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Reply #180 - 18.03.07 at 13:20:38
 
heh it will be, my dutch forum is very reliable Wink all what I have posted is translated elfuego , you sound abit pro NV, but I don't mind that, ATi will PWN this time like NV did with their G80 a good 5,5 mounths ago.

This time the pages will turn to the red camp Wink

Newsflash: OCZ wants in on R600
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/03/16/oc...nts_in_on_r600/

"OCZ wants to leverage its strong relationship with AMD so that it can release R600 based products."

R600 VPU:
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"In related news, we managed to get a sneak peek at an almost final working version of a card based on R600 on another stand at the show. We weren't allowed to take photos, and I'm fairly sure that we weren't even supposed to see it (based on the fact there were 'no press' signs all over the place). However, we can say that it's looking like the retail card will be considerably smaller than the prototype pictured earlier in the month."
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Re: ATi Discussions & ATi Troubleshooting
Reply #181 - 18.03.07 at 21:38:23
 
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heh it will be, my dutch forum is very reliable Wink all what I have posted is translated elfuego , you sound abit pro NV,

I am only being objective, friend; in my soul and heart, I am a 3Dfx guy. Nowadays, that there is no more 3Dfx, I am using only the card I need. In the DirectX 8.x time, NV was the better choice; when R300 (R9700) arrived - it was the perfect card for me. As for today... I must say that I am again for Radeon x1x00 (OR the new R600) out of one simple reason: IT'S 100% soft-FireGL moddable!!! If you'd asked me just yesterday, the choise would have been NV, because it has better bang for the buck then ATI (I mean GF7x00 series) - but only in games AND Linux.

BUT - since the introduction of next gen accelerators, NV has purposly hardware-disabled the possibility of professional-modding (softQuadroFX - DISABLED) and that makes my choice clear -> ATI for the time beign...

Oh, by the way - I just modded my mobility Radeon 9600 into a full-blooded mobility FireGL T2! I got a performance increase in OpenGL apps of ~250%! That's what I call bang for the buck!  8)
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Reply #182 - 19.03.07 at 16:18:25
 
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Sorry, I forgot: Fuad Abazovic, ex-Inquirer
http://www.itx.ba/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=193&Itemid=1
You are going to need google translator to translate from serbo/croatian/bosnian to english or dutch.
Nobody says that R600 is not a good card, nor do somebody claims that there is not going to be a top, flagship model of new R600. Fuad just said that DAAMIT is not going to use that nomenclature any more - the difference will only be in the amount of memory on the card (amd maybe a slight change of clocks).

and who is Fuad? The best ex-news writer for the Inquirer
http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=26955 - loved by ATI
http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=37863 - adored by Inq
http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=37798 - and his fans worldwide

So, I am not sure who that insider of yours is, but this guy is real.




heh The Inquierer orsay the center of false gossip eh?

That Dutch insider is the most reliable ATi source out here in the BeNeLuX system, don't be too skeptical on that Inquierer site since it's the most unreliable source for true info, since it's 95% fasle in new info based on newgen ATi cards. Wink

One thing The Inquierer is fraud not the durtch insider which is 90% of the times right in case of AMD + ATi info.

heh nVidians think mostly the oppisite Roll Eyes

I like ATi cards as much as 3dfx cards because they are in most cases better qua drivers and have better Image quallity + 3dfx cards still PWN incombination with ATi cards Wink


heh got some nice news and findings from the Dutch ATi forum Smiley

an ATi OEM R600 XTX Prototype on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160095063471
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okay this ain't an ebay thread but something like this was really worth posting Wink

here a nice PDF about a Dual Quad Core AMD CPU setup with CrossFire R600 XTX Shocked Grin
http://developer.amd.com/assets/GDC2007_Multicore_JB.pdf

here a nice Jetway ATi Radeon X1950 Pro PCI-E with 256MB GDDR4 @ 2200Mhz DDR [1100Mhz Physical] !

That's more than 70GB per sec for the memory bandwidth heh not bad for a mid range card eh? 8)
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http://www.guru3d.com/article/article/422/22/
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Reply #183 - 19.03.07 at 23:55:05
 
Hmm...looks like he changed his mind... Roll Eyes

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Reply #184 - 20.03.07 at 10:58:18
 
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Hmm...looks like he changed his mind... Roll Eyes




or someone ask for 200$ buy it now and seller think ohh nice Roll Eyes
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Reply #185 - 20.03.07 at 12:08:58
 
okay here some more news of a Physics demo being run on an Ati R600 VPU, heh I must say that Water never looked so real on a PC before Shocked
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=8013

"Take a massively parallel architecture like a GPU - say, R600 - and get it to do advanced physics simulation. This is what you get..."
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here a real photo of the REAL Ruby Grin
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here the power connectors of the X2900 XT / XTX Retail card:
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and a nice GeCube Gemini 2 Dual X1650XT card, it has 2 ATi RV560 VPU's on one board each VPU carring 256MB 128Bit GDDR3 Smiley
http://www.gecube.com/cms_file.phpid=2465
http://www.gecube.com/products-detail.php?prod_cat_pid=&prod_cat_id=168&prod_id=...
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Re: ATi Discussions & ATi Troubleshooting
Reply #186 - 20.03.07 at 18:18:33
 
Some preliminary results...

