Looking at some of my (very) old 3D Hardware (non-3dfx), I had the Idea of opening a new Thread dedicated to it.

Name, and (if possible) give Images of non-3dfx Cards of the past that have a history; feel free to write the personal experiences/highlights/failures you had with them :)

Maybe it helps getting a more complete overview of the 3D Accelerator History, and possibly gives other venerable Hardware a bit of showcasing.

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I'll just start off with a couple of Images :

Trident Blade3D
http://www.falconfly.de/non-3dfx/Trident_Blade3D.jpg

Rendition Verite V2200 http://www.falconfly.de/non-3dfx/Rendition_Verite_V2200.jpg

wrote on 21.07.04 at 01:00:34:

Name, and (if possible) give Images of non-3dfx Cards of the past that have a history; feel free to write the personal experiences/highlights/failures you had with them :)

I740 8 meg- First AGP card I purchased for use with new BX board and V2. Very underrated little chip with great intel reference drivers and very good image quailty. Use to play opengl Quake II all the time with no problems and reasonable framerate. I own a Starfighter I740 Real3d card and a new boxed Diamond G-640 card which is the same as my original.

Riva128 4 meg- I own a Velocity 128 PCI with TV out. Terrible picture quaility and the STB drivers were craptacular. The TV out tab would vanish for no reason and the drivers would have to be reinstalled. I'm astonished anyone could even begin to compare this chipset to a voodoo graphics.

TNT I- I own a Canopus 2500 from a lot buy, top of the line back in the day. I had for a short time a Diamond Viper, was fast enough and the image quality was improved over the Riva 128 but Nvidia had lots of egg on their face when it was finally released far below the mhz rating it was hyped up too.

Fireglpro from Diamond- Slow and sloppy rendering, picked up from a lot buy.

Other cards here-

S3 Virge, ATI Rage Ultra, ATI 3d Rage II, GF2MX, ATI mach64, Tsing labs ET 6000 (yes not a 3d card but a heck of a DOS gaming card back in the day!)

I'm planning on doing a number of benchmarks with oldschool cards and games in the next few months. I have been picking up 3dfx cards through lot buys and have other brand cards as a result. Just something to idle away the time...

I'll take some pics of the cards in a few days.

Gary

Apart from the Voodoo's, the only cards I ever ever used is the current Radeon 9500 Pro ;D, nVIDIA GeForce2 Pro DDR (good card) and way before my 3dfx time I had an ATI Mach64, and Rage Pro (more or less same thing I thought!?  ???)

My cousin had the infamous S3 Trio in his early computing days. I suppose that doesn't count as a venerable 3D card though.

Hi,  ;D

I had have:

S3 Trio AGP
TnT2 AGP
GF4 mmx440
GF2 ULTRA
GF3 TI 500
Ati 9200 PCI

REgards,
Oscar

My personal non-3dfx 3D Video Card History, while we're at it *g* :

Apocalypse 3D (PowerVR)
(this Card was purchased towards the end of 1996 I think, and lacking suitable 3D Games, turned out to be completely useless for me at that time. The Card was actually returned and luckily fully refunded just a week later)

Matrox Mystique 2MB
(the Mystique was terrible in 3D by all means, but was cheap and a nice&fast 2D platform for the Voodoo2. I don't remember why, but it replaced the venerable Hercules Dynamite 128/Video (Tseng Labs ET4000), albeit with only minimal performance gains in 2D... Funny Detail : It will be remembered as the first Video Card, that I ever flashed a newer Bios onto.)

intel i740 4MB
(don't remember why or where I got it, but for what it was worth, it did surprisingly well. However, it never received a MiniGL, so it was sold after being unable to support GLquake in any reasonable manner. It will be remembered as a reliable piece of Hardware in my memories.)

Riva128 4MB
(this bulk Card served as a cheap 2D platform for the Voodoo2 as well, as its 3D Image quality (gruesome stippled Alpha) and performance were quite terrible. OpenGL support was non-existent, and MiniGL support was early Beta at best. First noted that NVidia didn't implemented API-specific Gamma Correction, so Games all looked like "Alone in the Dark" unless one was to totally overbright the entire Desktop every bloody single time before launching a Game. 2 of its type failed within one year.)

Matrox G100 8MB
(cheap bulk Card was chosen after the terrible experiences with the Riva128. Image Quality was marginally better than the Riva128, but performance was a crawl as well. Still, I remember it as a fast 2D platform with outstanding 2D quality, and I used its capability to render within a Window for building Battlezone Maps in the Game's 3D Editor at that time)

RivaTNT 16MB
(I don't remember why on earth I bought this Card, but this Diamond Viper V550, namely the NVidia Drivers of that time actually gave me so much trouble that I eventually had to permanently remove it from the System and scrap it; >still< lacking any useful 3D-specific Gamma Correction, also this Board turned out just as useless. It was never used for 3D, and performance was slightly inferior to the Voodoo2, except for Direct3D maybe. Worst Driver-related and experience of massive instability I ever made in my lifetime)

RivaTNT2 M64 32MB
(this OEM Board came with my first AMD Athlon System, and was used as a 2D Platform for the Voodoo2 SLI at that time. OpenGL (at that time) was not good, but it gave surprisingly "okay" performance under Direct3D. >Still< lacking API-specific Gamma Correction, not very useful. At least this one was working flawless and trouble-free during its entire period of duty...)

