After some time I have seen shots of Descent3 on GeForce 6800ULTRA with FSAA x4 AF x16 @ 1280 x 1024:
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1359/screenshot0046nx.th.jpg

and compared to the 1600 x 1200 x 16 in Glide no AA shot from the Voodoo5 6000 still has the clearer image does it not?
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/3dfx-Interactive-Voodoo5-6000-AGP-128MB-Rev-A-3700-3dfx-Voodoo-Volts-Rev-A-0030/Descent3_1_5_Beta_on_V6K_Outside.thumb.jpg

To me the 3dfx card wins the image quallity look at the sky of the 3dfx shot compare that to the NV shot, no wonder why NV cards are fast they lower the image quallity and thereby get extra speed, sad to see that happen with cards of even today. Very dissapointing AA also I don't even think nor believe that nVidia used 3dfx's RG FSAA at all!

Anyways what do you think which has the sharpest image quallity?

@ Obi-Wan_Kenobi,

Without a doubt the voodoo has the better image quality of the two  ;)

Check out the sky detail in quake 3 on an nVidiot card, it's a banded mess  ???

yeaps this is what I was exactly try'n to explain on another board I'll pm you about as much as I would like to tell the whole archive.

I gave up trying to talk to those guys over there in regards to D3 being a glide based game and the IQ being better. Have you ever seen the train scene level in D3 where you have to out run the trains to the next station? Just watch the trains go by on an nV card compared to a Voodoo card. The nV card sux!!

yeaps even an ATi card gave better Image IQ still with the Voodoo on place one, the game is made for Glide and not D3D or OpenGL they just can't seem to think too different
Oh well @ least they locked my topic so that they can't continue it was wrecked anyways.

Nah You're right Gamma742 they are just ego, NV lost the Descent3 round in the Image Quallity tests.

The first time I played Thief on my GF2 Ultra (after playing it exclusively on V3 hardware before that), I almost crapped myself.  I thought this $600 card was busted or something.

Turns out it was the texture compression used on NVidia hardware (I forget the name of it -- maybe someone else can help me out on that?).

Aside from the texture compression on textures covering large areas (i.e. skyboxes), I don't see any significant IQ differences between those screenshots.  Maybe if they were closer to the same frame...

well the image quallity is verywell visable

the GeForce shot is used at 1280 x 1024 x 16 in OpenGL with FSAA x4 and AF x16

the Voodoo5 6000 shot is taken @ 1600 x 1200 x 16 in Glide no FSAA and obviously no AF hehe.

look at the sky of of the Voodoo5 6000 shot compare that with the shot of the GeForce 6800 shot, the 6800 has ugly sky as for it's dark detail in 16 Bit OpenGL the Voodoo5 has a much sharper and clearer and more colourfull image that the 6800 Ultra shot, then they say that NV uses the same FSAA as 3dfx Well I found out that FSAA x4 on a Voodoo 5 5500 AGP @ 1024 x 768 x16 in Glide even looked better also.
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album93/V5K5_AGP_FSAA_x4.thumb.jpg

Glide games run best on Glide based hardware as for Open GL and Direct3D they are just additoinal options for the game it's self, but they would and can never beat the image quallity of Glide where the game is built for ;)

Game like Half life 2 would look better on a Radeon X1800 or a GeForce 6800Ultra because those games are built for those cards, only the FSAA will look best on the Voodoo 5 5000 & 5500. that counts for FSAA x2, x4 and FSAA x8 for Voodoo5 6000.

So to get back to this thread :) 3dfx Wins in the Descent3 Image Quallity test as with and without FSAA.

*shrug*

As you will.

it's not what I will just basing out the facts :)

Here are some Unreal1 Screenshots (~3MB):

Voodoo5: http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4064460&postcount=83

7800GTX: http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4062815&postcount=66

3dfx still has the best image quallity Unreal was made for Glide ;) but this is actually a Descent3 Image quallity test between a Voodoo5 6000 and a GeForce 6800Ultra that was the base idea of this topic but norries I can change the title hehe to 3dfx Image Quallity Tests Compared I Glide Games instead , but might as well leave it the way it is :)

Anyways the Voodoo5 shots of your comparrison still look way better than the 7800GTX ones lol, NV does not succeed to well in Glide based games.

Absolutely. I can't wait playing it with 8xAA. Hope that Hank gets my Voodoo5 6000 repaired (after 9 months  :P)

Ah congrats with your Voodoo5 6000 as well :) ywell my Voodoo5 6000 is in my IKEA Table for display I use the Voodoo5 5500 PCI with FSAA x4 in the OpteronDP 244 that goes fast also :) with a nice 48 frames per sec :) the Main VGA will be here in a few days a Sapphire ATi Radeon X850XT Platinum Edition AGP and the Voodoo5 PCI will remain as main Glide card for that nice sys :) now I need a good VGA A-B switch :)

but yes to get back to the thing :) 3dfx PWNzz the IQ test allright :) Hope to see more nice shots from your 6000 soon :) I'll see if I can get that Voodoo5 5000 to do some nice work with FSAA x4  ;D

Yes I also hope, that I can provide you some nice screenshots soon. My Vodooo5 6000 is from the Quantum Labs and Hank said once , that its unrepairable broken.   :-[ But then, he wrote in 3dfxzone, that he found the error, and mayby mine would be the first card in the world with an PLX-Bridge (instead of Hint)  ;D Then I heard nothing from him anymore, since 3 months...

