Hello everyone,

today I had a very strange feeling, are we really alone out here?

Is Earth really the only place where there is life? This has been going in my mind for eons, will we ever find out if there are other planets for possible inhabitation, I really question myself this many times.

What about other species, I do possibly think that we have been watch for many eons.

If there are others that may have some thoughts about this, I would like to hear you out.

May The Force Be With Us All.

Ben Kenobi.

While noone can answer this question (yet ;) ), why don't you just help to find out ?

Data to answer this question is being taken from here since quite a while :
http://www.falconfly.de/img/Arecibo_tilt.jpg

To be more precise, from its 90ton heavy Transceiver :
http://www.falconfly.de/img/Arecibo_Dome.jpg

To analyze the Data, just Download and Install BOINC SETI (based on Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing, still part of the global SERENDIP Project)

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/images/seti_logo.gif
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/

This is about what it will look like to answer the question (using the default Software) :
http://www.astrosurf.org/lombry/Documents/seti-athome-boinc.jpg

In the future, Data will also be aquired from here :
http://www.falconfly.de/img/parkes_observatory.jpg
(Parkes Observatory, Australia)

wrote on 18.07.05 at 17:21:32:

Hello everyone, today I had a very strange feeling, are we really alone out here?

As someone once said- Either we are alone or we are not. In either case the answer is sobering.

Personally, I think we are not alone. Earth itself is teeming with life, there is a fair chance if life is here then it is elsewhere as well.

I don't think the earth is getting buzzed with UFO's though, the universe is a big place and were out in the sticks.

Hmm Seti @ Home, is cool, I know it, my neighbours have it also, I'll be installing it later today FalconFly.

my nodes are:

Dual OpteronDP CG 244 1800Mhz
Pentium4 HT E 3400Mhz
AthlonXP 2700+ 2167Mhz
K6-2 500 @ 550Mhz.

I suppose the K6-2 is abit on the slow side

There are extremely CPU-optimized 3rd party SETI Clients for BOINC (for Win32 and Linux) ; with those, even that K6-2 should perform quite okay.

And 9717MHz really isn't what I'd call a "bad start" either *g*
Just be aware that the SETI Server is having a little hick-up right now, they're looking into it as we speak.

Since I'm fully on the original SETI again until it closes its doors and fully migrates to BOINC SETI, you might even catch me, here's my standing for all BOINC based Project I participate in :
http://www.boincstats.com/stats/banner.php?id=16065

I believe we're alone.

What an awful waste of space...  ;D

haah I guess, well at least there isn't any Death Star's in our Space .... :-X woops, sorry to scare you lads ;)

nice stats FalconFly http://gathering.tweakers.net/global/smileys/worshippy.gifw00t! http://gathering.tweakers.net/global/smileys/worshippy.gif

the distance from earth to sun is 100%...if the earth came into existance in a distance of 95% or 105% we wouldn't able to live here! it is a damn short range but the universe is indefinitely...so there must be another earth...or earthlike planet!

On a slightly related subject, go watch a really great Sci-Fi film that is one of my favourites... ;)

CONTACT ;D 8)

Nah, people managed to live and develop in a Temperature range from -50 to +50 Deg. Celsius, a few % difference in Distance to the Sun wouldn't create such a large problem.
(it may affect the habitable area on a planet though, but all in all, it still a usable, possible harbour of life)

I hope light speed tech nology will come soon, so space travel will be possible, though theoretically lightspeed is a possibillity @ 300.000 KM per seccond :)

so 300.000 km per second x60 = 18.000.000 km per minute that x60 = 1.080.000.000 km per hour.

so light speed would be equivalant to:

1.080.000.000 Kilometres per hour  :-X :o :o :o farout!

So Ionpulse technology would be required.

AFAIK you cannot reach lightspeed...a friend told me that you need indefinitely energy in order to reach lightspeed if your ship or something else has weight...
because of that the light has lightspeed...the weight comes from the speed...strange stuff for me but he is a physics freak...

@falcon: but thats what i heard on a documentary film...+ or - 5% and we are not able to live...

