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Message started by trevormacro on 05.06.12 at 21:36:14

Title: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 05.06.12 at 21:36:14
The second one...

Video:

http://youtu.be/deMC4O8BV9c

Best Regards,
Trevormacro

Title: Re: Second Secret Project on Voodoo5 6000
Post by gdonovan on 06.06.12 at 11:54:46
Why even bother with watercooling?

If you are going to spend all the time and money why not a better solution like phase change?

Title: Re: Second Secret Project on Voodoo5 6000
Post by Loeschzwerg on 06.06.12 at 12:20:57
Yep and then also increase the voltage of all four VSA100. This will surely kill the v6k when done wrong, but it's the only thing left in case of overclocking.

Title: Re: Second Secret Project on Voodoo5 6000
Post by trevormacro on 06.06.12 at 18:23:25

gdonovan wrote on 06.06.12 at 11:54:46:
Why even bother with watercooling?

If you are going to spend all the time and money why not a better solution like phase change?


Hi Gary,

I have aircooling and watercooling systems on my V5 6000 cards.
I prefer watercooling because chips are more cooled.
I want to have the best cooling system to have the best max frequency on these cards.
Phase Change is a good solution but it's not that.
I have in mind a better and optimized solution to have better results.

Take a look on this modded picture:

Materials:



nb. It's for the first secret project but I posted it here to answer your question.
Four parts in this picture.
If you find what is the new system, you can reveal the secret...

Title: Re: Second Secret Project on Voodoo5 6000
Post by trevormacro on 06.06.12 at 18:26:28

Loeschzwerg wrote on 06.06.12 at 12:20:57:
Yep and then also increase the voltage of all four VSA100. This will surely kill the v6k when done wrong, but it's the only thing left in case of overclocking.


I don't want/(know how) to increase the voltage of all four VSA-100.
It's too dangerous.

Title: Re: Second Secret Project on Voodoo5 6000
Post by m14radu on 06.06.12 at 21:24:16
Peltier cooling ?

hmm....i see on the upper right corner an ir temp gun ?

Title: Re: Second Secret Project on Voodoo5 6000
Post by trevormacro on 06.06.12 at 23:35:56

m14radu wrote on 06.06.12 at 21:24:16:
Peltier cooling ?

hmm....i see on the upper right corner an ir temp gun ?


Great Comisarul, you have found it ;)

Peltier = TEC

Not an IR temp gun, it's nothing.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 20.06.12 at 16:23:07
Hello,

Informations about Peltier elements:

QC-127-1.4-3.7MS
Peltierelement 36W for GPUs
40x40x4,7mm
30,12€/pieces
120,48€ (4 pieces)

QC-127-1.0-3.9M
Peltierelement 18W for Sdrams
30x30x3,6mm
26,92€/pieces
179,52€ (6 pieces)

8 Tecs are here:



The others tecs will arrived 2 weeks later.

Powersupply is ordered:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Trafo-Netzteil-Transformator-12V-40A-DIN-ISO9001-/280653381774?pt=Bauteile&hash=item41583ec08e
350W Coolingpower is very high. Maybe, we can freeze the card for best o/c results.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 22.06.12 at 13:24:05
Powersupply received:

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by oldskool on 26.06.12 at 13:35:38
Please clean your keyboard  :-[

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 26.06.12 at 14:05:59
[quote author=7370786F777373701C0 link=1338924974/9#9 date=1340710538]Please clean your keyboard  :-[/quote]

It's not my keyboard, sorry.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 02.07.12 at 14:54:54
Done with the "normal functional design" but we will take tho old design. I like this :-)
1mm Coldbplate on RAM.
To the front, we will take thermalgrease.
To the back, we will use thermalpads too.
4 tecs on GPU and 6 tecs on ram.









Idea:

We take a screw to push the pcb on the front cooler. Better is thermalglue, or we take a screw an a backplate. We have better temperatures.
We must defeated a plasticplate under the screw.
Acrylglastops must be changed in other material. We will use POM (black or white).
Acrylglas can broken because the temperatures differences.





