here a very nice preview of ATi's new weapon of mass destuction:D

Met ATi's R520XT aka ATi RadeonX1800XT 512MB GDDR3 1.26ns Front View :o :o :o
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/05-09-07/r520front_small.jpg
and Back View:
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/05-09-07/r520back_small.jpg

here a size comparrison of the ATI R520 VPU and a coin:
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2911/r520coin0wg.th.jpg
here info from Techpower:
http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?5127

and here some screenies from the Rev02 Prototype from a chinese site translated in to english at hkepc.com :)
http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/r520firstlook-e.htm

they used a whole different cooler here, like the one from the HISS Turbo IceQ II series:

from top to bottom:

nVidia GeForce 7800GTX
ATi Radeon X1800XT
ATi X850XT Platinum Edition
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/3715/nvatiati8el.th.jpg

..but they certainly took their time :P.at least it looks like its going to be worth it 8)

yeah I really think It's gonna be ATi's big comeback and I hope it's gonna be like the one with the good ole Raddy 9700 Pro :)

It's a shame that thier new card is so big, compared to the Radeon X800 and X850 series, thier new one is about 125% thier size!

Wouldn't buy it, R580 is already being tested :P

Nice!!

Didn't really want to bridge 2 cards together. I figured the next generation card would blow away the dual setup.

yeps with ease :) and ATi thinks about thier costomers also there is gonna be an AGP version of thier R520 & 580 also, hmmm how sweet of them to do that  :-*

wrote on 09.09.05 at 21:39:08:

yeps with ease :) and ATi thinks about thier costomers also there is gonna be an AGP version of thier R520 & 580 also, hmmm how sweet of them to do that  :-*

Yea Obi. The AGP version is nicked named Fudo.
The R520 has a clock speed of 600Mhz, a full 150Mhz faster than nVidia GeForce 7800. It's Memory speed is 1400Mhz gddr3. 32 Pipelines? atleast 24 thou

The Reason why I think ATI took so long is because their working on the Xbox 360, which is supposed to be released later this year, so it took longer. Thou I think this hurt ATI a little bit, but I'm sure people will buy that once they figure out its better by a noticable margin.

I myself I don't like PCI cards, unless it's on an old system and it's the Voodoo 1. I have a 16x pci express slot but I just don't like them. I hope ATI will release a all-in-woner R520 AGP. Well, anyways, I'm waiting for it to come out (Middle October, bout a month), so then prices on the ATI a-i-w x800 agp should drop.

I have a ATI 9800 Pro a-i-w agp, but it seems like within 3 months games won't be able to play. Like with HL2, back when it was 1st release the ATI 9800 Pro a-i-w played it flawlessly @ 1024x768 AAx4 AFx4 with 512mb ram, now I had to upgrade my ram in order to play near those levels, 1024x768 AAx2 AFx2 1gig ram in dual channel. It lags a tad, but barely noticable.

I never used nVidia, but if they make very fast card with a TV Tuner and AGP, I probably just might switch to them. ATI and ATI based cards are the only TV Tuners out there, so I stick with them.

BTW thanx for posting the screen shots.

yeah norries, The last best NV card made was thier GeForce4 Ti4600, and I still got it here, after that the bad stuff came, thier FX series aka GF5 series was a shock in life for the most people that had one, the GF6 and 7 series have lots of Image Quallity errors, something I have never seen on my previous and common state ATi cards like the 9700 Pro and 9800 Pro, okay not much difference between the R300 and R350 the only difference was that the R350 had HyperZIII+ and the R300 had just plain HyperZIII ;)

After the R350 I bought a Laptop with the Mobile R420 with 8pipes, 4 Vertex units and 110mil transistors aka the Mobillity Radeon 9800 with 256Bit 256MB DDRII 2.5ns from Hynx, it's actually an X800SE AGP in a Laptop, and yes it's very fast, I run HalfLife2 @ 1280 x 800 x32 FSAA x6 AF x16 with about 87 fps.

