Hi,  ;D

System:
XP-M 3000+
A2 V6k
Amigamerlin 2.9
DX 9.0
512Mb
Win98SE

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8836256

Total: 4092 Points.  8)

Oscar

yeah baby that's the way to do it Keep ém com'n!!!

Congratulations Oscar ;)


in dutch:

Ziekelijk gestoorde score LOL ;D hahaha

CPU      AMD Duron(tm) Processor 2546 MHz
FSB      170 MHz Helse Pop!

in english:

Sicko wacko score!!

CPU      AMD Duron(tm) Processor 2546 MHz
FSB      170 MHz Helse dude! ;D haha


Whaaa Zuuuppp man this rocks.

Okay now back to normal mode hehe , you used a Rev.A2 2600 with 5.5ns SDRAM hmm interesting, did it run cores/ram 183Mhz ? or just 166Mhz Oscar?

Thanks Obi!  ;)

ps. Next stage 4100 Points!  :o

Oscar

@Obi,
I forgot, It works to 183MHz!  ;D

Oscar

do you think at 800 x 600 16bit you can reach 5000?

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do you think at 800 x 600 16bit you can reach 5000?

I don't know it, but I can try it! ;)

Well, at the moment the barrier of the 4100 points has been surpassed.  ;D

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8836319

Total: 4102 Points. No bad score!  8)

Oscar

Hay Oscar what about if you do the whole Benchmark , I'd like to see the fillrates of the Rev.A2 also , would you like to run one please?

Norries when my Rev.A 3700 arrieve I will run one for you as well ;) Actually you got a Rev.A2 2600 running at Rev.A3 3400 speeds , very nice.

Cheers,

Obi-Wan Kenobi

What motherboard are we running on Oscar?

@BFG3dfx
Sorry, I can not reach 5000 points, only 4297 points to 800x600 16Bits.  :'(  I will try it again.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8836327


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What motherboard are we running on Oscar?

Epox 8k5a2+ -Awersome motherboard!


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I'd like to see the fillrates of the Rev.A2 also , would you like to run one please?

Of course Obi, no problem!

Don't push it too far Oskchar! :o

Remember that "V5 6k roasted over an overheated heatsink" is NOT a good Christmas carol... ::) :P

LOL! ;D

yeah the 8K5A2+ is like the 8K3A+ the both have the same chipset and so on lol.

please take care Oscar I don't want to see your Rev.A2 2600 burn aways mate, take care allright ;)

wow...i thought tm30's record was unbeatable...
next target: 4200 points :P
ähm...iwellius says he has a v5 6000 which work with 200mhz....maybe this is the card which is needed to get this score ;)

well if .iwellius believe's that,  why can't he show us the true evidence!!!

Sory it's rather hard to believe since that 166Mhz the max stock speed is for a Voodoo5 6000 and 191Mhz is possible on some 5500 PCI Rev.A1 2900 models that has been proven, but 200 on a 6K naaahh I'm not so sure ::) ::) the fastest VSA_100 I've seen was on a Voodoo5 5500 PCI Rev.A1 2900 @ 191Mhz core/mem

the only thing that could give oscar more speed boost is true CPU power or see if his A2 2600 can do 191Mhz.

But please Oscar You don't have to do this I truely understand I wouldn't advise to go above 183Mhz if your card does 183 stable

Well, my card is running with a little O/C but only during the benchmark.
Bus AGP 66@68MHz
V6k core/mem 166@183MHz
FSB170 1:1

Anyway, I have tried it to 195MHz and the card works without problems, but I don't like it. I would not like to burn my baby.

Oscar

Be carefull with the AGP Bus. It's better not to clock it higher then it already is  ;)

there were also rumors of a 6K working @ 240Mhz core mem but sorry that's too hard to believe lol.

wrote on 24.12.05 at 15:36:53:

there were also rumors of a 6K working @ 240Mhz core mem but sorry that's too hard to believe lol.

Fastest I'm aware is a 200 mhz board that was done by Hank.

I would find a 240 mhz board doubtful to an extreme, SLI operation is very sensitive to chip speed and problematic.

I suppose that 200Mhz is very Unstable or not? since that the HiNT chip might crash or does that nothing to do with the speed of the board it's self?

Oh Gary I got some heads up my 6K will arrive next week Monday or Tuesday, it's at the Forign Post Office, it arrived there today :) Oh well there is progress ;)

well, seems i have to put back my 6k in  8)

well the advantage of the Rev.A2 2600 is that it has 5.5ns SDRAM the Rev.A 3700 only has 6ns SDRAM so the A2 will always be faster at that point of view.

But hay go ahead, But I wonn't join in haha don't wanna fry my Rev.A 3700 noway hozay haha  ;D

no no i will be careful...

but my XP-M is capable of 2700Mhz so what  8)

(and i my mind serves me right, my 6k can do 175mhz)

i think i can beat it... i am a good tweaker ;) ... we'll see

well I've seen lots of good tweakers fail also lol ::)

oh well May The Force Be With You All hehe I rather watch and enjoy the spectacle LOL haha ;D

wrote on 24.12.05 at 16:29:50:

well the advantage of the Rev.A2 2600 is that it has 5.5ns SDRAM the Rev.A 3700 only has 6ns SDRAM so the A2 will always be faster at that point of view.

Both cards have a default speed of 166 mhz, the ram speed rating makes no difference.

Only if the boards were operated at high clocks would the better rated ram come into play, but there is other issues keeping a V5-6000 stable at high speeds.

you should watercool your card ;D

wrote on 24.12.05 at 18:09:27:

you should watercool your card ;D

I don't think watercooling would do any good here. In this case you'll get better results with good copper heatsinks en lots of airflow.
(Not to mention you could run into other problems then overheating ::))

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well, seems i have to put back my 6k in

Yupe TM30, it is your turn!  ;D

ps. MERRY CHRISTMAS 3Dfx community!

