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V5-6000 Review...
23.05.05 at 08:20:12
 
So, finally here it is...in german, english and french :p

http://www.x86-secret.com/?option=newsd&nid=875
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Reply #1 - 23.05.05 at 12:07:18
 
hmm very nice Minuteman only I did find a mistake or two, but hay for the rest very nice indeed Smiley

On the Voodoo 5 6000 we can find 4 VSA-100 chips which have the following characteristics:

    - 143Mhz to 183MHz frequency
    - 0.25 microns process
    - 14 millions transistors per Chip
    - AGP 4x and PCI interface --> The VSA-100 has no AGP accellration nor AGP renedering
it runs at AGPx2 66Mhz & PCI 33Mhz
    - Up to 64MB of memory accessed with a 128 bits bus for each VSA-100
    - 333Mpixel/s single texturing fill rate or 166 Mpixel/s in dual texturing


the Voodoo4 has an AGP x4 connector which is based on a AGP x2 Interface but with a 1.5 Volt AGP Voltage
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Reply #2 - 23.05.05 at 12:14:38
 
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    - 14 millions transistors  --> 28 Million Transistors Wink per Chip



Hehe, this is directly taken from a 3dfx datasheet  Smiley
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Reply #3 - 23.05.05 at 12:21:46
 
well maybe from the Voodoo3 data sheet, rather wierd though, maybe the prototypes has lesser Tansistors than the production models or I'm confused with my Voodoo5 5500 PCI hehe yeah 14 Million would be right a 5500 has two VSA-100's so you get 28 mil, okay you're right here Smiley and yes  I was alittle confused hehe
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Reply #4 - 23.05.05 at 13:51:03
 
"It would have been a better idea to use "slow" DDR instead of "fast" SDR memory, the cost was probably about the same with much less availability problems "

The VSA-100 isn't compatible with DDR ram, VSA-101 was.

"As far as we know there are around 150 Voodoo 5 6000 models in the world and around 30 working ones."

This isn't even close to being correct, there were several hundred V5-6000 made and far more then 30 working boards floating around.

"At the beginning an Intel chip was used to do this but it had some stability problems"

No, they had problems working on non-Intel motherboards.

"we can also see the 3700A revision which is the last produced one."

Nope, 3900 is the last revision and there is even rumor of a later revision.

"On the next picture you can see what the initially planned card looks like."

This was a non-function card for Comdex, it was impossible to route the traces.

"This configuration is known as Voodoo 5 6500."

Nope, that was a hoax, the Comdex board is also called V5-6000.

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Reply #5 - 23.05.05 at 14:08:42
 
Ok, I take note Smiley

In fact many of the "errors" are due to bad translations from french to english, sorry for that but it was already a lot of work. What I agree to be wrong is the V5-6500, I found many news related to it so it looked ok to me.
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Reply #6 - 23.05.05 at 14:21:40
 
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What I agree to be wrong is the V5-6500, I found many news related to it so it looked ok to me.


If you look at Comdex '99 reviews pretty much all of them refer to the board as a 6000, not a 6500.

Only a site in Japan refers to is as a "6500" that might have been an error in translation.

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Reply #7 - 23.05.05 at 15:32:31
 
heh I really wonder if 3dfx did have plans for a Voodoo5 6500, would of made the collection morely complete, I mean there would be 6 types:

Voodoo4 4000
Voodoo4 4500

Voodoo5 5000
Voodoo5 5500

Voodoo5 6000
Voodoo5 6500

I dunno why 3dfx didn't call the 6K a voodoo5, maybe Voodoo6 6000 would of been more descent in order of the names order.
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Reply #8 - 23.05.05 at 16:55:33
 
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Voodoo4 4000
Voodoo5 6500



I understand this is all conjecture but-

There isn't a shred of proof of a V4-4000 VSA-100, a 16MB card was already available that was still selling briskly (Voodoo 3 16MB)

Even the very first VSA-100 prototype was a 32MB card, not 16MB.

You forgot about the 143mhz 4400 32 MB and the 64MB 4800. I suspect the 143 mhz part would have been a cheap "heatsink only" part for OEM's with a spec checklist.

