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Message started by mikulaish on 06.02.06 at 22:23:11

Title: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by mikulaish on 06.02.06 at 22:23:11
Hi! I have  a Voodoo5 6k 3700A on its way to me. I have an ECS K7VTA3 3.1 (no RAID) mobo(kt333/vt8233a). Is there anyone who uses this mobo with a 6k? I know that Asus a7v333 uses the exact same chipset and isn't comparible with the 6k. Any suggestions?

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 06.02.06 at 23:26:37
Hello :)

Welcome to FalconFly.de Forums and Welcome to the World of the V6K :)

There are some ECS boards that can handle the V6K My advice is to see if your model is on gdonovan's website:

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/index.htm

go to the left side of the page and scroll down untill you reach the V6K FAQ, in that section all motherboards of the Voodoo5 6000 are listed all the safe ones and all the unsafe ones :)

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by gamma742 on 07.02.06 at 05:20:05
When you can pick up a good V6K motherboard for this price http://cgi.ebay.com/EPOX-8K3A-SOCKET-4-MOTHERBOARD_W0QQitemZ6843257479 Why take a chance on a low end motherboard and risk your V6K.

Your board may work just fine. I have owned 3 ECS board. I'm not knocking them, they're a great value board. I just wouldn't trust one to my "Highend" V6K card. But then, I would overclock my V6K either. That's not to say that some folks haven't. I think TM30 owns the 3dMarks World Record on the V6K and others :)

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by mikulaish on 07.02.06 at 08:32:54
Thanks. I have checked Gary's site allready. It says it is not certain. (certain only with v1.x wich is kt266) I found on forumzone.it a post by Amigamerlin, wich says that it works with k7vta3/kt333 (but not known from personal experience). I know this is a very cheap mobo, but in romania there is no ebay, very rarely an epox mobo, so it's kinda difficult for me to buy one. So before going into all the trouble of buying a mobo from german ebay, I want to know weather anyone has used or is using this mobo with a 6k. Thanks!
P.S. If anyone has an Epox 8k5a2+ for sale,willing to ship to Romania, i'll buy it. I can pay paypal.

Edit:P.S. Thanks for all the help guys. After reading all this and having a discussion with Hank, i bought an EPOX 8K5A2 from german Ebay. And yes, you are right, it's not worth risking any non tested mobo, especially, wit a certainly working 6k. Didn't find the  Epox 8k5a2+, but this will be ok. Take care guys! Byebye!

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by gamma742 on 08.02.06 at 03:49:37
Good Choice  8)

You probably won't miss the RAID option anyway ;)

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 08.02.06 at 12:41:20
@ mikulaish

Congratulations for gett'n that great board, really that board rocks with the V6K :)

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by osckhar on 08.02.06 at 23:31:52
Another possibility is the 8k5A3+. It will be my next V6k-motherboard!

ps. Congratulations for that V6k -Enjoy it! :)

Oscar

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by mikulaish on 09.02.06 at 07:52:44
Thanks guys. I found 8k5a3+ on ebay as well, but it wasn't on Gary's compaticility list so i sticked with the a2. Even on Epox's site there is no sign of a3. Well you probably know what you are doing.
Best regards. Alpar

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by gtxe on 09.02.06 at 16:15:43
the v56k works fine with epox 8k5a3+
look here:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/gtxe/v56k_and_8k5a3p_th.jpg

and here: my sys in nethands

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by gamma742 on 09.02.06 at 18:20:14

wrote on 09.02.06 at 16:15:43:
the v56k works fine with epox 8k5a3+
look here:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/gtxe/v56k_and_8k5a3p_th.jpg

and here: my sys in nethands


Are you water cooling the V6K ??

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by gtxe on 09.02.06 at 19:14:43

wrote on 09.02.06 at 18:20:14:
Are you water cooling the V6K ??


yes

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 10.02.06 at 03:23:54
hmm wasser kühlung sehr geil ;) :P :P

That must look cool :)

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by gamma742 on 10.02.06 at 03:40:14
The water block looks cool 8)

Can you post some more pics if it (in the machine)??

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 10.02.06 at 17:25:45
jah bitte!! that would be cool also ;D the idea is kinda new a V6K with Water Cooling most people keep thier V6K's in orginal state hehe. is the cooler glued to the VSA-100's with adhesive paste??

