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Message started by Thandor on 07.09.05 at 16:34:04

Title: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx boxes.
Post by Thandor on 07.09.05 at 16:34:04
In this topic I want to discuss some retail boxes which are quite rare.

People are always talking about '3dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo 3 3000 AGP 'EU Retail' or 'USA Retail'
Many haven't even thought of the possibility that there's also a Japanse version of some retail boxes  :o

Since words don't tell as much as pictures do I'll start with some nice pictures  :)

Hey, what's that cool AMD K6-2 3DNow! thing on the right ?  :P
The 3dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo 3 3000 AGP 'Japanese Retail'  ;D
By seeing this picture you would say, what ? It's an ordinary box with some Japanese letters I can't read  ::)

Well, look how tiny and cute they are  :P

The boxes on the right are the Japanese versions.
Of course the images of the driver CD and the manual :

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/hotline/990522/image/pic13c.gif http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/hotline/990522/image/pic13d.gif
Click for larger image

Note- The Japanese boxes are a lot smaller, have a less beautiful driver CD and have Japanese letters everywhere :P.
As you can see there we're also USA versions sold in Japan. I don't know if there are much Japanese Retail Voodoo 3's. I do know that they exist  ;)

Show me more  ;D
Well, there are V3 3500TV 'Japanese Retail' boxes, too ;)
They came on the market on 9th October 1999.

If I'm not mistaken these cards we're made because in August 1999 a lot of cards we're sold which had incompatible software with the Japanese Windows '98. With the incompatible software the TV-Tuner did not function.

In some stores you even got some nice T-Shirt for free  ;D





But wait, there's even more  :)
I was pictures of a normal looking V3 3000 PCI. The text told me that it was a Japanese Version. Maybe there's a Voodoo 3 3000 PCI 'Japanese Edition' with small box as well. Let's hope so.

Alright, to the next discovery  8)
We all know the ASUS Motherboard that's bundled with an 3dfx Voodoo 3 ? Well, this one :


Yep, in Japan they've got a different box  ;D
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/hotline/990605/image/asusv32.gif http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/hotline/990605/image/asusv33.gif http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/hotline/990605/image/asusv34.gif
Cool isn't it ?
There are more cool things  :o




It's the A-Trend ATC6254 with onboard Voodoo 3 2000 and 16MB of SGRAM. The chipset is the Intel 440BX and the YMF740 chip will get you some nice sound ;)

There's also an ATC6254-3 which is fitted with a Voodoo 3 chipset. I don't have pictures of it but I assume it has a fan on the heatsink since the V3 3000 produces more heat.

Well, slighty offtopic but box related  :P (And a nice thing to know)
We all (I assume) have seen those 1337 3dfx boxes with a lot of 'white boxed V3 3500TV cards' inside it (on eBay).
Well, according to this picture 3dfx sended the first cards with old 'STB' boxes  ::)


And I also found a nice (but half-offtopic)picture  ::)

And yes, all the pictures shown here are quite old. But that doesn't make them boring  :P

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 07.09.05 at 17:09:27
hmm nice pic Thandor but the Atrend and ASUS Voodoo3 boxes , are not new to mne though, I've seen them like 4 years ago on some Abika site :P

the other ines are morely chinees version of the Voodoo3 3000 and 3500TV AGP cards, if you look carefully next to the Tawanese/Chinese V3 3K AGP box there is also a large Purple V3 2K AGP next to it ;)

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by Thandor on 07.09.05 at 17:16:13

wrote on 07.09.05 at 17:09:27:
hmm nice pic Thandor but the Atrend and ASUS Voodoo3 boxes , are not new to mne though, I've seen them like 4 years ago on some Abika site :P

These pictures are from Akiba, all around 1999

Quote:
the other ines are morely chinees version of the Voodoo3 3000 and 3500TV AGP cards, if you look carefully next to the Tawanese/Chinese V3 3K AGP box there is also a large Purple V3 2K AGP next to it ;)
AFAIK the big ones are USA ?
Though they have a sticker sticked on it with Japanese signs, the sticker is attached later. (It sticks over the sealing)

The small and cute (  :P ) versions are Japanese. I never saw any other pictures of the Japanese version. Does someone own it ?

