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Message started by NitroX infinity on 02.03.05 at 09:51:14

Title: Napalm & Daytona
Post by NitroX infinity on 02.03.05 at 09:51:14
Seeing as I'm close to adding the V4 and V5 to my list and being totally confused by the V4 line of cards, I thought I'd open this thread to gain some clarity.

This is what I gathered so far but I'm sure I made mistakes (also missing some stuff). Any help on clarifying the Napalm & Daytona cards would be nice.

(Daytona cards are Voodoo 4-2's; being phase 2 of the VSA architecture)

3dfx Voodoo 4 4000 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 16MB SDR
3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR
3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI (Mac)
3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR
3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI/TV out
3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI/TV out
3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 64MB SDR
3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz ??MB SDR DVI
3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR L-Card

3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4000 VSA-101 AGP 166MHz 16MB SDR
3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4200 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz 16MB DDR
3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4200 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz 32MB DDR DVI
3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4200 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz 32MB DDR TV out
3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4800 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz 32MB DDR DVI//TV out

Powercolor EvilKing4 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR
Powercolor EvilKing4 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR
Powercolor EvilKing4 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR TV out
Powercolor EvilKing4 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR L-Card

Chance Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR

Meditech Crash Voodoo 4 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR

Evate Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR

Speed Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR

(Got the last three from http://www.3dfx.cz/voodoo4.htm)

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by Chosen_One on 02.03.05 at 13:13:24
i have a bios from a Voodoo4-2 4000.
in another thead you can find a dicussion about this card.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 02.03.05 at 13:15:20
here's the list the way I know it :)

3dfx Voodoo 4 4000 VSA-101 AGP 166MHz 16MB SDR Rev.A0 0900 ??
3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4200 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz 16MB DDR  Rev.A0 4100 RevA1 4600
3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4200 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz 32MB DDR DVI Rev.A0 3900

3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR Rev A 3000, 3300, 3500 & 3700

3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR Copper board with V56K Bios Rev.A2 3999 somewhere in week 39 year 1999 older than the whole Voodoo4 and 5 tape outs.

3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI Rev.A 3500 [PC]
3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI Rev.A 3700 (Mac)
3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR rev.A0 3300, 3500, 3700.
3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR L-Card Rev.A 3900
3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI/TV out Rev.A0 3900
3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 64MB SDR Rev.A0 3300 [modded by Dennis-F ;) ]


3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4800 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz 32MB DDR TV out Rev.A4 4600
3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 64MB SDR DVI/TV out Rev.A0 3900
3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR L-Card Rev.A1 4600
 
Powercolor EvilKing4 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR
Powercolor EvilKing4 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR
Powercolor EvilKing4 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR TV out
Powercolor EvilKing4 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR L-Card

Chance Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR

Meditech Crash Voodoo 4 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR

Evate Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz ??MB SDR

Speed Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz ??MB SDR

3dfx Voodoo5 5000 PCI Rev.A1 0900
3dfx Voodoo5 5000 AGP x4 Rev.A0 3300
3dfx Voodoo5 5000 AGP x4 Rev.A0 3700

3dfx Voodoo5 5500 AGP Rev.A1 4199 the Comdex 1999 card.
3dfx Voodoo5 5500 AGP Rev.A0 1400 AGP x2 prototype
3dfx Voodoo5 5500 AGP x4 Rev.A1 3300 no DVI
3dfx Voodoo5 5500 AGP x4 Rev.A2 3700 no DVI
3dfx Voodoo5 5500 AGP x4 Rev.A2 3300 + DVI


Intel Revision series.
3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP Rev.A1 4999-41 2x2 card with Intel Bridge chip. Comdex 1999 Prototype
3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP Rev.A0 0700
3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP Rev.A1 1500

Hint Series 1
3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP Rev.A2 2600 with 5,4 ns ram
3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP Rev.A2 2600
3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP Rev.A2 2700

Hint series 2
3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP Rev.A3 3400 with 5,4 ns Ram
3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP Rev.A3 3500
3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP Rev.A3 3700 with 5,4 ns Ram

Hint Series 3
3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP Rev.A 3600
3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP Rev.A 3700
3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP Rev.A 3900

This is really all that has been made, well all that has been made from the Napalm and Daytona chipped based cards.

