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Komponent Senior Member Offline 3dfx modder Posts: 282	Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram Reply #30 - 05.12.13 at 05:58:36 Yes, Voodoo4 AGP from 32 to 64Mb is the easyest mod. Just solder 4 more chips (8Mb) in the empty spots and flash the BIOS with the modded one.
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RaptorZX3 Full Member Offline Canadian 3DFX user Posts: 218 Montreal, Quebec (Canada) Gender:	Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram Reply #31 - 05.12.13 at 07:34:32 you need to be extremely good with soldering though. (i really suck at soldering) And you might need to change all the RAM chips so all of them are from the same brand and speed. I would prefer to get someone to make me this mod, while providing the stuff needed.
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Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram
Reply #32 - 05.12.13 at 07:48:27

RaptorZX3 wrote on 05.12.13 at 03:49:30:

i don't care about anti-aliasing, i want to keep the best performance possible without adding to the useless "eye-candy". I had to switch from 32bit to 16bit color for Q3A to get better performances out of my Voodoo5, considering that 32bit was pretty much new at the time, so not that good for performances for new techs...

that has more to do with the hardware behind it then the voodoo card itself I think.

Haven't gotten around to testing yet, but me thinks that if I cranck up FSAA on my V5 pci in a 66Mhz pci slot, I will still get decent framerates.

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Reply #33 - 05.12.13 at 09:56:43

i use a Pentium 4 1.6Ghz Northwood (512kb cache), 512mb DDR266, Windows98SE with latest unofficial patches, V5 with latest stable official drivers, Diamond MX300 sound card...with a good power supply and good cooling as well, including 2x chipset coolers with thermal paste put on those things (what's the name of those again?) on the back of the V5's GPUs to help even more with the cooling.

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ultima God Member Offline Always searching Posts: 876 The Netherlands Gender:	Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram Reply #34 - 05.12.13 at 10:47:56 altho the P4 1.6 should be more then enough, it is well known that P4's were pretty crappy in regards to games, especially compared to AthlonXP / Athlon64, even the P3 1.4-S would probably outrun the P4 by a small margin But what is the framerate you are getting without FSAA on the voodoo4 and 5?
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Reply #35 - 05.12.13 at 11:57:32

well with Dethkarz it's always 60fps, in the benchmark it's often over 100fps, and everything's maxed. except no anti-aliasing. NFS4 run great with full details even with a lot of transparent dust/smoke around while racing.

Pretty much all games run smoothly (except some which run on older Glide and older PCs better like Pod).

But at the time, i did had some framerate problems as well with a Geforce2 MX 32mb, i was able to put 32bit colors in games but i had a major framerate drop because this feature was still new and required more video RAM (kinda like the DirectX11 with the geforce 400 series, and then improved a lot with the 500 series).

But for those kinds of games, there's almost no difference between 32bit and 16bit colors, so it's alright for me. I had a 1.7Ghz Willamette (256kb cache) on this board before, but after finding a 1.6Ghz Northwood, i switched to this one because of the 512kb cache.

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Reply #36 - 05.12.13 at 13:19:43

If some one is interested to mod his card. I recommend to use the old technique to solder pin by pin. It is slow process but very effective thecnique. Work is very clean and if you learn fast each mod will be much more easy. Using the tech solder pin by pin card is not stressed as tsop. Very important.

Starts for a V4-4500 agp is very good idea. Easy mod with not wires needed for connect signs.

Good luck guys!

ps. komponent, amazing project you did with V4-4500 @128Mb- did you used high resolution with fsaa enabled to see if you can reach resolution not reached for moded @64Mb? For example in Quake3?

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Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram
Reply #37 - 05.12.13 at 14:41:41

RaptorZX3 wrote on 05.12.13 at 03:49:30:

i don't care about anti-aliasing, i want to keep the best performance possible without adding to the useless "eye-candy". I had to switch from 32bit to 16bit color for Q3A to get better performances out of my Voodoo5, considering that 32bit was pretty much new at the time, so not that good for performances for new techs...