From the same site :
Microstar MS-6168 (MSI)
440ZX, Voodoo3 (AGP,8MB)
ES1373 Soundchip




Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by exxe on 07.09.05 at 17:34:19



Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by edmundoab on 07.09.05 at 18:10:42
nice find thandor

never have I seen such a wide variety of 3dfx on board mobos

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by paulpsomiadis on 07.09.05 at 18:22:57
WHEEE! Muvver boardz... ;D

Actually I'm thinking of doing some bench mark testing of my Rev 2 MS-6168 this week... ::)

...anyone agree? ???

If so I will test thoroughly and post in a new thread! ;)

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by Thandor on 07.09.05 at 18:29:42

wrote on 07.09.05 at 17:34:19:



The first, a motherboard with Intel 440BX chipset ?. Which brand is it ?

The second is an A-Trend ? (Probably the Voodoo 3 3000 variant)

wrote on 07.09.05 at 18:10:42:
nice find thandor

never have I seen such a wide variety of 3dfx on board mobos

I never saw these pictures of the A-Trend motherboard.
I'm starting to like that board  ;)

The smaller 3dfx boxes are cool, too. I wonder if there are many of them left ?


wrote on 07.09.05 at 18:22:57:
WHEEE! Muvver boardz... ;D

Actually I'm thinking of doing some bench mark testing of my Rev 2 MS-6168 this week... ::)

...anyone agree? ???

If so I will test thoroughly and post in a new thread! ;)


It would be nice. I don't know how the onboard chip performs. Unreal Timedemo1 and 3DMark2000 will be interesting  :)

What kind of Voodoo3 chip is fitted on the MS-6168 ? (Clockfrequency, 8MB, 1 or 2 TMU's etc. ?)

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by exxe on 07.09.05 at 18:48:11

wrote on 07.09.05 at 18:29:42:
The first, a motherboard with Intel 440BX chipset ?. Which brand is it ?

The second is an A-Trend ? (Probably the Voodoo 3 3000 variant)
I never saw these pictures of the A-Trend motherboard.
I'm starting to like that board  ;)



i dont know
find both images with google a few month ago

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by frank-bao on 07.09.05 at 20:49:31
nice v3 3000 of japanese version

i have a chinese version of voodoo3 3000 with tv-out and the box is smaller than EU retail one which i have a bare box.

i want to know how much price the collector here can accept if you buy a unsealed voodoo3 3000 with tv-out which surely a japanese version...

i see a lot in china and anybody have intersts?

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by Chosen_One on 08.09.05 at 10:52:36
A-Trend ATC-6253M
A-Trend ATC-6254M
A-Trend ATC-6264M
Gigabyte GA-6BXM
Asus P3B-V (never released)

these are the boards! and i want a P3B-V prototype!!! ;)

nice pics thandor! especially the atrend box!

we need a japanese collector!

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 08.09.05 at 11:18:52
well We've got YIFY from China, Frank_bao from Phillipines and Edmundoab from Malaysia 8)  as our only Asian members maybe they could help us with the search ;D njah njah njah njah ;D

Uhm sorry I mentioned your names but hay you people live clossest to Japan ;)

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by frank-bao on 08.09.05 at 11:33:19
i am from china as yify ,,hehe.......... :P

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 08.09.05 at 11:40:36
owh woops lol  :P sorry Frank, didn't know that hehe

Well your site is abit slow, maybe a site like Surrimugge would be a better idea :)

Do you have a few of these srange boxes, if you do we would like to see them :D

P.S. Congrats with your V56K ;)

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by frank-bao on 08.09.05 at 11:50:08

wrote on 08.09.05 at 11:40:36:
owh woops lol  :P sorry Frank, didn't know that hehe

Well your site is abit slow, maybe a site like Surrimugge would be a better idea :)

Do you have a few of these srange boxes, if you do we would like to see them :D

P.S. Congrats with your V56K ;)


thanks very much.Obi-Wan_Kenobi...

yes.now in china there are some unsealed voodoo3 3000 with tv-out cards,you can see the pics below:




Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by frank-bao on 08.09.05 at 11:57:34

wrote on 08.09.05 at 11:40:36:
owh woops lol  :P sorry Frank, didn't know that hehe

Well your site is abit slow, maybe a site like Surrimugge would be a better idea :)

Do you have a few of these srange boxes, if you do we would like to see them :D

P.S. Congrats with your V56K ;)


i have e-mailed Surrimugge and no reply at all...i have no idea about that   :'(

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by paulpsomiadis on 08.09.05 at 23:47:15
@Thandor - benchmarks are as follows... :D

SYS. SPEC.

