Let's make a thread to acknowledge the rest of the world that uses NV cards... So - questions, answers, discussions about Nvidia cards/mainboards/chipsets/misc here  8)

Let's start with this "misc", or better said "miss" from Cebit 2007 in front of the GF FX8800 panel:

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7195/extraux7.th.jpg

I have only 2 nVidia cards:

Riva TNT 2 16Mb
Riva TNT 2 M64 based Vanta 16Mb


I've never used them only tested the hardware which came with them.

well I have only one NV card a Hercules 3D Prophet II ULTRA orsay the oppenent of the Voodoo 5 6000, I must say that the image quallity of that GF2U is horrible, as it's FSAA is, the 6000 really beats it in most glide apps with FSAA as well.

the T&L effect of that card was quite nice but when the GeForce3 Golden Sample from Gainward came, that was alot better and from that I bought a nice Leadtek GeForce 4 Ti4600 from that Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro & Club3D 9700 Pro, after them a XFX GeForce 6800 GT AGP 256MB with Dual DVI and this was real last GeForce since my 9700 Pro's gave me a far better image quallity as from this I went for the most powerfull AGP card of that day the ASUS ATi Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition AGP 256MB and from that only ATi cards just because of the better overall performance, image quallity as the tuned Omega drivers.

Hmm...well, most of us may not like nV cards, but some people might wanna' discuss them here in the "This & That" area... ::)

Fine by me! :)

Oh, and I would 'play hard' with that booth babe anytime! ;D

WOOT! 8)

wrote on 22.03.07 at 22:28:18:

Hmm...well, most of us may not like nV cards, but some people might wanna' discuss them here in the "This & That" area... ::) Fine by me! :) Oh, and I would 'play hard' with that booth babe anytime! ;D WOOT! 8)

I agree! I would advise her to remove that XFX shirt heh what's behind that is always more important than an XFX logo ::) But yeaps most 3dfx people use ATi cards as non 3dfx card  :)

wrote on 22.03.07 at 21:49:57:

well I have only one NV card a Hercules 3D Prophet II ULTRA orsay the oppenent of the Voodoo 5 6000, I must say that the image quallity of that GF2U is horrible,

That's quite correct. The image quality of the whole GF2 family is gruesome. But if you take a TNT2 pro/Ultra, for example, it had apsolutely wonderfull 3D&2D quality. It's unbelivable how that card was able to be fine-tuned... And then came first detonators and scr@wed everything, just to be able to get some speed increase in battle for the speed-crown.

But these days are long over... How about GF8800 image quality... and experience...  8)

heh a 3dfx Voodoo 4 + 5 FSAA image quallity still shines above that of any new card if it's ATi or nvidia or something else, instead of of using Software based advanced shaders it does it fully hardware matic. ;) and really FSAA x8 on a Voodoo5 6000 is much nicer than FSAA x8 on my CrossFire setup as FSAAx8S of my dad's Leadtek GeForce 6800 AGP 128MB [Yes My dad plays games too ;D so does my mom LoooL she has a simple but nice HIS Radeon 9550 AGP 256MB 128Bit :P ]

FSAA x12 on the CF setup as Forced FSAA x10 on the 6800 has about the same quallity as FSAA x16 on a V6K,
I used Riva Tuner for that forced setting 8)

as we are all big 3dfx fans we know that the Napalm series had the FSAA all round compared to the new gen stuff :) 3dfx always shines on there :P

3dfx shall always be King of 3D

3Dfx will PWNS all newer cards until H#CK freezes over! 8)

I have a  GeForce Go 6150 and would like to speed it up a little to get to the speed of the 5700.
Do you know how to do this on a notebook.

nVidia has also released GoForce -a cell phone graphics solution.

but ati has did it long time ago. Nokia(finnish company not japanese :) ) and ati are planning something cool to cell phone gaming http://mobilementalism.com/2006/05/04/nokia-and-ati-combine-to-bring-mobile-3d-gaming/

n-gage is a great product too, but I'm unsure was ati involved in that

wrote on 23.03.07 at 09:18:33:

I have a  GeForce Go 6150 and would like to speed it up a little to get to the speed of the 5700. Do you know how to do this on a notebook.

