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Title: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 16.12.13 at 23:28:48

This is an attempt to identify what runs and what does not run with current (12/2013) Rampage Win95/98* driver with my own INF file.

This thread assumes you have a stable platform and video card, feel free to post screenshots. I have NOT posted any software rendering pictures as I assume were trying to get 3D rendering fully functional.

For point of reference I'm running an ABIT VA6 with an 800MHZ P3 with Windows 98SE. I have tried Win95a & b along with Windows ME. I have found 98SE to be the most stable with ME a close second. I'm running DirectX 9C. For OpenGL operation I'm using SciTech DirectGL wrapper 5.0.2

Please see this thread for motherboard settings, testing and information.

http://www.falconfly.de/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1373721600

Please confine any posts to just games or demos, any hardware issues should be directed towards other threads. If posting please indicate if game is running D3D, OpenGL or software rendering. I will start listing the games I have tried in the next post with screenshots.

Gary

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 16.12.13 at 23:59:48

Games tested-

GLQuake, Quake II, Quake III, Jedi Knight II Outcast, System Shock II, Thief, Half-Life, Descent II & III, Unreal, UT, Deus Ex, Wheel of Time, MDK, NFL Blitz.

Demos tested-

Final Reality, Mark3D99 MAX, Mark3D2000

(work in progress, updating)

To be honest I have forgotten a number of demos and games I have tried, I will rerun tests and post the results.

Half-Life D3D

Quake III with simple cfg, OpenGL wrapper

GLQuake with OpenGL wrapper

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by trevormacro on 17.12.13 at 12:26:29

Final Reality (Direct3D mode in 640*480 with fraps):

Half-Life (Software mode in 1024*768 with fraps):

http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/722558HLDEMO1999100100075137.png

http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/343981HLDEMO1999100100080548.png

Quake 2 (Software mode in 640*480 and 1024*768 with F11):

Others games:

Quake 3 with DirectGL 5.0.2:

Sin:

nb. Why all games/benchmark don't work with Fraps? like 3dmark01se. (when i want to take a picture).

nb2. Every time I play a games in D3D/OpenGL mode I have a blue screen (fatal error). How can i resolve my problem?
Look this video: (3dfx Rampage #B001 (Quake 3 DirectGL)):
http://youtu.be/zQdVnImMQ48

Trevor.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 17.12.13 at 14:49:45

Michel you must focus the tests in what D3D games Rampage can run but using real HW D3D on or using a OpenGL wrapper, not in SW mode. Even if you get BSOD in few seconds. You must 'play' with games setting, resolution, enable / disabled buffering, depth color, so on... a few detail can do the game locks up in 20 seconds instead of 3 seconds.

- Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by trevormacro on 17.12.13 at 15:10:20

osckhar wrote on 17.12.13 at 14:49:45:

Thanks Oscar for these informations I will try and let you know.
Do you have some blue screen too?

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 17.12.13 at 15:17:39

trevormacro wrote on 17.12.13 at 15:10:20:

osckhar wrote on 17.12.13 at 14:49:45:

Thanks Oscar for these informations I will try and let you know.
Do you have some blue screen too?

Of course, BSODs always are present. Normally making reference VXD library. It means something inside the code crash system.

.- Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by trevormacro on 17.12.13 at 16:14:03

osckhar wrote on 17.12.13 at 15:17:39:

trevormacro wrote on 17.12.13 at 15:10:20:

osckhar wrote on 17.12.13 at 14:49:45:

Thanks Oscar for these informations I will try and let you know.
Do you have some blue screen too?

Of course, BSODs always are present. Normally making reference VXD library. It means something inside the code crash system.

.- Oscar.

I have taken a pictures with VXD library fatal error in blue screen.

I have downloaded some Wrappers.

Look this picture:

Did you tested one or more?

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 18.12.13 at 00:41:54

Games tested tonight-

1) Giants MECC demo, crashes at menu or shortly after

2) NFL Blitz, launches and runs but acts like it is in software rendering mode, only 19 fps

3) System Shock 2, runs well almost never crashes.

4) Daikatana demo, starts game and then crashes after being in level for a minute or two.

5) Jedi Knight II Outcast demo, crashes most of the time in menus, sometimes makes it to opening level.

6) Max Payne Demo, 50% of time locks in menu, other time during opening animations after a few minutes.