[Note, the computer is being used as a media centre on a TV in PAL 50Hz which may affect the results] ::)

MS-6168 Mainboard
Powerleap PL-i3T with 1.3GHz Tualatin Celeron
Built in V3 2000 8MB with TV-OUT
Built in AC97 sound [same chip as SB PCI128]
256MB RAM
6GB Quantum Bigfoot HDD

Running Win98... ;D
AmigaSport 2.9 Win9x Drivers ;D

All tests were run at 640x480 16bit Double Buffer for fair comparison (this is the MAX res. you can run 3D Mark 2001 SE at!) :P

Final Reality - 4.91 FR Marks
(Comparison to PowerVR PCX2 on same MB) - 4.02 FR Marks

3D Mark 99 MAX - 4585 3D Marks [16647 CPU Marks]

3DMark 2000 - 3727 3D Marks

3D Mark 2001 SE - 1150 3D Marks

++EDIT++

Unreal Tournament 436

timedemo of UTBENCH

@640x480 GLiDE = 36.98FPS
@800x600 GLiDE = 26.91FPS

Q3A Point 1.32

timedemo of FOUR

@640x480 (Default settings and 3DfxGL) = 45.8
@640x480 (Default settings & WickedGL) = 40.4

All timedemos were run 3 times for average scores.

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 09.09.05 at 11:30:57
Ureal ver 2.26 Final 1999,
Unreal Tournament Game Of The Year Edition Ver 4.36 Final 1999
&
Tactical Ops: Assult On Terror Ver 3.4.0 Final 2000.

They are more usefull that useless 3D Mark, they at least have 3dfx Glide, 3D3 is the onli API you tyested  :-/ , I think if you test the Voodoo3 2000 8MB onboard with the games it was designed for we would get a better view on how it would perform en 3dfx Glide and nit MS Dierct3D ...ieuw. :'(

3D mark is actually useless on a 3dfx card, because it's a D3D test, and not a Glide test, it only test's the card in D3D and not Glide, if You use DX6 based D3D games like StarWars Racer for example you wopuld get a better view of it's performance. 3D mark 2001 SE was made for Geforce3 and ATi Radeon 8500 cause it has Shader model 1.1 support and T&L.

And I have learnt that testing Vid cards in the apps you use normally all the time are much more usefull than a stupid 3D mark thing imho.

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by Thandor on 10.09.05 at 16:33:58

wrote on 08.09.05 at 23:47:15:
@Thandor - benchmarks are as follows... :D

SYS. SPEC.

[Note, the computer is being used as a media centre on a TV in PAL 50Hz which may affect the results] ::)

MS-6168 Mainboard
Powerleap PL-i3T with 1.3GHz Tualatin Celeron
Built in V3 2000 8MB with TV-OUT
Built in AC97 sound [same chip as SB PCI128]
256MB RAM
6GB Quantum Bigfoot HDD

Running Win98... ;D
AmigaSport 2.9 Win9x Drivers ;D

All tests were run at 640x480 16bit Double Buffer for fair comparison (this is the MAX res. you can run 3D Mark 2001 SE at!) :P

Final Reality - 4.91 FR Marks
(Comparison to PowerVR PCX2 on same MB) - 4.02 FR Marks

3D Mark 99 MAX - 4585 3D Marks [16647 CPU Marks]

3DMark 2000 - 3727 3D Marks

3D Mark 2001 SE - 1150 3D Marks

...sorry but no Unreal scores, there's enough stuff here anyhow! ;)
Wh00t and thanks  ;D

It looks like it performs good enough for an onboard chipset  :) . Too bad there only a few motherboards that used the V3 chipset.