If you want me to make you a listing on what's a Daytona and what's not, I'll be happy to coöperate ;)

Oh just to be sure of things the Comdex Voodoo4 4500 was no Voodoo4 but a Voodoo3 3500 with TV-Out orsay the CompaQ USA card ;)

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by gdonovan on 02.03.05 at 19:16:09
Note- Don't assume clock speeds on any of the prototypes unless the owner has actually reported it.

I have see clockspeeds all over the board for cards with an assumed 166 mhz default. I doubt most of the early cards have a clockspeed anywhere near production cards.

Off the top of my head I can think of a 4500 with 100 mhz clock and a 5500 with 143 mhz clock. The early VSA-100 where very poor at running at high speeds in SLI, 3dfx took a lot of flack for that.

One quote from someone at Nvidia was that VSA stood for "very slow architecture" since at the time 3dfx had 2 chip SLI running at 100 mhz.

Card below is dated 4499-

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by NitroX infinity on 03.03.05 at 09:23:13
The most problems I'm having is with the 4500 and 4800 cards.

The retail cards
There's no question about these cards, that's for sure.
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI (Mac)
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR

Prototypes
I know there are at least two cards with both a DVI and TV out connector, one is PCI and the other is AGP. But whether they are 4500's or 4800's is somewhat of an unknown factor to me (like their specifications). And one or two might even be Daytona's.
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4000 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz 16MB SDR
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI ??MHz ??MB SDR DVI/TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz ??MB SDR DVI/TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz 64MB SDR
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz ??MB SDR DVI

This one is being discussed in another topic, so we know this one is for real.
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz ??MB SDR L-Card

Daytona's
Not completely sure about the 4200's, they could be Napalm's.
Except for the 16MB 4200, that's the IBM card.
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4000 VSA-101 AGP 166MHz 16MB SDR
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4200 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz 16MB DDR DVI
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4200 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz 32MB DDR DVI
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4800 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz 32MB DDR TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4800 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz 32MB DDR DVI/TV out

Cards in blue are correct, might be missing some specs though ;D
Cards in Green are unsure.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 03.03.05 at 12:38:14
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4200 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz 32MB DDR TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4800 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz 32MB DDR DVI//TV out

you got those two mixxed up my friend

there is no AGP 4200 known. but there is a Voodoo4-2 4800 AGP with Tv-out aka Rolo01's card.
here the two Voodoo4-2 4200's and the Voodoo4-2 4800.

Voodoo4-2 4200 +DVI PCI 16MB DDR FalconFly's card.



Voodoo4-2 4200 +DVI PCI 32MB DDR FalconFly's card with DVI port still attatched to the card.



Voodoo4-2 4800 +TV-Out PCI 32MB DDR aka Rolo01's card, he told me once it runs at 143Mhz core/mem.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by NitroX infinity on 03.03.05 at 13:21:47
Okee, adjusted the colors and a name.
But I'm still in the dark on these cards:

- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4000 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz 16MB SDR
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4000 VSA-101 AGP 166MHz 16MB SDR

Is there only one 4000? And which one is it, the VSA-100 or VSA-101?


- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI ??MHz ??MB SDR DVI/TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz ??MB SDR DVI/TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4800 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz 32MB DDR DVI/TV out

I know there is a V4 PCI with a DVI and TV out and there's also at least one AGP version (see below). But I don't know if they are Napalm's or Daytona's and whether or not the numbering is correct.


- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz 64MB SDR
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz ??MB SDR DVI

And what about these two? Are they VSA-100 or VSA-101 cards?

Seem to be wrong about something here, could've sworn I've seen a V4 AGP with only DVI. Can't seem to find the image of it though.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by gdonovan on 03.03.05 at 15:34:04

wrote on 03.03.05 at 13:21:47:
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4000 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz 16MB SDR


I have only seen pictures of the one, unknown speed, chances are though if it is a first run card it will be 100 mhz or 143 mhz.

