I notice that "The Jedi Master "  ;D did not post from some days..... it's not usual... :-/

Obi ! Are u ok ? or are u in Holyday ?
;)

May the Force be with u!  :)

he is online (@msn) but no answer...

He's (on holidays?) in Spain .. perhaps no time to respond :D

Darth Mauled his shoes... ::)

...so he's going to get them repaired. ;)

OMG LOL! ;D

He'll be back...sit calmly and wait. :)

Well just arrived home last night @ 01:40AM,we had a very bad time since we had to drive from Toulouse to Dirksland where I live, a 1034KM trip in just 14 hours with the car + caravan since of the bad and shocking news, my dad's mother was transferred to the hospital instantly since she had terrible pains in her lower body, as her right leg stopped functioning... :'(

What was known that she did have bladder cancer for 4 years, but what the medics thought is that that cancer has seeded out to her liver, but they are not sure if this is the case, her defecation seemed to contain many blood and that was the signal that it wasn't too bright as her body temperature was increasing as decreasing very rapidly from temps of 37,8 to 41 degrees Celcius very dangerous temps for an 84 year old which was occuring the first 48 hours when she arrived, and today we paid a visit to see how shee was doing and her temp remained stable @ 38,4 degrees C for the last 8 hours, let's hope the antibiotics are digging in as that cancer didn't spread. :-/

Some medics believe it's a new sort of cancer but we hope not for that for the worst, since new types of cancer are very hard to treat. :(

For my father as the rest of my familly as myself these last few days have been shocking in a very depressive state, we have troubles sleeping and too many things are troubling our minds this also explains my absence. :'(

My Applogies what has happened here in the past, my Moderator account has been removed, it's not that which is the reason I'm not here, it's just that there are too many things going on my familly now as other victims of cancer have been added as a good aunt of mine as uncle, just too many things, I won't be online for quite some time my friends. :'(

A disturbance in The Force by the Many is my explaination of my absence.

Hope things get better for you @Obi_Wan - sounds like some NASTY happenings! :o

My condolences - and the best of luck to you and your family! :)

wrote on 26.06.07 at 04:31:30:

Hope things get better for you @Obi_Wan - sounds like some NASTY happenings! :o My condolences - and the best of luck to you and your family! :)

thank you Paulpsomiadis, well she didn't pass away yet but we hope she will recover though we have our boubts on that, since new types of cancer are very difficult to treat. :-/

I hope everything works out ok for you and your family Obi-Wan, this is not something you want to hear happening to anyone.

Best of luck and I hope to hear some good news about this in the near future.

thanx for the good words my friends.

May the Force be with you my Friend in this hard moments.
Hope that thinks will go better for you and your fammily !
Take care.

Yeah thanx for that m14radu.

her condition is quite stable as since Tuesday til now on, let's hope that the results we get next week won't be such of a downdraft... it's the waiting ya know the waiting of what are the results gonna be  :-/

ladies and gentlemen...
the most active user of falconfly left the board...
the most friendly user left the board...

i want to thank all the trolls out there for this honorable behavior...and now shut the hell up...i am pissed off...

wrote on 05.07.07 at 14:58:51:

ladies and gentlemen... the most active user of falconfly left the board... the most friendly user left the board... i want to thank all the trolls out there for this honorable behavior...and now shut the hell up...i am pissed off...

Yes he did, got tired of all the accusations by FalconFly (Nasty PM's) and decided to dedicate his time in reviving x-3dfx.com (the ORIGINAL AND TRUE x-3dfx site).
It's going to take a lot of work so he's opted to give up his knowledge and time to make it happen.

Peace.

Please explain, Obi has had free rein of this forum for years, indeed he is a moderator.

wrote on 05.07.07 at 19:20:21:

Please explain, Obi has had free rein of this forum for years, indeed he is a moderator.

Well first of all he had his Moderator status revoked and threats of being banned.

He was also called a failure by Falcon Fly amongst other insults. And apparently any posts of his ATi etc related were relegated to spam status (yes Falcon PM'd Obi and accused him of Spam moving posts to the twilight sector).

Obi's ATi related post (R600) is one of the most successful and widely discussed posts on these forums. So If Falconfly feels that posts that stir a lot of interest are spam then he need a violent shake.

So quite honestly he had enough. Over at x-3dfx we embrass everyone and we don't judge people because of the hardware they run but rather by the content of their character (yeah rip off of Martin Luther King Jr speech).

I'm a friend of Obi's and a friend to many folks on the x-3dfx ezboard forums (as well as Darren a.k.a Boingball). So I'm not just a nobody saying this.

