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Message started by gdonovan on 27.01.05 at 07:17:10

Title: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 27.01.05 at 07:17:10
There might be some truth to it ;-)



Payment sent and board in route, woot!

Anyone in the San Jose area? I might be there in a few weeks!

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Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by TM30 on 27.01.05 at 09:03:33
omfg! nice

is it a Voodoo 3 ? and that connector in the upper left is for SLI?

where did you get it? ebay?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by TM30 on 27.01.05 at 09:05:09
okay found it ;)

Quantum3D AArdvark



Quantum3D does indeed make some Arcade equipment, this videocard is based on a 3DFX Voodoo Banshee, whats the difference bewteen this and a normal Voodoo Banshee?? Notice the two ports on the picture, one port is a VGA connector (for VGA monitors) the other is a 9pin EGA connector (for 15kzh/24khz arcade monitors).

You flash the BIOS to what arcade monitor you want to interface, either 15khz (CGA) or 24khz (EGA), the VGA output is never changed.

To achive the output to lower resolution monitors the AArdvark does anti-aliasing, a simple two-by-two anti-aliasing scheme to compress the 2D into a low-resolution display format.

15khz the output is 320x240, and supports either 320x240 or 640x480.

24khz the output is 512x384, and supports either 512x384, 800x600, 1024x768.

The VGA screen must be one of the above modes and running at 60hz for the video output to be correct.

As the card is almost identical to the Banshee/Voodoo3 in DOS, all references to extra Aardvark functions our noted.

Advantages

Full MAME support for 15/24khz games (using VSyncMAME).
Native 15/24khz output (Aardvark only)
No need for a VGA monitor, PLUG AND PLAY. (Aardvark only)
Windows and Direct3D/OpenGL/Glide at 15khz or 24khz. (Aardvark only)
Motion Compensation for DVD playback.
3DFX Glide support.
Simulatanous VGA and Arcade monitor output (Aardvark only).
Banshee/Voodoo3 2000 cheap.
Supported by Mon-ARC! (full DOS TSR solution)
In-Future support from WinMon-ARC! (25khz Medium Resolution monitor Windows95/98 driver)
Disadvantages

Vesa1.2 when in native arcade mode (Aadvark only), VESA3.0 in software mode.
Native 15khz output is awful, too blurry (Aardvark only).
RGB settings on Arcade monitor way off in Native mode (Aardvark only).
No interlace mode (requried for Vector games).
Expensive if Quantum3D Aardvark..

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 27.01.05 at 14:48:51
Yes it is an Aardvark, I have been searching for one ever since I found mention of the item months ago.

In this case instead of me finding the board, the board found me!

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by OutOfRange on 27.01.05 at 17:20:18
greetings gary  :) very nice item  :D

very special technology  :o

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 27.01.05 at 19:42:27

wrote on 27.01.05 at 07:17:10:
There might be some truth to it ;-)



Payment sent and board in route, woot!

Anyone in the San Jose area? I might be there in a few weeks!


Hey Gary that's a very special nice investment :) It looks like it has more than 16MB SGRAM , what are those two SGRAM like chips in the top is that extra memory or is that something else?

I heard one that there was a 18 Meg Banshee, and the only brands that have wierd stuff are Canopus and Quantum3D, but it looks like your card has 20 megs, which is quite odd if it would be that way.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 27.01.05 at 23:43:46

wrote on 27.01.05 at 19:42:27:
Hey Gary that's a very special nice investment :) It looks like it has more than 16MB SGRAM , what are those two SGRAM like chips in the top is that extra memory or is that something else?

I heard one that there was a 18 Meg Banshee, and the only brands that have wierd stuff are Canopus and Quantum3D, but it looks like your card has 20 megs, which is quite odd if it would be that way.


Well that should not be possible since the Banshee and Voodoo 3 can only access 16 MB. If they are extra ram chips not sure what they would be doing.

Board will be in my hands Friday if all goes well.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by TM30 on 28.01.05 at 10:12:00
in my quoted article you can read that this card does Anti Aliasing in a special way, perhaps this extra memory is designated for doing this...

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 28.01.05 at 15:04:43
All 3dfx cards can do edge anti-aliasing and still doesn't change Banshee chip can only access 16MB.