Oscar

cpu is what makes the difference, so that is only area that needs to be addressed, by the way it would be interesting to see if either of you could beat that v4 4500 score since he was able to use a cpu that you cant, good luck guys merry xmass

wrote on 24.12.05 at 19:49:28:

cpu is what makes the difference, so that is only area that needs to be addressed, by the way it would be interesting to see if either of you could beat that v4 4500 score since he was able to use a cpu that you cant, good luck guys merry xmass

I was hoping to break that V4 4500 score one day. If that happens I'll post it  ;D

Well Thandor I'm sure you can do that, you could ask Balus-C for advice haha that's where the best Dutch Tweakers come from ;)

OMG my 1800th post allready, Holymoley! oh well this place keeps my mind buisy with other things good things that is.

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well if .iwellius believe's that,  why can't he show us the true evidence!!!

there is a very negative voice in this text! i cannot say that his card can do it but he wanted to sell a v5 6k with the possibility of 200mhz core/mem!

i guess the best hardware environment`for the 6000 is the best for all! you only have to change the card and get a good OC-able voodoo! simple and plain! only the 4500 can be used at higher systems than kt333...

that score was made with a 3700 64 im pretty sure, thats why it will be hard to beat, its the last amd cpu to have a mobo with agp x4,  i think the best bet for the v6k to take it is that adapter ps47 is posting about, maybe you can beat it though, its all cpu, crank it up and good luck.

The only way you would beat that score is with an AGP2PCI converter in a Dual OpteronDP 254 [ 2x 2.8Ghz] in a TYAN Thunder K8WE , you put the V6K wit AGP2PCI in a PCI-X 64Bit 66Mhz Slot, so it will get the full potential of the 66Mhz bus speed like AGP x2 and then you should get much better performance than those slower AThlon64 things lol.

osckhar, now its your turn  ;D

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8845068

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album38/V5_6000_WR_30_12_05.jpg

Heheh!

TM30 is back on top 8)

Come on Oscar >:(

woa that's like good :o

gamma, mercury project  is the next one. even if osckhar beats me now...

i promise.

I don't want to see any V6K's harmed trying to break the "New World Record"

Please keep that in mind when your putting your machines to the test

yeah gamma i only clock it so high for this one bench. and i use 3 very powerful fans to keep everything cool... and i have my left hand on the power off button ^^

hmm 177Mhz isn't high for a 6K though I've seen sicker speeds.

a Voodoo5 6000 @ 191 Mhz is the fastest I'v e ever heard of.
I suppose OCing a 6K is rather pointless, it could fry teh HiNT chip lol.

obi its not proven that high vsa100 clock kills the Hint brigde so please do not write this....

i see no sense in that! i rather would say that a high AGP clock may kill it.

and i also never said that my 177Mhz are sick or whatever  ::)

a higher AGP bus could fry the HiNT though...

I'm just want to warn you that is all, no offence, I don't wanna see another 6K get fried laddie ;) :)

Yoda Says:

Before purchasinging something we Jedi rather get informed to the max degree, then with all insurance we take our moves.

wrote on 31.12.05 at 00:17:23:

yeah gamma i only clock it so high for this one bench. and i use 3 very powerful fans to keep everything cool... and i have my left hand on the power off button ^^

Don't give away all of your secrets, the competition might be reading this post ::)

oh well we'll see what will happen hehe I wonder what OScar's next move will be  hehe he's always full of surprises hehe so is TM30 this is gonna be excition on one side

on the other side is to look at the poor 6K's that are in this pointless battle heh, it all depends on thier lives as well.

May The Force Be With Them then

The stakes are pretty high as the life of your most prized possession hangs in the balance. This adds to the excitement I suppose.

There are more collectors here with possible faster hardware.

Anyone else looking to add a little adrenaline rush to there life :-*

A couple of more contendors and this topic could really heat up ;D

Hmmmmmmmmm this could be fun  ;D . I'll have to go shopping.

congratz TM30!

lol...competition between hank and tm30 would be sick...
but if i'm gonna smell the smoke of a burned hint bridge i'll kick your ass ;) and then hank will repair it again (joke :D )

Hay Hank you didn't suppose drink too much lagar or Sparks hay hahaha  ;D ;D ;D lekker hoor

Well You know what!! I did think about it and this might be a very exciting challange :)  Boy boys please be carefull don't wanna see your gems go down the drains :-X

oh well I understand the tension ;)

Well TM30 I must say that's a HELS PELS REBELS Score you got there hahaha OMFG!!! what's next? the 4500 barrier  :o I mean then it would be faster in 3D mark than a GeForce2 Ultra  :o :o :o hahaha sjjjiiiiitttt ;D  ;D ;D

wrote on 31.12.05 at 13:40:55:

I mean then it would be faster in 3D mark than a GeForce2 Ultra  :o :o :o hahaha sjjjiiiiitttt ;D  ;D ;D

Well, try putting the GeForce 2 Ultra in the same system, too  ;)

3DMark2001 also calculates CPU power into the final score. The GeForce 2 Ultra will also perform better with faster hardware.

not in games though :-X you wouldn't see a GeForce2 Ultra hit 40 frames per sec in Doom3 @ 1024 x 768 x32  lol ;D

Nice score. Congratulations TM30! ;)

Oscar

will you try to beat it?

... and thanks ;)


against hank i think i would not have a chance. cause when he can get a 6K to work at lets say 200Mhz i have to pass him the victory^^ because this is impossible for me.

and i do not want to kill my card in a volt mod^^

wise move there TM30 :) the HiNT chip wouldn't accept that either I think hehe.

but the 4500 points barrier would only be possible with a card @ 183Mhz + ?

I thought there was a rev. card that was clocked @ 183 default ???