Falcon can keep his forums and rule them like Saddam ruled the Iraqis people.. his choice. But if he keeps it up he'll lose many members.

Peace †

wrote on 05.07.07 at 16:56:03:

Yes he did, got tired of all the accusations by FalconFly (Nasty PM's)

Hmmm....
I sense old sentiments resurrected from long forgotten 3dfx Forum battlefields.

"Nasty PM's" ?

I'm not aware of any, they've been very direct and clear but never crossed any limit an adult person would account for as "nasty"

, and instead of taking it my way, Obi got his only problematic Thread moved to a new Forum Section, where it resides open and accessible to this day.

I guess you only know one side of the Story.

Everything that had to be said during that timeframe was said, and the case closed (at least that's how I treated it).

Anything else I have no information about and it's not my business what people decide to do outside this little Forum. Anything I should know nonetheless ?

-----------------

My Opinion about the single Thread I see being talked about stands as it is :
- someone with too much time at hands and too little filtering/common sense spammed the Forum with just about anything ATI coming from any major Hardware News Site - all blessed with "a tad" too much enthusiasm and bias to add to injury.

It may just be my Opinion, but I just happen run the show when things go out of bounds - and my opinion is ultimately the measure...
The result was the only compromise I could possibly accept.

If any User is unable to accept that then I will not yield any further.
Everyone on this Forum has been free to join but also free to discontinue the use of it.
Noone was ever asked to come, noone ever asked to stay - this game is free-for-all and it'll stay that way until it will cease to exist.

For over 5 years this worked exceptionally well, so that can't be so terribly wrong...

On a more personal sidenote :
Ultimatly, I've covered Obi's arse more often than I can count and took - to my best abilities - personal care of whatever Problem he took onto me. That got him a semi-privileged status noone else in this Forum ever received, even against all odds.
But there's a limit to anything, even to my patience, diplomacy and kind understanding.
And if - in turn - I request something once from that very same person and receive zero cooperation on the issue - I guess that's a valid boundary reached, isn't it ?

Hmm tell me then. How is a post regarding exciting new information (kept within a thread) of new hardware on a hardware Forum Spam?

I'm thinking you just didn't like seeing something labelled ATi (due to a preference for 3dfx) and used that bias to place a thread which in no way shape or form constituted spam into a socalled twilight zone.

It's your forum, but don't come out making excuses. None of them are believable. Quite frankly I was hoping for an apology but I suppose you're above that Oh Mighty overlord.

Do as you please...

A post (or a few) about exiting new hardware would have been perfectly legit, noone would have ever opposed it.

Multiply it by 50, however, and add a frequency and irrelevance / speculative nature that doesn't really help anyone - or is a repeated plain copy of other News Site's reviews.... That does become a Problem.

Speaking for myself, I currently write this on an ATI Card, haven't anything else in regular use for years now. So nothing wrong with ATI for sure, but I don't need a Spam Thread made out of it (or any other product)

Important note -
An Admin makes decisions and technically does not even require any reason behind them.
I made decisions and gave the best reasoning I could possibly give.

I never wrote any excuse, nor do I need any excuse, because there's nothing or nobody on earth that I own any.

Apology ?
Me ?
To you ?

Name one single, valid reason and you'll win an ATI 2900XT, free international shipping & handling.

If you think I'm that "evil, overlord Admin" that rules poor, "subordinate Forum Members" as I please... Well, you must be the new guy in the Forum I guess.

If the "Twilight Zone" is such a terrible place, well, that is reversible... All can be undone with just a few modifications, and at this moment, I couldn't care less if that's what the majority of the Forum wants.
Maybe it is an illusion to keep up a Forum's Quality standards over such a long time, but maybe not...

wrote on 05.07.07 at 20:56:33:

Hmm tell me then. How is a post regarding exciting new information (kept within a thread) of new hardware on a hardware Forum Spam?

Not that I know much about it but things like 'ATi is very cool and does very well' and 'those nVidiots are just a bunch of weird fellows' and 'nVidia will never be better than 3dfx' sounds like a sort of spam to me. To be honest I've read more then enough of those sorts of sentences, I don't want to read a personal preference in a discussiontopic, I wan't to read information with an objective look, without excessive pictures and without flames to other brands / people.

Users are not journalists. People have opinions. Technology forums are about debate, information and friendship.

