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Obi-Wan_Kenobi

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Re: AAlchemy GX
Reply #60 - 22.09.05 at 12:48:58

oh man Gary this is Hels ! I mean no change op speed with or with out FSAA and the same speed as a 6K with out, omfg Shocked

Well I do believe you are right that some chips do go idle, that is a very good explanation whileEye-Q's also could have a point, I really have never seen a Graphics card of any sort even including the professional ones hav'n Idle chips onboard which only be'n needed when the call comes, but hey it's indeed a speculation what could be , That I do understand Wink

Very interesting that 8 chipped VSA-100 based AALchemt 8164 hehehe no wonder that it has no change in speed hahah is't got like 64MB per VSA-100 and it has 8 of them Shocked

rather a very sick design, I wonder how a Spectre 3000 would of performed maybe that the AALchemy 8164 is a very good example of how a Spectre 3000 would of performed.

Hope to hear more soon Gary, and Dual Pentium!!!/E 850's in Slot 1 very L33T mate! 8)

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Reply #61 - 22.09.05 at 14:16:10

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hey gary, please try that Quake 3 Timedemo (demo001) with 1024x768 all max quality with 0xAA, 2xAA,4xAA,8xAA

No point- THe CPU's are too slow (see benchmark page with the 1.0 ghz machine)

2xAA isn't an option and AA is "free" so the benchmarks will be the same.

It's like Mercury being no faster then a Voodoo II SLI rig, the other boards are handling an alternate image for AA blending.

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Reply #62 - 22.09.05 at 14:17:38

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I think it's not that way that some of the chips are idle but rather that they have so much raw power for the game engine that even 8xAA doesn't have so much impact that the fps drop below the refresh rate of the monitor.

Nope, there has been several times I can drive the FPS below the refresh of the monitor and toggling AA has zero impact on FPS.

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Reply #63 - 22.09.05 at 14:23:13

well a celeron 1000 is slower than a Dual Pentium!!!/E 850 when SMP is in use. 1 Celeron 1Ghz can be compared to a 866Mhz Pentium!!! EB .

I had Dual Pentium!!!/EB 1Ghz CPU's once and a friend of mine had a Celeron 1Ghz and even with 1 CPU i crushed his Celeron with ease. So I underclocked my P3 til i reached a speed of 866 and then the scores were comparable.

in otherwords maybe you should of used a real Pentium!!!/EB 1Ghz or 1Ghz Athlon Thunderbird for a better comparance, cause a Celeron is a decranked Pentium!!!., so even then the comparance isn't worthy, 2 totally different CPU's.

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Reply #64 - 22.09.05 at 14:26:32

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oh man Gary this is Hels ! I mean no change op speed with or with out FSAA and the same speed as a 6K with out, omfg Shocked

I'm just using that as an example, it might not be any faster then a 5500 PCI.

I would have to swap cards about on the same platform and test the results.

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I really have never seen a Graphics card of any sort even including the professional ones hav'n Idle chips onboard which only be'n needed

Mercury does just that if you disable the AA via command line, it's no faster then an SLI VII rig.

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I wonder how a Spectre 3000 would of performed maybe that the AALchemy 8164 is a very good example of how a Spectre 3000 would of performed.

Afraid not- 8164 was built for pure image quality, outright speed wasn't a consideration.

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Reply #65 - 22.09.05 at 14:29:40

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in otherwords maybe you should of used a real Pentium!!!/EB 1Ghz or 1Ghz Athlon Thunderbird for a better comparance, cause a Celeron is a decranked Pentium!!!., so even then the comparance isn't worthy, 2 totally different CPU's.

A V5-6000 Still scales with a Barton 3000+.. so bump from Celeron to P3 a P3-1000 (which would require me to buy another motherboard, PC-133 ram and of course a P3 1.0 ghz) isn't going happen.