You can try it with a Rivatuner:
http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?page=rivatuner

If Riva can't do it - it can't be done. Beware - overclocking video cards in laptops is more dangerous then overclocking in desktops. But don't be discouraged - just be extra carefull and pay attention to anomalities (if any) on the screen. To test for anomalities use windowed rthdribl (Real-Time High Dynamic Range Image-Based Lighting ):
http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~masa/archives/rthdribl_1_2.zip
good luck!  :)

Edit: here's some info about mobile video cards:
http://www.overclock.net/laptops-notebook-computers/124821-mobile-graphics-card-info.html

Doing Dell warrenty repair work for two years, I can tell you to be carefull on OCing notebooks. Most companies try to fit what they can with the least amount cooling on those things. More cooling means more time with the engineers trying to figure out how to cool them. The best example I can put towards this, are the AMD 3200+ Barton chips. There just isn't any headroom to OC the thing. Same thing with laptops only the limitation might not be the chip itself but because of the hardware around it. Hope that made some sence.

Bottom line. Just watch out for anomalities. Have fun, good luck.

Rivatuner doesn´t work with the Nvidia drivers for Windows Vista So I cannot use t but I can try ATITool.

Well is the maximum temp. of the GPU (In this case a IGP) in notebooks lower than in desktop systems  Or why is OCing on Notebooks so dangerous ?

because the heat sinks are miminium specced. With limited space, there's limits to what they can put in system and how fast the heatsinks with disipate the heat. Dell's XPS systems, at least some of the older ones, have three fans in the thing because of the the 9800 card in there.

wrote on 23.03.07 at 15:35:10:

Well is the maximum temp. of the GPU (In this case a IGP) in notebooks lower than in desktop systems  Or why is OCing on Notebooks so dangerous ?

Imagine: If a chip may reach 70C and not higher and the cooling can get it only 69C when stressed then it's not advisable to overclock. Unless you install better cooling. In notebooks it's the same: The default cooling is quite minimal (compared to huge-sized heatsinks which can easily fit in a desktop) so the temperature will raise more easily.

Bottomline: Notebook cooling is minimal (but enough in most cases) so overclocking is not recommended.

wrote on 23.03.07 at 17:19:25:

because the heat sinks are miminium specced. With limited space, there's limits to what they can put in system and how fast the heatsinks with disipate the heat. Dell's XPS systems, at least some of the older ones, have three fans in the thing because of the the 9800 card in there.

Yo I got one here :) well no XPS, a 9100 Xtreme with P4-E 3400 HT 2x 512MB PC3200 Infineon & indeed an ATi M18 Mobillity Radeon 9800 256Bit 256MB GDDR2 2.5ns, it's actually an ATi R420 with 8 Pixelshader Pipes & 4 Vertex Shader Processor units, typically a Mobile X800GT AGP :)
and no 9800 which is based on R350 and not the much faster R420 :)

wrote on 23.03.07 at 20:22:59:

Bottomline: Notebook cooling is minimal (but enough in most cases) so overclocking is not recommended.

BUT! Not only cooling is minimal, but heat dissipation and voltage too. That means that there ARE still overclocking possibilities. I overclocked my mobility Radeon 9600 PRO from 350/200 to 380/235 stable. Not much, but enough for almost 10 000 marks in 3Dmark 01 (with a 1.4Ghz CPU) ;)

I wonder when nVidia launches its budget DX10 craphic-cards. I think ati is first to do that and that is victory for ati 8)

wrote on 26.03.07 at 09:47:02:

I wonder when nVidia launches its budget DX10 craphic-cards. I think ati is first to do that and that is victory for ati 8)

Ask yourself - why would Nvidia do that in the first place? The lauch of next-gen 8600GT/GS would jeopardise the sales of the old 7600/7900, that is going quite well, if I may add. It would only be making yourself (your own products) a competition, and it would give a basic idea to ATI how exactly must the mid-range cards be, to beat it.

In short, they are waiting for R600 to launch - then they will strike. GF8600 is no secret, it's already there - built. There were many such cards on Cebit. The press said, that the manufacturers are stock-piling that cards and waiting for a green light wrom Nvidia to start selling.

So, early in may is the answer :)

Edit: oh, expect 8900 Ultra to  show up also and re-take the performance crown, end may or early in Jun (Computex)

retake the performance crown heh maybe ;) if it still would take use iof the 384Bit Memory interface I doubt it would beat the X2900 XTX but's we'll have to see since the X2900XTX is gonna use a more advanced version of the R600 VPU aka the R650 ;D so we'll see what will happen, I have my doubts on this 8900 Ultra, since ATi had so much time to work on their Uber card I think they really got it right this time 8)

wrote on 26.03.07 at 16:13:58:

I have my doubts on this 8900 Ultra, since ATi had so much time to work on their Uber card I think they really got it right this time 8)

Well we can hope that they got it, but as far as I've heard - the R600 beats 8800GTX very, very marginaly. It just doesn't pay of waiting half a year for such a lousy win.