That's the way it is bud.

wrote on 05.07.07 at 21:04:10:

A post (or a few) about exiting new hardware would have been perfectly legit, noone would have ever opposed it. Multiply it by 50, however, and add a frequency and irrelevance / speculative nature that doesn't really help anyone - or is a repeated plain copy of other News Site's reviews.... That does become a Problem. Speaking for myself, I currently write this on an ATI Card, haven't anything else in regular use for years now. So nothing wrong with ATI for sure, but I don't need a Spam Thread made out of it (or any other product) Important note - An Admin makes decisions and technically does not even require any reason behind them. I made decisions and gave the best reasoning I could possibly give. I never wrote any excuse, nor do I need any excuse, because there's nothing or nobody on earth that I own any. Apology ? Me ? To you ? Name one single, valid reason and you'll win an ATI 2900XT, free international shipping & handling. If you think I'm that "evil, overlord Admin" that rules poor, "subordinate Forum Members" as I please... Well, you must be the new guy in the Forum I guess.

So what's Spam about a thread regarding discussion of up and coming technology? What about that is Spam? Spam would be splitting it into a multitude of different threads and having nothing to do with the forums general topic.

I'm assuming this place is mainly a Video Card and PC Technology forum?

You owe no apologies to me, but to Obi you do. Calling someone a failure is a personal insult.

wrote on 05.07.07 at 21:07:52:

Users are not journalists. People have opinions. Technology forums are about debate, information and friendship. That's the way it is bud.

An opinion is fine but do bring it as an opinion and don't call other people who use other brands dumb names.

wrote on 05.07.07 at 21:10:31:

An opinion is fine but do bring it as an opinion and don't call other people who use other brands dumb names.

I agree with you there. But you can call a company dumb names.

Like I could say AMD sucks and have my reasons for feeling that way. If someone who is a fan of AMD takes offense that's his/her problem. (I don't think AMD sucks for the record).

If that's what you mean by targetting people and calling them names, that's indirectly and it's the person who takes offense's fault for having the so-called love affair with the particular company in the first place.

That's my 2 cents.

wrote on 05.07.07 at 20:44:48:

My Opinion about the single Thread I see being talked about stands as it is : - someone with too much time at hands and too little filtering/common sense spammed the Forum with just about anything ATI coming from any major Hardware News Site - all blessed with "a tad" too much enthusiasm and bias to add to injury.

whats wrong about that?
news about ati from hardware news websites = spam?
for me it is information...the definition of spam is quite different in my opinion...
for me it is not interesting...but some other like it...why not keep it?
ok...he has time to post...whats wrong about that? keeping the forum alive...
he has much enthusiasm...whats wrong about that? that makes him friendly...

sorry but posts like this....smallminded...your reasons are no reasons in my eyes...i guess there happened something face-to-face...

Spam is about posting useless, unrequested or irrelevant data into any public space in either unacceptable manners, quantity or quality.

I did a small analysis right towards the end of the Thread, indicating the anomalies found.

Yes, it's a Hardware related space, but for a second, imagine this :

What if... every User picked on a specific, upcoming hardware and would post 100 times with just about every news, speculation or blurred imagery found anywhere in the net ??

All Chaos would break loose and I'd be hard-pressed to close the Forum alltogether.

There are Forums for things exactly like that, but this isn't one of them (within limits).

wrote on 05.07.07 at 21:14:34:

whats wrong about that? news about ati from hardware news websites = spam? for me it is information...the definition of spam is quite different in my opinion... for me it is not interesting...but some other like it...why not keep it? ok...he has time to post...whats wrong about that? keeping the forum alive... he has much enthusiasm...whats wrong about that? that makes him friendly... sorry but posts like this....smallminded...your reasons are no reasons in my eyes...i guess there happened something face-to-face...

That's because you're thinking logically :)

Nice to meet you BTW.

wrote on 05.07.07 at 21:15:37:

Spam is about posting useless, unrequested or irrelevant data into any public space in either unacceptable manners, quantity or quality. I did a small analysis right towards the end of the Thread, indicating the anomalies found. Yes, it's a Hardware related space, but for a second, imagine this : What if... every User picked on a specific, upcoming hardware and would post 100 times with just about every news, speculation or blurred imagery found anywhere in the net ?? All Chaos would break loose and I'd be hard-pressed to close the Forum alltogether. There are Forums for things exactly like that, but this isn't one of them (within limits).

Umm to answer your question.. you'd have a hardware discussion forum..:p So long as it's kept into a single thread. Also the sheer fact that the thread was very popular and spurred discussion is a testament to what your users want... no?