ATI Radeon 9700pro 128MB
(was needed for more competitive performance under UT2003, and indeed was a worthy successor for my venerable Voodoo5 by all means. Performance and Image Quality were unseen before, and it turned out to be an awesome experience. Possibly the best 3D Hardware I ever bought, although the Catalyst Series started to decrease in quality after ~Cat 4.2. OmegaDrivers were needed after that to disable the AniSo "optimizations" ... )

ATI Radeon 7500 Ultra 64MB
(this Card was actually exchanged plus money bonus for a GeForce3 Ti200, that I got with a complete System. It went into the 2nd Game Rig in order to to play UT2003 with better performance for (more fair) local LAN sessions ;) , where it replaced a Voodoo4. Performance and Quality by far exceeded all expectations, due to its surprisingly powerful T&L Engine and bandwidth. Really nice Card, and massively under-estimated by many)

ATI Radeon 9800pro 128MB
(recently bought actually for no reason (!), after the 1 year old Radeon 9700pro was incorrectly deemed defective. Stupid me, but heck, got a small performance boost from it ::) )

If i ever get my scanner back to work i will scan my Creative 3D Blaster PCI (Rendition Verite 1000). Does anybody know games (except Papyrus GPL, Nascar, Indycar, etc.) who support this car native?

Regards,
Andreas

Seems Mechwarrior 2 had a native Rendition Patch, and I'm almost sure the Game shipped in a special Edition for other Retail Cards as well.
(heck, seems here wasn't a Card that Mechwarrior 2 didn't ship in a special Edition for *g*, I even own a "intel Pentium Edition" ;) )

Aloha !

I have some nice ones too:

ATi Rage Fury MAXX AGP 64MB Rev M3 0040
Bought this one for 42 Euro's , that's Postal Services included. In use in my good old AMD K6-2 500 @ 550 for older games.

Diamond Multimedia ViperII Z200 32MB + Composite TV-Out & S/Video Out. S3 Savage 2000
this one is still in use in my mom's Intel Pentium4 Willamette 1700Mhz LOL  ;D it uses Australian T&L drivers got those from dansdata once long ago  :P

Hercules 3D ProphetII ULTRA 64MB Rev A 0038 nVidia GeForce2 ULTRA / NV16.
Bought this card because of the nice blue PCB and it's a NV16 which makes it kinda special to me.

MTek GeForce4 Ti-4200 8X AGP 128MB DDR1 ViVo nVidia GeForce4 Ti-4200 with AGP x8 / NV28.
This one is still in use in my dad's AMD AthlonXP 2000+.

Leadtek WinFast A250 ULTRA TD AGP 128MB DDR1 nVidia GeForce4 Ti-4600 ULTRA /NV25.
still in use in my AMD AthlonXP 2700+ allong side it is my 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 PCI Rev A1 2900  ;D

Leadtek WinFast GeForce3 Titanium 500 ULTRA TDH AGP 64MB DDR1 nVidia GeForce3 Ti-500 ULTRA /NV20Ti
Baught this card for 42 Euro's it's my favourite GeForce3  the GeForce3 Ti 500 was also the fastest GeForce3.

Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro 128MB DDR1 X-Mas Red Edition! ATi Radeon 9700 Pro / R300.
This is a red PCB version of the Hercules 9700 Pro which was released in the  christmas period  :D , normally they are blue and not red.This one is still being used in my Dual AMD AthlonMP 2200+ for games and other things.

XFX GeForce 6800 GT AGP Dual DVI 256MB GDDR3 1.8ns nVidia GeForce 6800 GT / NV40.
In use in my new AMD Athlon64 Clawhammer 3200+ with 1MB of L2 cache. this is my Doom3 - FarCry - Flight Simulator 2004 - Jedi Academy - FreeLancer gam'n rig :-X

The Radeon 9800 Pro died , it only lived 1,5 Months :| So I returned it the the Local PC store and thus recieved my money back, and ths NV40 GT is it's better replacement.