Don't forget the V4-4400 (143 mhz 4500)


Quote:
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz 64MB SDR
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz ??MB SDR DVI

And what about these two? Are they VSA-100 or VSA-101 cards?


It's a good question I brought up in another thread- The question is just what is a 4800? I don't think it's board options (TV vs non-TV) since 3dfx has not renumbered cards based on board options.

So that leaves clock speed and ram configuration. We do know 3dfx changes board names vs ram configuration (V5-5000 vs V5-5500) and they were considering selling a 64MB single VSA-100 board.

clock speed is a bit hazy, but the V5-6000 was suppose to ship at 183 mhz at one time and was still called 6000.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 03.03.05 at 15:51:22
hmm oke these are real:

3dfx Voodoo 4 4000 VSA-100 AGP 143MHz 16MB SDR


3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI/TV-out  TOP
3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI BOTTOM

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by gdonovan on 03.03.05 at 17:00:19

Quote:
3dfx Voodoo 4 4000 VSA-100 AGP 143MHz 16MB SDR


How do you know it runs at 143mhz?


Quote:
3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI/TV-out  
3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI


See post in hardware section regarding VSA card naming. How can one card be a 4800 and another be a 4500 if they both have the same clockspeeds, interface and ram configuration?

They can't unless the cards have the wrong bios which is looking to be more common then thought. Oscars "L-Card" is a perfect example since we know the L-cards are 4500's and my 64 MB card is another perfect example since the bios on the card can't even *see* the extra ram on board and only reports 32 MB.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 03.03.05 at 18:52:13

wrote on 03.03.05 at 17:00:19:
How do you know it runs at 143mhz?


See post in hardware section regarding VSA card naming. How can one card be a 4800 and another be a 4500 if they both have the same clockspeeds, interface and ram configuration?

They can't unless the cards have the wrong bios which is looking to be more common then thought. Oscars "L-Card" is a perfect example since we know the L-cards are 4500's and my 64 MB card is another perfect example since the bios on the card can't even *see* the extra ram on board and only reports 32 MB.

well Osckhar has that V4 4800 with TV-Out and DVI and it's known that that card is a V4 4800 the seller of that card showed a pic of it's prompt screen at the dutch 3dfx site I can show you a pjoto of it's prompt screen , here it is:

and here the card:



And I don't know why 3dfx would call the card Voodoo4 4800, but this is a V4 4800 PCI, it was on ebay also once. and these photo's are those photo's I saw at ebay that time.
And about that Voodoo4 4000 AGP with 16MB DSRAM a chech bloke has it and he said it runs 166Mhz not 143 sorry my fault there. I got this info from http://www.3dfx.cz/3dfx.htm  8)

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by gdonovan on 03.03.05 at 19:02:38

wrote on 03.03.05 at 18:52:13:
well Osckhar has that V4 4800 with TV-Out and DVI


Oscar has an L-card with a 4800 bios.


Quote:
and it's known that that card is a V4 4800 the seller of that card showed a pic of it's prompt screen at the dutch 3dfx site I can show you a pjoto of it's prompt screen


And it states it has 32 MB of ram so it is NOT a 4800.

The cards are flashed to different bios all the time, what the bios reads can't always be trusted and have point out several examples.

I'm in contact with the person who purchased the 64MB AGP card with TV and DVI like mine and guess what? It has the wrong bios since the bios that is on the card does NOT support TV out even though it is on the board.

I'm positive 3dfx did not name a single VSA-100 chip board "4800" based on clockspeed since if a board was rated for 183 mhz spec it would have 5.4/5.5 ns ram which none of these examples do.

So logic dicates a 4800 = Single VSA-100 board with 64 MB ram.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by omega_supreme on 03.03.05 at 19:06:54

Quote:
And about that Voodoo4 4000 AGP with 16MB DSRAM a chech bloke has it and he said it runs 166Mhz not 143 sorry my fault there.