The ram (if it is ram) cannot be accessed by Banshee, it's a limitation of the chip design.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by NitroX infinity on 28.01.05 at 15:30:16
I'm guessing to are chips for the secondary output. Seems logical to me.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 30.01.05 at 03:06:41
AAdvark # 7 is home.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 30.01.05 at 08:01:47
no #7?
u have 7 of these cards??  :o

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 30.01.05 at 08:03:01
And it does indeed have what looks like a network connector at the top, how odd!

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 30.01.05 at 08:06:04

wrote on 30.01.05 at 08:01:47:
no #7?
u have 7 of these cards??  :o


Has a tag on it that states card #7, it was an internal sample board from a retired Quantum3D engineer.

This is also in route from the same source-



Notice anything odd?


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by NitroX infinity on 30.01.05 at 10:50:37
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/gdonovan_quantum3d/200sbi_missing_chips.jpg

:P

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 30.01.05 at 11:05:48
200SBi- Yup, was an internal test board of some sort with only one Voodoo II chipset installed.

Aardvark- Far as I can tell the card works perfect, I think the "no 3d" on the tag refers to operation off the CGA connector at 320 x 240.

Under Win98SE there was no problems at all.

Only problem now is do I list it as a Banshee board, a Quantum3D board, an arcade board or an engineering sample?  :P

I'm going to bed!

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by OutOfRange on 30.01.05 at 11:29:31
i wish i have your problems some day ;D

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by NitroX infinity on 30.01.05 at 11:36:54

wrote on 30.01.05 at 11:05:48:
Only problem now is do I list it as a Banshee board, a Quantum3D board, an arcade board or an engineering sample?  :P


Same place where you have all the other arcade boards from Q3D listed? ;D

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by osckhar on 30.01.05 at 14:41:17

Quote:
Only problem now is do I list it as a Banshee board, a Quantum3D board, an arcade board or an engineering sample?  

Problems? Don't worry  Gary... Send me the card, I quickly will find what list I must put it! Yeahhhhh!  :P

Oscar

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by paulpsomiadis on 30.01.05 at 15:41:06
Okay then - I'll list the card under: -

"You jammy SWINE!" :o

LOL! ;D

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 16.02.05 at 20:37:21

wrote on 30.01.05 at 15:41:06:
Okay then - I'll list the card under: -

"You jammy SWINE!" :o

LOL! ;D




200SB 16MB with SLI_VGA module.


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by OutOfRange on 16.02.05 at 22:29:05
another very nice baby gary  :D

but i hear the alliance chip scream "I am unworthy to be on a Quantum card, I am unworthy...." LOL  ;D

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 17.02.05 at 04:49:16

wrote on 16.02.05 at 20:37:21:
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200SB 16MB with SLI_VGA module.


Nice find!! 16 meg instead of the standard 24.


What is meant by SLI_VGA ?? Does it have a 15 pin VGA connector instead of the 26 pin Medusa?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 17.02.05 at 05:25:11
It's an onboard 2d module (no seperate 2d card required) and the board still requires a cable to hook up a monitor.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 17.02.05 at 06:02:10
Whoa!! I like that :D

Hey does it fit on anything else 100SB or 200SBi??

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by paulpsomiadis on 17.02.05 at 17:36:59
An all-in-one X24!!! :o :o

[turns green with envy!] 8)

EDIT: Oops! Okay, 200SBi... ::)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 17.02.05 at 17:53:55

wrote on 17.02.05 at 06:02:10:
Hey does it fit on anything else 100SB or 200SBi??


Just 200SB, the SBi has a different pin configuration.

@paulpsomiadis

X-24 doesn't have pins for VGA module or swaplock, also X-24 has 24 megs, this card has just 16.

It's an internal prototype from Quantum3D from an ex-employee.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 18.02.05 at 03:34:43
Nice one Gary!! I like this one better than the 12 MB 200SBi that is Non-SLI. Where do you find this stuff?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 18.02.05 at 06:37:17
Sometimes I find the stuff, other times it finds me.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 18.02.05 at 17:41:39

wrote on 16.02.05 at 20:37:21:
200SB 16MB with SLI_VGA module.



hmmm it should work like a Voodoo Rush right, the Alliance AT25 Semiconducter chip is for the 2D and the 3Dfx for the 3D, so it would make sense that 4MB is for the AT25 and 12MB for the onboard Voodoo2 chipset :)

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Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 18.02.05 at 17:59:48
No- This is a 200SB with 16 MB instead of 24 MB of ram.

It has TWO Voodoo II chipsets on it, not one.