Oops, corrected it :)

Heh, I still hava an old rendition verite V2200 lying around somewhere too! ;)

It's TOTALLY identical to the one Falcon has! ;D

I've an 'odd' story about this little card... ::)

When it came out it was one of the few 8MB versions of the card - most others were just 4MB... :P

I accidentally flashed the card with a 4MB BIOS and thought "OOPS! - I'd best flash that back to 8MB..." :o

Problem was that the update from Hercules was a DOS executable that needed LOTS of base memory - so it didn't run - AT ALL! :'(

So, like any competent hex-editing geek would do - I found the start and end strings of the BIOS file 'within' the EXE. Used my fave hex editor to copy and paste into a new file, and save the 8MB BIOS. :D

Then I used the DIAMOND DOS flash program to reflash the card with the HEX-edited 8MB BIOS and viola! ;D

The card still works great in full 8MB mode... 8)

If anyone is interested, I have a hacked OpenGL driver for Quake 2 that I found AGES ago which let's this little card run the game as fast (or close to) a V2 SLI rig would have! ;)

SWEET! 8)

S3 Virge DX (PCI, 4 Mb EDO)
getting dust inside an unused 486. In old days, it was called a "3D decelerator" ;D

Matrox Mystique 220 (PCI, 4 Mb SGRAM)
2D card for the Voodoo Graphics. It didn't support ANYTHING: no bilinear filtering, no MIP mapping, no alpha blending, no fog, no transparency... Pros: faster than Virge in 2D :P

Matrox m3D PowerVR PCX2 (PCI, 4 Mb SDRAM)
non-3dfx add-on 3D card, like Voodoo1/2. Well, not exactly like Voodoos: it didn't support the blending modes that are needed for colored lighting. A curious piece of deferred rendering technology: on-chip Z buffer, all RAM dedicated to textures, had neither frame buffer (it used primary card's memory), nor pass-through cable (it used PCI transfers).

Number Nine Revolution 3D (PCI, 8 Mb WRAM)
2D card for the PowerVR PCX2. Well, this one did support EVERYTHING that Mystique didn't... but at the price of speed. Very, very, VERY SLOW, and no OpenGL support at all (in Win9x, there was a MCD for NT). PCX2 had at least a miniGL driver for Win9x that allowed to play glQuake, Quake II, Half-Life, and not many more. Nine's Pros: an external RAMDAC :P

3DLabs Permedia2 (PCI, 8 Mb SGRAM)
2D card for Voodoo2 SLI in PCI-only motherboard. An almost professional card for wireframe and polygon mesh acceleration in OpenGL, CAD & NT environment, but suffered from a serious lack of fillrate power that made it a below-average card for gaming. Like PCX2, it didn't support an important blending mode, which really hurts it when rendering engine uses colored lightmaps. Anyway, one of the first consumer 3D cards with OpenGL ICD.

Matrox Millenium G200 (AGP, 16 Mb SGRAM)
2D card for Voodoo2 SLI in AGP motherboard. First and only one in this crap collection to have both D3D and OpenGL decent performance. Not by today's standards, of course: it doesn't even support multitexturing (T&L? What the hell is that?)  ;D

And I wouldn't call these ones "accelerators of the past", since they're still useful:

Creative GeForce 256 (AGP, 32 Mb DDR)
Hercules Kyro II 4500-TV (AGP, 64 Mb SDR)
Gigabyte Radeon 9000 Pro (AGP, 64 Mb DDR)
MSI GeForce4 Ti4200@4400 (AGP, 64 Mb DDR)

I have a few:

A GeForce 2 MX 200 and a 400.
http://xn--grsten-jua.se/3dfx/images/mx200.jpg
http://xn--grsten-jua.se/3dfx/images/mx400.jpg

A Geforce 256
http://xn--grsten-jua.se/3dfx/images/geforce256.jpg

Non-working 3DPower GeForce 3 TI500 64 MB AGP TV
http://xn--grsten-jua.se/3dfx/images/geforce3.jpg

A Nvidia Vanta
http://xn--grsten-jua.se/3dfx/images/vanta.jpg
http://xn--grsten-jua.se/3dfx/images/vantachip.jpg

A Hercules 3D Prophet 4500
http://xn--grsten-jua.se/3dfx/images/prophet4500.jpg
http://xn--grsten-jua.se/3dfx/images/prophet4500fan.jpg

All them are usual to me except the Vanta - what exactly is the Vanta? The card before what?

I also have a odd card that I presume ain't a 3d card but that I wonder if anyone of you knows anything about: Matrox MGA - a picture @ http://xn--grsten-jua.se/3dfx/images/matrox.jpg

EDIT: The "unknown" card appears to be a Matrox G100 - and it is a 3d accelerator :) I got it when I bought a used computer and exchanged to a V5 the minute I got it soo I didn't know a shit about it :)

was bored, went through some of the post and seen this one. List of cards, either still have or have owned.

Diamond 2 meg Pro (don't remember what it was, used it for my Voodoo 2)

Voodoo 2 was actually my first 3D card but didn't realize it needed two cards to run it, hence forth the Diamond 2 meg card.

