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Message started by hutzeputz on 11.04.09 at 15:35:32

Title: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by hutzeputz on 11.04.09 at 15:35:32
I made photos
I apologise for my bad English

who can help me technical details?


defective:


older pic:



I will leave the current port also exchange
soldering cold Centre....
http://www.3dfx-voodoo.de/bilder/08-04-09.7z
picture to v56k.

please help.

I need exactly label (R19 Resistor)

This shop is in cities near:


http://www1.conrad.de/



which resistor?

or this:

SMD resistor 4K7 1% 0805
Art.-Nr.: 428043 - 62 0805 4.7 kΩ SMD 0.125 W 1 %

Technische Daten
Ausführung: SMD
Bauart: Dickschicht
Bauform: 0805
Kategorie: Festwiderstand
Toleranz: 1 %
Widerstand: 4.7 kΩ
Temperatur-Koeffizient: 100 ppm
Belastbarkeit: 0.125 W
Weitere technische Daten: Reihe E 24
RoHS-konform: Ja

is each v56k 3700er this resistor?

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by paulpsomiadis on 11.04.09 at 16:23:07
@Hank - if you are out there, do you know the value of R19 on the V6K? :-?

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by hutzeputz on 11.04.09 at 16:26:55
I found a company...
here with me near...

:)

but I need all technical detail.

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by elfuego on 22.04.09 at 13:19:10

paulpsomiadis wrote on 11.04.09 at 16:23:07:
@Hank - if you are out there, do you know the value of R19 on the V6K? :-?


Cant someone measure it? Find a guy who possesses V5 6k and ask him to do it. That shouldn't be such a big deal.

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by paulpsomiadis on 22.04.09 at 14:59:56
In order to measure the value CORRECTLY, it will have to be desoldered THEN tested... :o

"in circuit" values are not correct... ::)

So it may actually be a big deal... :-/

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by elfuego on 23.04.09 at 14:18:23

paulpsomiadis wrote on 22.04.09 at 14:59:56:
In order to measure the value CORRECTLY, it will have to be desoldered THEN tested... :o

"in circuit" values are not correct... ::)

So it may actually be a big deal... :-/

I wasnt really aware of that. As far as I've learned, as long as the circuit is not running, the value should be the same.
http://www.electro-tech-online.com/general-electronics-chat/17459-measuring-resistors-circuit.html

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by paulpsomiadis on 23.04.09 at 16:24:20
If you look in the tread you posted it says that IF you disconnect ONE END of the component then it's the same as having it out of circuit. ::)

But with SMT components this isn't possible (too small) so they have to be desoldered. :-/

BTW - I've been soldering for over 20yrs, so I know what I'm talking about... ;)

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by elfuego on 24.04.09 at 21:29:31

paulpsomiadis wrote on 23.04.09 at 16:24:20:
If you look in the tread you posted it says that IF you disconnect ONE END of the component then it's the same as having it out of circuit. ::)

But with SMT components this isn't possible (too small) so they have to be desoldered. :-/

BTW - I've been soldering for over 20yrs, so I know what I'm talking about... ;)


Good to know, 10x - I'm learning all the time :)

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by hutzeputz on 24.04.09 at 23:34:05
i know that the damaged resistor is the one mentioned above and i can have it repaired by a company i know. I already have a new resistor. I lack information whether additional technical details should be checked

.....
thanks   :)

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by hutzeputz on 08.05.09 at 18:07:18

Hier die Fotos nach dem Löten



:)

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by rottentreats on 08.05.09 at 19:38:17
Functional again?

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by hutzeputz on 08.05.09 at 20:21:48
no work
no bootscreen


hmmmm   :-/








Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by AzzKickr on 18.05.09 at 11:05:47
I would send over the board to paulpsomiadis ? With over 20 years of soldering experience it would be in good hands in order to try and revive it ...

There must be way to measure where the problem is ...

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by paulpsomiadis on 18.05.09 at 15:46:43
I would not want to mess around with a Voodoo 6000, as:

1) It is too precious

2) I am not qualified as a 3Dfx engineer

3) I have never repaired a Voodoo 6000 before (only a 5500).

@Hank - please respond if you're listening!!!

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by hutzeputz on 30.05.09 at 00:21:21
v6k Team forum:

[quote author="hanksemenec"

Hi,

I need a little more history behind the card.

