I don´t know what to buy,  ???, which is the most powerful card in performance: Geforce 4 Ti 4600, Ati Radeon 9000, Ati Radeon 9500; and in quality?, and in price? ???, and please tell me why (with results, no with thoughts)

well, tell me your opinion, what card do you buy? and why?

Hmm...

This is not an easy question, and largely depends on your needs, the money you want to spend, and what the prices those are where you live.

Anyway, the Ti4600 should win about all Benchmarks against the 9500 or 9000 (both non-pro).

The Image Quality should be the best with the Radeon's though, as NVidia slightly reduced Texture Quality in their 40.xx Detonator Drivers to achieve higher performance.

If those are your only options, the Price will probably draw the line where to go.

Personally, I'd not buy the R9000, as the old R8500 or /LE are quite a bit faster, and can possibly be picked up second hand for very little money...

The R9500 (non-pro) I think is still a bit too pricey (at least where I live), and loses the Price/Performance ratio vs. the Ti4600.

If I was looking into buying 'right now', I'd look into Radeon8500, Radeon 9500pro, or a Radeon 9700 (non-pro) for high-end. The 9500pro is certainly on par with the Ti4600, and wins if Aniso/FSAA comes into play, plus it should win Image Quality comparisons.

And the 9700, well, is still quite an investment, but delivers ludicrous performance and image Quality (e.g. 4x Aniso + 4x FSAA literally doesn't cause any heartburns to this monster, putting it at unsurpassed quality levels).

And the good old R8500 (now being sold with minimal modifications as "R9100") is still very good, probably has the best price/performance ratio (if you get a good deal on it).

As said, it's all a matter of the exact prices you're getting where you live, and performance level & Image Quality you want to achieve, so I can't hands-down recommend a single of the candidates you listed.

Thanks Falconfly, this is the best forum where I have registered because with people like you, all is easier ;)

:)

I'd also recommend browsing the various Benchmark pages, to get the Reviews of the respecive Cards :

NVidia GeForce4 Ti4600 :
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1613

ATI Radeon 8500 :
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1558

ATI Radeon 9000pro :
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1655

ATI Radeon 9500pro :
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1756

If you prefer other Review Sites, you could also try :
http://www.ocworkbench.com/index.stm
http://www.tomshardware.com/
http://www.3dgpu.com/
http://www.extremetech.com/

...to name a few ;)

oh! It´s great, very interesting, I have seen a lot of benchmark and I think, I am going to buy a Radeon 9500pro because is cheaper than geforce 4 Ti 4600, and have more features (is a directx 9 card) and with FSAA and Anisotrophic filtering is much faster and has better image quality, thanks :D

Yep, the Radeon 9500pro is an excellent choice you won't regret :)

And indeed, no matter what Card one is running, no-one is left outside if help or advice is needed.

I have a question, are there many incompatibilities with Ati (in games)?, I´ve heard that these cards have incompatibilities in a lot of games, is it true? :'(

This used to be true in the past (ATI Rage128 Drivers were a terrible example :P ), but with today's Catalyst Drivers for the Radeon's, that Situation has greatly improved...

Since NVidia reduced the default texture Quality in their 40-Series Detonators, I'd even say, the ATI Drivers are better in many cases.

Yet, there will always be a few bugs or errors, no matter what card.

(Haven't tried the latest 3.1 Catalyst yet, but it's supposed to be good.)

So far, I haven't run into any severe Problems with the ATI Drivers.

I´m afraid of buying a new ati and have problems with it, in a shop a guy bought an ati 9000pro and later he take back the card to the shop, it´s why I´m not sure about buying an ati :P

he said that he couldn´t play games well and he wanted to change his ati or something similar

Hm...

I can only speak for my Radeon 9700pro, and mostly for a friend's Radeon 8500.

We are both extremely happy with those cards, performance and image Quality is very nice.

So far, I haven't heard any general, negative words about the Radeon 9000pro, which is a good deal for the money (if your local dealer has 'normal' prices).

Thanks, I feel better, I was decided to buy a radeon but this rumour scared me,  now I want to buy a radeon.:D

are there any page with a comparison between ati radeon 9500pro and 9600pro?