Voodoo 3 3000 agp

Voodoo  5 5500 agp

ATI's first Radeon VIVO 64 meg (Bought after the end of 3DFX) Thought it was going to be at least compareable to the V5, not even close. Drivers came out every 6 months at the time for the card. Card just sucked. I've used it since the new Cat. drivers have been release and have noticed that runs alot smoother then it ever has. Still have the card, don't use it though.

Ge-Force 2 MMX 400 - Card sucked. Didn't know much about cards at the time and thought it'd be an upgrade. Got rid of it a week after I had it.

Kryo II 64 meg. Card rocked. Loved it, Lack of T&L hurt this card big time though. Graphics and performance for the V5 was only matched by this card at the time (at least in my opinion).

Radeon 8500 128 meg (the real one, not the LE version turned 8500). Still using this card in a spare gaming machine.

Giga X Cube Radeon 9600 Pro 256 meg. In current gaming system.

That's it for now, looking at either the X700 Pro or something else when I build my new machine.

Well my poor little Connect3D 9800 pro 128 just died, I only had it for  just  1 month and 14 days  :-/, so i did recieve my money back, good service, hehe

so a month later, i bought a XFX GeForce 6800 GT 256MB GDDR3 Dual DVI for 419 Euro's at the HCC Beurs in Utrecht, that's like the dutch PC expo, the biggest one in Holland :)

Thankx to dborca and zeckensack a very good friend of dborca,  I got 3dfx Glide working on my GeForce 68000 GT :)

here my topic on that idea:

http://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1456

andere the very usefull tool too:

http://www.zeckensack.de/glide/archive/GlideWrapper080e.exe

here the source:

http://www.zeckensack.de/glide/index.html

anyway I ran Unreal Tournament in Glide at reso 1024 x 768x 16 with FSAA x8S and AF x16 and got a nice 112Frames per sec on my A64 3200+ 1MB L2 machine.

First I thought that isn't much but zeckensack said that is quite alot, and it's kinda stressfull for my NV40.

Here's the fun part, the NV40 has the M-Buffer, that's  the part from the Rampage, it make your gameplay with FSAA at higher reso playble without large dropouts, and yes at 1600x 1200x 16 in glide i got with FSAA x8S and AF x16 an nice and clean 80 frames per sec. not bad.

The NV40 also has well known features of the T-Buffer too,
it has Motion Blur, depth of field Blur, Soft Shadows and Soft Reflections, so most of 3dfx's technology has been put into NV40, the only thing that was missing was the famous API --> 3dfx Glide.

This is what I learned from dborca:

nVidia does not have a Glide-like low-level interface. it was 3dfx proprietary, yet the API was public. i don't know what went wrong, but it was never adopted by other companies. perhaps it was so closely designed around the Voodoo chips. Glide was a RASTERIZATION library, and many RENDERING libraries could have been built on top of Glide, sparing the renderer of the grossy cross-platform details. however, Glide COULD have been a bit more lenient / general. then, maybe - just maybe - it could have been embraced by other IHVs.

I suppose it is still possible to use Glide but then in an other way. At first the NV 40 is a GPU they are programable, so maybe it's possible to implent the Glide API in the NV40 it's self.


So dborca also added this:

speaking of http://www.zeckensack.de/, i personally never tested it. but the guy knows what he's doing (also, the lib is pretty uptodate: after i pointed out a bug in his wbuffer code, he fixed the problem asap).

And that gave me a new chance of trying Glide on my NV40 based card, though this is one of the best glide based wrappers out there.

So I learned that MesaFX on a Geforce isn't so sufficiant, because they already have good OpenGL them selves, at first i though I could use MesaFX working on the GeForce 6800 GT to get Glide working, but nope that wasn't the fact!

anyway my Experiment with a non-3dfx card is verywell done with. But Is there a way to implent 3dfx Glide API in The NV40 it's self?

f someone knows this, just yell it out ;)

So here's my new Card:)


http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/14-150-074-01.JPG
http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/14-150-074-02.JPG
http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/14-150-074-04.JPG

Here the nice Box:
http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/14-150-074-06.JPG

And here the added gear and booklets:
http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/14-150-074-03.JPG
http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/14-150-074-05.JPG

and yes the PCB is Blue and not green, the green PCB cards are older .

wrote on 01.12.04 at 16:06:39:

The most interesting non-3dfx 3dcard I have: http://img132.exs.cx/img132/7962/NECPowerVR.jpg Other cards aren't interesting, they vary from TNT's to GeForce's, ATi cards etc...boring  :-X

sorry but  i feel offended here and so might the rest,

please don't try and be mister i have everything, because that isn't nice towards other people and me either



>:(

wrote on 01.12.04 at 16:35:49:

sorry but  i feel offended here and so might the rest,

I think we just have a misunderstanding, lets not fly off the handle please.

oh wel that's only a Matrox, the Voodoo Graphics is way more interesting to me ;) or the Ati Rage Fury Maxx.