7) MDK D3D mode- Makes it into game, 90% of the screen is black with just the health meter visible. No lock up though!

8) Turok D3D demo, almost makes it through opening animations before locking.

9) Unreal D3D, renders only half a screen, doesn't crash

10) Final Reality demo- Makes it through most tests, crashes 90% of time on last test when ship is flying over/through city. Has done a complete bench only twice.

11) glquake- runs well but very dark

12) Need For Speed High Stakes- Will only run software, crashes when trying to run D3D

13) Need for Speed III- Makes it to the countdown to start race before locking up.

14) Thief- Runs good, very dark rendering.

15) Quake III IHV leaked demo- runs for minute or two

16) Nascar Racing 1999- Software or GLide only

17) Tomb Raider II demo D3D- Seems to work rather well, runs for several minutes before BSOD

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 18.12.13 at 01:34:21

Screenshots- All were grabbed with my camera aside from GLQuake.

NFL Blitz

Final Reality

Giants

Max Payne

Need for Speed III

GLQuake with gamma cranked to 200 in photoshop

GLQuake with gamma cranked to 200 in photoshop

Quake III IHV demo

Quake III IHV demo

Thief

Turok

Unreal would only render half a screen!

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by trevormacro on 18.12.13 at 17:24:15

speed picture taken with my N900 of Tomb Raider II demo in hardware acceleration directGL wrapper:

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/57962120131218005.jpg

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 18.12.13 at 22:54:50

trevormacro wrote on 18.12.13 at 17:24:15:

speed picture taken with my N900 of Tomb Raider II demo in hardware acceleration directGL wrapper:

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/57962120131218005.jpg

My friend, test it using Rampage D3D driver and not an OpenGL wrapper. Demo works fine here using D3D driver.

- Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by trevormacro on 18.12.13 at 22:56:51

osckhar wrote on 18.12.13 at 22:54:50:

trevormacro wrote on 18.12.13 at 17:24:15:

speed picture taken with my N900 of Tomb Raider II demo in hardware acceleration directGL wrapper:

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/57962120131218005.jpg

My friend, test it using Rampage D3D driver and not an OpenGL wrapper. Demo works fine here using D3D driver.

- Oscar.

Ok and how can i use Rampage D3D drivers?

If you use OpenGL wrapper like DirectGL is it work or blue screen/freeze for you?

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 18.12.13 at 23:16:30

Now I am talking of memory. Once inside VGA setting games in render option you must choose D3D driver and not standard OpenGL. Anyway not sure if Tomb Rider II is OpenGL compatible.

Question- where do you have installed Opengl32.dll library wrapper? In system32 folder or only in the folder ejecutable game?

- Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by trevormacro on 18.12.13 at 23:22:48

osckhar wrote on 18.12.13 at 23:16:30:

I have installed OpenGL32.dll in system32 folder. It's auto when you install DirectGL 5.0.2.
In Tomb Raider II I don't put any others opengl32.dll in same directory as executable.
Why?

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 18.12.13 at 23:29:12

TRII is a D3D or software game.

Install the demo and the run the game setup. Choose D3D driver or software.

Its running good here, will upload video in a bit.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 18.12.13 at 23:30:41

Even If DirectGL install OpenGL32.dll in system32 folder. You can copy it, and deleted it from system32 folder and only paste it in the folder game executable if you want try another render option. Understand?

So you force Game to use native D3D Ramapge driver.

- Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by trevormacro on 18.12.13 at 23:38:21

osckhar wrote on 18.12.13 at 23:30:41:

Yes Understand Thanks.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 18.12.13 at 23:54:41

I'm going to run into the house and post a video, give me a minute.

I'm stuck in the water after killing the shark, driving me crazy trying to figure out how to escape.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 19.12.13 at 00:02:29

gdonovan wrote on 18.12.13 at 23:54:41:

I'm going to run into the house and post a video, give me a minute.

I'm stuck in the water after killing the shark, driving me crazy trying to figure out how to escape.

We are here!!! :D

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 19.12.13 at 00:05:53

Tomb Radier II demo screenshots, video shortly

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 19.12.13 at 00:07:12

osckhar wrote on 19.12.13 at 00:02:29:

We are here!!! :D

Really need to find a device to capture video from the VGA feed.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 19.12.13 at 00:10:33

gdonovan wrote on 19.12.13 at 00:07:12:

osckhar wrote on 19.12.13 at 00:02:29:

We are here!!! :D

Really need to find a device to capture video from the VGA feed.