Informations about isolation.
We need dough first to conserve the card. At first, the card must be protect with dough. But the dough will be cold too, to the tecs. There, we must isolate the dough too, with Armaflex. Armaflex is one of the best insolator. I think its a safe way.
Furthermore we can regulate the tecs with an controlpanel. With the controlpanel we can regulate the coolingpower.
May be from 400W - 100W.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 02.09.12 at 00:37:09
Hello,
Come back :)
The front copperbaseplate is done:



New structur. 1mm to 0.3mm for cooler tecs. 4 hours of investement for this struktur. In the backcooler, same structur.

An electronics engineer draws up the control panel:



All provisionally done.

Here is the beauty:









In progress now...

Regards,

Trevormacro

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 16.09.12 at 03:21:30
Hi,

Some tests for the green color.





nb. the painter will paint again because the quality is bad.

What do you think?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by Tim on 16.09.12 at 12:02:08
Looks good, lots of work has gone into this.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 16.09.12 at 17:47:54

Tim wrote on 16.09.12 at 12:02:08:
Looks good, lots of work has gone into this.


Thank you

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 09.10.12 at 13:01:35
The green color is good now.









Soon the next step...

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 11.10.12 at 14:32:49
Preparing the card with plastik 70:



Preparing waterblocks:









Preparing the tec's:

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by Loeschzwerg on 11.10.12 at 19:06:20
Oh my good... you now killed the card :'( Plastik 70 can't be removed, it is meant for permanent protection.

YOU KILLED THAT VOODOO 5 6000!!!!

You should have used "LiquidTape" which isolates the card and protects it from condensate, but can me removed easily like a normal tape.

I simply don't know what to say...
 

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by goriath on 11.10.12 at 19:39:55

Loeschzwerg wrote on 11.10.12 at 19:06:20:
Oh my good... you now killed the card :'( Plastik 70 can't be removed, it is meant for permanent protection.

YOU KILLED THAT VOODOO 5 6000!!!!

You should have used "LiquidTape" which isolates the card and protects it from condensate, but can me removed easily like a normal tape.

I simply don't know what to say...
 


+1

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 12.10.12 at 10:43:27

Loeschzwerg wrote on 11.10.12 at 19:06:20:
Oh my good... you now killed the card :'( Plastik 70 can't be removed, it is meant for permanent protection.

YOU KILLED THAT VOODOO 5 6000!!!!

You should have used "LiquidTape" which isolates the card and protects it from condensate, but can me removed easily like a normal tape.

I simply don't know what to say...
 


Plastik 70 can be removed with acetone.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by Loeschzwerg on 12.10.12 at 12:28:58
I know this is something the description says, but it does not work that well with all the tiny parts the card is covered with. You've got also the problem that Plastik 70 is under every single memory pin... This is a mess.

Do me a favor and don't use Plastik 70 in the future and leave the other cards unmodded.

You are killing those very rare "hardware oldtimers" one by one. It's a shame and a hit in everybodys face who is searching for such a card.

New air cooling -> ok, it can be returned to original state
Watercooling -> ok, it can be returned to original state
Peltier and coating it with Plastik 70 -> very high stress to the GPUs and the whole card. Lifetime will decrease very fast because of the temperature difference. This Peltier experiment might be ok for a short test, but this could have been first checked on a normal 5500 if it works out on clock speeds at all. Removing Plastik 70 is also very difficult and chances are high to harm the card...

You could have gone for LiquidTape or for some special plasticine used for LN2 OC sessions.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 12.10.12 at 14:15:32

Loeschzwerg wrote on 12.10.12 at 12:28:58:
I know this is something the description says, but it does not work that well with all the tiny parts the card is covered with. You've got also the problem that Plastik 70 is under every single memory pin... This is a mess.

Do me a favor and don't use Plastik 70 in the future and leave the other cards unmodded.

You are killing those very rare "hardware oldtimers" one by one. It's a shame and a hit in everybodys face who is searching for such a card.

New air cooling -> ok, it can be returned to original state
Watercooling -> ok, it can be returned to original state
Peltier and coating it with Plastik 70 -> very high stress to the GPUs and the whole card. Lifetime will decrease very fast because of the temperature difference. This Peltier experiment might be ok for a short test, but this could have been first checked on a normal 5500 if it works out on clock speeds at all. Removing Plastik 70 is also very difficult and chances are high to harm the card...

You could have gone for LiquidTape or for some special plasticine used for LN2 OC sessions.


I will use the Tec card only for a short test to see what are the max o/c frequency and max marks on 3dmark01se.
I will never remove plastik 70 of my card.
No Risks to damage it !