The problem is that R650 as you call it is nothing else but a 65nm R600; and that also is no problem - the real problem are the GPU yields @ 65nm process -they are really, really low. So if there are going to be ANY 65nm R600 cards at all, they are going to be only paper-launched (or press-launched) for the time beign.

Btw, Fuad tells that ATI has given up on 65nm GPU as for now. The next launch may come much, much later (Q3 or Q4) and by then 8900 (Ultra) is going to be, well, again half a year on top.

ATI is still galloping behind. Unfortunatelly :(

wrote on 26.03.07 at 17:09:48:

Well we can hope that they got it, but as far as I've heard - the R600 beats 8800GTX very, very marginaly. It just doesn't pay of waiting half a year for such a lousy win. The problem is that R650 as you call it is nothing else but a 65nm R600; and that also is no problem - the real problem are the GPU yields @ 65nm process -they are really, really low. So if there are going to be ANY 65nm R600 cards at all, they are going to be only paper-launched (or press-launched) for the time beign. Btw, Fuad tells that ATI has given up on 65nm GPU as for now. The next launch may come much, much later (Q3 or Q4) and by then 8900 (Ultra) is going to be, well, again half a year on top. ATI is still galloping behind. Unfortunatelly :(

heh that is if you believe in rumors from a Pro Nvidian site ::) D'oh.

they wern't even true facts how can you be so sure about that heh? Lolz.

Ok, I stopped ready this thread when it when into ATI stuff. Granted I'm an ATI user but think we should really stay on topic with the thread and keep it Nvidia. This boards mature enough to not get into the whole Nvidiot/ATIbrat syndrome thing. Keep the Nvidia over on this board and the ATI stuff on the board that's already into many pages long. Lets make these post informational for the people that would like the info on there given card company.

Thanks.     :P

True I agree but when taking new Ati info serious from pro NV sites, and making them state as facts which they are not and thereby posting that in a NV thread, it does attend to be seen as Pro NV behaviour, which isn't the idea.

That is why I LoL'd ;)

wrote on 26.03.07 at 23:18:26:

True I agree but when taking new Ati info serious from pro NV sites, and making them state as facts which they are not

If you're going to claim something, please back it up - if not, stop poluting ok? According to you, there are 99% pro NV sites on the net  ;D

BTW, Fudo (Inq) is really, really pro 3Dfx site AND pro - ATI site; Fudo himself uses ATI, so I really don't understand your LoLs, but the bird is nice.

Hey now, it's "delay-time"! Nvidia G84 and G86 delayed until half april!

http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38500

Now, both ATI and Nvidia are delaying their products. I am beggining to think there are some unknown forces out there (VIA, Intel, Microsoft, or maybe even Gremlins) that are making this happen  ;D Anyway, it's bad for us - not for them. The later they get that cards out, the longer we will have to wait for an upgrade!  ;)

Offtopic: I have allready prepared myself for x1900 AIW, E4300 and Asus P5B Deluxe WiFi... just waiting for the new cards so that the prices go down a bit...  ;)

Well volks, we have a new world record in 3Dmark 03 by Kingpin - allmost 100 000!!! Test rig - GeForce 8800 Ultra SLI on Intel Core 2 Extreme x6800.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=143117&page=5
That's it... Intel+Nvidia= best performance today. ::)

Hopefully the new CPU from AMD, Barcelona, is going to add some juice to the already dried up line of CPUs.  

to quote the dear Doc from back to the future:

DAMN!! .........DAMN DAMN!!!! :)

that is one wicked score, sick really. I thought mine was nice with 24000. LOL

Guys, I am sure that many of you are ATI fans (I count myself in, too), but I got a GF 8800gts 320MB recently and changed my opinion.

I would say, that this GF reminds me of old 3dfx - there are LOD BIAS quality settings! Finaly, it allows us to use LOD @ -3, which delivers exactly the same 3D quality as V5 5500! The difference between this card (8800 series) and any other GF series is unbelivable. Also, there is no ATI card (excluding x2900 - didn't try that one) that has THIS good 3D quality!

Also, Linux has a really great nvidia support! I got the driver working after only a few minutes and it works much, much better then the ATI driver (and R9600/x800) - especially in Video reproduction under 3D Destkop (Beryl/Compiz).

Anyway, I am going to upload some pic's with LOD -3 for you, to see for yourself  8)