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Reply #30 - 01.08.05 at 03:55:14
 
LOL! My first gaming machine wasn't to far from that.

Dell XPS P-133 with a 2 MB VRAM Number9 card with a S-3 chipset. I added a 4 MB Diamond Monster Voodoo 1 card to it. I was in game heaven Grin

This machine also had a SB AWE 32 from Dell Shocked

I bought this machine brand new 10 years ago, The Voodoo upgrade was a year later in 1996.
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Reply #31 - 01.08.05 at 04:02:18
 
Or spending $200 on upgrading windows 3.1 from 4 to 8 megs of system ram just to have it run half decent, and then realize that gaming in dos was far superior to begin with  8)
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Reply #32 - 01.08.05 at 06:57:51
 
ah ha.. DOS gaming,
i miss those days

we don't talk about spyware then =)

can't help but agree with gary,
even during comdex

3dfx outshines the need for gamers enthusiasm
where else, NVidia and ATI are just pure into Business to generate as much profit possible

thats how they started lying on benchmarks.. until Futuremark had to come out with patches to counter that.
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Reply #33 - 01.08.05 at 12:16:08
 
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ah ha.. DOS gaming,
i miss those days

we don't talk about spyware then =)

can't help but agree with gary,
even during comdex

3dfx outshines the need for gamers enthusiasm
where else, NVidia and ATI are just pure into Business to generate as much profit possible

thats how they started lying on benchmarks.. until Futuremark had to come out with patches to counter that.



though ATi has more experience, they started back in '85 and they are still here now.

The Matrox G400 MAXX was the best card of it's time, here in The Netherlands for sure, they were so expensive which was the main problem for me then Smiley that card had EMBM aka EnviroMental Bump Mapping, that looked beautifull in 32 Bit D3D and OpenGL.

3dfx came with the Voodoo3 3500 AGP TV just alittle later, I chose the 3dfx because it was alot cheaper, but still had a great perfromance. the 3500 now is still one of my favourite Voodoo's, it actually has everything onboard.

I wonder if 3dfx planned a Spectre 3500 TV AGP hehe would of been cool and I still even wonder how 3dfx cards would look like in the PCI-Express world, imande 2 quad chip based 3dfx cards in SLi Lips Sealed that would of shoked the world...totally, Shocked Shocked Shocked
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Reply #34 - 01.08.05 at 15:54:33
 
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 He was stating what vendor created the graphics market. And he's right.  Tongue



Actually he isn't- The first IBM CGA color adapter came out in 1981 (Motorola based) Hercules raised the bar in 1982 (also Motorola based) and in 1987 the first VGA adapters were introduced by IBM (VLSI).

I suspect ATI was one of the first clone market board makers which were unleashed in the 1987 period when VGA was introduced.

Reseach does show there was quite a bit of gaming going on with the Hercules boards though!
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Reply #35 - 01.08.05 at 15:59:08
 
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 A fair survey would be to go out and also ask the masses at Rage3D.com and nVIDIA forums also.  I'll be sure to say you will get a result you won't expect.


I check out a number of boards all the time- There is a great deal of people who really don't care if they run ATI or Nvidia. They buy based on price/performance or features.

The number of "fan boys" is fairly small.

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3dfx revolutionised the PC graphics market, ATI created it. Grin


See post above- Hercules had the greatest impact on the PC market becoming the new PC video standard in 1982.

We are starting to get real off topic though  Grin
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Reply #36 - 01.08.05 at 16:00:44
 
Ati's early success/strength was in supplying oem's with 2d technology, it allowed ati to survive until the introduction of the radeon in 2000 as any previous models 3d technology was underwhelming at best and paled in comparison to what 3dfx and nvidia had Wink

In fact it was ati's acquisition of ArtX and the naming of Bob Orton as ati's CEO that turned ati into a real competitor in the 3d pc marketplace :

http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20030421S0028


I have a ati collection of 21 cards and have tested them all, so I can speak with knowledge about how poor the cards performed before the introduction of the first radeon, even with the release of the Radeon models ati could'nt back up the hardware with good drivers and this hurt them for a long time as well.

So no I do not believe that ati nor nvidia created the groundswell of enthusiasm for 3d technology in pc gaming, that role in 3d graphics history has to undoubtably go to its rightfull owner which is 3Dfx  Wink

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Reply #37 - 01.08.05 at 17:26:03
 
well I personally never had problems with ATi, the MAXX performs very well I must say, i think's it's morely how you config your PC, because an unstable PC is always the blame for stabillity problems, ATi is still alive , like 3dfx should of been if they didn't go on by thier selves, Ati kept the oem market vendors, even the retail brands like, Diamond Multimedia, Hercules, Power colour and so on. 3dfx should of stayed with the retail and oem market that would of been a wiser step.