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by Tim on 12.10.12 at 18:19:33

Loeschzwerg wrote on 12.10.12 at 12:28:58:
I know this is something the description says, but it does not work that well with all the tiny parts the card is covered with. You've got also the problem that Plastik 70 is under every single memory pin... This is a mess.

Do me a favor and don't use Plastik 70 in the future and leave the other cards unmodded.

You are killing those very rare "hardware oldtimers" one by one. It's a shame and a hit in everybodys face who is searching for such a card.

New air cooling -> ok, it can be returned to original state
Watercooling -> ok, it can be returned to original state
Peltier and coating it with Plastik 70 -> very high stress to the GPUs and the whole card. Lifetime will decrease very fast because of the temperature difference. This Peltier experiment might be ok for a short test, but this could have been first checked on a normal 5500 if it works out on clock speeds at all. Removing Plastik 70 is also very difficult and chances are high to harm the card...

You could have gone for LiquidTape or for some special plasticine used for LN2 OC sessions.


He's got enough of them. Does it really matter? I don't see how he's killing it? It's a card that will be used for peltier cooling, why would he want to get it back to the original state?  I like it, it's not messy, it's pretty classy actually. Looks great on the 6000. I didn't like the full block air cooling, but this is something else, a lot of money, and time spent on it, and not to mention nice looking too. Don't see what the problem is. People take 6000s too serious. They are nice cards but not rare to say the least. I could have had the same amount of cards he had if I had the money, so could almost any one on here.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by Loeschzwerg on 12.10.12 at 19:55:19
The cooler does look very good, indeed. It was done by someone who knows what he does :)

Attaching peltier elements to a rare card, without to know if it helps anything when it comes to OC, this my big problem. This should have been first tested on a normal 4500/5500 to see if the VSA100 does have more clock resources at all.

I think that the watercooling solution wasn't at it's limit and a simple voltage boost from 2,7 to 2,9v could have shown if the cores can be clocked higher. We know that the VSA100 are also able to work with 3,3v for a short time!

Why not test the watercooling v6k to it's limits first? Why start to mod another v6k without knowing that there is a benefit and do all this effort and waste the money (an the card...)? This is something I simple don't understand.

All those cooling modifications could've been done with just one card. You see the point?

Adding Plastik 70 here is just the top of the whole story, by the way. With just a little bit research in the web one could've found way better solutions than using this kind of stuff. This is my opinion.

Having enough v6k does not excuse overhasty actions ;)

Ok, from my side everything is said.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 13.10.12 at 14:58:18
Some pictures of plastik 70 on the card:

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 14.10.12 at 21:33:27
Better protection with epoxy:

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 15.10.12 at 15:05:10
TEC in action:

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 27.12.12 at 00:07:45
Hello,

The Control Panel:

















Let's start...






















Let's see if condensation occurs...







Next step for the next time...

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by gamma742 on 27.12.12 at 18:11:39
Totally Cool  8-)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 04.01.13 at 17:27:30
Test is done.
Card is not connected to the PC.

With 2 pieces 92mm for fans:



Half hour, my card is 12°C cold behind the GPU. Watertemperature 56°C. Roomtemp 24°C.
I need a very good radiator.

If I had 30°C watertemp, the card reach aprox. -14°C cold.
I need minimum a 480mm radiator to reach this temperature.

What do you think?

What is the VSA-100 temp in action? min temp and max temp for you?

Soon there is the test with my 3 DELTA fans 120 mm.
Any idea about the max frequency with my fans?

Thanks in advance.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by Kokohemmo on 05.01.13 at 02:26:53
Hi

First off all, awesome hardware you have made.

In my opinion, you do not need any peltiers behind the card.
It will be in frost ice anyway in behind just with front side peltiers.

Because you have so much peltier elements, it generates too much heat,
so water temperature will raise.


This is easy to test just unplug backside peltiers...

Regards
Kokohemmo

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by m14radu on 05.01.13 at 08:38:52
Did you run already the card 200@Mhz ?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 05.01.13 at 13:52:07
I don't have the card for the moment... but soon I hope...

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by Loeschzwerg on 14.02.13 at 11:18:01
http://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19157&whichpage=2


Quote:
Originally posted by voodoo5k6

[quote]Originally posted by goriath

[quote]Originally posted by voodoo5k6

[quote]Originally posted by Amigamerlin

Really Impressive job mate !!
Simply Fantastic !!!


