I own a 3dfx Voodoo 4 4500 which has a PCB date of 3900... think this is very late for a 3dfx-own card, is it? Does somebody else owns a 4500 with this PCB Date or even more late?

( I know that Powercolor and other companies made Voodoo4's even more late but that doesn't matter here ;) )

Another question: Is it known that 3dfx placed also Daytonas   (VSA101) on 4500 cards? or only on very few 5500...? Is it possible to detect a daytona by a late PCB date or where these VSA101 soldered also on "young" 5500 PCBs?

I don't think so since the Daytona chips have dfferent pinouts and other memory support.

the latest Voodoo4 4500 PCI and MAC4500 PCI + DVI I have seen were both Rev.A's From week 37 year 2000, the latest 4500 AGP I've ever seen was a Rev.A0 from week 33 year 2000. there are also Rev.A0's from week 35 year 2000 spotted, but if your 4500 is from week 39  year 2000 rather funny that it's not a prototype then.

do remember that not all prototypes have NFR tags on them.

huh? think you messed up  ;)

my card is 3900 and not 3999  ;D its definatly a production card... it has the 3dfx fan decal (not the aavid)

and actually there are VSA101 on generic voodoo 5 5500 boards! someone at 3dcenter.de owns one... it can do 200Mhz+  8)

but nevermind, i will put it in my test rig now. i have read that the everest software can read out if its a VSA100 or VSA101...

OMG!

it says VSA101...









































... just joking ;) Everest says VSA100 napalm...

but can you trust in this software?

Please re-read my post before you complain...


wrote on 02.05.06 at 20:59:27:

the latest 4500 AGP I've ever seen was a Rev.A0 from week 33 year 2000. there are also Rev.A0's from week 35 year 2000 spotted, but if your 4500 is from week 39  year 2000 rather funny that it's not a prototype then. Do remember that not all prototypes have NFR tags on them.

I did state Week 39 year 2000 didn't I ::)

yeah Obi but just imagine a V4 4500 prototype in 3900!!!! thats not possible! Cards were ready for the market in 1900-2500... why make a prototype of a one of a million V4 with this late date ;)

but lets wait what others say about date, and even more interesting for me the questions about VSA101...

it might be a woops, but a 4500 of week 39 year 2000 is very well possible since that the Voodoo4-2's relay from week 30 to week 46 of year 2000 and Voodoo5 6000's from week 07 to week 39 of year 2000, so it is verywell possible that your cards is from week 39 year 2000 as a final production model from the 39th week of 2000 as the latest production model after that week no more 4500's were built, thereby production stopped.

it IS actually possible since i own one hehe  ;D

yeaps it ism unless it was a woops that 3dfx meant to put week 35 or 37 on it instead of week 39 hehe

what is it's Bios?

no i don't think so... i will pop off the heatsink and look what date the VSA100 (or hopefully VSA101 ;) ) has...

erm Bios 1.15

hmm Bios 1.15 seems normal heh same bios as my Voodoo5 5000 AGP sweet :) that's cool.

I hope it's a VSA-101 too mate :)

VSA100 as expected...

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/8508/dsc027709xe.jpg

but anyways, there is a woops i think at that "TAIWAN 1z01"

nearly on all other voodoos is printed "TAIWAN 1001"

Daytona has different pin out, the PCB is not interchangable.

so there are no generic 5500 out there with VSA101 onboard?

VSA-100 and a 1/2 then...LOL! ;D

But that sure is a whoops on the VSA chip... ::)

...maybe it just reflects a late rev. of VSA-100 ???

wrote on 02.05.06 at 23:22:39:

so there are no generic 5500 out there with VSA101 onboard?

Nope.

I talked to Hank about it, he indicated the VSA-100/101 are not pin interchangable,

someone at 3dcenter claims he has a VSA101 based V5 5500 because he can reach 200Mhz without mods and no special cooling. He says the coolers of the card stay cool, the backside too... when i touch the backside of one of my 5500 running at 192Mhz+ its very hot... but maybe the coolers of his card fits good and mine not... when i think of that crappy glue with sometimes "holes of air" in it...

and gary, what about that late PCB date of my 4500... is it common? do you have seen a 3900 PCB Date for a 4500 yet?

wrote on 03.05.06 at 08:57:03:

someone at 3dcenter claims he has a VSA101 based V5 5500 because he can reach 200Mhz without mods and no special cooling.

I can claim I have a 400 mhz Rampage board too with 256MB DDR ram.

If the chip is not pin compatible then Daytona on a VSA-1000 5500 PCB is impossible.

I'd have to check the PCB of a few of my 4500's, I don't recall off hand.

i will talk to gohan (the guy with the 5500 w/ vsa-101)...maybe he can give us some pics...

of course i believe in hank's statement...but it would be cool to see a vsa-101 on a 5500...

i also sent him a PM already. i wanted to know the PCB Date of his card... still no answer yet.

there is no way a 5500 can support the vsa-101, wasn't the Daytona not SLI compatible?

wrote on 03.05.06 at 22:37:30:

there is no way a 5500 can support the vsa-101, wasn't the Daytona not SLI compatible?