If so then it must have been possible. Right?

wrote on 02.01.06 at 18:11:11:

wise move there TM30 :) the HiNT chip wouldn't accept that either I think hehe. but the 4500 points barrier would only be possible with a card @ 183Mhz + ?

you also need a very powerful cpu... as you can see, my card is clocked at 177Mhz, oschkars at 185mhz but i get around 100points  plus because of the high cpu clock... so a high clocked voodoo isn't enough alone...

what CPU did you use an AthlonXP-M Barton 3000+ also? because that is the CPU Oscar used, still odd that a Rev.A 3700 with 6ns SDRAM clocked @ 177 Mhz beats a Rev.A2 2600 with 5.5 ns SDRAM which is clocked @ 185 Mhz isn't it :P

I suppose that the CPU's aren't powerfull enough to give the 6K it's max potential.

Maybe a Dual Opteron with a 66Mhz 64Bit PCI slot would be better for testing a 6K with a AGP2PCI converter, since  Dual Socket SMP boards have these slots, the 6K might have a better potential than running in AGP x2 66Mhz slots, since the bus speed is the same as 66Mhz 64Bit PCI , the Opteron's should give the card much more romm to fly at it's max speed.

in an AthlonXP system the Voodoo5 6000 is just waiting for the information to be passed on by the CPU, but the lagg comes from the CPU because the CPU is still buisy mak'n calcultions, the same idea can be created while putting a GeForce 6800GT AGP in an AthlonXP 2600+ for instance that CPU is too slow to give the full potential to the 6800GT. the same idea I mean with a Barton 3000+ CPU and Voodoo5 6000 AGP.

oh no! its very very cpu limitated... i do not think that the voodoo will gain more performance when using a stronger cpu... only the stronger cpu will give some more fps in certain game tests, not all... so its cpu limitated... you can see it when you compare my old result with 4080  points with the actual one...

Woohoooo! Looks like it's a nice 3DMark race started over here!

I'll join you soon, need to wait for V5-6K 3700A to come :) And I'll try to search for Socket A clip for one of my phase-change systems... With right CPU it is possible to go over 3 GHz which should be enough for at least 4500 points.


Obi-Wan
GF 2 Ultra/Ti can be pushed far over 5000 in 3DMark2001, so V5-6K is not a competitor here.

more than 3ghz??? and did you think about the FSB? with a 6k installed at the agp you cannot go up to 200mhz...

If the multiplier is unlocked that is not a problem.

wrote on 02.01.06 at 22:34:22:

Woohoooo! Looks like it's a nice 3DMark race started over here! I'll join you soon, need to wait for V5-6K 3700A to come :) And I'll try to search for Socket A clip for one of my phase-change systems... With right CPU it is possible to go over 3 GHz which should be enough for at least 4500 points.

thats not possible. max multi on that epox board is 15...and a FSB far over 177Mhz is not possible because of the high AGP clock whitch harms the Hint Bridge...

wrote on 02.01.06 at 22:51:00:

more than 3ghz??? and did you think about the FSB? with a 6k installed at the agp you cannot go up to 200mhz...

Higher multipliers  ;D

And about the higher scores with 3DMark2001 and faster CPU's --> Some CPU speed is being calculated 'into' the final score. When using a faster CPU you'll always get a higher score. Even if the graphics card won't go any higher anymore.
wrote on 02.01.06 at 23:13:05:

thats not possible. max multi on that epox board is 15...and a FSB far over 177Mhz is not possible because of the high AGP clock whitch harms the Hint Bridge...

What about using a pinmod or reconfigure the L-bridges on the CPU ?

yeah pinmod would be possible... but even crystalcpuid does not allow multi over 15...

wrote on 02.01.06 at 23:30:56:

yeah pinmod would be possible... but even crystalcpuid does not allow multi over 15...

Crystal CPUID is software, pinmod is directly on the hardware which has priority over software  ;)
The only problem is your BIOS which doesn't understand the high multiplier. It may end up with MP 6x or MP 24x.
And before I forget to mention, do not use MP 20,5x since the Thoroughbred B of similar 9 layer AMD Athlon XP's can't work with that multiplier.

But MP 20,5x is useless after all  ::)

okay... so i now already can say: congrats ALT-F13 to your new upcoming WR...

againgst phase change i do not have a chance with my air cooling...

wrote on 02.01.06 at 22:34:22:

Woohoooo! Looks like it's a nice 3DMark race started over here! I'll join you soon, need to wait for V5-6K 3700A to come :) And I'll try to search for Socket A clip for one of my phase-change systems... With right CPU it is possible to go over 3 GHz which should be enough for at least 4500 points. Obi-Wan GF 2 Ultra/Ti can be pushed far over 5000 in 3DMark2001, so V5-6K is not a competitor here.

Nope but in games where the card is built for it has better performance than a GeForce3 in many cases ....

For instance the Voodoo5 6000 crushes a GeForce 3 in Serious Sam The Second Encounter with ease, the Voodoo5 6000 also can keep up with a GeForce4 Ti4600 in Doom3 @ 1024 x 768 x 32 at a mixture of normal low settings so it depends on how the application reacts on the card it's self, so 3D mark is kind of pointless imho, okay it's not built for this game but it's mem bandwidth is the same as the Ti4600, the V6K has 4 Graphics chips to do the work and the Ti4600 has to do all the work with 1 chip so then it has to do more with less, where as the V6K the situation is just the other way around same bandwidth same speed.

in Descent3 the 6000 outperforms the GF2 U with ease but in 3D mark it's just the other way around so it's not a good way to test the card, but then again it's still impressife that it can score that high afterall it has no T&L Geometry chip ;)

I rather see the card in action in true glide based games like:

Tactical Ops ver 3.4.0
Unreal ver 2.26
Unreal Tournament Game Of The Year Edition 1999 ver 4.36
Clive Baker's Undying
Half-Life Oppsing Force
Blood II
Star-Wars Episode I: Racer
Turok II
Conflict/Descent: FreeSpace 1&2

things like that thing with Glide where the card can get it's full potential not with some silly 3D mark thing, that program does not even support Glide lol.