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by gtxe on 10.02.06 at 20:36:51
http://mitglied.lycos.de/gtxe/v56k_h2o/gtxe_v56k_h2o_mod_01_th.jpg original
http://mitglied.lycos.de/gtxe/v56k_h2o/gtxe_v56k_h2o_mod_02_th.jpg removed heatsink
http://mitglied.lycos.de/gtxe/v56k_h2o/gtxe_v56k_h2o_mod_03_th.jpg h2o-heatsink
http://mitglied.lycos.de/gtxe/v56k_h2o/gtxe_v56k_h2o_mod_04_th.jpg h2o-heatsink detail
http://mitglied.lycos.de/gtxe/v56k_h2o/gtxe_v56k_pc_01_th.jpg my pc very long time ago
http://mitglied.lycos.de/gtxe/v56k_h2o/gtxe_v56k_pc_02_th.jpg my pc long time ago
http://mitglied.lycos.de/gtxe/v56k_h2o/gtxe_v56k_pc_03_th.jpg my pc today

i glued the cooler, becouse i didn't know how to build an holder. but the glue did not hold on the last vsa100... so i had to build one for the the last chip.
the weight of the block is about 400g  :o

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 10.02.06 at 21:04:55
the only thing that I hope won't happen is that the glue won't loosen up when the VSA's get hot :-X But yeah it looks cool though :)

You've done a great job gtxe  8)

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by gtxe on 10.02.06 at 21:36:14
thanks obi-wan

it holds now for about 2 years.
i hope it will do the job for a very long time...
...and i hope it will give a longer life for the voodoo  :D

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by gamma742 on 10.02.06 at 22:40:01
That's awesome 8)

I have a Koolance case but only watercool the CPU.

Thanks for sharing  ;D

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 12.03.06 at 17:41:33
your Voodoo5 6000 Mod PWNzz gtxe Whaaa Zuupp!!! 8) ;D 8)  ;D

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by paulpsomiadis on 12.03.06 at 23:59:12
Very, VERY nice @gtxe! ;D 8)

Be sure to keep a check on the joints of the water cooling system and keep applying that silicone grease! ;)

Wouldn't want any leaks! (God forbid!) :o

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by mikulaish on 21.03.06 at 11:37:22
Just wondering... All you people (but mostly others) are blaiming a guy for adding some fans on a 6000 (http://forum.voodooalert.de/thread.php?threadid=10841) wich can be removed at any time, and the original fans reinstalled, and the card will regain its original state. Meanwhile you only say good things about someone who has a 6K wich can not get back in its original shape due to the removal of heatsinks. I agree that this watercoolig looks very nice, and the other 6K from voodooalert looks kind of funky, but i am convinced that it is better cooled, not that it would matter.

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 21.03.06 at 11:48:19
what happens in other forums is not the concern for what happens here ;).

I will note this to the Admin.

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by gdonovan on 21.03.06 at 12:01:59

wrote on 21.03.06 at 11:37:22:
Just wondering... All you people (but mostly others)


That is a rather sweeping statement, speaking for myself I rarely post over at VA.

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by Chosen_One on 21.03.06 at 15:04:22

wrote on 21.03.06 at 11:37:22:
Just wondering... All you people (but mostly others) are blaiming a guy for adding some fans on a 6000 (http://forum.voodooalert.de/thread.php?threadid=10841) wich can be removed at any time, and the original fans reinstalled, and the card will regain its original state.


to solder the fans on a 6000 is not the same as to add some fans which can be removed!
please take a closer look! the fans are soldered at the pcb! so the 6000 cannot be regained easily to the original status!

@gtxe: nice job...clean, simple and efficient...and easily to remove ;)

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by mikulaish on 21.03.06 at 15:41:59
@Gary: I appologise. You are quite right. Correction: it should have been "all you people from this board who posted in that topic" but I stress the "mainly others", because most were others.

Excuse me, but soldering at that scale is absolutely easy to undo. If you do not have internal PSU hoockup, you need to solder in those places anyway. Since i have the metal support for the internal PSU hoockup cable soldered in all 8 points (as many others have it) my 6K is the object of criticism, isn't it? I didn't say anything about the watercoooling not being a nice job... I'm just amaised of how people reacted to a very creative ideea. After all quantum3d cooled v3 chips from the back, so it might not be a bad ideea after all. And... If you think that "hanging" a 0.4KG (+the weight of the water in it) thing on a 6k is less damaging, then soldering in two points where it was meant to be soldered, you might just be wrong. I will stress that I am NOT criticising this watercooled card. It is indeed a very nice job. I just can't understand why people jumped at a guy, who in my opinion did a mod wich really might help cooling a 6K. I know it from experience that no matter how good you're cooling the face of the chip, the back of the pcb will still be untouchably warm. (tested on my 5500)

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by Chosen_One on 21.03.06 at 20:51:48
maybe it is easy to solder such things....in my opinion its not neccessary! why not use two 120 or 80mm fans which blow on the pcb?
if i own such a rare piece of pcb i won't solder anything on it! why? it looks awful! and if you do a bad mistake you can damage your card! is it worthful? in my opinion: NO!

the v5 6000 looks great...with all these soldered fans it is no real 6000 anymore! more than gtxe's mod should not be done!

hutzeputz (german collector) use a few fans for cooling his 6000....that is the way it meant to be cooled ;)

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by mikulaish on 21.03.06 at 22:57:26
Now i understand why you criticised the guy for his mod...  Thanks for your excellent explaination!  ::) Now I don't wonder anymore...  About soldering in those points: "This really isn't rocket science in either case if you can handle a soldering iron." by Gary. I would say many many more things right now, but I won't. Believe whatever you wish, and criticise whoever you want. I'm outta here!

