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Obi-Wan_Kenobi
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Descent3 image quallity...
08.03.06 at 00:29:01
 
After some time I have seen shots of Descent3 on GeForce 6800ULTRA with FSAA x4 AF x16 @ 1280 x 1024:
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and compared to the 1600 x 1200 x 16 in Glide no AA shot from the Voodoo5 6000 still has the clearer image does it not?
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To me the 3dfx card wins the image quallity look at the sky of the 3dfx shot compare that to the NV shot, no wonder why NV cards are fast they lower the image quallity and thereby get extra speed, sad to see that happen with cards of even today. Very dissapointing AA also I don't even think nor believe that nVidia used 3dfx's RG FSAA at all!

Anyways what do you think which has the sharpest image quallity?
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Re: Descent3 image quallity...
Reply #1 - 08.03.06 at 22:13:53
 
@ Obi-Wan_Kenobi,

Without a doubt the voodoo has the better image quality of the two  Wink

Check out the sky detail in quake 3 on an nVidiot card, it's a banded mess  ???
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Reply #2 - 08.03.06 at 23:50:31
 
yeaps this is what I was exactly try'n to explain on another board I'll pm you about as much as I would like to tell the whole archive.
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Reply #3 - 09.03.06 at 06:27:02
 
I gave up trying to talk to those guys over there in regards to D3 being a glide based game and the IQ being better. Have you ever seen the train scene level in D3 where you have to out run the trains to the next station? Just watch the trains go by on an nV card compared to a Voodoo card. The nV card sux!!
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Reply #4 - 09.03.06 at 14:32:38
 
yeaps even an ATi card gave better Image IQ still with the Voodoo on place one, the game is made for Glide and not D3D or OpenGL they just can't seem to think too different
Oh well @ least they locked my topic so that they can't continue it was wrecked anyways.

Nah You're right Gamma742 they are just ego, NV lost the Descent3 round in the Image Quallity tests.
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Reply #5 - 10.03.06 at 17:22:52
 
The first time I played Thief on my GF2 Ultra (after playing it exclusively on V3 hardware before that), I almost crapped myself.  I thought this $600 card was busted or something.

Turns out it was the texture compression used on NVidia hardware (I forget the name of it -- maybe someone else can help me out on that?).

Aside from the texture compression on textures covering large areas (i.e. skyboxes), I don't see any significant IQ differences between those screenshots.  Maybe if they were closer to the same frame...

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Reply #6 - 11.03.06 at 17:56:33
 
well the image quallity is verywell visable

the GeForce shot is used at 1280 x 1024 x 16 in OpenGL with FSAA x4 and AF x16

the Voodoo5 6000 shot is taken @ 1600 x 1200 x 16 in Glide no FSAA and obviously no AF hehe.

look at the sky of of the Voodoo5 6000 shot compare that with the shot of the GeForce 6800 shot, the 6800 has ugly sky as for it's dark detail in 16 Bit OpenGL the Voodoo5 has a much sharper and clearer and more colourfull image that the 6800 Ultra shot, then they say that NV uses the same FSAA as 3dfx Well I found out that FSAA x4 on a Voodoo 5 5500 AGP @ 1024 x 768 x16 in Glide even looked better also.
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Glide games run best on Glide based hardware as for Open GL and Direct3D they are just additoinal options for the game it's self, but they would and can never beat the image quallity of Glide where the game is built for Wink

Game like Half life 2 would look better on a Radeon X1800 or a GeForce 6800Ultra because those games are built for those cards, only the FSAA will look best on the Voodoo 5 5000 & 5500. that counts for FSAA x2, x4 and FSAA x8 for Voodoo5 6000.

So to get back to this thread Smiley 3dfx Wins in the Descent3 Image Quallity test as with and without FSAA.
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Reply #7 - 11.03.06 at 18:12:55
 
*shrug*

As you will.