Thank you Amigamerlin but when I have receieved the card there is no boot, black screen when I push ON :(
I am so sad.
I can't test it.
[/quote]

So let's make it clear: you're saying this card is not working anymore, right?
[/quote]

Right.
[/quote]

Thanks to Plastik 70 the card can't be repaired that easy  :( You can't even measure voltage and components... Hard to tell what got damaged.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 15.02.13 at 17:10:52
Hi,

Some pictures:











The card does not boot! when I plug in the powersupply and vga only without water or the tec connected.
On the motherboard I have error code A3 - beep beep!
A3: IDE enable (in the book)
What does this mean?

nb. perhaps the AGP connector is not very well connected with agp2pci adaptor.
Or the play-doh with salt is not good for the card.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by H-street on 15.02.13 at 18:44:53
Holy Crap!!! its ruined?  oh wow what a sad day... 

i think the projects are kindof neat, but i don't know if this price was worth it to lose a v5 6k :-/

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by m14radu on 15.02.13 at 19:09:07
did you try the card in a normal AGP 3.3V mobo ?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by Loeschzwerg on 15.02.13 at 19:13:45
The AGP contacts look bad, clean them with ethanol.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by gdonovan on 16.02.13 at 15:16:05

trevormacro wrote on 15.02.13 at 17:10:52:
nb. perhaps the AGP connector is not very well connected with agp2pci adaptor.
Or the play-doh with salt is not good for the card.


Salt and electric do NOT mix well, this is a bad thing.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by paulpsomiadis on 16.02.13 at 16:06:14
HOLY F@@K - WTH happened to that V5 6K? :o

That is some bad SH!ZNET right there! :-X

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 18.02.13 at 15:32:20

Loeschzwerg wrote on 15.02.13 at 19:13:45:
The AGP contacts look bad, clean them with ethanol.


I will have real ethanol tomorrow morning I think.
In my country it's very difficult to have ethanol.
I will clean the agp connectors front and back and I will let you know.
Thank you for the tip.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 18.02.13 at 15:35:39

gdonovan wrote on 16.02.13 at 15:16:05:

trevormacro wrote on 15.02.13 at 17:10:52:
nb. perhaps the AGP connector is not very well connected with agp2pci adaptor.
Or the play-doh with salt is not good for the card.


Salt and electric do NOT mix well, this is a bad thing.


I think water + salt is bad thing for electricity.
But salt without water not dangerous perhaps no?
The play-do is now very strong.
Is it possible to remove it without break some smd parts?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by Loeschzwerg on 18.02.13 at 16:33:10

trevormacro wrote on 18.02.13 at 15:32:20:

Loeschzwerg wrote on 15.02.13 at 19:13:45:
The AGP contacts look bad, clean them with ethanol.


I will have real ethanol tomorrow morning I think.
In my country it's very difficult to have ethanol.
I will clean the agp connectors front and back and I will let you know.
Thank you for the tip.


It doesn't have to be pure ethanol, you can also use something like nail polish remover (cheap and works well, but smells ^^). Use Q-tips to clean the contacts.

Plasticine or play dough contents water, otherwise it wouldn't be moldable. Why it got stiff? Well, this is because of the heat/cold that let's the water evaporate.

You should be able to remove the play dough since the card is covered with Plastik 70.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 18.02.13 at 20:21:26
@Loeschzwerg:

nail polish remove with acetone is good? to clean the agp connectors.
Is acetone dangerous to clean the agp connectors?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by gdonovan on 18.02.13 at 22:29:43

trevormacro wrote on 18.02.13 at 15:35:39:
I think water + salt is bad thing for electricity.
But salt without water not dangerous perhaps no?
The play-do is now very strong.
Is it possible to remove it without break some smd parts?


There is water in Play-do, it makes it elastic.

I suspect this will not end well but perhaps you will get lucky.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by goriath on 19.02.13 at 10:47:48

trevormacro wrote on 18.02.13 at 20:21:26:
@Loeschzwerg:

nail polish remove with acetone is good? to clean the agp connectors.
Is acetone dangerous to clean the agp connectors?


Acetone is what Loeschzwerg was referring to indeed.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by Loeschzwerg on 19.02.13 at 11:09:40
Yep, aceton is fine.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 19.02.13 at 13:55:55

Loeschzwerg wrote on 19.02.13 at 11:09:40:
Yep, aceton is fine.


