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Re: Strange VillageTronic MacMagic? And Voodoo 2 T&L?
Reply #15 - 07.10.13 at 11:18:54

Hi,

Some notes about T&L chip:

* SAGE chip - 3Dfx engineers were expecting silicon within days of when they closed the doors. It is an experimental use of external GEOMETRY engine for CAD applications.

* NOT Rampage card with T&L chip.

* V3 with Mitshubishi chip is the only card from Sage Project. The IC Mitsubishi geometry engineCard is non-functional due to lack of drivers. It did work at One time though, the boards engineers had to hack the drivers into identifying the chip as a V3 3dfx chip.

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Re: Strange VillageTronic MacMagic? And Voodoo 2 T&L?
Reply #16 - 09.11.13 at 02:59:15

osckhar wrote on 07.10.13 at 11:18:54:

* V3 with Mitshubishi chip is the only card from Sage Project. The IC Mitsubishi geometry engineCard is non-functional due to lack of drivers. It did work at One time though, the boards engineers had to hack the drivers into identifying the chip as a V3 3dfx chip.

don't you hate it when companies decide to put stuff on your electronics but disable them to piss you off?

For example, many boards have fan pins removed, but if you're stubbord enough, you could solder some metal pins back there to plug fans there! They just remove the damn pins so you couldn't use those features, because you paid for a "less expensive" version of their boards. But in fact, it took them time and efforts to remove those pins and rebrand the whole board from "Deluxe" to "SE" or "LT" or something...

It's kinda like paying more for raw sugar, while white sugar has been refined and all that and should be the more expensive one instead...

just some rant, sorry about that.

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Re: Strange VillageTronic MacMagic? And Voodoo 2 T&L?
Reply #17 - 09.11.13 at 09:09:21

RaptorZX3 wrote on 09.11.13 at 02:59:15:

osckhar wrote on 07.10.13 at 11:18:54:

* V3 with Mitshubishi chip is the only card from Sage Project. The IC Mitsubishi geometry engineCard is non-functional due to lack of drivers. It did work at One time though, the boards engineers had to hack the drivers into identifying the chip as a V3 3dfx chip.

don't you hate it when companies decide to put stuff on your electronics but disable them to piss you off?

For example, many boards have fan pins removed, but if you're stubbord enough, you could solder some metal pins back there to plug fans there! They just remove the damn pins so you couldn't use those features, because you paid for a "less expensive" version of their boards. But in fact, it took them time and efforts to remove those pins and rebrand the whole board from "Deluxe" to "SE" or "LT" or something...

It's kinda like paying more for raw sugar, while white sugar has been refined and all that and should be the more expensive one instead...

just some rant, sorry about that.

About removing pins for fans etc, I think yer seeing it the wrong way round. Every card starts as a bare pcb and stuff gets added to it, so they didn't take it off, they just didn't put it on there.

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Re: Strange VillageTronic MacMagic? And Voodoo 2 T&L?
Reply #18 - 09.11.13 at 09:34:17

hmm ok, but then why there are solder points but no pins sticking out? just to fill in the holes?

This is silly though, since you could just use a 3-pins to Molex adapter, and then if it spin too fast or too noisy, you can use adapters to slow it down...it's just more tedious to do, but when you don't have choice because some brands were dumb enough to try to make you pay a lot more only for fans connectors on the board...i've seen some boards only having 1 or 2 3-pins connectors on them, that's horrible. But anyway, we're getting off-topic now.

It would have been great to see a Voodoo card with T&L, it would have helped greatly in later games such as Midtown Madness 2.

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