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Reply #150 - 18.02.07 at 15:15:26
 
well here it is my friends Smiley
http://www.gecube.com/products-detail.php?prod_cat_pid=9&prod_cat_id=166&prod_id...

the X1950 XT has the same core as the X1950 XTX an ATi R580+ running at 650 Mhz [648Mhz to be exact] and it's 256Bit GDDR3 runs @ 1800Mhz DDR [ 900Mhz Physical]

Thereby is this the most powerfull AGP card on the face of the Earth.

Product Features in short:

* Powered by ATI RADEON® RV580+ (90nm) GPU
* A 90-nanometer process GPU, the debut of the unique processing architecture
* 256MB of 256-bit (512-bit Internal Ring Bus) GDDR3 memory
* 48 parallel pixel pipelines
* Dual DVI (Double Dual Link) + HDTV + HDCP + D-sub support.
* Satisfied thermal control device : 1950XTX level in core clock (648MHz X1950XTX original core clock) at only about 70°C or more while operating 3D in room temperature environment for reliability.
* Shader Model 3.0 features new High Dynamic Range visual effects, and enhances realism with adaptive anti-aliasing and lightening fast performance.
* With X-Turbo fan cooler: Easily to have 648MHz default core clock for 1950XT AGP board and Overdrive to 675MHz ASIC core maximum overclock margin.

http://www.gecube.com/cms_file.phpid=2484
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Reply #151 - 18.02.07 at 17:29:24
 
Gamma, I'll definately let you know if I decide to get that. Gotta watch Newegg for it for a while. It took the X1950 Pro almost two months to get listed on there after initially seeing it on sites over seas. So thinking that maybe by the time may or june hits it'll be posted and depending on prices I might upgrade, not sure yet.

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Reply #152 - 18.02.07 at 20:22:57
 
hmm,I wonder if its going to run on the via kt333 chipset..
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Reply #153 - 18.02.07 at 21:05:28
 
heh yeah I have been questioning myself that too, the X800 Xt Platinum Edition I use now does AGP x8 as AGP x4 with no problems it also has no Ralito chip, it does it by nature.

So maybe that Ralito chip might create problems to let the card opperate in AGP x4 mode, since I had the same problem with a XFX GeForce 7600 GT 580M 256MB GDDR3 AGP x8, it didn't work in the AGP x4 boards I have here ASUS A7V333-R Rev 1.02 & ASUS P4T S423, the card just refused to opperate, only bootscreen worked and the bios, but windwos refused to boot properly.

after testing it in my Dad's Semp64 2800+ it functioned perfectly, his chipset is the nForce3 250 with a true AGP x8 slot, it is AGP x4/x2 revers compatible but even there the 7600GT didn't accept AGP x4 mode.

So might this be because of the Ralito chip or could it be the G73 that doesn't accept AGP x4?

I wonder if a X1950 Pro AGP would have these problems as well, since it does have the similar parts like that Ralitio chip to convert PCI-E to AGP signals.
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Reply #154 - 18.02.07 at 22:26:22
 
Quote:
WOOHOO Six weeks until X2900 XTX! Grin 8)

http://dailytech.com/AMD+Releases+Final+R600+Specs/article6138.htm

...well, at least maybe... Roll Eyes



Double post Wink
http://www.falconfly-central.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=offtopic;action=displ...
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So here some info from the source aka Daily Tech:

"Six weeks from now, the world will get the first retail Radeon X2900 XTX"

"AMD's guidance claims R600 will feature 700 million transistors.  By comparison, the Radeon X1900 series R580 GPU incorporated 384 million transistors into its design; the half-generation before that, R520, only featured 320 million."   

"On March 30, 2007, AMD will initially debut the R600 as the ATI Radeon X2900 XTX in two separate configurations: one for OEMs and another for retail.  The OEM version is the full length 12" card that will appear in high-end systems."


here the source:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6138

read on page 10, I posted that yesterday Wink
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Reply #155 - 19.02.07 at 00:07:55
 
DOH, my bad...post removed! Roll Eyes
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Reply #156 - 19.02.07 at 13:55:00
 
..a guy over here is running a x1950pro agp on a kt600 board,funny thing is that he can only run it in agp4x mode,because 8x causes instability.seems like the card has no problems with agp4x mode Grin
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Reply #157 - 19.02.07 at 14:05:57
 
Well, haven't tried mine in 4x mode yet, but I'm running a VIA KT880 board in 8x mode and it's running smooth as silk. I gotta test this for Obi soon, just have been a little busy lately. I'll look into it soon though.
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Reply #158 - 19.02.07 at 16:32:09
 
well the boards I use for testing have AGP x4 only slots, they are the following:

ASUS A7V333-R Rev.1.02 with Bios 1017 Final
VIA Apollo KT333 chipset for Socket 462
1x Universal AGP Pro 50 x4 Slot
5x PCI 32 Bit Slots

the test witha Ralito based XFX GeForce 7600 GT 580M AGP has failed in AGP x4 mode on this board, the idea was to see if the Ralito would accept the AGP x4 bus.

The other board I use for testing is based on a Legacy Pentium4 Intel chipset & Design.

ASUS P4T Rev.1.04 With Bios 1007
Intel i850 Chipset for Socket 423
1x True AGP Pro 50 x4 Slot
5x PCI 32 Bit Slots

this board gave the same Anomalies with the Ralito based AGP x8 card, so my conclusion that it's not a chipset realted subject.