Quote:

whats wrong about that? news about ati from hardware news websites = spam? for me it is information...the definition of spam is quite different in my opinion... for me it is not interesting...but some other like it...why not keep it? ok...he has time to post...whats wrong about that? keeping the forum alive... he has much enthusiasm...whats wrong about that? that makes him friendly... sorry but posts like this....smallminded...your reasons are no reasons in my eyes...i guess there happened something face-to-face...

Repeated copy & paste with bits & pieces from all over the place, over half a year ?. Yes, that eventually becomes Spam in here.

If people want to view massive Hardware Reviews converted into Forum Threads : there are some excellent Pages for that, but not this place.

I'm getting tired of this.

Yes, our definitions of Spam might differ.
Yes, maybe I'm smallminded with my definition

Live with it.
There's a gazillion Forums out there, I'm sure their Admin's definition for Spam varies greatly...
No reason to loose any sleep over a single tiny one like this remote space.

wrote on 05.07.07 at 21:21:20:

Repeated copy & paste with bits & pieces from all over the place, over half a year ?. Yes, that eventually becomes Spam in here. If people want to view massive Hardware Reviews converted into Forum Threads : there are some excellent Pages for that, but not this place. I'm getting tired of this. Yes, our definitions of Spam might differ. Yes, maybe I'm smallminded with my definition Live with it. There's a gazillion Forums out there, I'm sure their Admin's definition for Spam varies greatly... No reason to loose any sleep over a single tiny one like this remote space.

Actually my definition of Spam is the one in the Dictionary. But hey... that doesn't matter eh?

Quote:

Umm to answer your question.. you'd have a hardware discussion forum..:p So long as it's kept into a single thread. Also the sheer fact that the thread was very popular and spurred discussion is a testament to what your users want... no?

The Thread was very popular ?

Please provide 10 Links from established external Hardware Review Websites, pointing to it for its unique qualities.

If found valid, I will immediately make it sticky and even give it its very own Hardware Discussion Sub-Forum.

Fact is :
- Only very few people participated.
- Obi talked to himself 'more than once' (politely spoken)
- Others were rather annoyed over time (I've seen people banned before in other Forums for spamming up their Post count)

That's more like the reality of the Thread.

---
Actually yes, where you got your definition of "spam" from is indeed irrelevant. You've not responsible here.
Remember, this is a Forum, not a Federal Government.

wrote on 05.07.07 at 21:13:31:

I agree with you there. But you can call a company dumb names. Like I could say AMD sucks and have my reasons for feeling that way. If someone who is a fan of AMD takes offense that's his/her problem. (I don't think AMD sucks for the record). If that's what you mean by targetting people and calling them names, that's indirectly and it's the person who takes offense's fault for having the so-called love affair with the particular company in the first place. That's my 2 cents.

Of course it's possible to call a company dumb names on a forum. And about 'the people who feel offensive', that's not my point. Imagine you read a book and you have an Apple and a Pear company:
"Those Peardiots have such a bad image quality, they can never keep up with Apple nor with FruityFX. Besides, Apple is releasing new products within the month (note: Everyone knows the product has been delayed for 3 months and previews shows it's far behind Pear) and they will rock because this (insert link) benchmark shows it's very good. (And the other 99 benchmarks show Pear is good). And then, look at this site (insert link), they say Pear is very good and Apple falls behind (they have a constructive story there). What an idiots, they are just pro-Pear."

All the sentences in () are comments. Imagine reading the store above in lot's of replies again, and again, and again and again. If someone tells it's a bit 'Pro-Apple' and it's not fun to read Pearidiots anymore you'll get a blast off that "it's my opinion and Pear sucks anyway".

Numerous of replies in the like as shown above (or somewhat like it) are considered spam to me and to be honest: I rather read an objective reply about something. Probably it's difficult to be a fanboy and talk positive about other brands...

By the way, don't get me wrong on this. I don't hate people if they are a fanboy and/or do the 'Facts' FalconFly stated. The only thing is that it's getting annoying to read it thousand times and after a while and if it comes to the point the one who posts all the 'Facts' FalconFly stated gets a bit irritated and agitated.

Alright, since the Topic is apparently upsetting a number of people...

Here's an Idea :

Have 20 Forum Members (<5% of Total Members) - Registered 04 Jul 2007 or earlier - PM me on the matter in Obi's favor.

I successful, I will :
- restore the Thread to its original position
- leave it alone
- and restore Obi's Moderatorship if he re-registeres to the Forum

That compromise is to show you and everybody, that I'm certainly not the fool you think I am.

