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Re: AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ?
Reply #30 - 01.05.04 at 19:01:02
 
You've done well.  FreeBSD is probably one of the most secure free UNIX distributions you can get.
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Reply #31 - 01.05.04 at 19:46:18
 
FreeBSD isn't UNIX, rather a clone of UNIX.
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Re: AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ?
Reply #32 - 01.05.04 at 21:13:58
 
FreeBSD, NetBSD abd OpenBSD are in fact UNIX OS's that make use of the FSF's GNU code.  UNIX is a registered trademark so the name cannot be used without permission.  FreeBSD is not a GNU/Linux OS though, which is why it is referred to as a UNIX and no a "Linux".  All of these are known as "UNIX-like".  Now what that has to do with the Athlon XP I've no idea. Tongue

The Athlon XP should run fine on FreeBSD though... Wink
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Reply #33 - 01.05.04 at 21:45:28
 
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Re: AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ?
Reply #34 - 01.05.04 at 22:54:07
 
Note to beta: - Yah, although I agree that I mis-interpreted your statement - the way it was written does 'imply' what I was hinting at. Tongue

Bah, let's drop it anyhow - we all know you were just annoyed at Andrei. Roll Eyes Grin

AAAGH  Shocked you said the EVIL words "Windows XP" - AAAGH! Shocked

Oh, and please modify your post and correct my name as it's spelled incorrectly... Roll Eyes

(trust me, it's not the WORST spelling of my surname I've ever seen, you wouldn't BELIEVE what I get on some of my snail-mail! Easiest way to get it correct is: COPY->PASTE!) Tongue
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Reply #35 - 02.05.04 at 01:08:33
 
UNIX like = to all intents and purposes "UNIX", compared to GNU/Linux, FreeBSD is a UNIX.

FreeBSD is a UNIX system, if you want to call it UNIX-like thats fine by me. Wink

@paul: So it's spelled wrong?  People even spell my name (beta) wrong, It doesn't bother me much, I live with it.  CHILL my friend. 8)Grin
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Reply #36 - 02.05.04 at 16:14:02
 
Thanks to patience! Kiss

Crack the whip girl! Wink Grin
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Reply #37 - 02.05.04 at 17:43:19
 
Well we're off-off-offtopic now. Wink

The Linux discussion was actually on topic as Linux is a "...non XP OS'?...". Grin

The correct spelling of paulpthingumopolis's nickname is clearly offtopic however.

Lock the topic quick!!! Shocked
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Re: AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ?
Reply #38 - 04.05.04 at 10:03:48
 
Security holes (or flaws) are acceptable until a certain level. Otherwise you would have no chance in recovering data or even revovering a full system that is badly configured. All the OS'es have this system implementations.

Reffering to the Linux possible future, this was only a rumour. Until now it is only at that stage if it could become a commercial product as the rest of the OS'es, and be developed differently (as a low cost Unix). I have find out about this rumor by reading a Linux magazine (it's not a worldwide name anyway). However, giving the fact that DivX had a somehow similar evolution (in one respect at least), it is not impossible. In this decade we saw a large number of products (even some big names) going from free to commercial approach, and only a tiny part of them remaining free.

Back on topic, what limits you mostly in performance and compatibility for Athlon XP and the new motherboards and hardware devices is ultimately the drivers. It is not impossible for an Athlon XP and a Radeon 9800 XT to run in full 32 bit color on a Windows 3.11, and listen to MP3 music from an Audigy sound card. What makes this impossible are solely the drivers (of course you need MS-DOS 6.22 and a FAT 16 system).
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Reply #39 - 20.03.05 at 09:27:50
 
Well here's news flash for those of ya who only care for 3dfx cards and their legacy, for which I don't blame you none.
Win2000 = winNT 5.0
WinXP = winNT 5.1
soooo, the core is the same. It's just some other c r a p M$ is shoving down our throats

I've been using win2K for 2 yrs now (since I got my 1-st and only comp pretty much). I am still to see a blue screen, although I did reinstall twice (once to remove the damage done by viruses that Norton let through, second HDD upgrade). Take a good look the next time you DL something, be it a driver or a game - there is only 1 application that i've seen that'd run on winXP and not on win2K. That program is a windows XP tweaker.

Now down to tech specs
There is no need to build separate drivers for win2K and XP, why should there be an OS-specific processor? (SPARCs aside). Why I use 2K and not other windows - it is stable, it is supported, I did not pay for it, it updates, and winXp crashed after 10 minutes on me. I guess I am the lucky one to have a corporate edition of win2K, so it doesn't even ask for serial key.  That said aside, I DO NOT WANT all the 150 "improvements" (NOTE THE BRACKETS) in XP. The firewall deserves the name of a fireHOLE based on its functionality. I HATE WHQL - early versions of XP did not allow non-WHQL certified drivers (aka betas, 3-rd part, etc, etc) to be installed. Ok, enough XP ranting

