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VSA-100 board testing... surprising results
01.03.05 at 04:29:59
 
Test program- 3Dmark2001SE
(I was testing Directx functions)

AMD 3000+ Barton, Win98SE, all cards used same 3dfx driver. Motherboard is a rocking Epox with full hardware monitoring. The only cards that would report 4X AGP and 1.5 volt supply were the 4500/4800 AGP boards from 3dfx.

Everything else defaulted and locked to 2X/3.3v

Board | Interface | AGP mode | AGP volts | 2001SE

4500 32 MB,     AGP, 4X, 1.5 V, 4222 points
4800 64 MB,     AGP, 4X, 1.5 V, 4188 points
P-color TV,          AGP, 2X, 3.3 V, 4219 points
P-color L-card,  AGP, 2X, 3.3 V, 4253 points
5500 AGPx4,    AGP, 2X, 3.3 V, 3692 points
5000 AGPx4,    AGP, 2X, 3.3 V, 3059 points

4500 32 MB,    PCI,  2775 points
5500 64 MB,    PCI,  2769 points

For fun since the L-card was the firecracker of the group it was overclocked to 183 mhz, 4320 points was the outcome.

The dual chip boards were run twice to verify results, I'd say 3dfx drivers under SLI mode and Direct X are not so hot. The PCI cards really were pounded.

As you can clearly see the dual chip "4X AGP connector" cards are locked in 2X mode with 3.3 V AGP supply feed, running one of these on a modern board for any period of time would be very bad as they would fit but would be supplied the wrong voltage.

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A prototype 3dfx "L" board has been obtained and tested for AGP volts and AGP mode. It is a 3.3V part limited to 1/2x AGP so don't try running it on a modern board if you get one!

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Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results
Reply #1 - 01.03.05 at 07:39:16
 
very interesting facts gary  Smiley thanks for your work

it's weird that the SLI cards perform so bad  Undecided
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Reply #2 - 01.03.05 at 07:50:20
 
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it's weird that the SLI cards perform so bad  Undecided


Well it is a synthetic benchmark and Direct X to boot, we all know under glide/opengl that a 5500 will tear up a 4500 pretty darn quick without breaking a sweat.

3dfx's DirectX drivers were not thought to be the best and there is rumor of 2001SE being biased toward Nvidia hardware..

I thought it was intresting the fastest was a AGP 2X 4500 all else being equal.


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Reply #3 - 01.03.05 at 08:24:19
 
what about the Daytona 4200 ? is there a sense and a way to put it also in this list ?

or are the 3d problems to much to see it as a 3d accelerator card ?
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Reply #4 - 01.03.05 at 10:35:50
 
yes a test of daytone will be also very interesting.

So that  explains, why is oschars card does not work anymore.

The interesting thing, is that the AGP cards are quite faster than the PCI cards, although the rumors says, that they are both using the same PCI interface and bus clock. (66 mhz ? )

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Reply #5 - 01.03.05 at 11:31:38
 
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So that  explains, why is oschars card does not work anymore.

Exactly. Weird thing is that card worked fine daily during 3 months!

Very interesting to see like a single CHIP VSA-100 works better than 2 CHIPS VSA-100.  Shocked
What display settings did you utilize for the 3DMark2001SE? With my died card got 3300 points under 3DMark2001SE 32Bits 1024x768 with a PIV2.8HT. 

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Reply #6 - 01.03.05 at 12:28:54
 
That's indeed odd, I could swear that in all Direct3D Applications, my Voodoo5 5500 64MB AGP always beat any Voodoo4 4500, never saw it the way around.
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Reply #7 - 01.03.05 at 12:31:57
 
@gdonovan - hey Gary! You might want to try a benchmark with "GLExcess" or something similar... Wink

I don't know fo any good GLiDE benchmarking software? ???
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Reply #8 - 01.03.05 at 12:39:14
 
Unreal 1 or Unreal Tournament (Intro Loop) is pretty good for Glide Benchmarking Smiley
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Reply #9 - 01.03.05 at 14:06:46
 
or Turok2 Wink Also a nice Glide title Roll Eyes or the mission pack from Unreal Return To Na Pali Smiley there is also a 3rd party version for UT Operation Na Pali also great fun to test with and play ofcourse Smiley
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Reply #10 - 01.03.05 at 14:18:34
 
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what about the Daytona 4200 ?  


I was just doing some Direct X testing of VSA-100 using 2001SE and verifing AGP modes and voltages, this wasn't a full blown benchmark session.

I do have a page up on the site with a page of benchmarks that was done months ago.

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/bench.htm
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Reply #11 - 01.03.05 at 14:28:26
 
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What display settings did you utilize for the 3DMark2001SE?


640 x 480, 16 bit color.

Mind you I wasn't really checking performance- The point of using 2001SE as a Direct X title to check for graphic rendering errors under direct x , verify AGP modes and AGP supply voltages. I started with 2-3 cards just doing some general testing and the next thing I know a pile of VSA-100 boards were on the bench Wink

One thing I did find out is I suspect the cards are hard wired for the operating mode and voltage as flashing one of the 1.5V 4500's to a different 3.3V bios had no effect. I'll follow up on that to be sure but that is what happened with one sample.
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Reply #12 - 01.03.05 at 14:30:48
 
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That's indeed odd, I could swear that in all Direct3D Applications, my Voodoo5 5500 64MB AGP always beat any Voodoo4 4500, never saw it the way around.


The test program one is well known to be negative bias in regards to Voodoo hardware, remember the real world vs 2000/2001SE article that was posted on Suidan hardware?
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Reply #13 - 01.03.05 at 14:32:17
 
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or Turok2 Wink


Turok demo is used on this page-

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/bench.htm
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Reply #14 - 01.03.05 at 14:34:56
 
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The interesting thing, is that the AGP cards are quite faster than the PCI cards, although the rumors says, that they are both using the same PCI interface and bus clock. (66 mhz ? )



Regular PCI slots run at 33 mhz, at slowest setting AGP runs at 66 mhz. The AGP slot has twice the data transfer rate speed.
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