Where's the connector dude ??? (VGA)

You mean it's like voodoo1/2 :P, but w/o the passthrou? Must be needing a very good 2D card if that's the case :-/

wrote on 03.12.04 at 23:49:22:

No, this card renders on its own. A game which is compatible with this card will use the PowerVR instead of the 2D VGA card. Like the Voodoo Graphics or Voodoo II. The 2D card doesn't have impact on the 3D because the 3D stuff is rendered with the Voodoo card instead of the 2D card. Power VR does the same  :)

Actually, the 2D card doesn't have impact on 3D only if you use a Voodoo1/2 card, but it does matter if you use a PowerVR. The PowerVR has just a 3D chip with internal z-buffer and some RAM for textures, but has no RAM at all to allocate frame buffers. It uses 2D card's memory as "external buffer", rendering pixels internally and sending final colors through PCI bus to 2D card's frame buffer. Therefore, the faster VRAM your 2D card has, the better performance you will get from your PowerVR PCX1/2.

Okay, got some questions on old 3D accelerators... :D

1. What was the last PowerVR card to support the "Power SGL" API version that is used by Unreal? ???

2. Is "Power SGL" still supported by current PowerVR cards? ???
(from what I remember, I don't think so...but I'm not sure...) ::)

3. What was the last S3 card to support the "S3 Metal" API version that is used by Unreal? ???

4. Is "S3 Metal" still supported by current S3 cards? ::)

Reason is that I'm thinking of "altering" my 3Dfx "test rig" to support ALL of the API's used by Unreal - then doing some nice "comparison" shots for people... ;)

So the final setup will support... :P

Software Renderer
D3D Renderer
GLiDE Renderer
Power SGL Renderer
S3 MeTaL Renderer
OpenGL Renderer

Phew! :o

Let me know what you know folks! 8)

Nuff said! ;D

Well The S3 Savage 2000 GPU was the first GPU that supported Hardware Accelerated Transform & Lighting and nVidia came later with T&L on thier famous GeForce 256 GPU.

S3's MeTaL API was also last supported in the S3 Savage 2000 GPU, things like S3 Texture Compression was also intergrated in the Savage 2000 and also the SavageIV XP had S3TC, I suppose it's still in use in Delta chrome.

The funny thing is, that S3 never got thier T&L unit working within thier drivers, nVidia was the first that got it working, though it is still a development from S3, alot of people are confused about that hehe.

The Diamond Viper II Z200 was the most well known S3 Savage 2000 based card, it has 32MB 128Bit SDRAM @ 175Mhz I thought. the S3 Savage 2000 GPU ran at 150Mhz.  Under Win98SE i did get T&L running and man it looks great.

Unreal Tournament from 1998 supports the S3 MeTaL API and that is the only game that supports it hehe, gotta tell Ya people, it looks very nice, and it runs about 90% faster than OpenGL or Dierct3D on the same card .

Here is where I got the T&L Drivers for my Viper II:
http://www.dansdata.com/viper2.htm

http://www.dansdata.com/images/viper2/viper2320.jpg

Can't believe I still found it, I read this review back in mid 1998! wow that's real cool.

This is what's important about the Achitecture of the Savage 2000 compare to that of GeForce 256 SDR:

"The "dual texture" part, though, lets the Savage 2000 narrowly beat the GeForce in textured pixel ("texel") speed, in games that use multitexturing - textures on top of each other. It's only by a little bit - 480 megatexels per second for the GeForce, 500 for the Savage 2000, with both cards running at stock speed. But the difference is there. As long as the texturing speed's the limiting factor, the Savage 2000 wins, in raw numbers."



Have fun :)

Thanks Obi-Wan! ;D

I've managed to find one of these Savage 2000 Viper II cards on eBay - and I'll be keeping an eye on it for the next few days... 8)

I also managed to get a PowerVR PCX 2 card (the Matrox M3D) recently... :D

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5149766356&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT

I'll let you all know when I've got the system finished...along with some nice Unreal and UT comparison shots... ;D

L8R guys and gals! ;)

That would be very nice, my mom's useing my ViperII now , but soon I will be useing it again, couldn't never let go of that card, gotta say it has some real nice 2D also.

Ok, here's my Rendition Verite2100, by DIAMOND
http://balusc.xs4all.nl/img/fil/vid/ove/S220.jpg
Thanks for the help Obi and Falconfly 8)

Well, not much, but my collection shall grow up in some months (years?)!

http://img99.exs.cx/img99/9158/p10100317rx.jpg

Where is the big one, the 3dlabs oxygen I mean?
It kinda reminded me of the voodoo 5 6000.