That 3D mark was written for T&L based chips so it's not the right thing to use for 3dfx counterparts, it will always be seen as a very wrong way to test your cards because in the games where the 3dfx cards ARE supported they perform much better, sorry but this IS the way I see this, I can't change my mind on that either.

I've got my XFX GeForce 6800GT AGP Dual DVI 256MB GDDR3 1.8ns [NV40GT] and ATi M18 Mobillity Radeon 9800 256MB DDRII 2.5 [R420M] ns for 3D Mark and my Voodoo's for Glide :)

wrote on 02.01.06 at 22:34:22:

Woohoooo! Looks like it's a nice 3DMark race started over here! I'll join you soon, need to wait for V5-6K 3700A to come :) And I'll try to search for Socket A clip for one of my phase-change systems... With right CPU it is possible to go over 3 GHz which should be enough for at least 4500 points.

AthlonXP 3200+ with 333Mhz in a EPoX EP-8K3A


I am hopeful that ALT-F13 will attempt this for us ;D

If anyone can do it, He can 8)


wrote on 23.11.05 at 15:55:08:

rather odd that I have seen them on sale as true 3200+ 333MHZ FSB CPU's in France.... anyways if HP made them they still would be seen as AthlonXP 3200+ with 333Mhz FSB right :) I wonder if they would work in the EPoX EP-8K3A

what is the highest possible multiplier?

btw: keep the WR in germany!!!

Go Ukraine!!!

It's time for a drastic change, show them the true nature of the Force ALT-F13 !!! you can do it Comrad!
Dvigay Tjelom!

wrote on 03.01.06 at 02:08:57:

btw: keep the WR in germany!!!

LOL!

I think Globally when it comes to 3dfx.. No boundaries, No borders ;) Just good friends ;D

Together, we all win 8)

@ Gamma742 you got a point there we are one team but sometimes it's also nice to see somebody else get a higher score right ;)

I'm quite sure ALT-F13 is capable of do'n anything crazy hehe I have seen his experiments, they are rather insane hehe

Dvigay Tjelom Comrad!

I know, My money is on him. He won't be frightened away when Hank steps into the ring :o

hehe it depends on what Hank's system layout will be hehe but ALT-F13 is hard to beat he is admin of Russia's and Ukraine's largest OC forum and Overclockers magazine hehe but a challenge is always welcome ofcourse hehe.

ALT-F13 is well known of some world records in extreme Overclocking , he shouldn't be under estimated hehe

But I dunno if Hank is has a well known rep in Overclocking, I do know he has the abillity to heal our V6K's when that call comes he will always be a Master Of The Force in that ;)

and I'll just be a Jedi Master watching the show that's more fun ;D

<sub>Off Topic:

I wonder what Thandor has in that red and white egg hmm</sub>

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I wonder what Thandor has in that red and white egg hmm

Been wondering myself. Guess we'll have to wait an see ::)

Who will be the V6K PWNerer :)

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/3dfx-Interactive-Voodoo5-6000-AGP-128MB-Rev-A-3700-3dfx-Voodoo-Volts-Rev-A-0030/DSC00896.sized.jpg

wrote on 03.01.06 at 02:08:57:

what is the highest possible multiplier? btw: keep the WR in germany!!!

sorry but as i said, against a phase change cooling i do not have a chance.

give me a phase change cooling and we will see^^

this test is all cpu after a point but where does that point start for a 4500, 5500 and a 6000, in different places for sure, it seems a 6k card with  2600mhz or higher cpu needs a fsb up closer to 200 or higher[like tm30], i like the barton for this as the early chips were unlocked and they had 512 cache, cpu maufacuters found that as the speed incressed the performance wasnt keeping pace, it was all tied to the fsb, so if i was gonna attempt this and by looking at others results i'd try a little fsb to get over hump, after all this is a test of not a video card or a cpu but of a system, so its the point of having the fastest 3dfx system, be it a 4500 or a 6000. good luck to you all  :)

_{And soon 3dfx will be hatching out ooh man I can't wait hehe sorry I was dream'n there lol.  ;D}

Wooot, another 2 pages  in topic :o

Well, I didn't think about high FSB problems with KT333... My last experience with Socket A was almost three years ago (before I switched to P4+875P platform), and for VIA chipsets it's almost four years (with EPoX 8KHA+ as my last mobo on these chipsets), so I'll need to recover some knowledge from backup :)))

Regarding the statement "And about the higher scores with 3DMark2001 and faster CPU's --> Some CPU speed is being calculated 'into' the final score. When using a faster CPU you'll always get a higher score. Even if the graphics card won't go any higher anymore"

That's not exactly true. 3DMark2001 don't _calculate_ CPU power into final score. Score is counted as following:

(CL+DL+LL)*10+(CH+DH+LH+N)*20=SCORE

C = Car Chase
D = Dragothic
L = Lobby
N = Nature

L = Low detail
H = High detail

But some tests gladfully react on CPU power. That's most true to Car Chase Hi, which is almost CPU test, but also for Car Lo... Also, both Lobbys are xtremely sensitive to memory bandwidth, I even use Lobby Hi as a test for memory sticks :) Dragos looks like to be complex tests and Nature is strictly GFX-sensitive.

That's make 3DMark 2001 (not 03 or 05!) an excellent SYSTEM test and the best proving ground for benchmarkers - to get a decent score you should create a system without any weak points. CPU power, FSB speed, memory timings and of course graphics power - everything make the difference. Of course, with GPU of the past (i.e. GF2 or VSA-100) there isn't so big difference between aircooled or phase-change cooled modern CPU just because videocard will be a bottleneck, but still it will help to get one or two hundreds more points...

