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31.01.06 at 20:06:35

(3 MB) V5 5500 PCI cooling mod, face, top-down.

(3 MB) V5 5500 PCI cooling mod, face, first angle.

(3 MB) V5 5500 PCI cooling mod, face, second angle.

(3 MB) V5 5500 PCI cooling mod, face, third angle.

(3 MB) V5 5500 PCI cooling mod, face, fourth angle.

(3 MB) V5 5500 PCI cooling mod, face, close-up.

(3 MB) V5 5500 PCI cooling mod, back, first angle.

(3 MB) V5 5500 PCI cooling mod, back, second angle.

(1.5 MB) Installed.

System:

DFI LanParty NF2 Ultra 'B' (with cooling mods)
Athlon XP 3200+ (with ThermalRight SI-97 + Panaflo 90mm)
1 GB Mushkin PC-3200 2-2-2 Special (BH-6)
Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB (with Zalman VF700 AlCu & Zalman RAM sinks)
Sound Blaster Live!
3Dfx Voodoo 5 5500 PCI (Mac edition, flashed to PC, with Zalman RAM sinks and Zalman NB32 chipset sinks)
2 x Seagate 120 GB Barracuda 7200.7 (ATA-100, 8 MB)
Plextor PX-708A
OCZ Powerstream 520W
Lian Li PC-73SL (with Panaflo 80mm and 120mm fans)

All heatsinks that couldn't be pinned are attached with Arctic Silver Epoxy. No thermal tape. Chipset sinks were applied with Arctic Silver Ceramique, which is quite simply phenomenal, and the CPU is done up with AS5.

I wanted to run this system under Windows 98 and DirectX 8.1b for any pre-DX9 games. The 9800 Pro has lots of horsepower for those older DirectX and OpenGL engines, while the V5 5500 would run any GLIDE games in style.

Unfortunately, it appears that Windows 98 doesn't handle multiple displays as well as Windows 2000 or XP, so I can't have use of both graphics cards. It's close, but not close enough to work.

Zeckensack's GLIDE wrapper appears to work flawlessly with my favorite GLIDE games (Myth and Myth II) on the 9800 Pro, so it looks like I'll probably retire the V5500. Not sure whether to sell it or just keep it for a "trophy".

Anyway, I thought some of you might be interested in the pictures, and I was interested in a little show & tell, so there you go.

Wink

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gamma742 God Member Offline 3Dfx Gamer Posts: 1668 San Diego, CA USA Gender:	Re: Pictures! Reply #1 - 01.02.06 at 00:21:28 It looks great I really like the power connector cable on the V5 The 9800 looks good too. Does the MAC to PC flash support the DVI for flat panel?
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Reply #2 - 01.02.06 at 01:37:52

I couldn't get it to work.

When I installed the 3Dfx reference drivers, as FalconFly suggested, I did get the "3dfx Digital" tab in Display Properties, but it would never allow me to enable the digital out. It kept telling me I didn't have an LCD monitor connected.

That happened even if I started the computer with my L2335 connected to the DVI port, turned on, and set to DVI (Digital) input. I don't know why it wouldn't detect it.

I'm thinking that either the BIOS flash didn't work as it was supposed to, or the DVI port is damaged...

???

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gamma742 God Member Offline 3Dfx Gamer Posts: 1668 San Diego, CA USA Gender:	Re: Pictures! Reply #3 - 01.02.06 at 05:05:14 Did you try the one from this web page... http://welcome.to/3dfxBios there is a BIOS there for the V5 with the DV enabled
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Renner Full Member Offline Frequent Failure Posts: 109 Alberta, Canada Gender:	Re: Pictures! Reply #4 - 01.02.06 at 06:16:01 Yep, I used the 1.18 (Digital Output Enabled, States: v5). Flashed it about 3 times, too, on the basis of this suggestion. It has suddenly struck me that I should try it once more now that I've actually had it running in Windows. I can't see why it would matter, but hey, it's worth a shot...
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Reply #5 - 01.02.06 at 12:11:58

If you still have Win98 installed, you should remove 50% of your RAM.

Default Win98 can only handle 512MB, above it can result in all kinds of oddities (free RAM will interfere with PCI Address space allocated by Windows and will cause erratic System behaviour).