What kind of MGA card is the left one  ???

looks like it can take up to four GPUs  :o

Interesting article related to this thread:

http://accelenation.com/?ac.id.123.1

Quote:

[P.s. The only reason I use my GeForce FX   is because I don't want to use the Voodoo 4 4500 AGP all the time, that reduces the lifespan of the card]

As far as I know, a Voodoo has a lifetime warranty!?  :D

BTW : Ever see Tomb Raider running in GLide?  It looks bloody amazing.
Adieu

wrote on 17.01.05 at 00:20:23:

What kind of MGA card is the left one  ??? looks like it can take up to four GPUs  :o

It's a Matrox G200 DualHead (it's got only a DVI entry with a double cable).

Yes I saw the version with 4 GPUs and it was quite expensive, but mine's the "basic version" (got it with a businness PC).

I'll post the 3dlabs card's picture soon!

Here are two pictures (front and back) of the 3Dlabs Oxygen GMX2000 with 96 MB of total memory (16+80).

http://img119.exs.cx/img119/9096/6665om.jpg

http://img119.exs.cx/img119/5518/9996ju.jpg

OMG It's HUGE...can I say more, well yeah BIG  ;D ;D ;D

Yes, huge indeed... 31 cm!

;D

Might use it to scratch my back when need to  8)

wrote on 19.01.05 at 18:33:36:

Yes, huge indeed... 31 cm! ;D Might use it to scratch my back when need to  8)

lol that's about 1CM shorter than a Voodoo5 6000 AGP 128MB Rev.A 3700 :)

Then my (new) goal will be to find a card which is longer than 32cm!

;D

LOL  ;D i have a soundblaster awe32 model which is 33cm :D

but it's no graphic card  :-/

Yes that does not count!

;D

Could you post a picture of it on the other thread? Must look nice!

No better build quality than that 3DLabs Oxygen card, though.  Built by the finest.

Obviously, seeing as what country it was built in.  ;D

Yes it's kind of unusual to see cards made in such (nice) countries, like the UK.

;D

Or maybe is (was?) 3Dlabs actually from UK (since now Creative bought them)?

well I got another nice non-3dfx card to my non-3dfx card collection :)

Leadtek Winfast Titanium-500 TD 64MB DDR 3.6ns

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/winfastti500/images/02.jpg

Features:

   * nVidia 256-bit nfinite FX (tm) graphics engine/ GPU /240MHz
   * 40 million triangles/sec
   * On Board 64MB -3.6ns DDR Memory /500MHz
   * 128-bit wide Lightspeed Memory Architecture
   * 8.0GB/sec. memory bandwidth
   * 8-Layer design PCB
   * High-Resolution Anti-Aliasing
   * 350 MHz RAMDAC
   * AGP 4X/2X, AGP texturing
   * Digital Vibrance Control
   * Programmable Vertex Shader
   * Second Generation Integrated Transform and Lighting (T&L) Engines
   * Driver Optimised Support for Microsoft DirectX 8.1, OpenGL 1.3
   * Drivers Support for Win9X, WinME, WinNT4, Win2K, Windows XP
   * TV-out, DVI
   * Enhanced .15 micron(µ) Process
   * 57 million transistors
   * 64 MB DDR SDRAM


I'll make Foto's of it soon next to it's bigger brother the Leadtek GeForce4 Ti-4600 :)

Very impressive cooling system! The heatsink's really covering pretty much place! What's its weight?

I dunno, my Leadtek Ti4600 yeah this one:
http://www.hothardware.com/reviews/images/ltgf4ti/cardsidelight.jpg

it weighs about 416Grams and it has the same idea of cooling as it's predecessor the Leadtek Ti500:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/winfastti500/images/02.jpg

man that Leadtek Ti500 was very hard to find here in Holland and for 57 Euro's it made me very happy:)

So I guess that the Leadtek Ti500 would be about 200 grams at the most. quite heavy weight for it's time.

It just makes it a nice Leadtek Highend GeForce3 Ti/GeForce4 Ti set :)

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album72/3dlabs_gmx2000_large.sized.jpg

Yup, I own this oddball.

Nifty handle on the back. Is it the same as the SB(i)series?

wrote on 01.02.05 at 02:11:22:

Nifty handle on the back. Is it the same as the SB(i)series?

I have not compared it to the 100SB's bracket but it fits my V5-6000 perfect =)

lol nice card Gary, but my friend l\in Luxembourg aka Luxkiller65 has it also, and yes very odd indeed.But I'll see if I can find his topic on that awearsom odd ball :P

do games run fine on it btw?

I'm not gonna use it for the moment, but for what I read about it, it can almost only run OpenGL games. If that's right, it really is a shame, since the specs are quite good.

wrote on 01.02.05 at 12:40:13:

I'm not gonna use it for the moment, but for what I read about it, it can almost only run OpenGL games. If that's right, it really is a shame, since the specs are quite good.

Yes, it only supports opengl at 32 bit color.

As for speed, I'd wager a V4-4500 is faster based on watching it run through Quake II.

This card is optimized for workstation applications, not entertainment.

Yes, unfortunately.

:P

Anyway it's only for collection purposes. Do you use it regularly on a PC or did you get it also for collection?