"Using a Core 2 Extreme 2.93GHz processor on an Intel 975X board, the 3DMark06 score at 1600x1200 resolution is 97xx on the R600XTX compared to 95xx on the 8800GTX. Seems like R600XTX is running slightly faster than 8800GTX on the early release of drivers for R600."

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4830

That's marginaly Sad Let's hope that the new drivers fix this...
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Reply #187 - 20.03.07 at 19:28:31
 
it's a real beauty allright Smiley

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heh if they ran the same tests on the same reso on that 8800GTX it would of been alot slower in comparrison to the R600XTX so then again the Pro nVidian site VR-Zone posts it that was to make it look less spectacular :') Roll Eyes

the X2900 XTX crushes the 8800GTX by a mile with ease, they are just too afraid to admit it Roll Eyes stupid nvidiots lol.
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Reply #188 - 21.03.07 at 17:24:48
 
ahh.. my school is out. I have done all my matriculation exams. Thats why I had been out.

I hope that all new generation radeons hit markets at same in whole world(including Finland). Hopefully Ati keep prices low. I have untouched motherboard waiting new parts. Now school is out so i can look for a job then i get paid and I can finally buy rest parts for my new computer(Intel E4300,2GB ddr2, X2600)  Grin

Well my 9800pro has been sad since it heard about it is going to be replaced. So i gave a little present for it to make it feel better:  Smiley

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Re: ATi Discussions & ATi Troubleshooting
Reply #189 - 21.03.07 at 17:48:04
 
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it's a real beauty allright Smiley

heh if they ran the same tests on the same reso on that 8800GTX it would of been alot slower in comparrison to the R600XTX so then again the Pro nVidian site VR-Zone posts it that was to make it look less spectacular :') Roll Eyes

the X2900 XTX crushes the 8800GTX by a mile with ease, they are just too afraid to admit it Roll Eyes stupid nvidiots lol.

nvidiots? atidiots? It's either nVidia or ATi or idiots. It would be nice if you stop saying 'nvidiots' Smiley
If it's up to me I rather read normal news about ATi. Not pro-ATi news and nVidia bashing. I hope you get the point Smiley

Btw, I already said this before: page 8 (click!)
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Why are you saying that the topic should be closed? That useless and dumb. If it's up to me the topic can stay open and people can discuss about ATi as long as the useless fanboy stuff is stopped. After all I'm (and probably lot's of other people too) not interested in 'how great ATi is and that nVidia, VIA, SiS and Intel sucks all day'. I just want information about the latest ATi chips. Real numbers, real stories and no useless fanboy stuff.

Is it that hard to talk about brands in an objective way?

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Reply #190 - 21.03.07 at 21:10:34
 
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nvidiots? atidiots? It's either nVidia or ATi or idiots. It would be nice if you stop saying 'nvidiots' Smiley
If it's up to me I rather read normal news about ATi. Not pro-ATi news and nVidia bashing. I hope you get the point Smiley

Btw, I already said this before: page 8 (click!)


I call the lads from VR Zone "Stupid nVidiots/nvidians" because they can't admit that ATi has the biggest lead in DX 10 technology, I just sensed their fear that they are too afraid to admit that the ATi R600 is alot better, with the latest driver it does alot more, I got this from the dutch ATi source, and so far all the info I got from them is true so far Wink

And I have my reasons about nvidia cards, It's just that ATi & 3dfx gave me a more reliable feeling and better gaming experience.

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heh those ram coolers look alot like the ram coolers of my old Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro Smiley

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Reply #191 - 22.03.07 at 00:05:27
 
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I call the lads from VR Zone "Stupid nVidiots/nvidians" because they can't admit that ATi has the biggest lead in DX 10 technology, 

Let me remind you friend, ATi *STILL* doesn't have ANY DX10 cards on the market, and NV has it - for a half a year now. Please, be more realistic, ok? Smiley
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Reply #192 - 22.03.07 at 00:14:30
 
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Let me remind you friend, ATi *STILL* doesn't have ANY DX10 cards on the market, and NV has it - for a half a year now. Please, be more realistic, ok? Smiley


Mkaaay like that those GF 8800 GTX ever proved that they can render DX10 that well while there aren't even DX10 apps out there Roll Eyes

At least ATi took the time to get their product right, where as NV rushed off their product as seen with other cards just to get it on the market, yes they earned money with it but in most cases a CrossFire setup of 2 X1900 /X1950 XTX class cards beated a single 8800GTX with ease, which was kind of a dissapointment for such a card of that callibre.