I think FRAPS has the option to record video. Did you test it?

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 19.12.13 at 00:16:04

Tomb Raider II demo upload completed-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfdfnuF5Hsw&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 19.12.13 at 00:16:39

osckhar wrote on 19.12.13 at 00:10:33:

I think FRAPS has the option to record video. Did you test it?

I don't think I have a copy of fraps!

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 19.12.13 at 00:20:08

I'm going to load the Giants "seareaper" demo, I can't find the original anywhere. Just "seareaper" and "MECC" Do you have a copy of the original Oscar or have a link to it?

Reaper demo locked up at "enter a name" screen, rebooting and trying again.

second time made it as far as the opening of the level and locked up before I could move

Will try one more time in game "safe mode"

results- ran 10-20 seconds before BSOD.

trevormacro do you have the DX test pack with vintage tests like "bees" "flare" and "trees"? Very good for testing the boards quick as they are small applications.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 19.12.13 at 00:33:05

Mmmm... I did not test it but for sure FRAPS has the option to record video. I will test it!

TR2- It looks nice. I have another demo version but I will download the version you sent me and I will post some pics.

Special feeling when I see a game moved for the mythical Rampage card (part of the story).

- Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 19.12.13 at 00:34:36

osckhar wrote on 19.12.13 at 00:33:05:

Fairly stable too. will run for some time before it crashes back to desktop or BSOD.

I'm off to dinner and bed, have to be at work at 5AM guys, later!

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 19.12.13 at 00:37:58

Quote:

Re: Rampage game list
Reply #24 - Today at 11:20pm Alert Board Moderator about this Post! Quote
I'm going to load the Giants "seareaper" demo, I can't find the original anywhere. Just "seareaper" and "MECC" Do you have a copy of the original Oscar or have a link to it?

Reaper demo locked up at "enter a name" screen, rebooting and trying again.

I can upload it send you from my dropbox link.

I will test the version Reaper Demo and psot pics if I can.

- Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by trevormacro on 19.12.13 at 00:46:16

gdonovan wrote on 19.12.13 at 00:20:08:

I don't have the DX test pack. but if you give me the complete name i will try to find it.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 19.12.13 at 00:58:40

trevormacro wrote on 19.12.13 at 00:46:16:

I don't have the DX test pack. but if you give me the complete name i will try to find it.

Was on the Rampage CD ISO I uploaded, DXTOOLS folder, run DXTEST.EXE

Will extract tools and shortcuts to start menu ->system tools

http://www.mdgx.com/dx.htm

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 19.12.13 at 10:49:56

GIANTS REAPER DEMO.
Native D3D driver.
FRAPS
TURN RAMPAGE #B003 with different voltage settings.

It works very stable if you disabled, sun light, shadows..., but with texture errors. All enabled games freezes in 20 secnds.

- Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 19.12.13 at 12:10:57

osckhar wrote on 19.12.13 at 10:49:56:

I'll check when I get home, are the settings available on the "safe start" menu or in game menu?

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 19.12.13 at 12:39:15

In game MENU.

- Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 20.12.13 at 13:28:49

POWER SLIDE DEMO
RAMPAGE #B003
D3D Native
FRPAS.

Very playable.

Good image quality.

Not often locks up.

- Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by trevormacro on 20.12.13 at 13:38:32

Amazing Oscar,
You can change btw your rampy B009 and B003 to test your demos games. So good...

Game: Expendable Demo
Rampage #B001
-- In Game --
D3D mode in 640 * 480 with my Tyan K7x Pro
Fraps

Tomb Raider II Demo (640*480 with Fraps):

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 20.12.13 at 13:46:52

osckhar wrote on 20.12.13 at 13:28:49:

[b]POWER SLIDE DEMO
RAMPAGE #B003
D3D Native

- Oscar.

If you can post a link to the demos I will do the same if they are still available online. I waste a great deal of time finding demos that are still available, a lot of the old sites where you could find them are gone.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by trevormacro on 20.12.13 at 13:48:28

gdonovan wrote on 20.12.13 at 13:46:52:

osckhar wrote on 20.12.13 at 13:28:49:

[b]POWER SLIDE DEMO
RAMPAGE #B003
D3D Native

- Oscar.