Obi, I take it you have this information from 3dfx.cz? This guy is probably guessing too. I think there is really nothing known about this card , so I have to agree with Gary here. Unless we find the owner of it (no-X doesnt have it for as far as I know) it will always be a mystery. Although I know you all think its a VSA100 card, I still believe it is Daytona    

:-/

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 03.03.05 at 19:16:52
hm yeay as i said before I got the info from http://www.3dfx.cz aka the site from No-X  :-X

oh I didn't know that the bios was wrong I got the most info from opensource and people that own one. sorry about me interfearing at this point. The Jedi Order will take a pause at this point.

it's also hard for me to even read chech language :) oh well, don't worry 'bout my fuzziness sometimes I pannic ... sorry I had a bad time....

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by NitroX infinity on 03.03.05 at 21:50:11
Could you guys please use thumbnails? Not everyone has a high resolution. Thank you :)

Another try at this:

Blue = Confirmed
Purple = Confirmed, missing/uncertain specifications
Green = Uncertain, could or could not exist
* = see note about this card

Napalm:
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4000 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz 16MB SDR*

- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI/TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI (Mac)

- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR L-Card (Wrongly named as a V4 4800)
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI/TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 64MB SDR

* Card exists but which core it has is argued about.
I believe it has a VSA-100 core since it's on a photograph with VSA-100 only cards. See here.

Daytona:
- IBM Voodoo 4-2 4200 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz 16MB DDR DVI
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz ??MB DDR DVI
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz ??MB DDR TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz ??MB DDR DVI/TV out*

* Questioning this card's existence.
There are two Napalm versions (AGP/PCI) which have DVI & TV out.
Might have confused the AGP version for this one?

Unknown:
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4?00 VSA-100 PCI ??MHz ??MB SDR DVI/TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4?00 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz ??MB SDR DVI
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz ??MB DDR TV out*
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz ??MB DDR DVI*

* Thinking out loud; are there PCI TV out and AGP DVI Daytona's?

We're gettin' there, slow but steady ;D
small note: we're talking about 3dfx' Voodoo 4 and Daytona cards. V5 not included ;)

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 03.03.05 at 22:50:54
slow yeah  but maybe there is more , surely hope not like the Voodoo3 family also was kinda bigger than I thought.


maare dit is geen GoT ;) en als we duimpjes moeten gebruiken dan hoor ik dat geliever van een beheerder, niet zo gaan zeuren hierover. das niet echt aangenaam ;)

anyways I don't think thumbs is a must here, since my pics are 800 x 600 and not bigger ;)

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by omega_supreme on 03.03.05 at 23:56:31

Quote:
since my pics are 800 x 600 and not bigger


For as far as I'm concered...you can go all the way up to 2304x 1440  :D

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by osckhar on 04.03.05 at 00:53:46
I think that a V4 4XXX with TV&DVI must  have a name different to the conventional V4 4500.  Perhaps not like V4 4800 but if with other name, right?

About my 4500@4800 SHPED-L. I know other guy with the same card. The bios shows it like a V4 4800. Very WEIRD!


EDITED

Quote:
And I don't know why 3dfx would call the card Voodoo4 4800, but this is a V4 4800 PCI, it was on ebay also once. and these photo's are those photo's I saw at ebay that time.

Well, I am in contact with the guy owner of the V4 4800 sold on eBay. This card has a wrong bios. This card has 32Mb DVI&TV-OUT and the card boots like a V4 4800 and support to LCD but this bios has not support to TV-OUT. I have checked it with my card!

Regards,
Oscar

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by gdonovan on 04.03.05 at 02:10:58

wrote on 04.03.05 at 00:53:46:
I think that a V4 4XXX with TV&DVI must  have a name different to the conventional V4 4500.


The Mac card with DVI does not, it's still called a 4500 even though it is for a Mac and has DVI.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by NitroX infinity on 04.03.05 at 09:39:31
Yeah, in the US it might be called the same as the PCI version but here in Europe it's called the 'VoodooMAC 4500 PCI'.

