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Reply #15 - 08.05.09 at 12:52:08
 
I'm glad it was a joke as well.

If this would've become an NV board, you wouldn't see me anymore.

Me is only 3DFX and ATI, the last nV card I owned was a Geforce 3 Ti200, after which I switched to 9800Pro
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Reply #16 - 08.05.09 at 17:29:28
 
I moved along with 3Dfx to NVidia. Been lovin NVidia ever since. ATI's never had that extra "something" ... always had heaps of problems with ATI's; driver issues, cards malfunctioning, etc.

And very often Nvidia has some neat features: like hardware physx acceleration on GF8 and up, digital vibrance controls, image sharpening, etc.
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Reply #17 - 09.05.09 at 12:04:40
 
I've had some Nvidia cards in my first Computers, like the Geforce 2 GTS,  Geforce 5600, Geforce 6800 and Geforce 7950GX2.

But the 7950GX2 was only poorly usable for gaming, because of unstable "perceived" framerates, caused by SLI.

That and things like this made me turn to ATI:
ftp://ftp.tomshardware.com/pub/nvidia_on_kyro.pdf

Up to now I've got many ATI cards.
From the ATI EGA Wonder up to the X4870.
And the only ATI card I ever had Driverproblems with was the Rage Fury Maxx!
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Reply #18 - 09.05.09 at 13:33:36
 

How old is that pdf? ATi did many many dirty tricks like that as well, and uptil recently still did. They are both just as guilty of that.

IMO not something to judge a company on, but that's just me.

Plus, ATi multiGPU cards suffer from microstuttering as well, not just nVidia's.
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Reply #19 - 09.05.09 at 15:43:02
 
Tim wrote on 09.05.09 at 13:33:36:
How old is that pdf? ATi did many many dirty tricks like that as well, and uptil recently still did.


Anyone recall quake vs quack exe in the ATI framerate tests?

Both companies have their tricks.

I perfer the Nvidia as the drive sets have given me the least amount of trouble and have the smallest footprint, plus older OS support has been excellent.

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Reply #20 - 09.05.09 at 16:24:55
 
I know. The only real functioning properly multi GPU cards came from 3dfx.  Wink

ATi did dirty tricks as well, really?  Shocked

The only thing I know is, that not long ago some German hardware magazines adjudged the new ATI cards as worse than Nvidia cards, because they had "Problems with their testing Hardware" (how it was called on their website, later).
In the magazines itself I've never red about this concession.
Ironically the same magazine sells Nvidia graphic cards under their name...  Huh

Also in the PCAction some time ago, ATI cards had harder test parcours, and caused by that lower frame rates; only mentioned by a "*" and explained in a hidden small print...

Maybe you reject this just as a conspiracy theory by me.  Grin

In fact I don't like Nvidia anymore, not because of their cards but through their "company policy".
Nevertheless I've got more than 20 Nvidia cards, but only older ones.  Wink

Probably the only company without a skeleton in its closet is S3. Cheesy
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Reply #21 - 09.05.09 at 21:12:58
 
RaVeNsClaw wrote on 09.05.09 at 16:24:55:
ATi did dirty tricks as well, really?  Shocked



http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTEx
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Reply #22 - 09.05.09 at 21:40:55
 
Interesting, Newer knew about that!  Huh

There was something similar, not long ago, about 3DMark Vantage, because some physics CPU tests were performed by the Geforce GPU.

EDIT:
Such "Performance optimizations" seem to have a long tradition!   Grin
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/5186
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Reply #23 - 09.05.09 at 23:23:36
 
gdonovan wrote on 09.05.09 at 15:43:02:
I perfer the Nvidia as the drive sets have given me the least amount of trouble and have the smallest footprint, plus older OS support has been excellent.


Me too I guess. Mainly because of linux driver support. ATIs linux support really lacks a lot. Configuring multi screen setup under linux and ATI is like trying to eat soup with a fork - it always slips somehow out of your grasp and you have to start xconf reconfigure all over again Sad
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Reply #24 - 10.05.09 at 00:11:53
 
I think we all have got a little brand preference in us. But I can honestly say that I don't care much anymore. I do have a slight preference for nVidia though.

But I would recommend anyone to go for the best bang for the buck, with as many features as one can, then you're always gonna have good fun playing games. Of course, permitting driver support is correct.