Aaaahhh.... Good ol' days with overnight 3DMark01 benching sessions looks like to return for me soon :))) And for the first time with 3dfx hardware!
Usually I get myself to Futuremark absolute TOP-10 with each new hi-end card since Radeon 9800 Pro but last time I seriously benched this summer (FX-57 + 7800GTX SLI)... In addition, I still own world records for FX5900XT (27800 points), PCX5750 (20002), PCX5900 (22200) and few other older cards :) So to add 3dfx WR will be an honor to me :)

wrote on 03.01.06 at 16:51:28:

I still own world records for FX5900XT (27800 points), PCX5750 (20002), PCX5900 (22200) and few other older cards :) So to add 3dfx WR will be an honor to me :)

Actually I did have a vision of you doing that this morning ALT-F13 so why not :)

what method are you gonna use, Liquid Nitrogen?

It thrills me just to know that you're accepting the challenge and will be stepping into the ring soon ;)

me in an OC ring nahhh, We Jedi Have much more important things to do, We Jedi do admire things like this it is interesting how people dare to go very far without popping thier precious cargo hehe

Oh well I'll keep it to Space combat for this time I'm needed in Hanger Bay my B-Wing is prepared, there are 3 Victory Class II Star Destroyers in the system, time to take them out, cheers,

Obi-Wan Kenobi.

wrote on 03.01.06 at 02:15:32:

LOL! I think Globally when it comes to 3dfx.. No boundaries, No borders ;) Just good friends ;D Together, we all win 8)

of course...but what will you do when your football team is going to win the superbowl? ok ok...its not the same but its nice to see that a german tweaker is on top...
if alt-f13 get the highest score it is also cool to see what is possible to get with 3dfx card...

wrote on 03.01.06 at 16:51:28:

Wooot, another 2 pages  in topic :o Well, I didn't think about high FSB problems with KT333...

i think you do not have enough experience with a voodoo 5 6000...

AGAIN: higher FSB of a KT333 board is not the problem ( i benched my V5 5500 at 195Mhz FSB) BUT the hint bridge of the 6000 has a problem with the raised AGP clock so it is IMPOSSIBLE of scoring with high FSB... i tried 190Mhz and it gave me bad image corruptions with the 6000 (5500 was fine!)

well If he can make world records with experimental equipment he surely knows how to handle a 6K in a situation like this, maybe he informed himself alot better before buying which I did do also D'oh  ::)

He is Russia's and Unkraine's most well known Hardware expert lol

wrote on 03.01.06 at 21:14:17:

of course...but what will you do when your football team is going to win the superbowl? ok ok...its not the same but its nice to see that a german tweaker is on top... if alt-f13 get the highest score it is also cool to see what is possible to get with 3dfx card...

I suppose I should be a team player and be on Hank's side.

I just feel that no matter who has the highest score, we all win. I'll be PI$$ED if someone outside of FalconFly takes it away >:(

maybe it would be best to end topics like this I'm sense them mostly in to no good anyways, the whole 3D Mark thing is a pointless discussion.

@ Thandor I didn't say he was a proffesional V6K OC'er, i just  meant by saying you don't have to be one by having one there are enough sources around that tell the truth, anyways it's still a pointless thing to chatter about.

it would be best to leave this topic aside.

wrote on 03.01.06 at 21:41:14:

maybe he informed himself alot better before buying

what do you mean? probably that I do not inform myself when i buy things... or i inform myself not as good as ALT-F13? C'mon! this is really stupid. I am an overclocker since i got my P133...

I can read out that you DISLIKE THAT I AM THE ACTUAL W/R HOLDER. now you can say what you want but it sounds like this. i think other people might think that too... so F**k off!  >:(

wrote on 03.01.06 at 23:28:52:

I am an overclocker since i got my P133...

My first overclock was my Dell Dimension XPS 120. I bought it brand new in December of 1994 (I think) I had the option of DOS 6.22/Windows 3.11 or Win95. I choose Win95 It was a Pentium 120, the 133MHz was the fastest at the time and another 300$ so I got the 120.

I found that there were jumper options on the HX motherboard that allow for the 133 processor and moved the jumpers and rebooted and everything including the BIOS detected my machine as a P-133

At the time this was very exciting to me as I not only save 300$ but was entering the world of overclocking :)

This was also the machine that I later added a Diamond Monster card to. My first Voodoo experience GLQuake Descent2 and NFSIISE 8)

Everyone take a deep breath and move away from the keyboards.

As Duke Nukem would say "AHhhh, Much Better"

@TM30
A lot of people can threaten to take away your title, but talking about it and actually doing it are to different things. I wouldn't sweat it if I were you. Your the King and as the King there is always some young Buck looking to challenge you.

You and Oscar both know how difficult a task this is. I have the utmost respect for both of you. You guy can just sit back and smell the sweet aroma of success while these challengers smell the scent of electrical components burning.

After the smoke clears and a few burned up V6Ks, You will remain Victorious ;)

i do not feel like a king, i do not want to be a king. but i do not like the way obi writes in this topic. it has ... hmm lets say a bad touch... do you understand what i mean... look at my quote, when he writes "maybe he informed himself alot better before buying" ... this was directly referring to me. At least i understood it in this way because he made his post directly after mine...

and hell no, i won't harm my 6K... i am not crazy... enough is enough, let Alt-F13 do the job. if he blows it, i think he doesnt care. (like most users in xtremesystems.org)

wrote on 03.01.06 at 23:28:52:

what do you mean? probably that I do not inform myself when i buy things... or i inform myself not as good as ALT-F13? C'mon! this is really stupid. I am an overclocker since i got my P133... I can read out that you DISLIKE THAT I AM THE ACTUAL W/R HOLDER. now you can say what you want but it sounds like this. i think other people might think that too... so F**k off!  >:(

Come back to your senses!! Think, let go of your hatred!

Remember Fear leads to anger, Anger leads to hatred and Hatred leads to suffering.

Do I have to lock this thread?

Both you guys take a breather, I think a lot has been taken out of context.

I think sometimes people are misunderstood here because we are from different parts of the world and often use different languages. I speak only English and not very well I might add (product of public education St. Clair County School District 187 Illinois U.S.A.).