I've updated the Napalm & Daytona list, see the last post on page 1.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by OutOfRange on 04.03.05 at 11:36:28
damned it looks like my daytona 4200 is death or has bad bios  :( tested it yesterday on soyo kt333 board.... system doesn't startup (no pic, no beep)  :-/  if i run the system with other graphic card the 4200 is detected as an unknown pci device... the only one idea i have is to flash the bios new ???

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by gdonovan on 04.03.05 at 14:00:24

wrote on 04.03.05 at 09:39:31:
Yeah, in the US it might be called the same as the PCI version but here in Europe it's called the 'VoodooMAC 4500 PCI'.


My point was it is still called a 4500.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by NitroX infinity on 04.03.05 at 14:45:55
Yeah, wasn't really awake yet, when I posted that ;D

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 04.03.05 at 22:54:29
it's called a Voodoo4 4500 PCI for Macintosh to be clear on USA model and here in the European Union it's called a VoodooMAC 4500 PCI but yes indeed it's the same card, only the boxes are alot different from each other ;) For the Cards, just some Voodoo4 4500 PCI's with a DVI and 32 megs of 166Mhz 6ns SDRAM and nothing else.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by gdonovan on 04.03.05 at 23:38:40
We were discussing PC 4500 vs Mac 4500.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by NitroX infinity on 05.03.05 at 00:36:59
To prevent this topic from going totally offtopic, I'll post the list again. Please, only discuss the cards which are purple and green. Thank you.

Blue = Confirmed
Purple = Confirmed, missing/uncertain specifications
Green = Uncertain, could or could not exist
* = see note about this card

Napalm:
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4000 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz 16MB SDR*

- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI/TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI (Mac)

- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR L-Card (Boots as; V4 4800)
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI/TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 64MB SDR

* Card exists but which core it has is argued about.
I believe it has a VSA-100 core since it's on a photograph with VSA-100 only cards. See here.

Daytona:
- IBM Voodoo 4-2 4200 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz 16MB DDR DVI
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz 32MB DDR DVI
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz 32MB DDR TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz 32MB DDR DVI/TV out*

* Questioning this card's existence.
There are two Napalm versions (AGP/PCI) which have DVI & TV out.
Might have confused the AGP version for this one?

Unknown:
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4?00 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz ??MB SDR DVI
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz ??MB DDR TV out*
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz ??MB DDR DVI*

* Thinking out loud; are there PCI TV out and AGP DVI Daytona's?

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 05.03.05 at 01:24:06
Voodoo4-2 4200 PCI 32MB VSA-101 core FalconFy has this card and yes it run's at 143Mhz, that is a fact.

they even tested that card at Hardwhere Tweaker.de once and even there they said it runs at 143Mhz, that it has a VSA-101 core and 32MB DDR 64.Bit. and yes it has a DVI.

If you don't believe me ask FalconFly himself ;)

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by gdonovan on 05.03.05 at 01:47:31

wrote on 05.03.05 at 00:36:59:
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz ??MB DDR DVI


The one I have is 32 MB DDR, and I think it has the wrong bios as it states it is a 4200.

I doubt both the 16MB and 32MB boards are called 4200 and one of the other board members has a 32MB board and it ID's as a 4800.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by gdonovan on 05.03.05 at 01:50:02

wrote on 05.03.05 at 01:24:06:
Voodoo4-2 4200 PCI 32MB VSA-101 core FalconFy has this card and yes it run's at 143Mhz, that is a fact.


If I remember right the 32 MB VSA-101 FF owns does not function and had damage to the DVI connector.

Hard to make a statment on what a card is clocked at if the darn thing doesn't run, FF can correct me if I'm wrong.

He owns a 16MB card that does function and yes the 16MB boards run at 143 mhz.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by FalconFly on 05.03.05 at 02:06:24
Since my Daytona with the damaged DVI looks pretty bad and doesn't even have a passive Cooler, I can't tell exactly (looks like a 32MB DDR Variant though)

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 05.03.05 at 02:33:00
then my question is, why did 3dfx put those names in the biosses at the first place, they didn't just put it the for the joke, cause that's kinda hard to believe even if they did do that..... :-/  wierd stuff my friends.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by gdonovan on 05.03.05 at 02:40:10
Please read-

http://www.falconfly-central.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=techtalk;action=display;num=1108061399


Quote:
See I stated unmodified because I have the suspicion that some of the prototype cards floating around have the wrong bios, or the wrongly labeled bios.