3 mounths after that the X800XT PE AGP was purchased for my Dual OpteronDP 244 system, a R420 with 160 Million Transistors, 16 pipes and 6 vertex units, it does about +65% the performance more of the MR9800 :)

Anyways the R520 XT PE AGP would be my main ATi aim , but I don't think it would be nessisary , since I have 2 very good working R420's in my backhand, though it would be nice to have ofcourse  8)

Okay Ati FanATics!!!

look at this, a review of ATi's ATi Radeon X1800XT !!! WHoo hoo Hoo!!

http://www.vr-zone.com/newspics/Sep05/11/X1800.jpg
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2666&s=1


Let's let the fun begin!

Radeon X1800 (R520) Series

▪ X1800 XT Crossfire Edition : 16 pipelines, 10vs, 650MHz core, 1400MHz memory, Composition Engine
▪ X1800 XT : 16 pipelines, 10vs, 650MHz core, 1400MHz memory
▪ X1800 Pro : 16 pipelines, 550MHz core, 1250MHz memory
▪ X1800 XL : 16 pipelines, 500MHz core, 1000MHz memory
▪ X1800 LE : 12 pipelines, 450MHz core, 900MHz memory

Edit:
the X1800XT and X1800XT CrossFire editons have 16 pipes and not 24 as I requested ! ;)

and over here we see that a single ATi X1800XT can score at default speeds a clean score of about 8600 points in 3D Mark05 with an A64FX 55 CPU setup 8)

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2667&s=1

" According to preliminary tests done by our friends at HKEPC, R520XT clocked at 650MHz core and 1400MHz memory will score ~8600 on 3DMark05 using FX-55, nearly 1K higher than GeForce 7800GTX at 430/1200MHz."

Now that is PURE PWNAGE!

I wonder how a CorssFire set would perform like :-X

Very nais!

I will keep everyone informed when new info arrises :)

Ati The Force Is With You ;)

Actually it seems ATi is left behind nVidias aggressive product cycle - 7800 series are in masses while r520 is only previewed. So this means when r520 will be out in masses, quite soon we can see nvidia throwing out a new generation.  People hate to wait (remember what happened to v5 vs gf2), and if ATi won't release a good value mainstream product line (as they had a failture with x series) they will simply loose market share.
Also, just look into history facts and you'll see how nvidia releases products - when ATi comes to take performance lead, nvidia releases a new product (or drivers) which instantly pisses them off. I guess, nvidia just keeps tech reserved, so they can kill easily everyone who comes to take the performace lead.

yeaps true, it is known that History does repeat it's self, you got point there R21vo ;)

But I think that ATi has also something nice up thier sleeves, thier R520 XT has only 16 pipes not 24 as listed above but it does have 10 vertex units and a 512bit crossed mem controller or something like that, and 1.26 ns GDDR3 @ 1400Mhz and really ATi has been famous of by doing more with much less.

in FS 2004 @ 1600x 1200 max details FSAA x4 AF x8 a single X800XT PE AGP with 16 pipes score about the same amount of frames per sec as a SLiSet of 2 6800 Ultra's those 6800U's have 16 pipes each and 222Mil transistors each while the ATi has 16 Pipes and 160Mil Transistors stand alone.

So I think that the X1800XT is gonna be a great thing, ATi is good at new things.

Well Yes nVidia also has some nice things but the overall difference between the 6800 and 7800 series is rather small.

the biggest difference is the TSAA effect with MSFSAA on the 7800 boards combined with HDR.

Just a smal improvement, it's not like major jumps from Voodoo Graphics to Voodoo2 or from TNT2 to GeForce 256.
The gaps just get smaller and smaller.

Hi Obi, I got some important info I search earlier about these top end cards.

ATI x800 has pixel shader 2.0b, but it can do HDR with 3Dc from ATI.

The ATI R520 has Pixel Shader 3.0 and fully supports HDR.

3Dc seems like a program hack. HDR is supported on Pixel Shader 3.0. GeForce 6800 has that, and a few others, not any from ATI yet.

I am now hesitant, should I go with the x1800? or the next one up to come, the R580, or stick with the x800 a-i-w agp I'm planing on buying? I'm a fan of TV tuner and AGP. I hope those options are available. I just don't like PCI express video cards.

well the GeForce 6800/7800 cards arn't bad either, they are best at OpenGL apps and the ATi X850/1800 cards are best at Direct3D Apps. the 7800GTX is great in HalfLife2 thanx to it's HDR with Multi Grid FSAA with TSAA ;)

it really depends what you do most.

first benchmarks... : http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1813.1/

No ATI Pwnage here...