There are some Tweaks which have made it possible for some people to successfully use 640MB, 768MB, and in very rare occasions 1GB of RAM under Win9x.

(under WinNT,2000,XP this Limitation does not occur until reaching ~3.5GB, everything above that is just blanked out and simply not usable but does not cause any errors as under Win9x)

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Reply #6 - 01.02.06 at 13:33:20

though there is an easy sollution to this problem Wink

Just Install Unofficial Service Pack 2.1a and your worries are over Win98SE shall use 1GB + of ram with out any problems my Win98SE system can handle 1GB of ram without Problems thanx to this UnOfficial Service pack it gives your PC a Windows 2000 look also

here the site from where to get it:
http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html

here an example of how it looks like:

This is the Ultimate Sollution for all your Win98SE worries!
here's a Direct link to download the English version of the UnOfficial Service Pack 2.1a:
http://download.freewarefiles.com/files/sesp21a-en.exe

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Reply #7 - 01.02.06 at 15:23:29

Quote:

If you still have Win98 installed, you should remove 50% of your RAM.

Default Win98 can only handle 512MB, above it can result in all kinds of oddities (free RAM will interfere with PCI Address space allocated by Windows and will cause erratic System behaviour).

There are some Tweaks which have made it possible for some people to successfully use 640MB, 768MB, and in very rare occasions 1GB of RAM under Win9x.

(under WinNT,2000,XP this Limitation does not occur until reaching ~3.5GB, everything above that is just blanked out and simply not usable but does not cause any errors as under Win9x)

I was under the impression that W98's problem with >512 MB of RAM was strictly the VCACHE bug, which I work around using Cacheman 5.0 (a great tuning program for W9X memory and cache settings).

The system is stable as a rock in Prime95 and 3DMark 2001 SE...

Are you sure it has effects beyond the VCACHE?

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FalconFly YaBB Administrator Online 3dfx Archivist Posts: 2445 5335N 00745E Gender:	Re: Pictures! Reply #8 - 01.02.06 at 16:27:27 Depends on what you experience when using Applications that use up the full 1GB of RAM. If everything runs smoothly, I guess it fixed your Problem (although I think there are more Tweaks towards Win9x Memory Management than just the Vcache issue)
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paulpsomiadis God Member Offline -=3Dfx still rox!=- Posts: 2011 Newcastle U.K. Gender:	Re: Pictures! Reply #9 - 02.02.06 at 01:17:41 @Obi_wan is correct - just about anyone who uses Win98SE uses the unofficial SP2.1a... ...to put it mildly - it KICKS @RSE! 8)
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Reply #10 - 02.02.06 at 01:22:43

ahuh I even ran it with 2GB of ram no prob's what so ever it's PURE PWNAGE for 3dfx users Wink

My V6K Rig is surely gonna get Unofficial SP 2.03 that's the dutch version of 2.1a Wink

Norries there Paul Wink

Win98SE with that UO SP2 boots even faster that XP Pro with SP2 lol rather insane for such an ole OS to beat the later one

Though I do miss Administrator rights in 98SE UOSP2.03, like you still have Win2KPro+SP4 For stabillity I do prefer Win2K Pro + SP4 and AmigaMerlin 3.1 R11 hehe.

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Reply #11 - 02.02.06 at 02:33:58

Well, I think I'll pass on the unofficial SP. I looked it over, but I don't need 80% of what it offers (for a strict legacy gaming machine), and I'm comfortable doing the other 20% manually.

I did get some useful W9X information from the links on that page, though, which is always nice.

For the record, boot time has never been a problem on my W9X machines. While I was testing with that V5 system, cold boot was maybe 20 seconds. The key is that it's a clean, stripped install without any network components or third-party applications running on startup.

Now for some more tinkering to see if that DVI port is gonna work...

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Obi-Wan_Kenobi Ex Member	Re: Pictures! Reply #12 - 02.02.06 at 02:54:46 hmm the problem is you can't stress Win98SE to much when it's lock's up you can't open the task manager and kill the task like in 2K or XP Home/Pro hehe that is where 98SE always fails, it very bad in heavy stressfull stuff. but back to the DVI problem maybe you have a bad Sillicon Image chip? that may be your answer.
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