I do like how nVidia always seems to bring out "new" tech, like Ambient Occlusion and Physx, CUDA, over the course of history, ATi has always seemed to play catch up a little bit in these things. Classic example is SLI vs. Crossfire. ATi said it was pointless in the beginning with the 6800's, now look where we are. ATi doesn't always seem to have this x factor.

But if ATi would come out with a card with excellent performance, whilst nVidia is lagging behind, I would have no trouble going ATi. Smiley

My last 3 high end cards were a 6800GT, 7800GTX 512mb, and 8800 Ultra, they all were in my opinion the cards with the most speed, and most features at the time. The only mistake I made was not choosing a 9800 Pro over a 5900XT, I just didn't have enough money then, the 5900XT was very cheap. Oh well.
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Reply #25 - 10.05.09 at 00:19:02
 
1) nVidia did not introduce physics. AGEIA did, nVidia bought them out.

2) Forgot the Rage Fury MAXX? Way before nVidia introduced Scalable Link Interface.
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Reply #26 - 10.05.09 at 01:05:37
 

NitroX infinity wrote on 10.05.09 at 00:19:02:
1) nVidia did not introduce physics. AGEIA did, nVidia bought them out.

2) Forgot the Rage Fury MAXX? Way before nVidia introduced Scalable Link Interface.


Physics on the GPU I was talking about, I'm well aware of AGEIA, I've been with it right from their beginning. That's why the "new" was in quotation marks.

Sure "SLI", alternate frame rendering etc etc, we all had that before, but it was nVidia who blew new life in it and made it mainstream again. ATi played catchup, that was my sole point of that one, NOT that nVidia was the first ones with multi chip tech, I never said that anywhere.
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Reply #27 - 10.05.09 at 01:42:49
 
Actually... Tongue

PhysX is the hardware that accelerates physics. Roll Eyes

But I'm just nit picking... Cheesy

I've always been in the ATI camp for my GFX. Wink

Currently running an ATI Radeon 3870X2 1GB in my main rig. Cool

I prefer ATI as they have always had superior image quality - nV tend to sacrifice quality for speed. Huh

(this can clearly be seen when comparing PS3/X360 games - e.g. Resident Evil 5, DMC 4, Assasins Creed, etc...) Lips Sealed
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Reply #28 - 10.05.09 at 01:53:19
 

paulpsomiadis wrote on 10.05.09 at 01:42:49:
Actually... Tongue

PhysX is the hardware that accelerates physics. Roll Eyes

But I'm just nit picking... Cheesy

I've always been in the ATI camp for my GFX. Wink

Currently running an ATI Radeon 3870X2 1GB in my main rig. Cool

I prefer ATI as they have always had superior image quality - nV tend to sacrifice quality for speed. Huh

(this can clearly be seen when comparing PS3/X360 games - e.g. Resident Evil 5, DMC 4, Assasins Creed, etc...) Lips Sealed


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NVIDIA PhysX is a powerful physics engine which enables real-time physics in leading edge PC and console games.


Physx used to be the hardware, not anymore. Phyx is the engine now, the hardware are nVidia GPU's, well not strictly speaking just nVidia GPU's, but that's another story.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvidia_physx.html

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I prefer ATI as they have always had superior image quality - nV tend to sacrifice quality for speed.


An age old stigma that has been long lifted my friend. Nowadays image quality is so good that your well off in both camps. I can show you more reviews that prove that then I can count on both hands. ( I can't believe people who prefer ATi still refer to that, wake up! lol  Cheesy )

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Reply #29 - 11.05.09 at 02:30:38
 
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I can't believe people who prefer ATi still refer to that, wake up! lol Cheesy


Whassamatter tread on yer toes? Grin

...and I'm quite alert you'll find... Roll Eyes

BTW - I refer to it because it still applies. Wink

I recently built a gaming system with similar specs to mine, but it used an nVidia X2 card instead... Cool

I test ran DMC 4 with my PC on my HD telly - then ran it again on my mates PC (the one I built) on my HD telly. Lips Sealed

The ATi card STILL produced a sharper image - so there ya go! Wink

However, this is now starting to pull the thread WAAAAAY off topic... Roll Eyes

Also, it's not image quality that matters nowadays - it's the overall feature set of the card... Wink

...it remains to be seen which of the big GFX companies will make an "all out win" on this particular tricky issue... Huh
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