Although I'm Admin, pay the bills and run the show, I'm rather rarely participating myself.
Therefor, it's mainly to the benefit of its Members themselfes.
If these 20 Members vote in your favor, I will maintain my position on the matter but simply let the Members have it their way this time.

That provision should be failsafe, just in case the general Opinion is "FalconFly is usually an okay guy but we think he plain f*cked up this time"

How's that for a deal ?

of course...i have to live with your decision...you are the admin and i like this place...
but i guess everbody should post his opinion when something goes wrong in his eyes...

your deal is on the one hand a good deed...but one the other hand obiwan has to decide if he wants to come back...if he doesn't want to come back we will have to accept this...

i hope you won't use your "good deed" to blame him if he doesn't want to...just to make this clear: i do not want to imply this into your post...but i want to anticipate for this case...
i hope you understand what i want to say...

I know and that's perfectly fine.

I like being Admin best, when Admin has nothing to do ;)

If enough people (20) think like you, you and Obi will have it their way, no hard feelings on my side.

PS.
In the last 12 hours, there were already 26 active Members that would qualify (registered at or before 04/07/2007). Getting 20 to voice their Opinion on the matter is all it takes to overrule my Opinion.

If the Thread really was supposedly so famous and my judgement deemed wrong on this matter, it actually should be an easy task.

PPS.
I also have a pretty good Idea how this got out of hand and turned into what it is now, but that's nothing for the public view.
Supporters for Obi not Registered here can always reach me via EMail (falconfly@ewetel.net) and give their reasoning for me to consider...

i will vote for obiwan....

count 1...

Counted, but please also per PM (easier to keep track of, I'll keep all PM's for counting)

Lock the thread and count the PM votes...

wrote on 05.07.07 at 21:25:24:

The Thread was very popular ?

I didn't think so, I avoided it like my life depended on it.

Typical F.F. ATI topic-

Poster one: ATI hardware rocks.

Poster two: I had nothing but problems with the ATI hardware I purchased, giving perfect X-Y & Z examples.

Poster one: NVIDIOT!!

Why bother posting if that is going to be the response?

On a sidenote :

Good to see how many good and fine people are out there.

Whoever launched the DDOS-Attack on www.falconfly.de did a good job.

It's the first time I've seen the uplink being cut (and trust me, many tried and failed in the past)...

Site should be restored within the Minute (and yes, I'm on direct connect to the Location Management).

One more time and I'll have the legal System do some work for my taxpayer's money. About time I get something back for it and for once kick the lawyers into action that I pay for anyway.

wrote on 05.07.07 at 23:12:50:

On a sidenote : Good to see how many good and fine people are out there. Whoever launched the DDOS-Attack on www.falconfly.de did a good job.

Funny people ::) This disqualyfies these peoples from further discussion (if this was NOT a coincidence [which means "they" aren't responsible for this], they should consider going back to kindergarden >:( ).

@ gdonovan:

Nice example indeed, I pretty much ROFLMAOed ;D

I don't get the point in this discussion. On the one hand I can understand Falconfly's position. Somewhere HAVE to be restrictions and unpopular decisions have to be made. It's not like Obi wasn't told this would happen (the "removal" of the ATi thread) if nothing would change.

But I can understand Obi as well, he just has this special enthusiasm about ATi Hardware and wants others to be supplied with the newest developments etc.

It didn't bother ME, I felt good about the thread (in terms of information). But the truth is, that it definitly was NOT possible to normally discuss something about ATi hardware in this thread. But this was was the initial purpose of the thread.. ;)

So why don't all of you ([more or less] envolved people) forget about this thing? It's pointless to discuss this any further..

let's get over it indeed and move on, I'm tierd of what has happened myself.

From here on i will post things that morely 3dfx related than non 3dfx since it's true that this place is a pro 3dfx related one as one of not so many.

My appologies for what happened in that ATi thread for the ones that didn't like it, didn't know that the blame would be that hard as it seemed it would be, since what has happened from my Point of View wasn't that pleasant, an apollogy would be at the least worthy, as for the Admins an apollogy to you as well, I hope the same for my part.

Not being a moderator/administrator, I have the luxury of not looking at posts that don't interest me.

I think we should show a little respect to our admins, they do a job that I wouldn't enjoy doing ;)

This is my home page and I'm proud of it!!

wrote on 05.07.07 at 23:12:50:

On a sidenote : Good to see how many good and fine people are out there. Whoever launched the DDOS-Attack on www.falconfly.de did a good job. It's the first time I've seen the uplink being cut (and trust me, many tried and failed in the past)... Site should be restored within the Minute (and yes, I'm on direct connect to the Location Management). One more time and I'll have the legal System do some work for my taxpayer's money. About time I get something back for it and for once kick the lawyers into action that I pay for anyway.