I just received a container of ethanol (1L) and it smells like alcohol. is it good?
I just tried to clean the PCIexpress connectors of my old Nvidia GTX590. No problems, no damages.
I will do a test this afternoon on my TEC card.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 19.02.13 at 16:13:42
What is this brown color on play-doh?





There are play-doh even inside mini 4 vsa-100 powersupply.



Need to be extracted no?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by Loeschzwerg on 19.02.13 at 16:24:35
Could be discoloration from the red power cables, don't know how aggressive play-do behaves here.

Play-do shouldn't have contact to any pins or blank parts of the card! This could cause a short or oxidation. Remove it from the fan connectors and all other connections it comes in contact with.

Edit: Yes, you can use the alcohol, it is safe.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 19.02.13 at 16:25:52

Loeschzwerg wrote on 19.02.13 at 16:24:35:
Could be discoloration from the red power cables, don't know how aggressive play-do behaves here.

Play-do shouldn't have contact to any pins or blank parts of the card! This could cause a short or oxidation. Remove it from the fan connectors and all other connections it comes in contact with.


I will try but it's very hard because play-do is STRONG! without water inside :(
The hard part is to remove play-do from mini vsa power supply.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by Loeschzwerg on 19.02.13 at 16:29:19
Use a small slotted screwdriver or a small nose plier.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 19.02.13 at 17:16:11

Loeschzwerg wrote on 19.02.13 at 16:29:19:
Use a small slotted screwdriver or a small nose plier.


Play-do removed.

Here are the pictures.







Agp connector cleaned:

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 19.02.13 at 17:52:07
Resurection of my Voodoo5 6000 TEC...





Video:

http://youtu.be/VwwXaxENxns


She is in LIFE :)
Oh Yes...!!!

Thank you Loeschzwerg!

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by Loeschzwerg on 19.02.13 at 19:39:46
You're welcome ;) At least the card didn't get damaged on technical side.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by paulpsomiadis on 19.02.13 at 21:01:35
Cue Frankenstein laugh... ;)

"It's ALIIIIIIIVEEEEEE! - mwahahahahaha!" :D

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by rottentreats on 19.02.13 at 21:23:55
I've been quiet lately, but I must say I am glad to see the card is still functional! Keep up the good work!  8-)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by osckhar on 19.02.13 at 22:54:05
I am very glad to see card alive again.  8-)

Best regards,
Oscar.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by goriath on 19.02.13 at 23:17:46
I would run intensive test session...

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 20.02.13 at 10:37:12

Loeschzwerg wrote on 19.02.13 at 19:39:46:
You're welcome ;) At least the card didn't get damaged on technical side.


What is the best material to isolate the card against the freeze on all blanks smd parts?

This one or not?
http://www.cultura.com/gomme-mie-de-pain-grise,2862282.prd

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by Loeschzwerg on 20.02.13 at 11:06:28
Yes, you can use it :) This Knetgummi Eraser is very often used from overclockers (LN2 OC).

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 20.02.13 at 13:34:08

Loeschzwerg wrote on 20.02.13 at 11:06:28:
Yes, you can use it :) This Knetgummi Eraser is very often used from overclockers (LN2 OC).


How to convert it from powder to gum?
How to use it?

Thanks.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by Loeschzwerg on 20.02.13 at 18:35:27
It's no powder, it's already gum.

You can split it in little parts and put it back together how you like it.

Take a look at the pictures here:
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f138/how-richtig-isolieren-benchbros-612785.html

The same kind of eraser is used here.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 20.02.13 at 19:17:52

Loeschzwerg wrote on 20.02.13 at 18:35:27:
It's no powder, it's already gum.

You can split it in little parts and put it back together how you like it.

Take a look at the pictures here:
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f138/how-richtig-isolieren-benchbros-612785.html

The same kind of eraser is used here.


I just have them:







Is it good? no salt on these gums?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 22.02.13 at 16:06:47
Hi,

The gum is set on the card.
Is it enough?





With my delta fans I will not reach under 0° on TEC so no freeze no?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 28.02.13 at 16:51:58
First TEST with same system of my watercooling cards.

3DMark01se and Quake3 Freeze @166MHz in the first 5s.