... aswell as Crossfire only supports max resolution 1600x1200  @60Hz.... not really good

nope , true the 7800GTX has 24 pipes and in some tests the two are sopmwhat the same lol

sure thing, the gtx has more pipes but the r520 has 170Mhz more on GPU and 200Mhz on RAM...  ::)

so when ATI launches R520, nvidia will launch a higher clocked G70...

with new index, i guess it would be "gtx ultra" ? :D

wrote on 17.09.05 at 19:26:08:

first benchmarks... : http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1813.1/ No ATI Pwnage here...

That article is based on assumtions and unverified Data by 3rd party, done on an old Stepping of the GPU.

It was heavily discussed and the Author didn't adhere to common benchmark practises at all (he did not even have the card nor benched it himself it looks like)

Basically it's useless until verified by others, which seems possible but unlikely at this point.

what alot of people forget is that ATi's R580 is also ready ;)

That chip is ready for NV's G80 so Ati is always ready for a new attack.

And I agree with FalconFly totally. they wern't benchmarks but morely speculations on what might happen, so still no worthy test results.

R580... ready? LOL  ::)

ATI is hell out of ready...

Oh well I still go for 3dfx who wouldn't ;)

Yeah ATi got something nasty up thier sleeves so would nVidia, the are just throuwing mud at each other imho. :-/

Well, throwing mud get's my vote... ;)

...as long as they use girls in bikini's to do the throwing that is! ;D

well it's the saying I meant ;) but yeah some shela's without nikkers would be nice also lad ;)

haha nah yeah Ithink it's just a godless attack from both sides, morely in a bratty way ej.

wrote on 19.09.05 at 13:33:12:

That article is based on assumtions and unverified Data by 3rd party, done on an old Stepping of the GPU. It was heavily discussed and the Author didn't adhere to common benchmark practises at all (he did not even have the card not benched it himself it looks like) Basically it's useless until verified by others, which seems possible but unlikely at this point.

Looks like the writer is in hot water up to his neck.

http://www.driverheaven.net/showpost.php?p=680744&postcount=1

http://www.driverheaven.net/showpost.php?p=681628&postcount=1

exactly what I would believe also , as Tony Sanders wrote from ATi, Canada Sunnydale:

"UST GIVE US THE FACTS & LEAVE THE FICTION AT THE DOOR - WE WILL MAKE OUR OWN MINDS UP THANK YOU VERY MUCH

CONCLUSION: When it comes to R520 results, you should only believe journalists who have established a reputation for being trustworthy"

alot of BS around the world and lot's of idiots fall for that, which causes gossip and untrue statements.

Obi-Wan_Kenobi Do you by chance know if ATI will make a x1300 a-i-w? or a x1600 a-i-w? The x1800 is only PCI. I don't like PCI.

The x1600 looks nice thou. It's AGP and has better performance than x800. I hope ATI will make x1600 a a-i-w version. You tend to know a little of everything. I hope you or someone can tell me. Thanx.

hmm well I'm not so sure because that seems to be a rumor of The Inquierer. and the most rumors from that site did have thier side effects.

Well I still believe that there will be an All In Wonder of all models and the X1700 might come also , that one will get the RV580 core, but that is future stuff ;)

The X1800XT will be released in AGP flavour as far as I know and the best way to find out is to wait and see if ATi is gonna make that statement thier selves 8)

erm... ATI Pwnage? Availability of the x1800xt...

lol, nvida gives the right answer, and its available at stock  8)

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/nvidia%20geforce%207800%20gtx%20512mb_11140521121/9834.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/nvidia%20geforce%207800%20gtx%20512mb_11140521121/9829.png

*lol*

It is known that Fear currently suffers badly from a Driver incompatibility on the new ATI Cards, and add Aniso to the BF2 test, things are looking quite different again.

Basically ATI is on par with the latest NVidia Hardware, while offering superior IQ when using the HQ mode (and trading in some 10% of performance).

So it's true, no "pwnage" to be seen, although Drivers are at their initial stages, so we'll slowly begin to see the ATI Cards sneak ahead over the next months.