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Reply #8 - 11.03.06 at 22:17:58
 
it's not what I will just basing out the facts Smiley
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Reply #10 - 13.03.06 at 12:00:47
 
3dfx still has the best image quallity Unreal was made for Glide Wink but this is actually a Descent3 Image quallity test between a Voodoo5 6000 and a GeForce 6800Ultra that was the base idea of this topic but norries I can change the title hehe to 3dfx Image Quallity Tests Compared I Glide Games instead , but might as well leave it the way it is Smiley

Anyways the Voodoo5 shots of your comparrison still look way better than the 7800GTX ones lol, NV does not succeed to well in Glide based games.
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Reply #11 - 13.03.06 at 12:15:09
 
Absolutely. I can't wait playing it with 8xAA. Hope that Hank gets my Voodoo5 6000 repaired (after 9 months  Tongue)

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Reply #12 - 13.03.06 at 12:18:35
 
Ah congrats with your Voodoo5 6000 as well Smiley ywell my Voodoo5 6000 is in my IKEA Table for display I use the Voodoo5 5500 PCI with FSAA x4 in the OpteronDP 244 that goes fast also Smiley with a nice 48 frames per sec Smiley the Main VGA will be here in a few days a Sapphire ATi Radeon X850XT Platinum Edition AGP and the Voodoo5 PCI will remain as main Glide card for that nice sys Smiley now I need a good VGA A-B switch Smiley

but yes to get back to the thing Smiley 3dfx PWNzz the IQ test allright Smiley Hope to see more nice shots from your 6000 soon Smiley I'll see if I can get that Voodoo5 5000 to do some nice work with FSAA x4  Grin
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Reply #13 - 13.03.06 at 12:56:04
 
Yes I also hope, that I can provide you some nice screenshots soon. My Vodooo5 6000 is from the Quantum Labs and Hank said once , that its unrepairable broken.   Embarrassed But then, he wrote in 3dfxzone, that he found the error, and mayby mine would be the first card in the world with an PLX-Bridge (instead of Hint)  Grin Then I heard nothing from him anymore, since 3 months...

But anyways. Your system seems to be really powerful. My Voodoo5 PCI is the 2nd graphics adapter in my 2400+@2.4GHz AMD-system (first is 6800GT, which will soon be replaced), and I doesn't have a vga-switch. I just connected both cards with my TFT (dvi and analog) and it works perfect.

Its so impressive, that 3dfx cards are still able to show supirior image quality, even from newer games.  Shocked




Some interesting links:


x) My 3dfx graphics card history, with links to nice screenshots (e.g. Half Life 2) http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2554684&postcount=53

x) 21-page-long thread which deals with impressive 3dfx screnshots: http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=237876

x) Thread which shows an alternative view of the anandtech voodoo5 review: http://www.voodooalert.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=8083&hilight=3dfx&hilightuser... (all images are clickable; look at the frameratedifferences of the screenshots below  Wink)


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Reply #14 - 13.03.06 at 14:52:52
 
thank you very much for the extremely high detailed reviews you went through there Smiley the Voodoo5 has defintely the best Image quallity this shot really inmpreesed me the most:
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I must say the Radeon 256 DDR isn't do'n that bad alot better than the crappy GeForce2 GTS but the Voodoo5 still has the upper hand Smiley Great shots mate Smiley

even this one I thought was very good as well :
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Here you can whitness the True quallity or Rotated Grid Full Scene Anti-Aliasing  Versus Ogressive Sample Full Scene Anti-Aliasing Smiley

RGFSAA x2 has a comparable Image Quallity as OGSFSAA x4 orsay 2x2 Smiley heh very impressed but look at that horrific sky, no wonder why the GeForces were seen as the fastest cards of thier time, just by lowering the image quallity that dramaticly LoL if 3dfx did that I would of laughed nVidia out all the way!!! Grin Grin Grin hahaha

Nice one Roflkopp Smiley
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