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gdonovan YaBB Administrator Offline Infernal Collector Posts: 2361	Re: AAlchemy GX Reply #66 - 22.09.05 at 14:32:51 Perhaps I should make something clear- Performance wise the card isn't spectacular, just based off a running timedemo I think a 6000 would have no problem beating it. Where 8164 shines is Image Quality with minimal impact on framerate as AA is applied. That is what the card was made for and what it excels at.
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Reply #67 - 22.09.05 at 14:36:56

oh okay norries there

if you mobo has the Intel BX440 it is possible to run P# EB 1Ghz cpu's with a 133MHz FSB, though I'm not sure what mobo you have.

Mine is the MSI-MS 6119 BX2 ver.1.1 , Isuppose that every iBX440 board must have thier differenties. My board can make use of PowerLeap Slot1 to Socket1 aka Socket 370 convertors for later P3/Celeron CPU's. the board has Bios 2.9 latest bios for Coppermine 100/133fsb CPU's, dunno about Tualatins though, it should be possible still.

But anyways it's nice to see the AALchemy 8164 alive and well, now to obtain it's smaller brother the AALchemy 4116 8) The only Quad Chip Voodoo3 3000

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Reply #68 - 22.09.05 at 15:04:19

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oh okay norries there

if you mobo has the Intel BX440 it is possible to run P# EB 1Ghz cpu's with a 133MHz FSB, though I'm not sure what mobo you have.

No NOT possible as that badly overclocks the AGP slot and a excellent way to blow the V6K Hint chip to hell and back.

The BX chip will run at 133 mhz but Intel did not design it to do so nor does it have the correct divider for proper AGP speed under those conditions.

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Obi-Wan_Kenobi Ex Member	Re: AAlchemy GX Reply #69 - 22.09.05 at 15:12:54 oh okay, didn't know it would be that deadly afterall oh dear. Dos the AALchemy 8164 also have a sort of HiNT chip?
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gdonovan YaBB Administrator Offline Infernal Collector Posts: 2361	Re: AAlchemy GX Reply #70 - 22.09.05 at 15:28:00 Quote: Dos the AALchemy 8164 also have a sort of HiNT chip? Sure does.
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Reply #71 - 22.09.05 at 16:34:17

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well a celeron 1000 is slower than a Dual Pentium!!!/E 850 when SMP is in use. 1 Celeron 1Ghz can be compared to a 866Mhz Pentium!!! EB .

I had Dual Pentium!!!/EB 1Ghz CPU's once and a friend of mine had a Celeron 1Ghz and even with 1 CPU i crushed his Celeron with ease. So I underclocked my P3 til i reached a speed of 866 and then the scores were comparable.

in otherwords maybe you should of used a real Pentium!!!/EB 1Ghz or 1Ghz Athlon Thunderbird for a better comparance, cause a Celeron is a decranked Pentium!!!., so even then the comparance isn't worthy, 2 totally different CPU's.

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You cannot underclock your 1GHz CPU to a real 866. You've underclocked the FSB because all the multipliers we're locked.

Your 1GHz @ 866MHz is slower than a real 866. The 866 has an 133MHz FSB and we all know that the FSB matters Tongue

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I think an Intel Celeron 1GHz will be comparable with an Intel Pentium !!! 800EB in your case Grin

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All with all it's difficult to say which CPU will be faster, applications differ a lot so it's possible that the lower clocked P!!! can crush the higher clocked Celeron. But of course, it could be otherwise Wink

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Obi-Wan_Kenobi Ex Member	Re: AAlchemy GX Reply #72 - 22.09.05 at 17:53:59 Quote: Sure does. Ah cool, is it the same one on the V56K or is it from another vendor?
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Reply #73 - 22.09.05 at 21:27:09

Ookay, rather obvious that I've been a.w.o.l. this week and missed all the fun... Roll Eyes

...only because I'm a Final Fantasy fan and FF:Advent Children was released this week (GO AND BUY IT NOW PEOPLE!) 8)

Anyhow, will you be doing a screenshots section for the AAlchemy on your web page @Gary, since performance will not alter due to the CPU bottleneck... ???

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gdonovan YaBB Administrator Offline Infernal Collector Posts: 2361	Re: AAlchemy GX Reply #74 - 22.09.05 at 21:45:26 Quote: Ah cool, is it the same one on the V56K or is it from another vendor? HiNT, same as V6K.
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