From the very same Website *g* :
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/ati/x1000/performance/bf2-aa.png

PS.
I smell alot of NVidia and ATI Fanboyism here ;)

Honest scoring :
- currently in favor for NVidia (cards are simply available and are cheaper)
- performance : will slowly turn over to ATI with present set of Hardware due to Driver improvements
- IQ : ATI wins hands down
- Drivers : Nvidia currently clearly ahead (will take ATI 1-2 months to fix their bugs)
- Noise level : NVidia wins with more silent Cooler design, ATI's cards (especially 1300 and 1600 series) too loud with current design

urm stop Falconfly,

i am not a Nvidia Fanboy, nvidia currently produces the better vga cards so i own a 7800GTX... but unfortunately my S939 Board is damaged so i am using a board without PCIe and currently have a Radeon9800XXL in it, and i like this card to. it performs very well for his age... okay, i have a FX-57 CPU that helps that 9800 a "little bit" ;)

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where is that 512MB 7800GTX with 580Mhz core and 1700+Mhz RAM... i cannot see it  ::)

and THIS card is available NOW, launched on Nov 14, available on Nov14... what about ATI? ::)

you showed me a picture with that "old" 7800GTX...

so i show you this:

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/NVIDIA/7800GTX512/bf2.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/nvidia%20geforce%207800%20gtx%20512mb_11140521121/9829.png

Oops, seems 7800 GTX isn't 7800 GTX, so you're right there.

Although arguably, ATI will likely publish some "golden sample" or alike as well... these Ultra-High end Cards are built in low numbers, only to take Benchmark records, be they ATI or NVidia ;).

My point was going towards the normal "stock" Cards intended for the masses, not those isolated "we can clock&sell a few cards higher if you pay enough" Editions.

Quite confusing though, I would have thought they'd label their 512MB "Expensive Speedy Edition" differently.

btw. checking the largest Resellers in Germany, I can only find the Cards as "Announced", "not in stock" or "delivery date unknown", so at least here it's available on Paper only as of now.

My money is on Nv having the upper hand for some time unless ATI pulls a rabbit out of it's hat.

Which I really doubt at the rate they have been going.

wrote on 18.11.05 at 23:08:52:

Oops, seems 7800 GTX isn't 7800 GTX, so you're right there. Although arguably, ATI will likely publish some "golden sample" or alike as well... these Ultra-High end Cards are built in low numbers, only to take Benchmark records, be they ATI or NVidia ;). My point was going towards the normal "stock" Cards intended for the masses, not those isolated "we can clock&sell a few cards higher if you pay enough" Editions. Quite confusing though, I would have thought they'd label their 512MB "Expensive Speedy Edition" differently. btw. checking the largest Resellers in Germany, I can only find the Cards as "Announced", "not in stock" or "delivery date unknown", so at least here it's available on Paper only as of now.

they are all sold out! they will get some new cards on Nov 24, alternate.de said so!

some freaks in hardwareluxx.de and of course xtremesystems.org already have such card... and OF COURSE in SLI configs ;)

and yes, nvidia only produces a small amount, or in other words they have to find good G70 Cores...

but ATI doesnt make it better... they REALLY do a paperlaunch with that XT card...

... and the XL is toooooooooo expensive for the performance. 7800GTX is the better alternative. or even 7800GT which is cheaper...

here in the Netherlands the Geforce 6800GT AGP & PCI is still the best price performance nVidia card and the ATi Radeon X800XT PE AGP/PCI is the best Price performance ATi card,  those 2 types are actually fast enough, if I had to choose from nVidia's G7 or ATi's R520 it would be ATi's R520 it just can do lots more with lot's less.

Do remember that the R520 only has 16 pipes and the G70 has 24 and in the most cases the R520 can easily keep up with the G70 and also in many cases even beat it while in other cases it's the other way around and if ATi used 24 pipes with thier R520 then the G70 would of been purified.

We might as well wait for ATi's R580, that VPU is gonna slaughter NV all the way, unless nV comes with thier G80 and then there you have it, the circle has turned once again, both compainies are actually throwing mud 'n' rocks 'n' sticks at each other, while the difference is actually so small, it's actully pointless to go on about the two.

I rather hope that Matrox, S3 & XGI come with something totally different, so tiered of choosing between ATi & nVidia, just want to see something else.