On more than one occasion something I had said (meaning no disrespect) was misinterpreted as something other than what I meant. It was actually a poor choice of word on my part. I was totally to blame for the misunderstanding. When I realized that it was taken the wrong way I quickly PMed the person and explained that I had misspoke and needed to clarify what I meant to communicate in my last post.

Believe it or not, this went a long way in building trust and friendship with this person that I had the misunderstanding with. It can be difficult to have clarity all the time when so many of us speak different languages. Once at another forum I guy said something to me and when I asked for clarity he posted the next day "I don't know what I was drinking last night but I was try to say was _______________________." Well at that point all was forgiven as I was rotflmao. Hey, I took it as "sorry I didn't mean what I said to you yesterday." We became friends and I do think he was drunk at the time. But that was another forum, here we don't let friends drink and post here <joke>.

I am hopeful that any misunderstanding from this post will get work out. I honestly don't want to see this thread get locked. If there was something that I said that someone feels that it was a personal attack on them or another member, please PM me and let me know. I will be the first to apologize. It is never my intent to sow strife here. I consider this place my home, and enjoy the time that I spend here. I would like to think that everyone feels this way, that this place is a place where they can come to for enjoyment and learning in regards to 3dfx.

It wasn't my intention to upset people here at all :-/

Maybe my meaning of the entire thing turned out alot different in other's minds, that is something I can't change for them and really I am very sorry that I have my own meanings of things, I probably see things alot different.  

OCer or not that is not my concern.

Maybe I will be off line for the comming few days, that would be best for all of us.

Sorry to tell you this but The Force leads me elsewhere.

ok im a proud owner V6k well 2 at 1 time but a had a little accident :/  anyways what is the best game you ever got to play on a voodoo card??  me I can play Battlefield 1942 set at medium high. it plays without a flaw even when flying.

[glb]That's not exactly true. 3DMark2001 don't _calculate_ CPU power into final score[/glb]

opps, yes it does, every fps score is efected by cpu by the fact you get more fps with a faster cpu and thats pure cpu power, i think if you look close you will see that 2001 is a system test, but you can have it check your score against same cpu, OS, or even video card but its not a video card only test.........

wow....what's going on here? do not let this topic be a basis for new anger! like gamma742 said...we all live in different countries with different education-levels in this language...missunderstanding caused by this cannot be excluded! maybe you have to read your post one more time before clicking the 'Post'-buttom! i had the same problem in this forum...more than one time ;)

on topic ;)
@all overclockers & collectors: iwellius is selling his 200mhz v5 6000 for 900 euro (about 1065 US$) w/o shippping costs! and if you have enogh money you can buy his AGP2PCI adapter! but its not included in the 900 euro package!

come to VA and take a look in the 'Verkauf'-forum...

wrote on 04.01.06 at 13:48:42:

@all overclockers & collectors: iwellius is selling his 200mhz v5 6000 for 900 euro (about 1065 US$) w/o shippping costs! and if you have enogh money you can buy his AGP2PCI adapter! but its not included in the 900 euro package! come to VA and take a look in the 'Verkauf'-forum...

I can't post over there  ??? Well I can in the 3dfx section but not in the marketplace. It tells me to log in. I tried to register but during the registration process I am ask to type in the numbers shown but instead of a pic with numbers it's the famous white box with a little red x in the corner (you know the one).

That could be the card I need to enter the W/R contest.

I'm losing some info with the translator, How much for the card + the AGP2PCI adaptor?

you cannot register @VA?
gary/obiwan did it already...so it is possible ;)

@TM30,
is your turn!  8)

V6k A2 = 4266 Points
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8946673

Oscar

Holy Crap!!! :o :o :o Now That is Amazing ;D , what speed did it run Oscar, cores/mem 198Mhz  or 200Mhz ? Just a clear guess there mate  :-X 8)

Now it is much better!!!  ;D

V6k A2 - 4311Points
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8946712

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/d/12867-1/4311+Puntos.jpg

@Obi,
Core/Mem 195MHz

Oscar

Sjoooooooooooooooooo Hels hoor what else happened?

new CPU and Mobo? or better ram? hehe well you're rock'n great Oscar :) good to see everything is go'n okay :)

OMFG!!!
i guess tm30 won't stress his 6000 to 195mhz...and IMO it is not worth to OC to this level...

@ockhar: heavy metal....your next target? 4500 points...or maybe a dead 6000 ;) only a little joke.....

congrats! ;) (in other words, damn it... lol)

too bad its not cold outside anymore... remember my voodoo 3 running at 233Mhz...  ;D

but i will try to beat it anyway. Not today, not tomorrow... but this weekend i think.

@TM30,
Yeah... I want to see you in action the next weekend! ;) 'Good Luck'
Anyway, I thik that I can reach 4400Pints! :D

Oscar

How much was your AGP frequency?

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How much was your AGP frequency?

It was 68MHz - AGP.

Oscar

just be carefull you don't Fry that HiNT chip Oscar, good lord :-X

Here I came back again.

New World Record
V6k 3700_A @195MHz - 4413 Points

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3162/v6krecordni3.jpg

pd. At the moment 5000 Points is not possible! :(

Oscar

I'm wondering what a Sempron 3000+ can do for the score (overclocked offcourse).

Uses less power than an AthlonXP and has more cache than a Duron.

For the unknowing people; Sempron's do exist for socket A.

wrote on 26.02.07 at 12:00:20:

I'm wondering what a Sempron 3000+ can do for the score (overclocked offcourse). Uses less power than an AthlonXP and has more cache than a Duron. For the unknowing people; Sempron's do exist for socket A.

Sempron is not compatible with the kt333 chipset, right?