Actually I purchased it because the price was right and it looks impressive as heck.

And people state the V5-6000 looks burly.

I took it also for the exact same reason!

;D

It sure is a hell of a card. And 3DLabs makes nice cards.

I wonder if there ever was a S3 Savage 200 with 64MB of Ram or a DDR version of that card, I do know that there was a 64MB version planned but I never saw one, does anyone else have more info on this? I'm still an old S3 Fan :) my old setup was a Diamond S3 Savage 2000 with a Skywell Voodoo2 SLi Set 2x 12MB :D when I had my Pentium!!!/E 650Mhz

I only have an S3 Trio 64UV+, that's all. And I know about the 16 MB Savage, never heard of a 64 MB!

Is it this one you're talking about?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44987&item=5162451213&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Nope I meant the Savage 2000 GPU I have a Diamond ViperII Z200 that's a 32meg S3 Savage 2000 card, but id did hear of a 64MB model But I didn't know if there was one with 64MB DDR or SDR, that was my question... you see :)

Here's a nice boxed Creative Savage 4:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=67863&item=5162295446&rd=1

very nice, are ya gonna go for it :) it surely looks in good condition :)

Speaking of Savage 4 boards-

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album72/dualsavage_nofan.sized.jpg

wrote on 08.02.05 at 02:02:55:

Speaking of Savage 4 boards- http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album72/dualsavage_nofan.sized.jpg

Sjooooooo Cooooooooool does that one really work? Well, it looks like ATi AMR technology or 3dfx SLi :D or was each Savage4 chip needed for a dual VGA setup? I have never seen a beauty S3 like this one, Very Nice Gary ;)

Maybe you would know if there was a 64 meg S3 Savage 2000 Planned or ever built? I thought at first that Power Color had something to do with the 64 Meg Savage 2000 but I'm not so sure, Do you know if it was ever made?

wrote on 08.02.05 at 02:06:57:

Sjooooooo Cooooooooool does that one really work?

Yup.


Quote:

Well, it looks like ATi AMR technology or 3dfx SLi :D or was each Savage4 chip needed for a dual VGA setup?

Just a dual VGA setup- Think two individual chipsets on a single PCB. Real funky having a 2048 x 768 desktop.

They also made a 4 chip/4 monitor model too, I'll have one in a few days.
 
Don't know much about S3 products and the specs or release dates.

wrote on 08.02.05 at 02:13:03:

Yup. Just a dual VGA setup- Think two individual chipsets on a single PCB. Real funky having a 2048 x 768 desktop. They also made a 4 chip/4 monitor model too, I'll have one in a few days.   Don't know much about S3 products and the specs or release dates.

wow a quad chip version also nice :) well I gotta say S3's 2D isn't that bad all really my S3 Savage 2000 has better 2D than my ATi Radeon 9700 Pro, but it's the speed difference lol :) I'm gonna do some benchmarking with it this upcomming week, in my AXP 2700+, my card is now in my mom's PC, it's a ViperII Z200 :)

Don't forget to post a picture of your card, when you'll have it!

to Obi: no, I won't bid on it since I got debts now and need to refund my parents ;D

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album72/quad_s3_board.jpg

Hels Gary just Hels man ;) Ya know what i mean haha, a quad chip S3 Savage4 wow, does it work loke ATi's AMR of 3dfx's SLI?

Actually the quad board isn't savage 4 powered (I think) I have to look into it a bit more when I get some spare time.

wrote on 12.02.05 at 00:49:01:

Actually the quad board isn't savage 4 powered (I think) I have to look into it a bit more when I get some spare time.

That would be Nice, I wonder it would be, it could be Savage 2000 or is that too new for the quad board?

my NV1... first 3D Acclerator

http://vbs1.xn--mareilehppner-pmb.de/pics/NV1/1.jpg

http://vbs1.xn--mareilehppner-pmb.de/pics/NV1/2.jpg

Nice one!

Does anybody have a link to some pages with the specs for the Savage 4?

I need to know if it's better to keep my G400 or to put a Savage 4 (16 MB) instead.

Here we have a nice video card from Colorgraphic Communications powered by four S3 Trio64V2/DX chips!
Two on the front and two on the back with their respective memories (two or four MB, I don't know yet). Notice the cool mention "QUAD BIOS" on the BIOS chip. The red bands are also really cool; the card itself is really beatiful IMO. I really like this four-screens graphics card...

http://img111.echo.cx/img111/6117/p10100253zb.jpg

http://img111.echo.cx/img111/9421/p10100264pc.jpg

love it Luxkiller65 :D a quad chip S3 Trio64 4x 2MB 8)  must of been very expensive for it's time and indeed 4 monitors was even possible then, never knew that the world of videocards were so highend in that era :)

Yes, that's a lovely card, my dad gave it to me in december or january I don't remember.