The Watertemp 50°C is to high. (measured with IR lasergun)

The Tecs can be cool -22°C without heat. Better is 30°C watetertemp. But I need more radiatorsurfaces. 360mm radiotor is not enough big to cool well the water.
I have a thermalpower about 480W (400W for the tec cooler and 80 max in charge for the V5k6).
The 360mm Radiator is recommend about 200-300W for good watertemperatures. Better is, I get one more radiotor or much better 2 more. Or with a chiller I would have any better watertemperatures. May be below 20°C.
I let you know.

Any helps?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by Loeschzwerg on 28.02.13 at 18:09:04
My hint: Disconnect the peltier elements on the backside of the card, you won't need them anyway and it will save a lot of needed cooling power (radiator).

I bet at the moment the temperatures are much more worse than with default fans xD

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 04.03.13 at 18:58:03
I have baught this waterchiller.
Aquatuning recommend this one.

http://www.aquatuning.de/product_info.php/info/p2693_Durchlaufk-hler-Hailea-Ultra-Titan-1500--HC500-790Watt-K-lteleistung-.html

I hope I will receive it in good condition with DHL.
Anyone have experiences with waterchiller?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by ultima on 04.03.13 at 20:14:49
if you keep this up, you will "need" yer own powerplant to keep your card cool.

You overkill with the Peltier coolers, and because they generate too much heat, you throw in another cooling solution to battle that.....dude, where does it end??

If you keep this up, you will spend more on cooling stuff for the 6000 then the card itself has cost you.

Seeing you like to throw money in an bottomless pit, can I give you my bank account? I can put it to a whole better use then you are doing right now.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 05.03.13 at 10:43:51

ultima wrote on 04.03.13 at 20:14:49:
if you keep this up, you will "need" yer own powerplant to keep your card cool.

You overkill with the Peltier coolers, and because they generate too much heat, you throw in another cooling solution to battle that.....dude, where does it end??

If you keep this up, you will spend more on cooling stuff for the 6000 then the card itself has cost you.

Seeing you like to throw money in an bottomless pit, can I give you my bank account? I can put it to a whole better use then you are doing right now.


How many watts produce one VSA100 on a V5k6 in full charge?
Tec on gpu produce 36 Watts.

History:

On the frontside:

4 tec of 36W for gpus and 3 tec of 18W for sdrams.

144 + 54 = 198Watts

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/20780084y3.jpg
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/49351671y4.jpg

On the rearside:

3 tec of 18W.

=54Watts

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/20350942y6.jpg
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/17825149y7.jpg

In all = 252Watts TEC on the card + 100Watts max for the V5k6 = 352Watts

The waterchiller is for 790Watts with max low temperature of 4° C.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by ultima on 05.03.13 at 11:06:33
so you place a cooling solution on a card, which just barely goes over the agp power specs, which in itself generates over 300W of heat, which u=you are going to battle with a cooler specced for 790W?

the 6000 in total uses somewhere between 50W and 60W, you slap on peltiers for 300W, which then you are going to cool with a 790W specced cooling solution?
Why don't you remove the peltiers and just go for watercooling? much more efficient in this case, you are giving yourself a powerbill that you are not gonna like if you keep this up.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 05.03.13 at 11:24:22

ultima wrote on 05.03.13 at 11:06:33:
so you place a cooling solution on a card, which just barely goes over the agp power specs, which in itself generates over 300W of heat, which u=you are going to battle with a cooler specced for 790W?

the 6000 in total uses somewhere between 50W and 60W, you slap on peltiers for 300W, which then you are going to cool with a 790W specced cooling solution?
Why don't you remove the peltiers and just go for watercooling? much more efficient in this case, you are giving yourself a powerbill that you are not gonna like if you keep this up.


These waterblocks are only adaptables with tec.
The waterblock of my tec card does not work without tecs, because I dont have thermal contact.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by goriath on 05.03.13 at 15:29:54

ultima wrote on 05.03.13 at 11:06:33:
the 6000 in total uses somewhere between 50W and 60W



If I remember correct 65W for the v56k, 35W for the v55k.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 05.03.13 at 15:38:14

goriath wrote on 05.03.13 at 15:29:54:

ultima wrote on 05.03.13 at 11:06:33:
the 6000 in total uses somewhere between 50W and 60W



If I remember correct 65W for the v56k, 35W for the v55k.