I'll have to dig up the layout files and take a look at R19 function.

Did the card ever work?

If not I can guide you through some troubleshooting.

Hank[/quote]

[quote author="hutzeputz"

I own the Card since 2004 and it runs properly until 6 month ago. The only problem was the resolution doesen't come over 1024x 768, because the system crashes if I tried some higer resolution.


Except the failure with the 1024x768 resolution IN GAMES, the card works properly with 8XFSAA many hours in row. It would be very nice, you could help me. There is a company i know, they could do the hardware work from the guidance you give.

The time, the problems occur first is approximately 6 month ago. With the "no VGA" beep,  butwith a reset or power cycle at the PC and a pausing of 5 minutes, the card boots up sometimes. Then the card needs hours for startup, and now it doesen't run any more.

[/quote]

I wait since then to reply.

I still hank is log hope....

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by m14radu on 30.05.09 at 07:53:22
@hutze: an incompatibility between the tyan board ( mpx chipset ) and the v56k could cause the damage on the v56k  ?
Are another cases like your known ?  Same platform or another ?

I take a quick look on my 3700A revision, and i have only one diode !
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/v/3dfx_collectors/m14radu/Prototypes/P1010008.JPG.html

Hope that you will get your lady " in function" asap.
Take care mate.

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by paulpsomiadis on 31.05.09 at 03:38:11
@hutzeputz - just be patient, @Hank takes his time - it's better that way as he checks thoroughly. ;)

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by hutzeputz on 21.08.09 at 01:34:43
Good News!   :) :)




these are my default settings and everything ´s running absolutely stable.


http://www.nethands.de/pys/show.php4?user=hutzeputz2






Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by RaverX on 21.08.09 at 03:28:13
Indeed, great news, it would be very bad if that card couldn't be revided. Also, I noticed the 3dmark info that states v5 6000 *PCI* .  ;D

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by ps47 on 21.08.09 at 18:09:30
thats just cosmetic,and actually fixed in most 3rdparty drivers.


congrats,seeing a 6k rise from the dead is always a good thing :)

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by hutzeputz on 24.08.09 at 01:12:18
3 days nonstop pefect working  :D  
( 3dfx Bayern LAN 2009 "3" )

I'M so happy  ;D

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by hutzeputz on 24.08.09 at 13:34:17
Broken was...

Well, here the card in the old condition:



Resistor "R19"
I had an appointment at a printed board/smd assembly firm, where they brazed with my guidance the card.



I have let them build a new power connector too:





But all that didn't solve all problems at all. I could solve the biggest problem with WinME. Only now with WinME I can have perfect software support!

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by hutzeputz on 29.08.10 at 12:49:33
hmmmm.......


http://3dfx-voodoo.de/bilder/v56kdef/DSC04225.JPG
http://3dfx-voodoo.de/bilder/v56kdef/DSC04226.JPG
http://3dfx-voodoo.de/bilder/v56kdef/DSC04227.JPG
http://3dfx-voodoo.de/bilder/v56kdef/DSC04228.JPG
http://3dfx-voodoo.de/bilder/v56kdef/DSC04229.JPG


My V56K has failed.
The three coils are fallen off, because the solder points are broken.
Previously the card runs unreliable and it was depending on it's temperature.
The card only runs, when it was quite warm.
The temperature sensitivity and the broken solderpoints are matching
together. So the reason for the unrelialbility could be the small cracks
in the tin.
In the next day we will remove the old tin, applying new tin and soldering on the coils.


remains in spite of reperatur defective

http://www.3dfx-voodoo.de/bilder/v56kdef/DSC04251.JPG


http://www.3dfx-voodoo.de/bilder/v56kdef/DSC04345.JPG


http://www.3dfx-voodoo.de/bilder/v56kdef/DSC04347.JPG

My V56K is broken despite to all attempts and it appears to be for ever.
Two professionals did what they could, they even used a reflow machine... still it doesn't work.
to day : no vga beep no Screen .....


There are two supposable options:
1. One VSA100 is defective.
2. One of the lower layers is fractured.

Title: Re: defective voodoo 5-6000
Post by Quaker763 on 29.01.11 at 23:05:30
I'm sorry to hear that about your v5 6K. It's sad when a video card (particuarly a rare one) dies. At least you still have it as it's still a collectors item  ;)

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