Oscar

As far as I know you only need a BIOS update to make it work; a Sempron for socket A uses the Barton core.

osckhar, are you using an AMD Duron? (I know, the picture says Duron but Futuremark is not able to recognise all the CPU's correctly.)
AMD Duron CPU's are not good performers with 3DMark2001. You'd better switch to an AMD Athlon XP Mobile or an AMD Sempron. The Socket A AMD Sempron's use the same technology as the AMD Athlon XP CPU (Just like the AMD Duron core is the same as an AMD Athlon XP Thoroughbred)

The fastest socket A AMD Sempron (the 3000+) uses a Barton core. The slower versions have Thorthon or Thoroughbred cores. Remember that an AMD Athlon XP 2800+ is faster than an AMD Sempron 3000+.

At last but not least: There are some reports of AMD Sempron CPU's not working in socket A motherboards. Even when the board does support Barton CPU's.

wrote on 26.02.07 at 13:26:11:

osckhar, are you using an AMD Duron? (I know, the picture says Duron but Futuremark is not able to recognise all the CPU's correctly.) AMD Duron CPU's are not good performers with 3DMark2001. You'd better switch to an AMD Athlon XP Mobile or an AMD Sempron. The Socket A AMD Sempron's use the same technology as the AMD Athlon XP CPU (Just like the AMD Duron core is the same as an AMD Athlon XP Thoroughbred) The fastest socket A AMD Sempron (the 3000+) uses a Barton core. The slower versions have Thorthon or Thoroughbred cores. Remember that an AMD Athlon XP 2800+ is faster than an AMD Sempron 3000+. At last but not least: There are some reports of AMD Sempron CPU's not working in socket A motherboards. Even when the board does support Barton CPU's.

Hello,
I am using a XP-Mobile 2800+m but I don't know if that extra L2 cahce will help on 3DMark2001SE.

Oscar

wrote on 26.02.07 at 13:30:10:

Hello, I am using a XP-Mobile 2800+m but I don't know if that extra L2 cahce will help on 3DMark2001SE. Oscar

I don't know what the effects of the extra 256KB L2 are on 3DMark2001. In 99,9% of the cases more L2 is better ;D
Besides the AMD Athlon XP Mobile 2800+ is usually a good overclocker. Since you run 3GHz+ you have a good overclocker. (And maybe your CPU can run faster but your old motherboard can't handle it.)

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Besides the AMD Athlon XP Mobile 2800+ is usually a good overclocker. Since you run 3GHz+ you have a good overclocker. (And maybe your CPU can run faster but your old motherboard can't handle it.)

Yes, it can go to 3.2-3.3GHz but as you say the problem is in my old motherboard.

Oscar

Don't push it too far guys! :o

Remember, once you over-do it - the card will be toast! :'(

Very nice score Osckar !
Think i will push mine also a little bit to the limit !
;D

Hmm...

Where is TM30?

It's still winter time he might be able to challenge that when the next cold front comes through ;D

i am here but i won't take the challenge because i do not want to destroy my 6000. ::)

wrote on 27.02.07 at 12:16:50:

i am here but i won't take the challenge because i do not want to destroy my 6000. ::)

good point, since the HiNT's safe zone is 66 mhz bus and not higher, beyound that it's use at own risk, which only can get more dangerous, oh well I suppose rich people don't mid that factor heh ::)

Smart move TM30 8)

I do not want that this is misunderstood by osckhar.

I have respect in his doing but my card will never reach 195Mhz so its useless, even if i can manage lets say 3,3Ghz (with LN2 or whatever...). So trying it is useless and its too risky for my 6000.

As Jedi Master Yoda would say it:

"Try? Try not, it's do or do not there is no try, to try is to fail " 8)

Anyways it's quite a nice achievement that Oscar got it that high, but you would need to be so high in the head also to proceed such a wacko idea ;)  ;D ;D ;D

Nice one Ossie ;)

If you set the v6k of 175MHz to 195MHz it wins between 100-125Points extra on 3DMark2001SE. I tried running to 3.2GHz FSB 166 with the V6k to 195MHz, but that extra CPU does not help...
TM30, if you want try once more. Try with your V6k to 175MHz, but with FSB to 179 and multiplier x19 @3401MHz. This is the best settings possible @. I don't know if a XP-Mobile will be stable to that speed for runing a 3DMark2001SE. My best mobile just is stable for a CPU-Z validation to 3311MHz.

ps. Is very important for getting extra points the timming from the memory. ;)

Oscar

do you have phase change cooling or just water cooling?

wrote on 28.02.07 at 18:44:30:

do you have phase change cooling or just water cooling?

Yes, I have a Single Stage.

Oscar

hey Oscar got some nice pics of your test setup?

it would be interesting to know how far you can clock a voodoo banshee with a phase change cooling attached to it. Remember Banshee is the only 3dfx card with seperate Core/RAM-clocks... so the RAM won't be any bottleneck...

i also have a Vapochill cooling unit here but i have no skill for building a mounting kit for graphics cards... i only have a socket A Kit... (fits on Socket 370 and 7 also)... maybe i will ask my father for building a kit...

I think there would be more potential in upgrading a Banshee's RAM to faster RAM than using absurd cooling methods to get a few extra MHz's out of the core.

heh the problem with the Banshee's max memory support, it's that it has the same max amount of an Avenger based card, the Voodoo Banshee can only take a max of 16MB SDRAM as 16MB SGRAM.

but yes to make usage of 4.5 a 5ns SDRAM/SGRAM then a Banshee could make a nice profit out of it, but faster ram timings don't tell everything, since there were many Voodoo4 as 5 cards with 5ns SDRA< and their ram didn't OC higher than 177 or 191 Mhz, the ram doesn't tell all the up's you also gotta hope that your core as ram revisions are ones of the best quallity, only then you may succeed.

wrote on 28.02.07 at 23:35:29:

it would be interesting to know how far you can clock a voodoo banshee with a phase change cooling attached to it. Remember Banshee is the only 3dfx card with seperate Core/RAM-clocks... so the RAM won't be any bottleneck... i also have a Vapochill cooling unit here but i have no skill for building a mounting kit for graphics cards... i only have a socket A Kit... (fits on Socket 370 and 7 also)... maybe i will ask my father for building a kit...