Well Ion Pulse acelleration is at least an improvement:

http://www.zuko.com/Sci-Tech/space_technology.htm

As the xenon gas is fed into the engine, it is ionized (given an electrical charge) and is then accelerated to a speed of about 68,000 miles per hour.   When these emitted xenon ions are shot out of the back end of a spacecraft, they will
push the craft in the opposite direction at a constantly increasing higher rate of speed.

http://www.zuko.com/Sci-Tech/IonEng.jpg
so 68.000 mph is not bad though, but it's no where near the speed of light, maybe nuclear pulse maybe needed who knows.

anyway I also do believe there is life on other worlds and maybe more advanced than us, I always have a feeling we are being explored, not the UFO's not that idea but by launcing probes and so on.

About lightspeed... (in case you have means to reach it) you have to accellerate for approx. 30 years!! in order to preserve body's integrity, so: useless.

!Unless: you find a way to dematerialize your body (something like a teleporter) and stay in the buffer while dealing with unhuman accelleration(since hardware handles way higher g levels) ;D

well everyone thought that Speed of sound was impossible, but we humanoid did manage thatt, I'm suggesting that in 2075 we shall whitness Speed of Light and maybe earlier 2058 at the least ;)

But here another thing, what about Mars, is there going to human civallisation there? or is that many years awaited from us?

Above light speed... who knows, anyway in case it si possible we cannot see it hehehe
For mars... first we'd need to find to find a plant that is able to grow on martian soil and environment, plant a  lot of it and wait for the plant to produce enough O2
note!! we need plants who reproduce by division, hermaphrodite plants or to plant/seed a really frikkin lot of "ordinary" sexually reproductive plants since there are no means for plant's sexual reproduction (bees and so on)

yeah you have some very great explanations and idea's, why don't you join the Mars project and help NASA :P you really have feeling for this, that's cool dude.

I first thought that Venus would of been a possibillity, but hence all the storms and very hot wheather, live wouldn't be able to coéxsist.

Nice discussion! but isn't it true that it's a waste of time and money (@FalconFly) to care about aliens and space so much, since we poor humans already have so many problems here that we need energy, time, money and will to solve?

I mean hum well yes ok *shutting down*...

not aggressing anybody, just my point of view...
Then you're all gonna tell me if there was no space research and exploration I wouldn't be using my satellite tv and so on blablabla I know thanks ^^'

a waiste of time is to post things that are against this topic, I don't believe in a waiste of time really, someday we are gonna need a new plannet to live on, because all what we are doing is waisting our time and air with our toxic gasses, no wonder why there are so many sick and ill humanoids on this plannet, so doing Seti is not a waiste of time, imho it's morely finding a way out of this place.

I believe we arn't alone, I really believe that they are watching us, how we fight against our own species, actually we are a crazy race really to be precise.

It's just science, and science is never a waste, it's what got us here in the first place.
If we can search for discoveries, we always should do so.

Otherwise, we'd invest 100% of our time into creating small, narrow-minded 'inhouse' (terrestric) Problems until we extinct outselfes.

Latter is actually the biggest danger to our species, having at least a 'backup' planet occupied dramatically increases chances of survival.

A single large rock from the Asteroid belt could change the fate of humanity every day.
The last "close passes" were within 50000 and 150000km and were not observed until 3 days after the pass. If any of those would have hit, we wouldn't be using the internet right now but try to heat our caves due to a constant -60 Deg. ambient temperature outside.

ligtspeed again: since there is such thing as black hole's above lightspeed escape velocity, I belive it coud be absolutly possible to reach and pass over the speed of light

(but that probably doesen't guarantee matter's stability when doing it)

wrote on 20.07.05 at 10:26:06:

otherwise, we'd invest 100% of our time into creating small, narrow-minded terrestric problems

Sure, I was just trying to say that before caring about the space we should care about the earth.
It is sick that nowadays people start talking about "finding new planets to live on"; it shows that we treated, are treating and will always treat the earth so bad we'll necessarly need to find another place.
I mean, things like brushing your teeth without having any water coming out could save our planet, or at least preserve it for the upcoming generations.
I don't want my sons and daughters to live somewhere else, it'll show that we all failed here and we'll fail wherever we'll go.