And about the VSA100? how much? in charge.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by ultima on 06.03.13 at 07:49:48
65W devided by 4, roughly 15W per chip.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 07.03.13 at 20:46:26
Here is the waterchiller package with accessories ready to be shipped.



nb. Marc will ship on wednesday from deutchland because it's a massive package (more than 30 kg).

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by ultima on 08.03.13 at 07:46:19
can I ask how much you've spent so far on your V5 6k adventures?

13 cards x let's say 1500 euros (average) = 19.500

And then a lotta cooling, cost.......??

sounds like you have waaayyy to much money on your hands, time to gimme some :) (will take a 6k as downpayment. LOL )

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 08.03.13 at 09:46:37

ultima wrote on 08.03.13 at 07:46:19:
can I ask how much you've spent so far on your V5 6k adventures?

13 cards x let's say 1500 euros (average) = 19.500

And then a lotta cooling, cost.......??

sounds like you have waaayyy to much money on your hands, time to gimme some :) (will take a 6k as downpayment. LOL )


I can't say you the price but it' a lot of money and during a long time (more than 10 years).
My coolers cost a lot too.
I don't want to sell one of my cards.
If one day I want to sell one common 3700A, the price will be high like more than 3500 euros for one card.
If nobody in private want to buy it I will use ebay.
Regards.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 09.03.13 at 02:39:09
@all:

Do you think the 36W of one tec on the gpu are well suited?
if vsa100 use 14W max.

Thanks in advance.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by ultima on 18.03.13 at 07:57:24
to keep it short: NO.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 18.03.13 at 13:15:13

ultima wrote on 18.03.13 at 07:57:24:
to keep it short: NO.


I don't understand!
Explain me in details please?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by ultima on 18.03.13 at 14:04:44
In my opinion, if you need to be explained why they are not suited well, then I wonder if you even should be tampering with this kind of cooling.

this way your giving off signals you just buy stuff cause you think it is cool, no matter what the cost and later on you come asking here if you should've done that in the 1st place.

This is the last I will say about it, this so-called project in my opinion is nothing more then an idea gone totally overboard in every aspect

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by paulpsomiadis on 18.03.13 at 23:40:15
I'm with @Ultima... :P

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 19.03.13 at 12:30:57
If one VSA 100 use 14W,
how many watts of the tec unit I need to cool well the gpu? 36W or more?
What are the best tec unit in watts to cool one gpu?
Seems to be hard for you to answer this question.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by ultima on 19.03.13 at 12:41:04
nope, just tired of doing the research for you, there is such a thing as Google you know, ever heard of it?
if you don't know what to do with the stuff, don't use it.

that was really the last thing I will say about it

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 19.04.13 at 19:05:39
Waterchiller received:





I hope it work...
Not tested yet.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 28.04.13 at 20:44:50
Second test:



Video:

http://youtu.be/uWBq2bsgsbM

Some water droplets on the protection...

In the room I have a temp of 27°.
The hot side of tec is about 30° like the water temp with waterchiller.







When I run Quake3.exe, I have this screen:



nb. with Deltas fans, I have the game just run 1sec and after freeze.
Perhaps I need to reinstall drivers or test the card in single mode to see if it work...

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by m14radu on 28.04.13 at 21:03:33
the picture form quake is not visible.
error message ?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 28.04.13 at 21:15:53

m14radu wrote on 28.04.13 at 21:03:33:
the picture form quake is not visible.
error message ?


Re-uploaded.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by m14radu on 28.04.13 at 21:33:46
seems to be a resolution or driver/opengl32 problem.
Reinstalling the drivers should fix that.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 09.05.13 at 19:22:07


nb. I have unmount the tec cooler of the card and clean a little. Just a little boot test.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by m14radu on 09.05.13 at 19:54:12
is the card running well ?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 09.05.13 at 20:44:29

m14radu wrote on 09.05.13 at 19:54:12:
is the card running well ?


Just see the Bios passed without fan.
I want to put a small fan in front of the card to see if the benchmark run just 1 sec. Is it possible without damage the card or not?
If the card run well I have my idea about cooler with my waterchiller :)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Peltier Watercooling 2nd
Post by trevormacro on 10.05.13 at 15:29:04
Mount old waterblocks from my 3,5ns:



Quake 3 Timdemo 1 run without water :)

http://youtu.be/DqmgeP-xdI0

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