Yupe, but I think we would need a Vmod for the banshee card. I will check my kit mounting and I will see if it can be fits on the banshee. Perhaps we could reach 200-250MHz Core.

With your Vapochill. What O/C you get using a XP-Mobile?

Oscar
Oscar

wrote on 01.03.07 at 13:20:50:

3.5 Ghz maybe 4Ghz depends how cold you can get it and how stable it will opperate :) heh @ -75 degrees C you should be fine :) Just use Liquid Nitrogen Oscar :)

4GHz? You wish  ::) :P.

If I'm not mistaken the highest clocked AMD Athlon XP was an AMD Athlon XP 'Barton' (3000+?) @ 3,6GHz (probably not stable :P) using LN2. That is _real_ impressive and doesn't depend on only cooling solutions but on quality of the chip and motherboard too :). After all it's still 130nm technology so reaching 4GHz is probably more difficult then getting an 3dfx Rampage :P.

wrote on 01.03.07 at 12:18:44:

With your Vapochill. What O/C you get using a XP-Mobile?

i didnt test it yet. but i think it will be crappy, because its one of the first vapochills and reaches without any cpu attached only -20°C :(

---------

BTW today i got a Trust Voodoo Banshee PCI (manufactured by Skywell i think) which has 7ns RAM made y EliteMT. thats quite good RAM for Banshee i guess? I saw on gary page, that he onwn a Q3D Raven which also has 7ns and he also says that is quite unsual for a Banshee card...

This card also has the new 3dfx Logo on the Chip.... whohoo the second banshee i own with this new logo... This is probably one of the latest banshee chips made... chip mfg. date 9934, RAM mfg. date 9935, PCB mfg. date 9908.

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/d/18343-1/Trust_Voodoo_Banshee.jpg

wrote on 01.03.07 at 18:44:23:

I saw on gary page, that he onwn a Q3D Raven which also has 7ns and he also says that is quite unsual for a Banshee card...

This is truly rare. I own about 25 different Banshees, they all have 8 or 10 ns SD- or SG-RAM attached. I also never saw 7ns on a banshee based card "life" ;D ..

hehe so this card screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeems for vmod and vapochill http://ugly.plzdiekthxbye.net/small/s207.gif

just joking. but i will attach a big heatsink and will see how far i can push that baby. maybe because that this core is made so late it can overclock better? but i am interested in memory overclocking... i saw some gigabyte banshee at 133mhz but not higher but this RAM is rated for 143mhz... we'll see...

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i didnt test it yet. but i think it will be crappy, because its one of the first vapochills and reaches without any cpu attached only -20°C

I think you will need more power on that Vapo. My Single Stage works to -55º.

ps. Nice card. :)

Oscar

It's good to see this thread thriving again :)

wrote on 02.03.07 at 04:53:28:

It's good to see this thread thriving again :)

Yes, but judging from this point to where this all leads - we are going to have some fried 6k-s over here in a matter of weeks  8) I hope you guys know what you're doing... I am all for overclock, but 6k is 6k. I wish you luck!

@elfuego is correct, you guys should stop while you have the chance! :-/

If you FRY one of your V5 6K, you can't replace it! :o

Don't say we didn't warn you! ::)

Well nice results!
but 3dmark2001se is based to test whole system so CPU is one of the main particle of the test result.
Like this 9800pro should get 15k-20k but with this duron I only get 11k and the whole system is on its limits. so 3dmarkse isn't good graphic card only benching software in my opinion

Isn't someone interested in putting 256MB on a V6K?

I know it's risky, but there is more reward in the end.

If you smoke a V6K overclocking. Some here will say "I told you so..."  :P

Hmm.. you guys always ask from nVidia if they could make couple more Voodoo 6ks with 256MB memory ;)

New World Record.

I got an AGP2PCI adapter and with the new driver from Koolsmoky I tried my Intel system with a Core2duo and the V6k. Here goes some test: Passed the 5000 points wall. 8)

Intel Core2Duo 6600
Change-AGP2PCI
Voodoo5-6000 3700A AGP @195MHz
3DMark2001SE
WinXP SP2
Koolsmoky Beta

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2603/v6k5030pointsjd6.jpg

Compare URL » http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9240496

ps. Pity about PCI to PCI BRIDGE limitation. It does not support 66MHz bus. I tried the AGP2PCI on PCI-X slot but it works to 33MHz. With V6k + AGP2PCI + PCI 66MHz. The card could reach 6000points... :)

Oscar

Nice work Oscar 8)

Wasn't someone looking into getting us some of these adaptors?

could you test the system with a 5500?

wrote on 10.08.07 at 13:43:50:

could you test the system with a 5500?

Yes, 3700Points with V5 AGP Board.

Oscar

Nice score Oskar !

The next target now is 6000 Points !  ;D
Perhaps a system memory increasing to 2Gb and a CPU Overclocking ( i think that you already did this ...) will bring more points !
Can u try to do this ?

wrote on 18.08.07 at 08:52:54:

Nice score Oskar ! The next target now is 6000 Points !  ;D Perhaps a system memory increasing to 2Gb and a CPU Overclocking ( i think that you already did this ...) will bring more points ! Can u try to do this ?

only u need is OC the CPU because CPU plays a big role on that test. 3dmark2k1 is more like system benchmarking soft than other 3dmark softs which are based more on graphic card

wrote on 18.08.07 at 08:52:54:

Nice score Oskar ! The next target now is 6000 Points !  ;D Perhaps a system memory increasing to 2Gb and a CPU Overclocking ( i think that you already did this ...) will bring more points ! Can u try to do this ?

Radu,
It does not help. I think VSA-100 is not very scalable with the increase in CPU.
e6600@3.3GHz
FSB 410
2Gb 4-3-3-10-13

Oscar

Then the only solution remain a quad core cpu  ;D
Did u also try to increase the PCI frecvency over the 66 MHz ?
I think it's too dangerous.
::)