The 6500 is mentioned originally on a site in Japan and was to an extent the only site covering Comdex '99 to do so.

The board designer of the PCB has also stated it was a 6000, not a 6500.
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Reply #9 - 23.05.05 at 21:01:32
 
well it could of been possible that there was a 6500 in thier minds , I'm not aiming at those aticles, I'm just wondering if that model was in thier planning and nothing else Smiley

and yes The Voodoo4-2 4000 has no VSA 100 but it was known that it did have a VSA-101 with SDRAM.

for the Voodoo4 4400, I only know of it's name from a Bios, but that is was planned as a 143 Mhz low cost Voodoo4, never knew that Gary, Thanx for the info, did 3dfx ever build that card?
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Reply #10 - 23.05.05 at 21:45:19
 
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well it could of been possible that there was a 6500 in thier minds , I'm not aiming at those aticles, I'm just wondering if that model was in thier planning and nothing else Smiley


The board designer was clear it was a V5-6000 and not a 6500. The 6500 is a mistake from the site in Japan, all the other sites that covered Comdex '99 list it as a 6000.

Even further proof- Comdex '99 was 11/15-19/1999 and I have a 3dfx PDF in regards to the V5-6000 that is created 11/9/1999.

3dfx-v5-6000AGP-brochure.zip

I'm fairly sure you can download it from FF, open with Adobe and check the document properties.

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and yes The Voodoo4-2 4000 has no VSA 100 but it was known that it did have a VSA-101 with SDRAM.



1) This discussion is about VSA-100, so there is no reason to drag Daytona's in to confuse the issue.

2) We don't know the Daytona V4-2 4000 has SDRAM as anyone that has one isn't talking.

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for the Voodoo4 4400, I only know of it's name from a Bios, but that is was planned as a 143 Mhz low cost Voodoo4, never knew that Gary, Thanx for the info, did 3dfx ever build that card?


1) The low cost part is conjecture on my part.

2) It was mentioned in a spec sheet from 3dfx included with the source code that is floating around.

3) I have no idea is any were made or not.
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Reply #11 - 24.05.05 at 01:55:08
 
okay, but it still is wierd that the 6500 was never planned, like the 4500 and 5500 were.

I'm not saying that it's not a hoax, well it has been mentioned on the Japanese site I know that that was a confusion, and I know that the 2x2 cards is officially called:

3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP 128MB 2x2 41-4499 Rev.

Norries about that, but my point wasn't aimed at that, but I was only wondering if there ever was 6500 in the planning, I mean the possibility could of been there.

Sorry but I just want to be clear on what I was aiming at. and yes the 2x2 card is not a 6500 but a 6000 indeedydo Smiley


but thanx for your other juicy info Smiley
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Reply #12 - 24.05.05 at 03:33:24
 
Question to board designer- Attached is a picture of the V6K 2x2 board that was displayed at Comdex '99 do you have any info on the design?

Answer- These were totally nonfunctional units built up just for a dog-and-pony at the show.  Parts were placed, but no routing.

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If you look at the VSA-100 data sheet and see how the traces would have to be run for ram/bus/agp you would see the 2 x 2 design would be just about impossible.

It was something to show the press, just like the Compaq 3500 with a VSA-100 decal on it.
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Reply #13 - 24.05.05 at 15:09:29
 
hmm okay thank you very much for that Info, that's just what I was look'n for, thanx my friend Smiley


Though it was a good strategy from 3dfx, especially in those dark days when you need something to show.

but then again the layout of the Quantum3D AAlchemy 8164 looks alot like of that from the 2x2 V56K comdex card, how did Quantum3D get that working then, if the 2x2 model sounded like impossible Smiley pretty cleaver from Q3D to have mastered the 2x2 model .
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Reply #14 - 24.05.05 at 17:00:13
 
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but then again the layout of the Quantum3D AAlchemy 8164 looks alot like of that from the 2x2 V56K comdex card.


I'm sorry my glasses must be dirty, I see two totally different layouts.


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