Now that's funny, I guess there are other peeps out there who took offense.

I was at work and had nothing to do with a DDos attack on your website. I don't believe Obi had anything to do with it either.

Are you making this up?

sorry different time zone missed out on whats going on

Quote:

Are you making this up?

Certainly, I like taking my own Archive offline and blame it on someone else once a while.

You must be kidding.

DDos attack :

As an experienced admin i think FalconFly knows what happened , and i can`t understand  this abusive mentality on a free service provided in good faith .

Ati thread :

lost interest
to much buggy half finished hardware flodding the market .

reminds me what i was reading today in an old Atomic
magazine about forums

`normal person + anonymity + audience = total f#ckwad'

On the Hardware issue, I couldn't agree more...

I hardly do Games anymore (when was the last time you saw a really cool, fresh and new Idea in a Game worth playing?), I have a Radeon X1900XT 512MB lying on the shelf because I simply don't need it currently.
It draws too much power just to Display a 2D Desktop.

Initially had it replaced with a Radeon 7000 64MB, just yesterday "upgraded" to a Radeon 8500 64MB to play around with C&C3. Might even move to a Radeon 9000 128MB in case I need more Texture RAM, but that's it.

R600 was made by the East Coast team who disgned the R200 which was a failure like the R600 is now lol.

I think a R300 would do you alot better think 9500 / 9500 Pro or the better 9700 / 9700 Pro series.

I have the X1950XT and I must say I'm enjoying it every day. :)

I stopped playing diablo 2 about half a year ago, and started with Titan quest with exp pack. They said it was a good alternative to diablo 2, and they were right.

Graphics are very nice, and gameplay is about the same as diablo 2, but that doesn't matter.

other then that, I play a bit of Most wanted, carmageddon 3 and a lot of SNES game son emulator. :)

sounds very familiar

videocard wise !

stopped at an 9800 pro  gone backwards a few times
waited till that vidcard wars slowed down but still waiting ( well at least there cheaper )

the games just don`t do the video card requirements justice

read reviews and more bad reviews
buggy vidcards , buggy motherboards and to top it off
boring , buggy games !

9700 Pro was the king of the hill back then drivers were somewhat buggy , but there was the better alternative the Omega Drivers they were perfect :)
okay I mainly used the 9700 Pro for Flight sims as well known games like Quake3 as Soldier Of Fortune II Double Helix as FarCry.

btw there is a rumor that Soldier Of Fortune III comming named PayBack, heh can't wait really ;D
ah here it is hehe
http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=43954&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

wrote on 06.07.07 at 12:01:55:

... Might even move to a Radeon 9000 128MB in case I need more Texture RAM, but that's it.

Radeon 8500 = R200 (4 pipelines 2 textures per clock)
Radeon 9000 = RV250 (4 pipelines 1 textures per clock)
Radeon 9100 = R200 (4 pipelines 2 textures per clock)
Radeon 92x0 - RV280 (4 pipelines 1 textures per clock)

Besides the obvious downgrade in performance, these cards are no longer worth their money. For the same amount you can probably get an X300 which has better performance and it's a DX9 card (the above mentioned are DX8 ).

http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/12/22/vga_charts_v/page6.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/10/04/vga_charts_iv/page8.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/2003/12/29/vga_charts_iii/page6.html

I know, but for what I do right now, the Radeon 9000 128MB is more than enough, just like the Radeon 8500 or any comparable.

And besides, I have all these cards lying around anyway, that's why I just use them as needed.

When I upgrade the old Gaming rig from Socket939 to SoecketAM2, I'll retrofit one of the RS690 Boards into it that currently are in a few of my Linux Terminals, that'll do fine as well.

wrote on 06.07.07 at 13:40:54:

Radeon 8500 = R200 (4 pipelines 2 textures per clock) Radeon 9000 = RV250 (4 pipelines 1 textures per clock) Radeon 9100 = R200 (4 pipelines 2 textures per clock) Radeon 92x0 - RV280 (4 pipelines 1 textures per clock) Besides the obvious downgrade in performance, these cards are no longer worth their money. For the same amount you can probably get an X300 which has better performance and it's a DX9 card (the above mentioned are DX8 ). http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/12/22/vga_charts_v/page6.html http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/10/04/vga_charts_iv/page8.html http://www.tomshardware.com/2003/12/29/vga_charts_iii/page6.html

If I remember correctly, and I think I do, the 9100 is just a new name for the 8500, they renamed it later on

Is it just me, or is this thread walking down a rather familiar ATI themed path... ;)

LOL! ;D

Hello all, i think this post is mostly spam(or all) but i love this forum and felt the need to express my opinion.