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by BFG3dfx on 10.09.05 at 17:36:31
nice, i like to see that converter for the cpu works, i got a new bios chip and ram for mine, still ols cpu though, havent fired it up yet, im gonna look for the 1.3 cpu too, ty so much for posting this :-*

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by paulpsomiadis on 11.09.05 at 00:27:19
@BFG3Dfx - actually, the powerleap convertor only 'half' works... :P

...the AMI-BIOS on the R2 board will NOT detect the cache of the Celeron in DOS. >:(

So in Windows you need to install the Powerleap "CPU Cache" configuration utility...then it works normally! ::)

...problem is that with no Cache in DOS, it takes 30min to boot Win98!!! :o

Also, the adaptor restricts you to a choice of Win 95/98/98SE (not that we'll complain!) ;)

ANY Win NT O.S. (NT4, 2000, XP, Vista) will not work as the CPU is reported incorrectly! :'(

I'd be interested to find out how the Rev. 1 board with the AWARD BIOS performs with a Powerleap... :D

@Obi-Wan_Kenobi - Anger necessary is not! >:( Leads to the Dark side it does! :o

Be nice and I'll post some OGL (Q3A) and GLiDE (Unreal Tournament) benchmarks... ;)

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by BFG3dfx on 11.09.05 at 05:14:47
hmm well maybe i'll try the slot1 800mhz 100fsb cpu first then, with the new bios its detected and work i think ???

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by Lucidtomr on 11.09.05 at 07:02:29
Hi guys. Yea, those pictures are interesting & fasinating. I never knew 3DFX made motherboards.

In Asia, do they sell those brandnew? I'm curious. I bought mine on ebay from here in the United States, but if they have them brandspanking new in Asia, next time I'll buy from them.

My voodoo 3 3000 agp looks exactly like the one with the Decent cd game and Need For Speed 2 SE 3dfx cd in those screens. I'd like to see what that CD is like, manual, etc...

OT besides the attractive boxes/hardware, those Asian girls are gorgeous. I'd do anything to get a asian girlfriend, you're lucky frank boa

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by Thandor on 11.09.05 at 13:04:59

wrote on 11.09.05 at 07:02:29:
Hi guys. Yea, those pictures are interesting & fasinating. I never knew 3DFX made motherboards.

In fact, 3dfx never made production motherboards.
These motherboards are from brands such as MSI and A-Trend with an 3dfx chip onboard.

Quote:
In Asia, do they sell those brandnew? I'm curious. I bought mine on ebay from here in the United States, but if they have them brandspanking new in Asia, next time I'll buy from them.

These pictures are about 6 years old  ::)
Maybe there are some new boxes, but I guess that most of the boxes aren't new and sealed anymore.

Quote:
My voodoo 3 3000 agp looks exactly like the one with the Decent cd game and Need For Speed 2 SE 3dfx cd in those screens. I'd like to see what that CD is like, manual, etc...

An image of the Voodoo 3 3000 CD is in the startpost.
(third and fourth picture, rather small, but clickable pictures ;) )

Quote:
OT besides the attractive boxes/hardware, those Asian girls are gorgeous. I'd do anything to get a asian girlfriend, you're lucky frank boa
 :P

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by paulpsomiadis on 12.09.05 at 00:37:50
@BFG3dfx - you are correct in essence... ;)

If it's a 800MHz 100FSB CPU that is already supported in the BIOS (i.e. one of the processors in the BIOS microcode list) then it will work fine and there will be no 30min boot delay for Win98 to start. :D

But if it's a Tualatin Celeron in a Powerleap adaptor, you'll have the same problem I faced when I upgraded - the problem is not really the CPU MHz, only that the BIOS cannot correctly pick up the Tualatin microcode as it is not included in the BIOS itself! :P

Hope you find one that works for you! Otherwise, just use one of the 'known' supported processors to install Win98...then upgrade and install the Powerleap 'CPU cache' utility afterward! 8)

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by BFG3dfx on 12.09.05 at 03:39:50
ok thank you, i think the 1.3 bios has up to the 800/100, i'll find out for sure soon.

Title: Re: The (almost) never seen and discussed 3dfx box
Post by paulpsomiadis on 04.10.05 at 00:47:01
Benchies updated, and that's DEFINATELY it this time! ::)

I'm dismantling the system that uses the MSI-6168 to build a 'better' 3Dfx retro rig! ;)

Namely, I'm going to test out my Q3D Voodoo 2 AGP! ;D

WOOT! 8)

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