Performances are drivers and system dependant.
But if you don't care about FSAA, plug in a Geforce2/3 to play Q3A instead Tongue

RaptorZX3 wrote on 05.12.13 at 09:56:43:

i use a Pentium 4 1.6Ghz Northwood (512kb cache)

I have stopped to read here.
P4 1.6GHz (512Kb) NorthWood means FSB 100MHz (400MHz QDR).
In this case a PentiumIII with 133MHz FSB could do better Tongue

Try to put a P4 with 133MHz FSB (533MHz QDR) just for a start. What motherboard are you using?

BTW, the higher is the FSB clock, the better performance you get with the Voodoo5. For this reason, aside from compatibility, to use an Athlon platform with 166MHz FSB is always preferred.

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Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram
Reply #38 - 05.12.13 at 14:59:33

goriath wrote on 05.12.13 at 14:41:41:

RaptorZX3 wrote on 05.12.13 at 03:49:30:

i don't care about anti-aliasing, i want to keep the best performance possible without adding to the useless "eye-candy". I had to switch from 32bit to 16bit color for Q3A to get better performances out of my Voodoo5, considering that 32bit was pretty much new at the time, so not that good for performances for new techs...

Performances are drivers and system dependant.
But if you don't care about FSAA, plug in a Geforce2/3 to play Q3A instead Tongue

RaptorZX3 wrote on 05.12.13 at 09:56:43:

i use a Pentium 4 1.6Ghz Northwood (512kb cache)

I have stopped to read here.
P4 1.6GHz (512Kb) NorthWood means FSB 100MHz (400MHz QDR).
In this case a PentiumIII with 133MHz FSB could do better Tongue

Try to put a P4 with 133MHz FSB (533MHz QDR) just for a start. What motherboard are you using?

BTW, the higher is the FSB clock, the better performance you get with the Voodoo5. For this reason, aside from compatibility, to use an Athlon platform with 166MHz FSB is always preferred.

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goriath God Member Offline Ruggedized Retro Gamer Posts: 599 Italy/Slovenija Gender:	Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram Reply #39 - 05.12.13 at 15:04:19 I wanted only amicably provoke him (I hope he won't take it bad) But to my side, what's the point to keep a napalm card into a system if you aren't interested to enjoy FSAA in all its glory?
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Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram
Reply #40 - 05.12.13 at 21:46:22

i use a DFI PM12-TL
http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-DFI/PM12-TL.html

Seem like i'll have to look for a 2.8Ghz 533FSB then.

And so far, the only AMD boards (Socket 462) i own only have AGP 4x/8x, so i can't use my V5 on them. And i have no P3 board with Tualatin core support.

After checking on Ebay...there's no way i'm gonna pay 15$+ for a P4 2.8Ghz CPU! (7-8$ shipping to me for the least expensive one)

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goriath God Member Offline Ruggedized Retro Gamer Posts: 599 Italy/Slovenija Gender:	Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram Reply #41 - 06.12.13 at 01:06:21 https://web.archive.org/web/20081022221118/http://www.dfi.com.tw/Support/Downloa... Be sure to have the latest bios installed before to go for the upgrade if you haven't already
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RaptorZX3 Full Member Offline Canadian 3DFX user Posts: 218 Montreal, Quebec (Canada) Gender:	Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram Reply #42 - 06.12.13 at 01:55:15 well...after checking in my box of CPUs...i DO have this CPU! so yes, before changing it, i did the BIOS update. Now it have an ugly splash screen image i don't know how to remove... (it doesn't give me a choice in the BIOS)
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Reply #43 - 06.12.13 at 03:13:22

Checked the manual for the option to disable the splash screen but didn't find any: https://web.archive.org/web/20040204005120/http://www.dfi.com.tw/Upload/Manual/p...

Maybe the settings is joined with the Quick Power On Self Test option? Try to disable it to allow the system to do a full run of memory test at boot up, maybe this way you'll are able to get rid of the splash screen at the same time, only a guessing...

As for the rest? Is it working fine?

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RaptorZX3 Full Member Offline Canadian 3DFX user Posts: 218 Montreal, Quebec (Canada) Gender:	Re: The cards that use TSOP86 ram Reply #44 - 06.12.13 at 04:41:42 so far it seem to be just fine, tried Quake 2, Quake 3, GLQuake, Project IGI, and VoodooLights. For some reasons i can't see the CPU temperatures and fans speeds on this board, but it seem to be fine, with all the cooling i've put in, i don't think it's going to overheat.
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