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The S3 SAVAGE 2000 & The Latest S3 Designs (Read 863 times)
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The S3 SAVAGE 2000 & The Latest S3 Designs
30.07.05 at 13:00:57
 
In this topic we are going to discuss S3's API that's S3 MeTaL.

S3 made other great things also, Texture Compression and TransForm & Lighting aka T&L.

The S3 Savage4 was the first to bear S3TC and the S3 Savage2000 was the first to bear S3TL, T&L originated from S3 and not nVidia aka NV.

NV kinda stole everybody's designs, it still hurt's my eyes to see them still around, I liked 3dfx, S3, ATi and Matrox more than ever and even nowadays I would choose for ATi, Matrox or S3 maybe XGi if they improve, because they are the Underdogs still do'n thier jig.

Oh not to forget S3 MeTaL that API looks frikk'n great with Unreal Tournament 1999, man it's a shame that S3 MeTaL didn't get further. I still Play UT 1999 with my S3 Savage 2000 with the S3 MeTaL API, it looks way better than D3D or OpenGL, 3dfx Glide has it;s speciallity also, but if you like 32Bit Texture compression in UT 1999 S3's MeTaL is the way to go.

The bad news is that UT GOTYE 1999 is the only game that supports S3 MeTaL, Unreal 1 support's S3 MeTaL also with patch 2.26.

well here's my Card and it's boxed

Diamond Multimedia VIPER II Z200 AGP x4 32MB + S/Video -out & Composite TV-Out:
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The card:
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Box front:
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Box angled:
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Diamond Multimedia VIPER II Z200 AGP 32MB
Based on the S3 SAVAGE 2000 GPU.
128Bit Core @ 150Mhz
128Bit SDRAM @ 150Mhz
Single Pass Quad Texture Engine, the first ever btw.

here a comparison of the then current cards left & S3' SAVAGE 2000 right:
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here the Block Chart of the Savage 2000 GPU:
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here the tech specs:
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Re: The S3 SAVAGE 2000.
Reply #1 - 06.08.05 at 20:34:18
 
That's what I saw today. I saw that same card and had no freaking clue what it was. I thought it was a diamond rip-off of a GF2 32mb.

How do they compare to the likes of a GF2 GTS?
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Reply #2 - 08.08.05 at 18:16:16
 
well they both have T&L and S3TC maybe it's just a seller way to trick others, obvious I would of seen the difference right away, hehe the cards look totally different and thier structure is also alot different.

Diamond ViperII Z200 AGP x4 32MB:
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Hercules 3D Prohphet2 GTS 32MB DDR:
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Hercules 3D Prohphet2 GTS 64MB DDR:
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Reply #3 - 25.09.05 at 18:34:50
 
Savage chips, I really like them all!
Such a shame really that NVidia killed everybody: 3dfx, S3, and Matrox and the Xabre chip that almost nobody has heard of and so on...
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Reply #4 - 25.09.05 at 19:50:26
 
Well, it seems like S3 is going to try and regain some market share:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/s3-interview.html

IMHO it will be extremely difficult for S3 or any one else for that matter, but the market does need more competition.
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Reply #5 - 26.09.05 at 12:43:39
 
hehe I do have a feeling that S3 is gonna change the world of graphics, and after reading the entire artice , this was a very intersting point:

X-bit labs:

"Tell us a little bit about your Destination Generation products that should sport Shader Model 4.0 capability. When did you start the development? Is it more challenging to design a chip with unified pixel and vertex processors? What manufacturing technology will you use in late 2006 when the Destination products are supposed to arrive?"

Nadeem Mohammad:

"This architecture for this new generation has been in development quite a while, originally as part of our advance research group. This was well before any engagement in Microsoft on the DirectX 10 specification. I can not comment on any of the features or specification of this product family. I will say that I am personally very excited about this design – it will have features and capabilities which I have dreamed about since my first work on graphics processors back in 1987! 2006 year is going to be a milestone year for the entire graphics industry."


So Next year is gonna give us maybe some more room for choice Smiley I really hope that S3 makes it to thigh Enthousiast level, that would be great.

Nadeem Mohammad:

"As you can see from our demonstration our 90nm Chrome20 series products are alive and kicking, we do not anticipate any problems due to the process, clocks are hitting targets, power consumption is well within expectations, yields are acceptable – we’re in good shape."

here S3's Chrome 20 Prototype board:

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Man it looks sweet Grin

So at least that is the good news Tongue
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Reply #6 - 30.09.05 at 01:04:22
 
Heheheh! KEWL! 8)

Looks kinda like a blue Radeon 9700 Pro... Roll Eyes
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Reply #7 - 30.09.05 at 01:54:58
 
yeah  the layout surely does, though it does have a PCI-Express Connector, it would outrun a Radeon X800SE and GeForce 6800LE with ease Smiley

Anyway it's just another advatage to see S3 coming back to buisness again and also a greater advantage for the Main stream people, let's hope that S3 will make it to the High End sector also, because ATi and nVidia are the only one around in that area, to have S3 in that group would make that group more interesting also, then there is more choice instead of the old two.

Thanx to S3 we have S3TC and it's still being used which is cool Smiley
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Reply #8 - 30.09.05 at 08:22:21
 
The cooler is exactly an Oorb, but whit black instead of orange. Hum, since such a cooler was effective up to GeForce 3 cards more or less, I suppose the chip mustn't get too hot...
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Reply #9 - 30.09.05 at 11:20:20
 
It's a prototype, could be running below specs, thus not needing a big cooler.
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Reply #10 - 30.09.05 at 17:41:18
 
Sure, plus in the interview the guy says this card needs half the power than today's GeForces, very intriguing...
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Reply #11 - 30.09.05 at 23:23:21
 
yeps S3 still has the best low power GFX card around, very nice for low noise and power sufficiant systems Smiley

I just really hope S3 will make it to the quallities of Ati & NV, the more choices the better, so then the lower the prices @ the retail markets.
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Reply #12 - 12.10.05 at 00:59:16
 
S3 Savage 2000 (extreme edition) vs. Geri

1. round
-Power on
-Install the newest drivers
-Restart
-Windows hangs at boot
  S3 vs. Geri: 1:0

2. round
-install old drivers
-restart
-windows start
-dxdiag
-no correct z buffering
S3 vs. Geri: 2:0

3. round
-starting games in windows 98
(jetboat superchamps, tonny hawk)
games running good
S3 vs. Geri: 2:1

4. round
-starting games in WinXP
tonny hawk: blue death
unreal tournament: wrong colors with metal, opengl dont start, d3d dont start
S3 vs. Geri: 3:1

The winner is: s3! Congratulations!
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Reply #13 - 12.10.05 at 02:05:12
 
which drive did you use?
I used the Diamond ViperII S3TL drivers 1.09 under Win98SE, no corruptions what so ever.

strange that you get errors and so on.
is you S3 SAVAGE 2000 a 32MB model or 64MB model?
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Reply #14 - 12.10.05 at 20:05:53
 
dont remember, i think i used the latest 3 drivers for testing.
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