Check Anandtech ;)

www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1794

thanks falconfly. I have already seen that comparison, it compares radeon 9700 and 9800 but I want to see 9600 and 9500 because I don´t know what is faster. 9500 has 8 pipeline and 9600 4 pipeline but faster clock and memory. so that I want to see that comparison. I want to buy 9500 pro but I don´t find it here in Spain. If 9600 is better I´ll wait a bit and I´ll buy it. What do you recommend?

BTW how does Nvidia's Personal Cinema stack up against the ATI All In Wonder? Are there any pages that compare the two?

Hm, in that Case I can only recommend the 'good old oracle' : Google ;)

Reviews of all the new Models are popping up everywhere, so they should be easy to find.

One more question: Are there any radeon 9500 non-pro with 128Mb?

yeah, but an ati 9500 non-pro of 128Mb built by the oficial ati?

I think it is not important anymore, whether is is BBA (Built by ATI) or PBA (Powered by ATI).

Ever since the Catalyst Driver was introduced, there is no difference between those Driver-wise.

And for as long as the basic Numbers (GPU/Mem Clock) are okay, and the manufacturer isn't known for poor Quality, it is okay to buy whatever brand you prefer...

My Radeon 9700pro is made by HIS, and works just as fine as any other (even more expensive) brands, and the same is true for my Powercolor Radeon 7500 Ultra ;)

the problem is that, in a shop, I have asked about the radeon 9500 pro but he has given me the properties of an ati radeon 9500 128Mb DDR DVI, and, if there aren´t any radeon 9500 with 128 Mb I´ll buy but I´m not sure if it´s a radeon 9500 or 9500 pro ???

and I need a new power supply?

Hm ?

Well, the seller (or the Retail Package) has to clearly show, whether it is a R9500 or R9500pro...

Makes for a difference in price and performance, so they should be able to tell you...

Unless you think your current Power Supply is running already on the edge, it should work...
For any modern System, a solid 300W should do very well, and leave even some Wattage to spare ;)

I sent an e-mail to the shop:
I wrote this:

Quote:

Hello, I would like to know if you have the graphic card ati radeon 9500 pro of 128Mb and how much would it cost

They answered me this:

Quote:

Hello, Thanks for consulting us: graphic card VGA ATI RADEON 9500 128MB DDR TV OUT+DVI            211.31 €/u

Well I have sent another message asking about if it´s a 9500 or 9500 pro because  the 9500 pro is more powerful.
They haven´t answered yet.
What do you think? :-/
in www.hwc.es is where I have found that shop and there are an ati radeon 9500pro but in the title it shows 9500 of 128Mb, I think that it´s the same product.
It would be a 9500 pro or a 9500 non-pro?

yeah, but I can´t see the box unless I buy it and they send it to me :(

I'd recommend :

If these people can't get their act together, and tell you exactly what model of a Card this is : Don't Buy there !

A good and reliable shop should even be able to answer much more detailed questions like manufacturer of the VRAM and exact memory type (e.g. 4.0ns, 3.6ns etc) for example.

If they can't even tell if it's a R9500 or R9500pro, they're not the place to buy...  ::)

ok, if they don´t ansewer me this tuesday, I´ll forget to buy the card there.

hello, I have come again, they have answered me this:

Quote:

Answering to your hesitation, I say you that the cards radeon 9500 and 9500pro are the same, if you want to see the properties, you can see it in the ati webpage: www.ati.com and you´ll see the comparative.

well, now I am thinking the radeon 9500 and 9500 pro aren´t the same >:(, but I went to the ati website and they only show the radeon 9500 pro, please look that website and tell me your opinion :-/

lol

Well, they are not the same...
(Definitely forget that shop, this is ridiculous !)

http://www.falconfly.de/img/radeons.jpg

The Radeon 9500 only has 4 Pipelines, while the 9500pro has 8...

I am here again, I have asked them if it´s the same card that they show in their website and they have answered that yes, it is. In the website there are a card and in the name put ati radeon 9500 128 Mb, but if you see the properties, it is written in the section processor: radeon 9500 pro.
So, it´s a radeon 9500 pro with all its features so I am going to buy it. :D

I hope to have this card this friday but if not, I´ll have to wait until the Wednesday. :(
But, in the end, I am going to have the radeon 9500 pro!!!!!!
yeah!!!!!!!!
my 3 years with my v3 have been well but I´m tired of playing bad in games and not playing in others.
Well, bye voodoo, thanks to 3dfx makers and the forums that have been supporting us. But the life continues and I will never sell my v3.
I want to play now!!!!!! 8)