1) I'm here for the 3dfx news, idea's, photo,s, collections, history, benchmarks, ok so any and all things 3dfx.

2) i do like to hear about other things pc related but not to the point of it taking away from this being one of the last few really good 3dfx forums

3) obi-wan is obi-wan, sometimes i'm like what the hell are you doing but in the end you keep me entertained (in a good way) and i think if you were gone something wouldnt seem right around here, as with you all, we all post different things and with different frequency but i find you all important for some crazy reason ;)

4) Ah last but not least Falconfly, thru hard work and great decisions you have made this a forum i check at least 5 days a week, youve somehow not let it dwindle at the hands of a few to a pc hardware debate forum where ppl fire back and forth at each other there opinions endlessly, you really have made and kept this a 3dfx home and for that i thank you very much.

5) Elmo, youre not a 3dfx fan, that is easy enough to see on page 4 on your home forum where someone brings up the excitement of buying a q3d board with 8 vsa's on it, your first post on the topic shows you dont even have a clue what it is to be a 3dfx fan, but thats fine, you seem to love PC's and the latest and best hardware and i can understand that, but i can read about that anywhere, thats why this place is so special ;) this place still has the 3dfx spirit

@ BFG3dfx

About whay you said and all most is true but Elmo is a 3dfx fan I mean if he wern't he wouldn't be Admin of the most original 3dfx site around aka http://www.x-3dfx.com which was made by the 3dfx Webmasters of 3dfx Headquaters of Belfast, BOingball gave him command since Boingball had a very buisy job and lot's of meetings, now ElMoIsEviL, Lancerx7, WhiteTigerx7, 7SinsLust, Shadow460 & I run that place as we did a hell of a job cleaning it up.

And yes he has quite a few 3dfx cards but not as crazy like we all have, but saying that Elmo is not a 3dfx fan, isn't true, not even far from true, just a wrong thing, as Quantum3D as 3dfx have totally different designs, and maybe he doesn't like the Quantum3D models, but I know one thing , he likes the 3dfx ones very much.

Even I choose 3dfx above Quantum3D but that's just a choice, it doesn't mean that I'd be Anti 3dfx all of a sudden eh?

But when someone finds a rare Quantum3D card I like it for them and I'd be very proud for them by achieving it but personally I wouldn't choose Quantum3D, since my interests are the card of 3dfx Interactive it's self.

It just depends on what you think is fan or not and it also depends on what you like or not, nothing to do with fanboyism.

A Hardware freak I am, but fan hmm not much anymore too much going around, there is enough to choose out there though, only 3dfx is something special like x-3dfx was and it will be again.

This place was the best place for me but since what has happened it will never be the same. http://gathering.tweakers.net/global/smileys/nopompom.gif

there's my last 2 cents.

obi-wan im not bashing him by saying hes not a fan, if anyone came here and said they got that card i think we would all be like cool because we come here for things 3dfx , or we would say nothing at all, i dont think anyone here would be saying its not as good as the latest nvidia or ati hardware, to me thats the difference of a 3dfx fan based forum and a pc fan based forum, i wish them the best there but really its become something that it wasnt at least to me but i'd never go there and try and tell them how to run it and i find it hard to believe that someone from another forum would come here and tell an admin how to run this forum, for 3dfx i think this is 1 of the 2 best in english hands down.

it's a shame you haven't a clue what has happened ... otherwise your view of it all would be alot different.

Devil and the deep blue see behind me
Vanish in the air, you'll never find me
I will turn your face to alabaster
Then you will find your servant is your master

The Truth Hits Everybody.

wrote on 07.07.07 at 23:39:50:

obi-wan im not bashing him by saying hes not a fan, if anyone came here and said they got that card i think we would all be like cool because we come here for things 3dfx , or we would say nothing at all, i dont think anyone here would be saying its not as good as the latest nvidia or ati hardware, to me thats the difference of a 3dfx fan based forum and a pc fan based forum, i wish them the best there but really its become something that it wasnt at least to me but i'd never go there and try and tell them how to run it and i find it hard to believe that someone from another forum would come here and tell an admin how to run this forum, for 3dfx i think this is 1 of the 2 best in english hands down.

Umm, I just didn't get why he'd spend that much on a card that can't run the games he wants to run even close to other cards in the same price range. You're talking about the EZboard forums aren't ya?