But anyways. Your system seems to be really powerful. My Voodoo5 PCI is the 2nd graphics adapter in my 2400+@2.4GHz AMD-system (first is 6800GT, which will soon be replaced), and I doesn't have a vga-switch. I just connected both cards with my TFT (dvi and analog) and it works perfect.

Its so impressive, that 3dfx cards are still able to show supirior image quality, even from newer games.  :o




Some interesting links:


x) My 3dfx graphics card history, with links to nice screenshots (e.g. Half Life 2) http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2554684&postcount=53

x) 21-page-long thread which deals with impressive 3dfx screnshots: http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=237876

x) Thread which shows an alternative view of the anandtech voodoo5 review: http://www.voodooalert.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=8083&hilight=3dfx&hilightuser=750 (all images are clickable; look at the frameratedifferences of the screenshots below  ;))

thank you very much for the extremely high detailed reviews you went through there :) the Voodoo5 has defintely the best Image quallity this shot really inmpreesed me the most:
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/5095/3dfxvsatvsnvidia4xogl57fj8ui.th.jpg

I must say the Radeon 256 DDR isn't do'n that bad alot better than the crappy GeForce2 GTS but the Voodoo5 still has the upper hand :) Great shots mate :)

even this one I thought was very good as well :
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6400/3dfxvsnvidia4xogl31bb1ln.th.jpg
Here you can whitness the True quallity or Rotated Grid Full Scene Anti-Aliasing  Versus Ogressive Sample Full Scene Anti-Aliasing :)

RGFSAA x2 has a comparable Image Quallity as OGSFSAA x4 orsay 2x2 :) heh very impressed but look at that horrific sky, no wonder why the GeForces were seen as the fastest cards of thier time, just by lowering the image quallity that dramaticly LoL if 3dfx did that I would of laughed nVidia out all the way!!! ;D ;D ;D hahaha

Nice one Roflkopp :)

@Obi-Wan:
What configuration do you use for Descent 3 on V5? I just found the game in my collection, would be nice to play it again :)

Config with Voodoo5 6000 AGP:

AthlonXP 2700+ Thoroughbred-B
EPoX EP-8K5A2 Rev 1.1
1x 512MB Kingston Value Ram PC3200 @ PC-2700
SB Live 1024
Win2K Pro
AM 3.1 R11

for Voodoo5 5000 AGP:

AthlonXP 2600+ Barton
ASUS A7V333-R Rev.1.02
1x 512MB Samsung Original PC-2700
E-Tech 5.1 surround card [SBLive 1024 compatible]
Win98SE
3dfx WHQL 3dfx Voodoo4/5 V1.04.00

For Voodoo5 5500 AGP:

AthlonXP 2700+ Thoroughbred-B
EPoX EP-8K5A2 Rev 1.1
1x 512MB Kingston Value Ram PC3200 @ PC-2700
SB Live 1024
Win2K Pro
AM 3.1 R11

&

AthlonXP 2600+ Barton
ASUS A7V333-R Rev.1.02
1x 512MB Samsung Original PC-2700
E-Tech 5.1 surround card [SBLive 1024 compatible]
Win2K Pro
AM 3.1 R11

and now I use this config for my main 3dfx system:

AthlonXP 2700+ Thoroughbred-B
ASUS A7V333-R Rev.1.02
Hercules ATi Radeon 9700 Pro AGP 128MB DDR
3dfx Voodoo5 5500 PCI 64MB
1x 512MB Samsung Original PC-2700
SB Live 1024
Win2KPro
AM3.1 R11.

wrote on 13.03.06 at 12:15:09:

Absolutely. I can't wait playing it with 8xAA. Hope that Hank gets my Voodoo5 6000 repaired (after 9 months  :P)

Any news on that 6K of yours yet? I hope she will get fixed, I'm trying to get Descent3 1.5 running in 1280 x 1024 x 32 Bit Glide with FSAA x4 and LOD Biasing @ -8 setting is there a driver that allows me to use this setting on the 5500 PCI as well so then I can make a perfect comparrison with the 6800U and 5500 PCI , by using the same FSAA setting at the same reso, and LOD Bias @ -8 should give the same effect as AF x8 just to create the same seranio.

Hank mailed me yesterday, that he has fixed it  ;D  ;D  ;D


I think 1280x1024x32, 4xAA on voodoo5 5500 PCI is impossible, because of the framebuffer memory.

Unreal runs @ 1280x1024x22 4xAA, but only if the Windows Desktop is set to 800x600, 16bit.

ah cool for your Voodoo5 6000 :) happy to hear it has been healed by the 3dfx Healer.

bout the 5500 PCI hmm yeah oh well 1024 x 768 x 16 in Glide looks beefy as well with FSAA x4 still get about 47 frames per sec in Unreal ver 2.26 :) not bad for the 5500 PCI :)