So Jan it would be great if you have a system that makes use of the Intel i850 or VIA Apollo KT333 chipset, then we can find out if it will really work.

the ASUS ATi Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition AGP x8 works perfectly the same goes for the HIS ATi Radeon 9550 AGP x8 256MB DDR, Hercules ATi Radeon 9700 Pro AGP x8 128MBDDR,  XFX NVIDIA GeForce 6800GT AGP x8 256MB GDDR3 as Leadtek NVIDIA GeForce 6800 AGP x8 128MB DDR and Gigabute NVIDIA GeForceFX 5700 AGP x8 128MB DDR.

All of those cards functioned without flaws in AGP x4 mode in both system setups.

So If a X1950 Pro AGP x8 works stable in AGP x4 in either setup which I have listed, then a X1950 XT should do the same, since they both have the same card design qua PCI-E to AGP layout.

My Thanks goes to all helping me study this nasty thing Smiley
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Reply #159 - 19.02.07 at 17:39:27
 
yeah,KT333+x1950agp working/not working confirmation would be great Wink

I'm going to pick up a x1950pro agp (the one from MSI has caught my eye,nice and red,uses the pci-e power connector {the sapphire double molex solution looks just lame},and its way cheaper than those bloody boards from HIS,yeah they have that d@mn fine ICE-Q cooler and higher clocks,but that simply doesnt justify the horrid price) as soon as they are avilable over here,but I cant find an epox 8K5A board on ebay no matter what.if someone manages to catch one just gimme a whistle (must support paypal&ship to europe).
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Reply #160 - 21.02.07 at 02:02:43
 
heh that MSI looks nice ps47, I liek th e red cooler too , heh Red All Over w00t Grin
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Reply #161 - 21.02.07 at 21:58:47
 
good news , ATi has realeased a super driver upgrade for 2K/XP/XP64 as Vista, it seems to be 100% unified for use in all osses!

Quote:

New Features


Catalyst™ 7.2 introduces a brand new version of the Catalyst™ Control Center for Windows XP. The new Catalyst™ Control Center delivers a number of significant enhancements:

* Significant performance gains; Catalyst™ Control Center start-up time has been substantially reduced, and overall responsiveness has improved.
* Reduced system resource usage
* New 3D preview which significantly improves the ability for users to understand the benefits of enabling the many Catalyst™ features of their ATI Radeon™ graphics accelerator
* Increased stability
* Native 32 and 64-bit support

Performance Improvements

Open GL performance improves for all ATI Radeon™ X1000 series products. Gains of up to 25% in Doom 3, 48% in Quake 4 and 21% in Prey can be seen on a variety of ATI Radeon™ X1000 cards. These performance gains are noticed under the Windows Vista operating system.


And damn nice speed upgrades as well w00t Grin Grin Grin
http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/xp/radeonx-xp.html

Users with ATi X1900 as X1950 series cards will notice the greatest speed bumps and yes that's including the X1900 GT, XL, XT, XTX as X1950 GT, Pro XT as XTX cards!

do nitice the speed gains will only be noticed under Vista OS, heh maybe there is a way to make XP Pro get those extra's as well, still strange on that one.

since it's hard to believe that a new MS OS is that much faster than XP pro as 2K Pro heh.
CrossFire setups will love it too, so I will be testing that out right on this week w00t!
heh can't wait when Omega will take on these ones since he always succeeds to get the best image quallity + best speed nicely combined Smiley
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Reply #162 - 22.02.07 at 00:18:24
 
Me thinks that all currently existing Vista Drivers were quite far behind 2000/XP Drivers (5 upto 20% under DirectX).

Easy to imagine that the Situation in OpenGL was so catastrophic that very large speed gains are perfectly normal (and still remain at least a few % behind 2000/XP).

It will be months until Vista runs as fast as the estabilshed OS'es, maybe it'll never be as fast - after all it's the biggest Resource wasting OS ever designed in x86 history.
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Reply #163 - 22.02.07 at 15:02:05
 
yeaps Windows ME had the same kind of effect qua instabillity problems Lips Sealed that was also one of the worst Operating Systems ever made, just the history of it, most people chose Windows 2000 Professional instead heh!


Companies where I have wroked still choose Winddows 2000 Professional + Rollup 1 for SP4 for thier systems, it's very bold and fast, in many cases faster than XP, because it's so lightly built.

So I ran a test on my AthlonXP 2700+ with the X800XT Platinum Edition AGP under Wn2K Pro + R1 for SP4 and under WinXP Pro + SP2

the difference in 3D mark 2001 SE was about 297 points in advantage of Win2K Pro! amazing 2K Pro is like 297 points faster than XP Pro amazing what an older OS can do heh, anyways I used on both tests the same drivers aka Omega Catalyst 6.03 just to find out you see Smiley

here my 2000 Pro score default speeds as settings Smiley
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9138787

here my XP Pro score default speeds as settings Smiley
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9135095

okay the differences are minor but the fact is that 2000 Pro is faster than XP Pro is true here, even with 512MB of ram in the 2K system the score was the same.

anyways the X1900 XTX standalone got 30K in normal default settings
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8962088

but with crossfire I onlgot about 2000 points more, I suppose that 3D mark 2001SE doesn't support CrossFire propperlly and that it only ran the test on the primary card aka the X1950 XTX CrossFire Edition instead heh.
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Reply #164 - 01.03.07 at 20:05:47
 
here some new pic of the ATi Radeon X2900 XTX 1024MB OEM Prototype from the Amsterdam X2900 XTX pressentation Smiley

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here's the source to it Smiley
http://content.zdnet.com/2346-10741_22-57089-1.html

heh it would be exellent to obtain this prototype w00t! just If I knew how heh Grin
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