Here are the specs (unofficial page): http://www.peteweb.com/ftp/mirrors/hardware_specs/v/C-D/53141.htm

Nice GFX @LuxKiller65! 8)

...but what do the DIP switches do? ???

I was never able to know the function of the switches. On the link on my last post here, it says "Factory configured - do not alter. I guess I should leave them as they were when I got the card.

i only used voodoo3 for  years now i think

boxed new Rendtion Verite V2200

made by Jazz! (remember that blue Voodoo Rush?)

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album64/1_G_011.jpg

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album64/2_G_010.jpg

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album64/3_G_005.jpg

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album64/4_G_004.jpg

woei very nice shots, you can see the crispy detail on it's beautifull Blue PCB! The Rendition V 2200 was indeed a good card of it's time, Diamond Multimedia called it the Stealth II S220 and Number Nine had one also, though it was called Revolution but not sure there.

Nice Pics!!

What camera are you using?

There was also a V2200 from Hercules which I still have lying around somewhere... ;D

yes there was, it was named the Hercules Thriller 3D 8MB ;)

http://img.shopping.com/cctool/PrdImg/images/pr/177X150/00/01/33/89/a6/20154790.JPG

and more info of it :
http://personal.inet.fi/atk/pehkonen/cameras/hercules.htm

http://techadvice.com/support/hercules/images/Image38a.gif

Heh! You had to use a hacked "ref_gl.dll" with Quake 2 to get full speed with this card as it used ARB multitexture rather than SGI multitexture! ;D

Tweak3D had a news post about this on 5/11/99, here's a snippet... ;)


Quote:

Someone hacked the ref_gl.dll file (Quake II) to allow Quake II to use ARB Multitextures instead of SGI Multitextures.

The original file was on Glide Underground, but it's gone now! :'(

If anyone wants to mirror the hacked file, I can email it to them at the weekend... 8)

Is it this file ?
http://dl6.mydown.com/home3/display/ref_gl_hacked_for_173_arb.zip
if not, I'm interested...  :)

I own 2 Rendition V2200-based Cards,
Jazz Outlaw3D 4mb Pci with Box (same as TM30 and Falconfly's), sadly damaged, failures in 2D and 3D...
QDI Legend 4mb Agp, works fine... ;D

then, there are
Aristo PowerVR PCX2 with Box
Daimond Viper V550 16mb Agp, w.orig. Driverdisk
Elsa Erazor II 16mb Pci
Number Nine SR9 8mb Agp (Savage 4)
and ATi Rage IIc and Rage Pro, both Agp and 8mb, if these counts as 3D-Cards  ;)

Yup, you are correct Antz! ;)

The hacked REFGL.DLL for ARB textures actually makes Quake 2 playable at nice speeds on the Rendition! ;D

SHWEET H4X0R5! 8) LOL! ;D

wrote on 10.05.05 at 05:04:47:

Nice Pics!! What camera are you using?

its a Sony Cybershot DSC-P52

This is a nice topic, been reading it all over again (some pics are missing now but some are still there).

UP!

i now own another great card...

Revolution 3D with a  GPU from Number Nine, Ticket to Ride

it has a really cool PCB, if you hold the card through the light, you can read "Thats why i go ...  for that Rock'n Roll Music" (3rd image)

these were great times... not that boring reference layouts like today...

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album64/1_G_018.jpg

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album64/2_G_016.jpg

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album64/3_G_010.sized.jpg

amusing

I mean totally :D :D

Anyway great find TM30!

hmm looks nice indeed, how does it perform? Can it be compared with the S3 Virge?

wrote on 02.11.05 at 23:13:16:

it has a really cool PCB, if you hold the card through the light, you can read "Thats why i go ...  for that Rock'n Roll Music" (3rd image)

All of Number 9's boards had Beatle references (Yes, the band the Beatles)

I had never heard of "subliminal messages" on GFX PCBs before!!!

;DLOL ;D

wrote on 03.11.05 at 00:01:19:

hmm looks nice indeed, how does it perform? Can it be compared with the S3 Virge?

i think it performs much better than a Virge in 3D...

... will test it

Quote:

All of Number 9's boards had Beatle references (Yes, the band the Beatles)

Actually, the Beatles covered that particular record...the original was Chuck Berry... ;)

I'm just relating where Number 9 got their names and logos from, not what the Beatles covered ;-)

Yeah, I know...but I'm being a picky B@RST@RD as per usual... ::)

LOL! ;D

wow here's a nice Diamond Multimedia StealthII S220 boxed :D http://cgi.ebay.com/Diamond-Stealth-II-Graphics-Accelerator-4MB-Video-Card_W0QQitemZ5232503321QQcategoryZ3762QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://www.labextreme.com/ebaypics/412106.jpg
http://www.labextreme.com/ebaypics/412106-1.jpg
http://www.labextreme.com/ebaypics/412106-2.jpg

doesn't that have the Rendition chip on it?