You can download all the games demos here:

Demo - Powerslide:

http://www.jeuxvideo.com/telecharger/jeux-et-demos/00000576-powerslide-pc.htm

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 22.12.13 at 01:53:40

osckhar wrote on 20.12.13 at 13:28:49:

[b]POWER SLIDE DEMO
RAMPAGE #B003
D3D Native
.

1) Tried powerslide, no luck aside from menus. When you load a racetrack the screen is garbbled.

2) Expendable runs very well if very dark

3) Played with Need For Speed 3, lowered some settings and was able to go almost a whole lap.

4) Moto Racer, grabled junk but I was able to alt-F4 out.

5) Deus Ex demo- Crahes out to desktop, can only get to run in software.

6) Heretic II- Runs OpenGL32 or software ok, no problem adjusting gamma in menu! Locks up rapid in the game though, no more than a few seconds after loading level.

7) Half-Life Opposing Force- D3D, loads level, crashes. OpenGL will not run (states not detected)

I have tried fraps and got some good screenshots, will upload them before bed.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 22.12.13 at 03:50:28

Original 640 x 480 BMP 600k resized to 1024 x 768

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by trevormacro on 23.12.13 at 12:01:30

Rampage #B001

-- 3dmark01se --
D3D mode in 800*600 (32 Bits)
Fraps

Tomb Raider 2 demo (640*480 32bits):

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by paulpsomiadis on 23.12.13 at 19:04:25

@Trevormacro - might want to use a different image host, as some of your images sometimes don't load. :-/

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by trevormacro on 24.12.13 at 11:36:34

@paulpsomiadis: not now.

Rampage #B001
MSI motherboard
-- 3dmark01se --
D3D mode in 800*600 (16 Bits)
Fraps

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by ultima on 24.12.13 at 13:41:37

is it just me, or is the image quality of the rampage in 3DMark2001SE pretty good for an 800x600x16?

looks pretty awesome to me, now to get the performance up :)

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by trevormacro on 24.12.13 at 16:46:31

ultima wrote on 24.12.13 at 13:41:37:

is it just me, or is the image quality of the rampage in 3DMark2001SE pretty good for an 800x600x16?

looks pretty awesome to me, now to get the performance up :)

Try like me with your Voodoo5 or Voodoo4 with fraps on win98se in 800*600 16bits and post here to compare.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by ultima on 24.12.13 at 16:51:26

will do, will make a screenshot one of these days and post here for comparison.

Will have to connect the voodoo5 to VGA connector then to make it really honest comparison :)

Connected through dvi now.

Do you have any 3dfx tools loaded? LOD bias changed?

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by trevormacro on 24.12.13 at 18:51:28

ultima wrote on 24.12.13 at 16:51:26:

No 3dfx tools installed and loaded! so no LOD bias changed!
I will follow you.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 10.01.14 at 11:54:13

3DMark2000
RAMPAGE #B003
800X600 32BITS

Very poor score. but different factors affect the performance. Low Core / Mem set and beta driver. Anyway very happy card is enough stable for runing all the tests. :D

- Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 13.01.14 at 11:11:12

3DMark2001SE
RAMPAGE #B003
800X600 32BITS

- Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 15.01.14 at 11:02:26

UT DEMO
800X600
RAMPAGE #B003

Native D3D looks better but not amazing.

- Oscar

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by trevormacro on 20.01.14 at 15:30:16

Why you have no lock up in D3D mode comparing to SW mode some lock up?

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 17.02.15 at 19:41:22

Hello,

Here some progress based speed clock. At the moment work is based to set up clock speed. Work is really hard without Rampage Datasheet.

3DMark2001SE
(Default clock speed)

3DMark2001SE
(Tweaked clock speed)

Regards,
Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by trevormacro on 17.02.15 at 20:56:37

Fill rate grow up.
what frequency o/c? Comparing to default.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 17.02.15 at 21:15:53

Rampage set up @166MHz.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 03.03.15 at 09:37:50

Works not stop here antoher amazing progress:

Fixed driver BUG 16Mb instead 32Mb.

Questin is- really extra 16Mb will be used for Rampage? 8-)

3DMark2001 - Rampage @16Mb

3DMark2001SE - Rampage @32Mb

Even simple view I noticied an amazing extra performance since not jerks for lacking of memory texture.

Note- Scores are little low since I am using my Rampage card with my agp2pci adapter since I found it works better.