IE- They were using a bios that worked and changing the ID was the least of their concerns.  


You have to remember- The cards were trying to figure out the "correct" names were all prototypes. Final names to some degree is handled by the marketing types, the guys working on the boards in the labs are just trying to get them running somewhat stable and "naming" them would be a far concern for techs.

I do see the boards tagged with PCB numbers and bios files referenced by PCB number, I bet the lab guys referred to them that way too.  

Example- Hank how are you making out with the 0391 Napalm board?

(That would be a V5-6000 3700 to us laymen)

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by NitroX infinity on 05.03.05 at 10:22:30
So if we look at the memory, all Daytona cards (except IBM's) have 32MB, that would make them 4500's. Would the 64bit memorybus factor into that somehow? Perhaps make them 4400's?

Also, I'm pretty sure all 3dfx Daytona's have 32MB memory. How else are you gonna test 32bit rendering? :)

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by gdonovan on 05.03.05 at 13:46:00

wrote on 05.03.05 at 10:22:30:
So if we look at the memory, all Daytona cards (except IBM's) have 32MB, that would make them 4500's.


I don't think so- The IBM card is called something different then a 16MB VSA-100. 3dfx would not reuse a name due to confusion factor.

32MB of ram isn't required for 32 bit rendering.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by NitroX infinity on 05.03.05 at 14:13:33

wrote on 05.03.05 at 13:46:00:
32MB of ram isn't required for 32 bit rendering.

Mind telling me then, why the V3 can't render 32bit in 3D?

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by gdonovan on 05.03.05 at 14:40:51
It's a shortcoming of the design- just like Voodoo Graphics, Voodoo Rush, Voodoo II and Banshee can't render 3D in 32 bit either.

Voodoo 3 can't render 3D in 32 bit and can't access more then 16MB of ram. Even if it could access more then 16MB of ram it's overkill since the memory will never be used due to the limit of 16 bit 3D rendering and maximum screen resolution size.

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by NitroX infinity on 25.03.05 at 15:28:09
Seven (7) cards still go unconfirmed. Please help out here :)

Blue = Confirmed
Purple = Confirmed, missing/uncertain specifications
Green = Uncertain, could or could not exist
* = see note about this card

Napalm:
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4000 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz 16MB SDR*

- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI/TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 PCI 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI (Mac)

- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR L-Card (Boots as; V4 4800)
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 32MB SDR DVI/TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4800 VSA-100 AGP 166MHz 64MB SDR

* Card exists but which core it has is argued about.
I believe it has a VSA-100 core since it's on a photograph with VSA-100 only cards. See here.

Daytona:
- IBM Voodoo 4-2 4200 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz 16MB DDR DVI
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz 32MB DDR DVI
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz 32MB DDR TV out
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz 32MB DDR DVI/TV out*

* Questioning this card's existence.
There are two Napalm versions (AGP/PCI) which have DVI & TV out.
Might have confused the AGP version for this one?

Unknown:
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4?00 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz ??MB SDR DVI
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 PCI 143MHz ??MB DDR TV out*
- 3dfx Voodoo 4-2 4?00 VSA-101 AGP 143MHz ??MB DDR DVI*

* Thinking out loud; are there PCI TV out and AGP DVI Daytona's?

Title: Re: Napalm & Daytona
Post by gdonovan on 25.03.05 at 17:09:39

wrote on 25.03.05 at 15:28:09:
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4000 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz 16MB SDR*


Working on this, no luck yet.


Quote:
Unknown:
- 3dfx Voodoo 4 4?00 VSA-100 AGP ??MHz ??MB SDR DVI


3dfx documents mention a V4-4400 running at 143 mhz.

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