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by gdonovan on 21.03.06 at 23:16:43

wrote on 21.03.06 at 20:51:48:
hutzeputz (german collector) use a few fans for cooling his 6000....that is the way it meant to be cooled ;)


To each his own.

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by Chosen_One on 22.03.06 at 14:44:01

wrote on 21.03.06 at 22:57:26:
Now i understand why you criticised the guy for his mod...  Thanks for your excellent explaination!  ::) Now I don't wonder anymore...


i'm glad to hear that my explanation was sooooo excellent...


wrote on 21.03.06 at 22:57:26:
Believe whatever you wish, and criticise whoever you want. I'm outta here!


i believe what i wish...and can criticise everbody if it is neccessary in my eyes...
you are out? <insert positive word>

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by garyatwork on 22.03.06 at 16:17:36
Am I do be criticised for having this v6k modified?




Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by Renner on 22.03.06 at 17:29:18
I'm not a hardcore collector like many of you, but I see no reason why modding a working V6K is wrong.  As long as it remains functional, what's the problem?  Particularly if the mod is likely to increase the lifespan of the unit, which each of the above cooling mods should accomplish (the water-cooled card perhaps the least, unfortunately, unless some airflow is provided for the RAM and other components that don't get cooled by the waterblock)?

Some day down the road, none of these cards are going to work at all (the silicon will eventually degrade to the point of disfunction due to time alone).  It's unfortunate, but it's a fact.  I don't understand why the current owners shouldn't be allowed some liberty to decide what they want to do with the cards while they DO work.


Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by mikulaish on 22.03.06 at 20:10:02

wrote on 22.03.06 at 16:17:36:
Am I do be criticised for having this v6k modified?



In my opinion no. The modifications brougt to that card (at least the undoable ones) are 2 drilled holes wich are in a place where none of the plains of the pcb extend, wich might look extremely dangerous to some people... Since those combos are more rare than the card itself, it was logical to modify the card rather then the combo. Since the bios chip could not be moved, the heatsink needed to be adapted. As for the feature connector: it can entirely be replaced by a good techie. I would say it is a very well optimised mod.

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by gdonovan on 22.03.06 at 22:24:26

wrote on 22.03.06 at 17:29:18:
I'm not a hardcore collector like many of you, but I see no reason why modding a working V6K is wrong.  


Neither do I- This debate rages in car circles as well, stock vs modified.

Personally what one person does with hardware *THEY OWN* is their business. Others can state what they feel but ultimately what they feel should have little bearing on what the owner of the hardware should or should not do with it unless such owner asks for such an opinion.

My opinion is to mod away within reason. If I tinker with something I do like to make sure I have a spare in case some unfortunate should happen.

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 22.03.06 at 23:02:25

wrote on 22.03.06 at 16:17:36:
Am I do be criticised for having this v6k modified?


hmm That Cooler is an original Prototype cooler which was meant for the Voodoo5 6000, so it's not really that modded it's more like what the card would of been when produced anyways I have read that that cooler was kinda ovekill, but it sure would of made the card more interesting for the sale market, and YeaH I would of bought 3 heheh :)

Still a shame that the Voodoo5 6000 didn't make it, okay some of us have one though it still is a shame.

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by gdonovan on 22.03.06 at 23:11:37

wrote on 22.03.06 at 23:02:25:
hmm That Cooler is an original Prototype cooler which was meant for the Voodoo5 6000


It was meant for an Intel based V6K not a Hint based one.

My point is of course that board needed far more mods to run this cooler then average mods made a run of the mill V6K.

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 22.03.06 at 23:23:59
hmm if you have one of those coolers separate you could place it on the Rev.A1 1500 card :) might look good on it too :) unless that would be too risky for the Rev.A1 1500 it's self hehe.

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by mikulaish on 23.03.06 at 07:39:42

wrote on 22.03.06 at 22:24:26:
Neither do I- This debate rages in car circles as well, stock vs modified.


Well the debate kinda started from me questioning not the mod itself, but the fact that a card that has been moded in a cheaper, but in my opinion better way, was critised in a very unpollite way, while another card that was moded in another way, was complemented all the way. So I wanted to see what was that different between the 2 mods in peoples eyes. Now I think I know, but definitely not agree.  :-X
And about that combo... Only judjing by pictures the Intel revision has the bios chip in the same spot (compared to the 2 holes) as the 3700A, so that might have caused a problem back than.
Edit: looks like it didn't  ;D

Title: Re: Voodoo5 6k question
Post by gdonovan on 23.03.06 at 11:59:10
Nope, I tested fitted the heatsink on an intel PCB.

It will clear the bios chip with no mods but mounting on a dead card would have been pointless IMHO.

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