More news soon. :D

Regards,
Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by Jean-Pierre Subtil on 03.03.15 at 10:40:45

Fantastic work, congrats. :o

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 04.03.15 at 09:04:45

Jean-Pierre Subtil wrote on 03.03.15 at 10:40:45:

Fantastic work, congrats. :o

Really what my friend has been to able to do is amazing. He is a SW WIZARD. His skills are amazing. He does all the work with not datasheet Rampage or other internal info. Not words here.

----------

Our target was 64Mb per Rampage Chip and again NOT WORDS. . Really Rampage can hadle 64Mb per chip?

RAMPAGE DXDIAG TOOL 64Mb

Really extra 32Mb is handled correctly per Rampage?

SUMMARY:

RAMPAGE @16Mb - 478Points 3DMark2001SE

RAMPAGE @32Mb - 841Points 3DMark2001SE

RAMPAGE @64Mb - 911Points 3DMark2001SE

Regards,
Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by VooDooMan on 04.03.15 at 09:15:15

What were the results in 3DMark 2000 with 32 and 64Mb of RAM?

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 04.03.15 at 12:10:13

VooDooMan wrote on 04.03.15 at 09:15:15:

What were the results in 3DMark 2000 with 32 and 64Mb of RAM?

There is a bug where 3DMark2000 not detects correctly memory size available. For 3DMark2000 Rampage only has 5Mb though 3DMark2001SE detects Total video memory 16/32/64Mb.

I mean - SW detects cards so:

RAMPAGE 16Mb:
Total video memory 5120kb
Video Memory used 4687kb
Texture Memory Available 6960

RAMPAGE 64Mb:
Total video memory 5120kb
Video Memory used 4687kb
Texture Memory Available 56112kb

- Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by VooDooMan on 05.03.15 at 09:24:32

OK, I get it. What about 3DMark 99 and Final Reality?

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 05.03.15 at 10:22:18

3DMark99 - Same as 3DMark2000 and Final Reality locks up.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 26.06.15 at 12:59:54

Hello,

Some nice progress in driver compilation.

Regards,
Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by gdonovan on 27.06.15 at 14:06:44

osckhar wrote on 26.06.15 at 12:59:54:

Hello,

Some nice progress in driver compilation.

Nice going my friend!

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by EMPEROR on 27.06.15 at 14:18:54

Great to see some progress Oscar! Keeping my fingers crossed :)

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by Queso on 27.06.15 at 21:44:14

Very exciting! Good job Oscar!

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 29.06.15 at 12:29:25

Thanks guys!

Compilation process is ended. Driver got is 100% functional with Rampage. Amazing!!! :)

Later I will upload the new driver version.

- Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by Tim on 29.06.15 at 14:04:17

That's brilliant!

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by VooDooMan on 30.06.15 at 09:55:18

osckhar wrote on 29.06.15 at 12:29:25:

Thanks guys!

Compilation process is ended. Driver got is 100% functional with Rampage. Amazing!!! :)

Later I will upload the new driver version.

- Oscar.

Fantastic! :D Please give us more details ;)

What does it mean in practice?
Is the card COMPLETELY stable now and you can play ALL the games, benchmarks etc.?

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by osckhar on 01.07.15 at 11:46:04

VooDooMan wrote on 30.06.15 at 09:55:18:

osckhar wrote on 29.06.15 at 12:29:25:

Thanks guys!

Compilation process is ended. Driver got is 100% functional with Rampage. Amazing!!! :)

Later I will upload the new driver version.

- Oscar.

Fantastic! :D Please give us more details ;)

What does it mean in practice?
Is the card COMPLETELY stable now and you can play ALL the games, benchmarks etc.?

Hello,

It means the RAMPAGE SOURCE is correct and files got are compatible with Rampage.

No, driver has different bugs and card lock up often.

The good new is- for each folder inside Rampage source code there are a lot of variables can be set up (enabling / deseabling) feature as you can see in the picture above. We need time for compiling driver with different options and checking performance and stability.

- Oscar.

Title: Re: Rampage game list
Post by ultima on 01.07.15 at 20:45:20

So biggest problem is solved....being able to compile the drivers......now what has to be done is tweak them to get max performance out of them

Will be one hell of a job if ya ask me, but at least you can compile the drivers now, sooo....

Step 1: be able to compile drivers......check
Step 2: fix driver bugs / issues / crashes........work in progress
Step 3: optimize drivers for max performance / stability.......when step 2 is done :)