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 19.02.05 at 00:57:59

wrote on 18.02.05 at 17:59:48:
It has TWO Voodoo II chipsets on it, not one.


I still admire that SBi with on 1 V2 chipset on it ;) How r@re can that be?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 19.02.05 at 01:26:29
Actually there is two and the clarity of image rendering is striking, it's the first thing you notice.

Cut'n paste time.

"Actually, I told him about the crisp output and he said that was because the output on that board was not routed near something (terminology that went over my head) that normally causes small amounts of degradation.  Or something like that...  I have
emailed him to scribble down some of the details so you can post it."

I'm trying to work a deal and obtain the second one as well.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 19.02.05 at 04:06:48
So IQ better than a standard V2 but certainly not exceeding the production 200SBi that is awesome. I think it couldn't be said better that in Oscars eBay listing.

"200SBi is that it has a slightly better visual quality than the X-24 or 200SB. This is a phenomenon both I and the only other gamer I know who uses a 200SBi have noticed, and we can only assume it's because the SLI connection is kept on one board as PCB traces instead of using pins which could be more prone to interference. The 200SBi is in my opinion the ultimate 3dfx video card for real-world use, because it's the most advanced (and cool looking) Voodoo2 SLI design and Voodoo2 cards can be used alongside more modern 3D cards."


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 19.02.05 at 04:43:24

wrote on 19.02.05 at 04:06:48:
So IQ better than a standard V2 but certainly not exceeding the production 200SBi that is awesome.


NO- the image qualty EXCEEDS the regular 200SBi.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 26.02.05 at 06:21:34


http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/album81

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Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 26.02.05 at 07:47:31
Wow! look at those 2 dually cards!

Those are nice!!!

Did you score everything pictured from the same person?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 26.02.05 at 07:54:30
Just came from the gallery.

Never seen so many not-for-sale 3dfx cards grouped together before.


Nice catch!!

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 26.02.05 at 09:57:10
fantastic!
now thats a real dream for me

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 26.02.05 at 14:00:07

wrote on 26.02.05 at 07:54:30:
Never seen so many not-for-sale 3dfx cards grouped together before.


The only card that isn't unique is the Voodoo3-2000 on the lower right, and even then I'm not sure as it has an odd decal on the back I have to investigate.

All the rest have "not for resale tags" or are stupendously rare (Avenger with 3dfx LCD chip, 4500 Copper PCB) and a 3dfx internal Banshee 34/98 date.

The shirt and golf markers were from Ebay, everything came in one shot yesterday.

The only card that doesn't work is the copper 4500... but a scan of the PCI bus shows that it is there so there is a very good chance it can be repaired. The 5500 with no ram I didn't bother plugging in as it appears to be some sort of a test board and with no ram or heatsinks...


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by omega_supreme on 26.02.05 at 14:13:52
That voodoo 5 5500 is working without any memory?  :o

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 26.02.05 at 14:22:04
I thought of that as I was drinking my coffee..

(I need a sign over my desk that reads "don't post while under the influence of beer or under insufficient amounts of coffee")

That one I did not even think of plugging since I don't expect it to do anything. Seller indicated it had something to do with power supply testing related to the recall they had on the early 5500's.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by omega_supreme on 26.02.05 at 14:43:04
hehe allright  ;)

Well, I already thought you forgot about it but since the little v3 also has no memory visible I though I should ask.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 26.02.05 at 17:00:26

Quote:
but a scan of the PCI bus shows that it is there so there is a very good chance it can be repaired.



Is it a broken trace on the PBC?

I've had pretty good luck repairing motherboards the people got careless with a screwdriver while mounting the heatsink/fan on the CPU.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 26.02.05 at 17:04:48

wrote on 26.02.05 at 17:00:26:
Is it a broken trace on the PBC?


I doubt it.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by paulpsomiadis on 26.02.05 at 20:14:04
Is the top left card the Avenger? ???

==EDIT==

Aah, okay - I forgot that "Avenger = V3" ::)

So what IS the top left card then? ???

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 26.02.05 at 20:19:40
Black card, on the left side near the middle of the row.

Avenger = Early Voodoo 3


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 26.02.05 at 22:57:19

wrote on 26.02.05 at 20:14:04:
So what IS the top left card then? ???


Very early (44-99) pre-production single chip VSA-100.

I know of only three in the world, I have one and Patience one of the others.