Word here is about the ordinary 5500(vsa-100) PCB not having VSA-101 compatible pinouts.

And afaik the VSA-101 has all of the VSA-100 features + DDR support (and possibly some other features I don't know of) so basically yes, it can work in SLI. (but on a proper VSA-101 PCB) ;)

and what about the 3900 dated PCB on my 4500... anyone else out there with this date... please have a look collectors  ;D

Can't help much but here's what I have 2x3100 dates and a 3700, this one's chip has also 3700date and the thingy in the last row sais "taiwan 1501"

hmm so noone here with a 3900 PCB Date?

first v4-card i heard about 3900..

an uncommon common card ;)

hehe right...

... so the card has the right to keep it in my collection  ;)

wrote on 06.05.06 at 19:56:28:

... so the card has the right to keep it in my collection  ;)

no...you have to send it to me...i will give you my address via pm :P

Quote:

no...you have to send it to me...i will give you my address via pm  :P

LOL! ;D

hmm some pics of this nice card would be great to obtain TM30 :)

let us see it's PCB date as well as PCB Revision :)

urm, erm, oueff oueff

i cannot...

it was only a fake








just joking ;) will do some pics today or tomorrow, but don't expect anything special (except of the printed PCB Date ;) )

hmm tomorrow is kinda a long time ago lol  ::)

this is it:

http://3dfx.ch/gallery/d/13938-2/1.jpg

http://3dfx.ch/gallery/d/13940-1/2.jpg

ah thank you, looks sweet hehe without it's cooler nice cam you got there too 8)

But how can i see if it's a VSA-101 of a VSA-100 TM30?

VSA101 has 355-028-00 written on it...

gary said, its imposible that 3dfx used VSA101 on generic Voodoo 4/5 PCBs...

Different Pin-out on the GPU's.

If the pin out was the same, I assume 3dfx would have had the Daytonas up and running sooner.

aha okay thanx guys :)

@TM30

Is this the V4 4500 VSA-100 3900 PCB Date Card?

yes! i just forgot to make a picture of the backside...

would be nice to see  IF that is  possible ;)

there is nothing special on this card... so i do not think that it's neccesary...

just to see the PCB Date :) that's all :)

you don't believe me? do you?  ::)

why the heck should i lie  ???

I just asked for a pic lol ::)

didn't meant to upset ya or so,

it's like what Bounty Hunter Han Solo would say as a reaction of your comments:

Hey! Don't Get Excited!" ;)

_{From StarWars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back.}

It isn't funny, liek at all. ya know.

wrote on 08.05.06 at 16:27:08:

don't expect anything special (except of the printed PCB Date ;) )

Well let's see the the special part ???

maybe.

at this time i do not have time for voodoos...

Make Time then there is time! ;D

We would like to see it now hehe, since a Rev.A0 3900 for a regular 4500 AGP isn't a common thing.

A. First you say you forgot to make a foto, which hasn't got to do with no time right?

B. Then you say it isn't needed so that would mean it's not a 3900? for some people it would be hard to believe then right ? I think so, as do many others.

C. And now you say Maybe! though no time for Voodoos so no pic, sorry but stop playing with us like this, it isn't polite.

I hope we will see it one day like we still miss the Velocity 200 pics from you aswell  :-/

Well maybe he miss-read the card ???

3700 does look a bit like 3900 :-/ At first glance ::)

yeaps, people happen to make mistakes from time to time true there :)

oh well 3700's of model 4500 AGP aren't that common either the most I've seen had dates 3500, 3300 and 3000 on them :) though a few did have 3700 yes  hehe.

lol, unbelievable, simply unbelievable ::)

but what now? could i have faked it? hehe i am so evil  :o

Be careful, its a Trap, when you look at the image  :o :o

http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/1874/dsc028856ql.jpg

Nope, I'm convinced. From the look at the location of the VGA port, it looks like a V4 to me :)

it's just your way of hard do'n sometimes and yes that can irritate some people, but nevermind it's okay now

Anyways we are all different no offense here man

anyways it's a 3900 allrighty and the date is placed on a whole different spot as well.

its just stupid that you guys do not believe me!

why the heck should i lie by saying "i have a 4500 with 3900PCB"


why should i do this? WHY?

Time to step away from the keyboards on this subject guys, I think it's getting a bit heated for no particular reason.

I'm sorry :-[

Things have been a little slow lately and It's not every day I get to see a rare card like this.

Since I'm not lucky enough to own one myself :-/ It's always nice to see the pics.

No harm intended. I'd like to see more rare cards, that's all ;)


I think we all like to see the rare ones here if people don't mind sharing.

oh well let's go'n on my friends like Bob Marley say's :

You see men sailing on their ego trips
Blast off on their space ship
Million miles from reality
No care for you, no care for me

So Much Trouble In The World

mmmkay...now to cool everyone down... ::)

[injects liquid nitrogen into the forum] ;D

'kay - we're kewl now! 8)

keep it cool i'd say like thid guy does :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYgzX0bWtSY&mode=related&search=Bob%20Marley%20is%20this%20love

he does have The Marley feeling nice and cool :)