Sorry for making you all upset with my last post, but one of the best quality of the human being is that of being able to think on his own.

Nah, no pun intended or taken ;)

It's just that one day, we'll be forced to leave this planet anyway (for completely natural reasons we have no influence on), we can only hope we'll make it by then.

After all, nothing lives forever, not even our sun or planet (although it'll likely be another ~6 Million years before this star burns out and develops either into a Super Nova or a White Dwarf)

Since there are other risks involved (including over-population, lack of resources and other natural planetary hazards) as well, we'd find ways to populate other stars better earlier than later. Who knows how many generations we still have... ?

yeps that right, only time will tell and lead us the way.

Though Space travel is on the merge of arrival, let's hope that there will be a planet nearby, so we can make trips to it and discover new lifeforms and find a new way of life.

I say,lets stay here on earth for a while and keep it low for the next few (hundred?) years.there may be something ugly waiting outside..

or something nice, staying positive would be better, but anything can happen as we are used to all these eons and eons.

Well, a couple of thoughts on this. One, I don't think we're alone but probably to far (and moving further away from) the next solar system to find out in our life time. The other thing to look at, is it's not just our distance to the sun that needs to be replicated, the temperature of thier sun, thier orbit, distance, habitat, age of the planet, as well so who knows, there's a posiability that we are the only ones out here (don't mean to burst anyone's bubble here). Two, I think we do have to look at mars or at least one of the moons to some other planet to potentially move to at somepoint. No offense to Falc, but I don't think it's because of Mother nature and impact of our own. We have acid rain, global warming, world wide polution that is killing off animals and an alarming rate, especially looking at the oceans, so I don't think that mother nature will do anything that we haven't caused it to do (again, not trying to put a damper on this conversation, just pointing some of the negitives out- that's all). So I do think we need to be looking at another planet. I hate to have my daughter or grand kids living, how ever many miles and years it takes to get to mars, away because we screwed up this planet so much we can't repair it but that's how it is right now. Just my thoughts though, and hopefully someday soon, we'll all find out some of these answers.

yeah I'm hopeing that we will find something , because from now we are still alone, hope we find another species to ally with and Hay Maybe 3dfx does exsist on another plannet who knows ;)

Yes, in a parallel dimension, where NVidia and ATI have failed!

MUAHAHAH!

:P

Yeah I always hoped for something like that :D haha would be cool for us though, we are like trying to ressurrect 3dfx by saveing thier cards in our mighty collections and thereby keeping the 3dfx spirit alive, well I must say it is way of living and yeah it does have a sense of humor sometimes too  and I must also say it works!

A friend of mine reminded me of an option for mars... von neumann machine, gathering all needed materials and fuels form the actual place, but we need to enhance technology a bit more to do that...
AI, fusion plants, materials & material related procedures (probaby also nanotechnology, that would give a big deal of help to the "big bots") and so on.

Also in this case I belive true von neumann probes would not be in the context, since it would be far easyer to make a not so AI dependant, more like preprogrammed bots specialised for each task. and eventually an (bot built) universal bot factory that can be programmed from earth to construct any bots needed for any task that might be encountered or needed (of course resource gathering and preparation of them would be the mayor need of new technologies)
And at higher level of the proyects completion there would be needed a great contribution by various programmers and designers from earth.


some info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_probe


After all this work and development (estimated to be an about 100yr proyect) as this friend of mine said... we would yust walk onto mars with all the infrastructures, housing and appliances waiting for us :)


(u ppl like SF? This post is lots like SF so u don't need to argue with "this is bulls*it"-like comments, better get in the role and post some kewl comments/suggestions)

well that would be just relaxed another new place to go to :) though it will be very expensive :) :-X

Main expense would be paying the ppl on earth, the beginning would be just a few startup bots, and solar panels to provide the energy to power up those bots the rest would all be made by "free resources & energy" gathered and produced from mars raw materials and energy produced there, so paying the pll to develop and supervise the progress would be the biggest part (unless u use a huge deal of "free" developers (read: free software, gnu...)) in that case u would have to pay only the coordinators & supervisors

well it's too bad that we won't be able to make that new experience hehe it would be a challenge :) damn where is that Lottery Ticket ;D