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28.01.06 at 05:08:11
 
Ok, running Win 2K server at home. Having problems with my machine though. This is how I have it set up. I've got two 20 gig drives that are mirrored with the OS on it, then I have four 60 Gig drives on a ATA 100 PCI adapter. I've got RAID setup using Windows, not the adapter since it's just an add-in card and not a true RAID controller card. Here's the problem. Two of the drives on the one channel is not working. At first I thought it was the card, since I moved both drives to the other port and then they worked fine, or so I thought. Went out, got a new card the same two drives are still having problems on both channels and I have changed the cable- twice. The one drive is coming up with a yellow ! next to it, the other is coming up the same way but then has (errors) right behind it as well. Here's the question. Since RAID 5 needs at least 3 drives to work and I had four in there, is it at all posiable to add two different drives and have it sync up or am I still screwed? I'm fearing the worst on this question but hoping it can be done. Other question is would a software recovery tool like EZRecovery work on the two drives that are failing? Let me know what you think.
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Reply #1 - 29.01.06 at 04:04:46
 
I've never known RAID 5 to work on anything but SCSI.

IDE/ATA supports 0, 1, and 0+1.

I could be wrong, I'm sort of old school on this. 

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Reply #2 - 29.01.06 at 21:55:09
 
Software RAID is quite dangerous...
My best recommendation is to make a Backup of the Data and create a fresh Installation, if you want to maintain the RAID organization (assuming your setup did work for a while before the Problem occured).

I'm also not aware of IDE Adapters or Windows being able to make RAID5 work.
Windows also might be unable to Create a Software Array over 4 Drives, all people I know at best did a Raid 0,1 or 10 with 2 Drives.

If that setup is new, see what IRQ's are shared. Although ACPI normally does a good job sharing the IRQ's, it sometimes breaks down if just enough high-demand Devices (e.g. IDE Controllers) are sharing their Resources.

Since it's a PCI Adapter, the Chipset and/or Drivers might also cause problems. (e.g. NForce Chipsets are known to be shakey under heavy PCI loads)

For everything IDE related, I always stick to the Windows default Drivers for the Onboard IDE Controllers, the PCI Adapter likely needs a manufacturer Driver (if it was properly recognized by Windows however, I'd stick to the default Driver as well)
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Reply #3 - 30.01.06 at 02:24:52
 
Hey guys, thanks for the reply. To answer some questions here, the IDE controller card is just a standard PCI IDE Ultra DMA 100 two port (four device- two on each cable) controller card. I realize this isn't the best way to have a RAID set up but don't have the money for an actual RAID 5 controller card running all the hard drives on seperate channels. I'm running the RAID configuration through Disk Manager in the Computer Management snap-in inside the admin tools in Windows 2000 Server. It's been running fine for over two and half years like that, and then started having misc problems during reboots on Windows updates. I would have to start the server again in order to have the one drive initialize. Well then two weeks ago, ended up putting in some extra hours at my second job and never got around to copying things over to another pc so that I could start looking at it and the second drive crashed before I had the chance to do it. Right now, I've ran a dos based hard drive util that checks for errors and the one drive is coming up clean but the other drive is coming up with a couple of bad sectors. Being that I don't exactly know how the files get spanned across drives, I don't know if doing a software recovery will work if I can't get the drives going again. Normally I wouldn't mind blowing the whole thing up and starting over by setting up a new RAID but I've got pictures of my daughter from when she was a week and half old that I can't get back (another moronic move by not having those backed up). I hope that's a little bit more information. I've looking on google but most of the things i've been finding are places that do the recovery. I found a software tool called RAID Reconstructor and I'm running that right now. If found all four drives and is trying to recover as I speak. Time left 3 hours 10 minutes so I'll find out in a couple of hours if it'll work or not.
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Reply #4 - 30.01.06 at 02:26:45
 
0 + 1 requires 4 drives. 2 for striping and the other 2 for mirroring the striped disks Wink Done it once, a waste of drives IMO. I stripe (RAID 0) for speed and back up an image (Norton Ghost) to my external USB instead of mirroring.
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Reply #5 - 30.01.06 at 10:38:22
 
As far as I know, it's impossible to recover Data with 3rd party Software from a single Disk of an Array.

Since the Array is a Software controlled Array, the Software is fully responsible for Data recovery (which it should do automatically while running).
Technically (unless you've lost too many Drives), you should still be able to access all Information, while the Bad Drive should be automatically disabled.

Once an Array is gone (too many bad Disks), I think there's nothing you could do (the RAID is already the Backup solution, if that fails, the Data is toast). Professional recovery by a company is always possible to an extend, but very expensive.
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Reply #6 - 30.01.06 at 11:46:56
 
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As far as I know, it's impossible to recover Data with 3rd party Software from a single Disk of an Array.


Technically on my setup with RAID mirroring all I have to do is move the good drive (out of the 2) to a regular IDE port and it will function like a normal drive.

P.S. Even with mirroring I have data backed up onto another computer, for me some data is not replacable.
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Reply #7 - 30.01.06 at 19:31:59
 
I was referring to Striping, on any other RAID Mirror it's of course easy (basically apart from a Warning, the affected System should continue to operate without any problem).
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Reply #8 - 04.02.06 at 03:36:24
 
Ok, just to let some of you guys know, I found two programs that will recover software based RAID setups (what I was running). One is called File Scavanger and the other is Active Undelete. After hooking up my all four drives that formed my RAID on my XP box (much faster processor) I was able to recover the whole directory structure. Actives Undelete worked much better. File scavanger found all the files but turned it into a complete mess by changing every folder into a numbered folder. Well this caused major issues if a program had multiple folders in it to begin with. Actives Undelete was able to restore most of the directory structure minus the files that got corrupted because of the bad sectors showing up on the one drive. It did take about 10 hours to run, but it worked.
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Reply #9 - 04.02.06 at 19:16:04
 
Glad to hear you were able to recover most of the files.

This reminds me, it's time to backup an image of this machine to my 200GB external USB drive Wink
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