Wrong site.

Hey now >:( Lets not start bad mouthing Q3D  :-X

Some of us think it's the cat's meow of 3dfx 8)

They were good in their day.

I still have a Quantum Obsidian X-24 with Medusa Cable.

Still in use.

wrote on 08.07.07 at 03:02:14:

Hey now >:( Lets not start bad mouthing Q3D  :-X Some of us think it's the cat's meow of 3dfx 8)

Yeah right ::) for the price you'd pay like 15.000 to 25.000 EUR noway man far beyond my reach, for it's day way too expensive, I'd rather buy a Mitsubishi Lancer GSR for that cash lol.
http://www.maserati.org.au/images/EventPhotos/Lactos01/Lactos2001_Case1.jpg
Nobody I know would give that much for his or her PC.
_{Since Mitsubishi is one of the most reliable car brands out there. 8)}

But yeah Q3D cards have cool designs norries there but the prices people ask for them are rediculous heh come to think of it anyways, it's like they are seen as some sort of symbol.

In the EU we have EURO's not US Dolalrs which in this case the EURO has a far higher currancy value than that of the US Dollar thereby the prices come towards us in a total different way than as in the "cheaper" US dollars, you see. ;)

ElMoIsEviL,  :) i was just trying to make a point on forum differences and how important this being mainly a 3dfx forum is to us, mean no offense to any here or at any other forims, sry to use you as an example.

sry for any off topic.

The thread was locked for a reason as is this one is now till the matter is discussed with the forums owner.

Continue at your own risk.

We shall see how things go within the next 24 hours....

All I can say is that all guns are armed and hungry, I'm just waiting for targets to show up.. just one more time, gentlemen...

Only one.... more.... And we'll get this touble fixed in no time.

If this was a town, I would advise all citizens to remain home and lock the doors until further notice.

Well,

I keep myself a bit on the side, as I haven't seen everything that's been going around, besides on the forum ofcourse.

Only thing I'd like to say is:

Why can't we all just......get along?? We all like 3DFX, some more then others. Why is everyone b*tching at eachother?? In some posts I read I thought, Obi-wan, you got it all wrong and at the same time I think, all of you are reading the posts, but not the meaning behind it, cause you're all to eager to find something to b*tch over to the other guy.

I will see what happens indeed in the coming week and based on that I'll see if I'll still wanna come here when people keep bashing eachother.

Just 1 thing, about ElmoIsEvil, I'm sure you know a lot about pc's, but your post about Gary and his ATI rant.....you say he made the biggest noob mistake?? Dude, you did read yer own post, right?? Then you must've seen that that was the biggest NOOB posting one could ever think of??!!

Having to re-install windows because you change from nVidia to ATI?? OK, if you say so. :) Must have too much time on your hands.

And btw, why is the forum gayish pink?? On purpose, or another hack??

The forum it's red (and not pink) because it's in alert ;).
As I've said to Obi, I have nothing against all of you. I'm sad because I think that we could coexist all together without rage. I come from an ugly period in forumzone but now I have to admit that all forums have the same problems. People aren't able to communicate.

yeah ok, some parts are red, but the background still looks pink. :)

We've been getting along so nicely in the past, why does this have to change??
What evil has been done by who to who that this is the result??

Are some of you really so stubbern that if someone suggests something, what differs a bit from your own ideas, that you totally ignore it and try to push through your own ideas?? If so, best solution would be to indeed stop posting questions.

I don't know Why nor Who or What... I can only assure to you that for me in Forumzone is the same :'(

wrote on 18.07.07 at 08:55:08:

I'm sad because I think that we could coexist all together without rage.

I do as well but this requires respect for other people. If someone is unwilling to extend that respect to his fellow man in all it's forms than anarchy follows.

Most of us here don't know the whole story (myself included).

Prolly just time to do some house cleaning :-/

If you'd knew the whole story you would of seen it alot differntly.

Oh well I'll be in the garden this midday so nice outside hehe.

wrote on 19.07.07 at 08:21:34:

If you'd knew the whole story you would of seen it alot differntly. Oh well I'll be in the garden this midday so nice outside hehe.

Surprising to see a supposedly fresh member apparently knowing so much about it.

I'll have a very close watch on you. As soon as I get the slightest clue that you are Obi_Wan, you're histotry.

* is off now for some IP usage statistics....

Statistics complete... Lingual Analysis complete...

Obi, you are history. And if you have the desire to keep other dutch Users able to access the Site, I'd recommend to stay away...