ATi always had the upperhand in later API's than that of Nvidia, the X1800/1900 as 1950 series okay these were later but they did do ShaderModel 3.0 the right way.

Thereby do'n FSAA + HDR + AFHQ combined, nVidia failed to get this to work on their GeForce 7 series in a combined way, even their geForce 6 series suffered the same problem.

In the review you will see that in mosts tests a single 8800GTX is almost nowhere 100% faster than a single X1950 XTX:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf8800-games.html
It's an old test with older drivers, Cat 6.11 was used, with cat 6.12 the performace would of gained 12% overall on all X1900/1950 cards.

So it was quite obvious that 2 cards from ATi technology of Q4 2005 beat a single G8 GTX, people that had a X1900 XTX like me for like 5 to 7 mounths would only had to buy a X1950 XTX CrossFire Edition card for like 300 euro's cheaper and the G80 was beaten allround.

the HL2 engine was made to run on ATi VPU's
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As you see here with max reso + FSAA, HDR & AFHQ settings 2 R580 class VPU's beat the quad SLI setup as the G80 it's self.

But in other apps the G80 was slightly faster.

as for Prey which is built on the advanced Doom3 engine an OpenGL 2.0 app the R580 CF setup takes the lead
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even in Quake4 the R580 CF setup takes the lead @ max eyecandy + max reso:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/gf8800-games/q4_16x.gifp

that's the smart design of the dual 512Bit Ringbus memory controllers at work there.

Their GeForce 8 series was the first to get that working right, only even it is a DX10 card it never could prove that it would function properly in DX10 now did it? Roll Eyes Drool.

as over here the 8800 GTX takes a small lead but it's minmal fps is lower than that of the Quad SLI setup as CF setup:
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It would of been smarter for NV just to launch a new DX9.0c card instead it would of saved alot of money.

So then again that ATi is launching their R600 so late, isn't really such a problem since that DX10 apps aren't out yet it's wiser to launch it somewhat later than somewhat way too early, thereby the new model can get extra attention before finals, it's just a much smarter way of do'n.

But over here the CrossFire setup takes a big lead even the minimal fps is alot hogher than that of it's contestants.
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over here it depends where you are in the game sometimes the CrossFire setup is as fast as the 8800GTX
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And in other levels the GeFoce 8800 GTX is a bit faster Smiley
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it really depends on what you are running at most times, for FlightSimulator X in DX9.0c mode under XP pro I prefer using  my CrossFire setup under DX10 a 8800GTX, but it would be wiser to wait for the X2900 XT / XTX models , since they will be alot faster and give better image quallity as well, something well known from Ati cards.

As from here I rest my case.
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Reply #193 - 22.03.07 at 09:31:59
 
Hm, IMHO unfair comparing two Cards (with 2x the Power consumption & noise) vs. one card.

Put two 8800 in SLI, and I call it correct benchmarking again Wink

Right now there is basically no discussion that NVidia does not have any competition on the top end of line, apart from the power consumption being too high for my personal tast it simply is the most powerful card with no catch attached to it (price maybe).

The extreme Resolution beches even show how far ahead it is of anything else on market, even the Crossfire setups are no match against a single card, all other benches are obviously significantly CPU limited.

Technically, one could say that it is even too powerful, as there's even really little or no challenge for it available for serious testing (neither Games nor Benchmarks, it just tears through it like butter). Make it an SLI rig, and it gets even more insane, more performance than anyone could possibly use today...
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Reply #194 - 22.03.07 at 12:12:46
 
well those benchmarks I listed showed that a a crossfire setup of 2 X1950 XTX class cards was sufficiant in most cases to defeat the 384 Bit monster Smiley as most of the X-Bit Labs tests show clearly.

As you can see the a single 8800GTX was in most tests never 100% faster than even a single X1950 XTX, even if the CPU was a bottleneck a safter CPU would let the the 8800GTX run faster true, so would the X1950 XTX CrossFire setup as it always comes from both sides.

Splinter Cell gave a very good example where the X1950 XTX CF setup really crushes the 8800 GTX:
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That's with Max reso of 1600 x 1200 & 1920 x 1200 as with FSAA x14 AF x16HQ or max AF x16HQ + max HDR settings 8)

Okay what ever about those NV cards, since this is an ATi discussion topic let's keep it that way!

Well I got some more pics of the ATi Radeon X2900 XTX Retail model, the cooler can be viewed alot better this time, it's a shame of those tweak town banners on the pics Roll Eyes
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here's the source:
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1069/amd_r600_retail_radeon_x2900xtx_better_ph...
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