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Reply #45 - 10.05.05 at 11:43:36
 
@TM30,
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this is not true. i got mine from a guy who had this card purchased regularly. these cards are no prototypes...

Well, I have a friend with a V5 5500 AGP4x with NOT FOR RESALE tags on the board!  Wink

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Reply #46 - 10.05.05 at 21:59:20
 
It's needless to say that there are 5500 AGP4x-prototypes, show me one card which came out where there were no prototypes before. Wink

What I want to say: it is assumed that no card is sold before a number of prototypes were built because only with the help of prototypes you can identify problems which can't be recognized without prototypes.
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Reply #47 - 25.06.05 at 03:15:32
 
hey Gary are you gonna do more VSA-100 and VSA-101 test with 32Bit Glide in UT 1999?

Cause it is possible to force 32 Bit rendering in Glide and OpenGL in the AM 3.1 R6 and R10 drivers, it might be an interesting thing to do.
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Reply #48 - 25.06.05 at 06:21:25
 
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hey Gary are you gonna do more VSA-100 and VSA-101 test with 32Bit Glide in UT 1999?


It's possible, if so it will be under Win98 though.

I'm planning on an updated testing suite with the Barton 3000+ plaform soon as part of the V6K FAQ page.

Quake 2 & 3, Serious Sam and UT were planned to be used along with one or two new titles. Jedi Knight I think was going to be one, had not decided on another yet.

I'll be away for a few days on a road trip with mates, see you all again in a few days.
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Reply #49 - 25.06.05 at 09:49:59
 
go for Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy with patch 1.04, your Jedi training will start there , go for twin Light sabers, most effective, My advice,

May The Force Be With You, Jedi Knight Wink
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Reply #50 - 04.07.05 at 20:56:41
 
Hi,

I have tried a MULTIMETER with some voodoo cards. I wanted to see the compatibility with 1.5V. Weird results!

V4 4500 AGP4x
(Not for resale tags)
Rev A0 3000
Multimeter= 0 (1.5V)

V5 5000 AGP4x
(Not for resale tags)
Rev A0 3700
Multimeter= 58.7

V5 5500 AGP1x
(Engineer Sample)
Rev A1 0900
Multimeter= 1 (3.3V)

V5 5500 AGP4x
Rev A2 3300
Multimeter= 58.9

V5 5500 AGP4x DVI
Rev A2 3300
Multimeter= 58.7

V5 5500 AGP4x (died)
Rev A2 3300
Multimeter = 56.6

ADDED:

V4 4500 Evilking4
Rev 1.0 0051
Multimeter= 62.5

V4 4500 No TV-OUT (unknown)
Made in China
0134
Multimeter= 0

Multimeter  1= 3.3V
Multimeter  0= 1.5V

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Reply #51 - 04.07.05 at 22:52:24
 
Uhm, exactly how did you do this test - i.e. what test points on the boards did you use? ???

Also, what was the multimeter set to? ???

Remember that if we can't understand HOW you got the results - they might as well be scribbled on a napkin! Wink
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Reply #52 - 05.07.05 at 12:26:25
 
In this topic I posted a tutorial.

My multimeter was set to 2000k Ohm. When I used 200 Ohm I got some strange results with an GeForce DDR. (Different number than 0 or 1. Fluctuating numbers etc.)

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I've tested a Palit GeForce 2 MX. It gave numbers like ~121, ~20 and ~0 (fluctuating) (I used 200 Ohm)

When setting the multimeter to 2000k Ohm I was fluctuating between 0.14 and 0.
I also noticed that results can be different if you put the needle on a different place of the backplate. (Most likely a little bit dirt on the plate  Tongue )
So make sure you have a good contact between the card and your multimeter.
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Reply #53 - 05.07.05 at 13:42:37
 
well, if multimeter shows 1 this means there's no connection, if it shows 0 it means there's connection without any resistors.
If it shows some other numbers it means there's resistance somewhere.
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Reply #54 - 05.07.05 at 23:17:15
 
I also agree, there are no resistors involved...
the 200 and 2000 ohm are just the measuring ranges wich you choose when measuring some element's/circuit's resistance and you choose them for better mesurement readings eg. when measuring 50ohm on 200 ohm range you get better(more precise) readings than mesuring it on a 2k range.
In our case we don't actually measure resistance but just a connection and for that case (seen in thandor's pic of the multimeter) we set the multimeter on that diode sign, wich is the best way to check the connection (it probably also beeeeps when connected, most multimeters do)
About the "1" on the display that happens when the resistance is bigger than the selected range eg. when measuring 3kohm on 2kohm range, or in our case most probably measuring infinite ohm on 2kohm range.

Simply put if the multimeter has a beeper I (mostly) never look into the screen of the multimeter

About good contact... it is THE first thing you have to od if you even want to start getting some useful results...

Also somethnig very important when measuring high resistances (if done incorrectly might alter results) if you really have to hold the metal of the probe (needle) with your hands make sure you touch just one at a time and that you do not touch something else on the card with the other, or even better do not hold anything besides the insulation on the probes (needels) That's because our body also conduces a bit and in case we "include ourselves in the circuit" results might vary a lot.

Hope I gave some useful info (and hope/suppose someone here does already know this stuff I wrote)
btw: I'm an electrician that's why I might have been a bit annoying with all this text
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Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results
Reply #55 - 05.07.05 at 23:52:15
 
NICE tutorial! Grin
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Reply #56 - 06.07.05 at 00:52:08
 
Clear description, st4r4m4m4.

I'm not good in electricity and that sort of stuff Wink
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Reply #57 - 06.07.05 at 10:38:05
 
hey Osckhar, does the Voodoo5 5500 AGP Rev.A0 4499 work, yeah I'm aiming at the comdex 5500 AGP from 1999 Smiley

Because that is actually the only vsa-100 based card showed on that show, something some didn't know yet, the Voodoo4 4500 was actually a Voodoo3 3500 from compaq USA with a TV-out, and like Gary explained the Voodoo5 6000 2x2card, has no VSA-100's at all but instead 4 V3 3500 chips Smiley, that is why 3dfx put those VSA-100 stickers on, so  am wondering if that Voodoo5 would really work.

I hope you could test it for me Smiley If this is too personal norries Os:) I undderstand.
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Reply #58 - 06.07.05 at 11:30:12
 
@Obi,
My v5 5500 Engineer sample with NOT FOR RESALE tags, dated in the year 2000, week 9. It is a rev A1 and it is setting to 143MHz but if I am not wrong it doesn't work well. It has an early Bios 1.00A and has the SPOTS for DVI connection. Tonight, I will try the card and I will check if really the card works well. I will upload PICS from the card and box to http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/3dfx_collectors ; Wink

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Reply #59 - 06.07.05 at 11:35:01
 
I thought you had the 1999 comdex 5500 AGP, that's the card I meant really Wink that's a Rev.A0 4599, the card you mentioned now is the one made after it Wink

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