I have a friend with an AMD AXP 2500+ (Barton), 512 Mb DC Ram (DDR333), nVidia GeForce MX 440 64 mb RAM, ASUS A7-blah-blah mobo. He has both OSes - 2K and XP

advantages of 2K
less CPU/RAM/HDD hungry (166/70/800 VS 300/254/1250, RAM = how much it will take if there is 512 Mb)
much more stable (than Xp at least)
same old 98 look
apparently many corporations use them for workstations and as small servers

advantages of XP
loads nearly 2x as fast
you get a 2-3 FPS gain in games

disadvantages are the inverses of advantages for the OS compared with

We tested the system with UT2003 demo (that was back in the day), Serious Sam, Morrowind, Black and White (all settings at the highest, 1024x768x32, AA and AF full on if avaliable)

There was not any significant performance gain for winXP over 2K - the difference was under 5 FPS for all 4 games, needles to say that was about 5% difference. On the other hand I was running win2k and edonkey(a very well known application to crunch resources as carrots) for a full month before restarting (I was out of town), while my friend's machine would crash 1-2 times a day... Hope this part-rant answered the question

Oh, and BTW, can anyone check to which email account dsolom3 is registered to? It is me, I think I deleted the email with password by an accident and cannot remeber the one of many mailboxes I have that I used for this forum... Thanks
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Reply #40 - 21.03.05 at 01:28:13
 
There's no need to worry janskjaer I run 18 mounths the same install of Win98SE on my AXP 2700+ Thoroughbred B with ASUS A7V333-R Rev.1.04 Bios 1017 and 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 AGP 64MB Rev.A 2500, flawlessly, and that for 1 install Smiley

You should be fine with Win98SE, but be sure to install the latest updates and Unofficial Service Packs, for a greater max memory capabillity and a better stabillity.

English Version:
http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html

"Microsoft has never released a service pack for Windows98 SE. But I made a Service Pack for Windows98 SE users. It contains all Windows98 SE updates from Windows Update site and more.

It is a self-extracting and self-installing pack like Microsoft's update files. Thus, you cannot choice files individually. However, the pack installs only required fixes for your system. Uninstallation is possible from Add-Remove Programs. However, I don't recommend uninstallation of the pack, if you don't have any problem.

This is only for WINDOWS 98 SECOND EDITION ENGLISH. I highly recommend that you should backup your system before installing the pack. You must have at least 32 MB of RAM.

It contains only operating system updates. It does NOT contain Internet Explorer 6, DirectX 9, Media Player 9 and their updates. "

and for other people here some links to suit thier country language:

German Version:
http://www.creopard.de/win98sp

Czech Version:
http://www.winpack.org/

Polish Version:
http://sp.up.pl/

Russian Version:
http://egorz.nm.ru/

Dutch Version:
http://wepsite.net/hp38guser

Traditional Chinese Version:
http://myweb.hinet.net/home4/atb/W98SEAUP.htm

And May The Force Be With You.
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Reply #41 - 21.03.05 at 20:22:30
 
funny, still runnin'  win98? Grin i guess you aren't considering installing winnt or even winxp but here's some interesting points for the upkeepers of win98:

- win2k has a way more efficient ram managment w/ less produced datash*t.
- winxp is even better, as coming w/ improved managment for ram greater than 512mb.
- NEWER & BETTER DRIVERS

well, no real points for voodoo users, i guess..


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same old 98 look


nice.. Tongue you know, you can disable or change the standard-look of winxp
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Reply #42 - 22.03.05 at 00:52:02
 
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funny, still runnin'  win98? Grin i guess you aren't considering installing winnt or even winxp but here's some interesting points for the upkeepers of win98:

- win2k has a way more efficient ram managment w/ less produced datash*t.
- winxp is even better, as coming w/ improved managment for ram greater than 512mb.
- NEWER & BETTER DRIVERS

well, no real points for voodoo users, i guess..



nice.. Tongue you know, you can disable or change the standard-look of winxp



Uhm I do know what OS is the Best for Voodoo dude,

Win98SE is still the best Operating System for 3dfx cards, especially the games that only run in 98SE and not NT Wink

XP is one of the worst OS's for 3dfx cards then I rather Prefer Win2K pro to be honest.

Ohwell If you read my Post clearly, the Unofficial Service packs create a greater Ram capabillity than 512MB for Win98SE,  so 4GB ram is possible without any lockups as max mem size. 8)

3dfx Glide3.x was made for Win98SE and not XP, noway hozay  Angry
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Reply #43 - 22.03.05 at 03:04:46
 
Yep, the only existing WinXP Installation I ever had (bundeled on a Notebook) will remain the only one.

It's late and I don't want to post the 4 Pages worth of Privacy and Security risks involved with WinXP, let alone the permanent "calling home" symptome, nicely enforced by MicroSoft.

In fact, I think nothing pushed the Linux world more forward, than WinXP and its "eat it or die" Style of trying to enforce unwanted Security risks onto its Users.

I have only 3 of 24 Systems left running Windows at all, in the near future it will be reduced to 2.

Win98SE was the best Gaming Platform to ever exist, superseeded only by Win2k after a while.

WinXP could have been the next, better step, but MicroSoft chose to include too many Trojan horses to enforce their monopoly, thus Win2000 SP4 will remain the last Windows OS I have ever used.
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Reply #44 - 22.03.05 at 06:16:47
 
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nice.. Tongue you know, you can disable or change the standard-look of winxp


Well I guess you can. Sorta. Took me 30 minutes, and still the f*cking "Control Panel" does not show up in "My Computer" on school's computer
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