I do agree that the Voodoo Graphics was an impact to the people when it was released, NV's Riva 128 was that also, it is older also, it used OpenGL and it looked very good.
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Reply #38 - 01.08.05 at 18:12:14
 
chill down evryone we all are go'n too much off topic as we all as I am. Undecided , maybe a Topic rename would be a better thing or a lock, either one. This Topic is going nowhere like this.

On-Topic from now on.

The Rampage, okay didn't it used to be called VSA-200 or is that a myth? I did recall this many times in my memories, I would really wonder how a Spectre 2000 and 3000 would of performed, was there also a Spectre 4000 in the planning?

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Reply #39 - 01.08.05 at 18:27:46
 
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Well when I say "graphics market" as you have done, I mean a mainstream graphics are actually bought through regular custom.



As the Hercules boards were.


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What boards have you been looking at? Clearly not true ATI and nVIDIA fan-based boards.


If you go to a ATI or Nvidia board of course the numbers will be skewed, might as well go to a 3dfx board and ask what the favorite there is.

Try a more general (but very large) like over at Hard OCP or Anand Tech, sure there are fanboys there but if you follow the disscusions you will see there is a very large number of people who do not care who supplies the hardware as long as it works.

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Reply #40 - 01.08.05 at 18:31:44
 
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The Rampage, okay didn't it used to be called VSA-200 or is that a myth?



Might have been, Hank indicated that before marketing actually "named" anything the engineers would just past any nickname they came up with.

Look at the naming confusion with Daytona  Grin

Since Daytona was called VSA-101 it would be no surprise that Rampage might be referred to as VSA-200 being such a large jump in performance.

A single chip Rampage card was suppose to be called Specter 1000 but I have also seen internal notes indicating Rampage 2000 and Rampage Lite!

Wacky engineers.
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Reply #41 - 01.08.05 at 19:14:27
 
Intresting thought of the day-

According to friends, when 3dfx made engineering samples they made batches of 10 to 20.

There are at least 2 and maybe 3 versions of Rampage made- A0, A1 and A2.

(The engineer indicate 10 A1 boards were made)

So that means it's possible that there was at a minimum 30 Rampage boards made  Grin
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Reply #42 - 01.08.05 at 19:28:45
 
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So that means it's possible that there was at a minimum 30 Rampage boards made 


It's hard enough to aquire a functional Voodoo5 6000. I won't bother to put this one on my short list. I think I'll stick with Quantum3D cards Grin
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Reply #43 - 01.08.05 at 22:06:55
 
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Hercules don't make their own chips.  Wink It would be pretty difficult to sell a graphics card without such a chip.   Grin  Even their first line of boards used chips imported from vendors such as Tseng Labs. So it may be Hercules' job to play the market, while ATI create it for them.  Smiley



Which doesn't change the story a jot- Hercules was still the first big name in graphics boards (which used Motorola chips)

Technically 3dfx didn't make most Voodoo Graphics and Voodoo II boards either! So the argument that Hercules didn't make their own chipsets is weak in the sense 3dfx didn't make boards either.

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Well it's not obvious what response you would get from a 3dfx board is it?  Roll Eyes



You did ask me what sort of response I would expect from an ATI or Nvidia board.

Fanboys, just like here.

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HardOCP and and AnandTech (let's also include Tom's Hardware while we're at it) are unbiased in any sense.



The forums on those sites are independent of the sites themselves. There is no shortage of people with opinions, including the site owners.

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Reply #44 - 01.08.05 at 22:27:32
 
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Intresting thought of the day-

According to friends, when 3dfx made engineering samples they made batches of 10 to 20.

There are at least 2 and maybe 3 versions of Rampage made- A0, A1 and A2.

(The engineer indicate 10 A1 boards were made)

So that means it's possible that there was at a minimum 30 Rampage boards made  Grin



30 cards omg that is very impressive, so there is A New Hope for you gary, norries about that hay Cheesy, go get that Rampy Jedi Master, really a must have Wink!

hmm I wonder what were the changes and differences between the Rev.A0, Rev.A1 and Rev.A2 modelled Rampage cards... even this, there maybe more that one working Rampage afterall, sounds interesting, I really wonder where the other missing 27 cards are. 3 are known from now on though.
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