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22.06.05 at 01:16:59
 
Yes, I am going to start on my V6K FAQ page soon and I'm looking for all manner of information. Rumors, facts, revisions, board numbers made, technical info, etc, the whole 9 yards!

If you have any links to info nuggets from former 3dfx people talking about the cards, odd reviews on the web, private snippets here and there please let me know.

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Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Reply #1 - 22.06.05 at 07:09:30
 
I believe any sort of information i have would be on google too, which you have already browse it many times.
but i'll try , like everyone else  Grin
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Reply #2 - 22.06.05 at 13:29:51
 
Yes, I have browsed the 'net many times along with actually being  "there" the first time around  Grin

But there is always something missed or some private bit traded via e-mail that makes part of a good story.
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Reply #3 - 23.06.05 at 14:55:26
 
well I do have this sweet info for ya Gary, how 3dfx got to the idea od the V56K, on what happened before it and after it Wink :

hehe about 400 were made and about a mere 37 are found working.

well here is how the Voodoo5 6000 came to it's point.

Voodoo3 1000 8MB SGRAM Strech test board for V56K power supply:
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That card was used to test the the amount of power needed to power the Voodoo5 6000 Wink gdonovan owns this device., and he owns way more wierd stuff, here our 3dfx albumsite, thanx to Surrimugge's wishfullness by creating that site, also a very good member from The Jedi Order Wink

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/3dfx_collectors

here the link to most wierdest finds ever:

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/album81

I hope you will enjoy them Smiley


The Voodoo3 strech has the layout of a Velocity-100
here the Velocity 100:
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I'm asumeing it has 8MB 5,5ns SGRAM and do you see that white power connector plug above it's VGA out?
That would of been the power connector plug for the Comdex Voodoo5 6000 2x2 design, it fits perfectly in the empty spot above it's VGA out;)
here is what I meant this plug:
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here is how I found that, here the streched Voodoo3 Circuit Test Board for Voodoo5 6000 with the white power connector plug above VGA and the front section the layout of that Velocity-100 i mentioned earlier Wink:

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and here the 2x2 V56K Rev.A0 41-4999 Comdex card :
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and here the precise spot for that white power plug:
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anyway, the 2x2 design would of been to expensive so they had to come with something else, so they desinged this type of PCB the Rev.A0.0700:

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and the Rev.A0 0700 with chips and Voodoo Volts External 80 watt PSU:
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and which was followed by the Rev.A1 1500 model with a better circuit layout, though burnouts still occured with the Voodoo Volts, an internal power linkup would of been a better sollution.:
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anyway the Intel boards wern't so stable, they had alot of burnouts, which led to other probelms, the Intel Bridge chip wasn't sufficiant enough, so another design for the bridge chip was needed, to let VSA-100's 3 & 4 communicate better and stabler with Chips 1 & 2, so the HiNT chip was designed and made from which the Voodoo5 6000 Rev.A2 2600 came to be a better design, some versions had 5.4 ns SDRAM at 166 to 183Mhz, frikkn'n fast, that's 11.4 to 12.8 GB per sec!! in memory bandwidth 8O

here the Rev.A2 2600 model:
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after the Rev.A2 series 3dfx came with the Rev.A3 series aka the Rev.A3 3400 with 5.4ns Ram and cores/mem @ 183Mhz, a Rev.A3 3500 with 6ns 166Mhz ram and cores also at 166Mhz and a Rev.A3 3700 with a better circuit layout, a remake of the unstable rav.A3 3400.

here a pic of the Rev.A3 3400:
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and after that 3dfx finally made a final Revision of the Voodoo5 6000 , the Rev.A 3700 with PCI Rework by the famous 3dfx VSA-100 chief designer Hank Semenic also a True Jedi Master within the Jedi Order:
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after the Rev.A 3700 they made a Rev.A 3900 with a 12 layer PCB instead of the standard 10 layer PCB, they did that to improve Stabillity, though it was rather Overkill. here a photo of a Rev.A 3900 with it's external PSU of 50Watts, normally a PCI Rework with Internal Hookup wouyld of been the most obvious way for uset, the external PSU's are very unstable, and they can burn out the card sometimes imedietly, which can be risky at times.
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and here a very nice Review of the Final Voodoo5 6000 AGP 128MB Rev.A 3700 Smiley It is in Germain though.

sorry that my Pics are a bit big, but just to be precise in detail Smiley

http://members.aon.at/grandadmiralthrawn/index.htm?http://www.hardoverclock.org/...

well after all this 3dfx was go'n down hill like a stone, and they cancelled the Voodoo5 6000 project formely called Napalm 6000, and they continued on the Rampge project aka 3dfx Spectre.

here 1 of the only 3 3dfx Spectre 1000 AGP 32MB DDR SGRAM 128Bit.:
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thanx to these photo's I hopely solved a very long waited mystery, and May The Force Be With Us to solve lots more.
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Reply #4 - 23.06.05 at 16:26:26
 
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hehe about 400 were made and about a mere 37 are found working.


This is very far from being correct- A few hundred of each revision were made (known exception Intel, 100+)with Hank estimating the 3700 series alone being in the several hundreds range.

My estimate for total made is in the 1400 range and chances are this might be low.

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anyway, the 2x2 design would of been to expensive so they had to come with something else, so they desinged this type of PCB the Rev.A0.0700:



The 2 x 2 design was never meant for production, cost had nothing to due with it. Due to the placement of the chips and the pinout for functions it would have been about impossible to make work. It was done for something to show the press at Comdex '99, no more no less.

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anyway the Intel boards wern't so stable, they had alot of burnouts, which led to other probelms, the Intel Bridge chip wasn't sufficiant enough, so another design for the bridge chip was needed



The problem with the Intel bridge chip was it would not work with intel motherboards, due to a mistake (bug) on Intels part.

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after that 3dfx finally made a final Revision of the Voodoo5 6000 , the Rev.A 3700 with PCI Rework by the famous 3dfx VSA-100 chief designer Hank Semenic



1) The 3700A wasn't the final revision, there is a 3900A and there *might* be one after that but it's still being looked into.

2) The PCI rework isn't suitable for production and would have been never been used on production boards.

3) Hank wasn't the chief V6K designer, the Daytona was his main project.

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a Rev.A 3900 with a 12 layer PCB instead of the standard 10 layer PCB, they did that to improve Stabillity



Still speculation, I still don't know why the board has 12 layer PCB.

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with it's external PSU of 50Watts,



55 watts.

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the external PSU's are very unstable, and they can burn out the card sometimes imedietly, which can be risky at times.



Speculation and even then on the early four pin bricks, the power supplies did see extensive testing before use so I find second hand reports of bricks frying boards dubious.

All the brick has to do is supply 12v+, not hard to do.
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Reply #5 - 23.06.05 at 16:45:50
 
oh well it's the way I heard mostly, I wrote down on what I've heard from other 3dfx users.at first I thought that the external PSU was 80 watt Lips Sealed abit off course I suppose, anyway roughly my explanation of the V56K is correct.

It does link together in one one, from the Velocity model to that streched V31K circuit test boar, to all other V56K models Smiley
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Reply #6 - 23.06.05 at 17:11:34
 
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I thought that the external PSU was 80 watt


The early unit is 120 watts, the later 55 watts. These are from *maximum ratings* specs right off the bricks so they are very solid numbers.

They are not to be confused as to what the boards actually pull while under load and never forget some voltage is used from the AGP circuits too.

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Reply #7 - 23.06.05 at 21:48:43
 
55W? in several interviews the 3dfx employees said 50W...
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Reply #8 - 23.06.05 at 22:43:37
 
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55W? in several interviews the 3dfx employees said 50W...


The information is right off the side of the unit.

BTW the current rating for the early bricks is double!
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Reply #9 - 23.06.05 at 23:19:36
 
I remember Hank gave some insider infos here :
http://p068.ezboard.com/bvoodoo56000resourcegroup
But the threads seem to be gone, its all empty, very weird...
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Reply #10 - 24.06.05 at 02:23:54
 
I saved all Hanks posts from the V5-6000 forum several months ago  Grin

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Reply #11 - 24.06.05 at 09:39:59
 
Thats good to know, thank you Gary.
I was afraid that info was lost...
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Reply #12 - 24.06.05 at 10:44:41
 
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I saved all Hanks posts from the V5-6000 forum several months ago  Grin

If so, could you paste them here? Might be interesting for others like me who never got the chance to read Hank's info's. Thanks.
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Reply #13 - 24.06.05 at 13:59:43
 
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If so, could you paste them here?


No need, they will all be posted on the new V6K FAQ page when completed.
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Reply #14 - 25.06.05 at 02:28:51
 
There 'used' to be the "V5 6000 resource group" (link on Falcon's links page)... Undecided

...but the link goes nowhere now!!! Cry
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