The Avenger with TV and LCD output is my favorite of the bunch- A never seen before combo (ultra rare 3dfx LCD chip, and old logo to boot)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 27.02.05 at 02:30:08
So  like this topic is called Luck of the Irish, where is the Irish bloke then :) I mean what has an Irish dude got to do with this anywayzz :)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 27.02.05 at 03:49:02

wrote on 27.02.05 at 02:30:08:
So  like this topic is called Luck of the Irish, where is the Irish bloke then :) I mean what has an Irish dude got to do with this anywayzz :)



What does "Bloke" mean?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 27.02.05 at 04:20:43
Bloke = guy
more like a british term

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 27.02.05 at 19:37:59
Oh Okay.

Well I'm not sure but "Donovan" is probably Irish. I'm from German descent myself. Most Americans are from other parts of the world. We are like the big melting pot of the world. The only native Americans are American Indians. At least that's what I've been taught in the American public school system ;)

Gary's a pretty lucky guy, don't you think?

Well at least I consider him lucky to have such a collection ;D

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 27.02.05 at 20:35:14

wrote on 27.02.05 at 19:37:59:
Well I'm not sure but "Donovan" is probably Irish.


Correct, from my fathers side of the tree. Mom's grandparents were from Germany.


Quote:
The only native Americans are American Indians.


And even that's a joke since its been suspected they came over the land bridge between USSR and Alaska.

For the record I abhor the PC titles "Irish-American" or "African-American" etc. etc.  You are either American (in my case of course) or you are not, I see no reason to hyphenate my national identity.

It's one thing to acknowledge where your from, quite another to place it first before your homeland. In my eyes it shows disrespect to the nation you are calling home.

Sorry for the rant.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 28.02.05 at 00:58:54
USSR.. never heard that for quite some time already.
Yeah so basically Siberia that we are talking about.


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 28.02.05 at 01:10:27
Showing my age I guess ;-)

Big hair, Ronny as prez, Van Halen in their prime, lots of hard partying and drag racing every weekend.

Ahh.. to be young and in the 1980's again.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 28.02.05 at 05:09:04
Hey im a fan of 80s music :)
even though im suppose to be enjoying the 90s more..
Early 90s was still cool

hehe..

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by osckhar on 28.02.05 at 16:25:54
@Gary,
How works the V4 4500@4800? Has it a right bios? Is to say, if has it enabled the option DVI and TV through of the 3Dfx Tool? Bios recognizes the card with 64Mb?

ps. Congratulation for the deal! :D

Regards,
Oscar

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 28.02.05 at 21:35:01
I have verified the card does indeed have 64 MB of ram (compared the ram markings to another board)

Will try firing it up later this afternoon, right now I'm working on the broken 4500 along with the typical few hundred other things that happen on Mondays.

"More advanced then everyone" mousepads anyone?


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 28.02.05 at 21:41:04
sjoooooooooooooooooooooo Sicko! Well at least you won't run out of mousepads LOL :D Cool Gary really that  PWNzzz! man Pure 3dfx Mousepad Pwnage!!!!

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 28.02.05 at 22:01:38
I'm only keeping a few, the rest are for board members who asked me to bid for them so eveything would come in one package and save on shipping.

The rest I'll just sell off for a few bucks each.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Eye-Q on 28.02.05 at 22:38:50

wrote on 28.02.05 at 22:01:38:
The rest I'll just sell off for a few bucks each.

Here! Me! ;D
Do you have 3 or 4 of each motive remaining? I'm interested in them. ;)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by paulpsomiadis on 01.03.05 at 02:14:24
Off topic I know... ::)

80's music...The Buggles: Video Killed the Radio Star. 8)

CLASSIC! ;D

@Gdonovan - nice mousemats! :o

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 01.03.05 at 04:08:22
thats the entire store worth of mouse pad stocks LOL

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 01.03.05 at 06:22:58
Follow up to the 64MB card-

Clearly as you can see in the photo it has 64 MB of ram installed. The chips are identical to a regular 4500 32 MB except for the fact of course that there is twice as many of them.

The bios is a generic version 1.11 that identifies the card as a 4500 with 32 MB of ram.

Very puzzling.


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 01.03.05 at 07:25:55
so just twice the amount of RAM then

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 01.03.05 at 07:28:06
It has twice the ram (64 MB) and DVI & TV outputs too.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by OutOfRange on 01.03.05 at 07:37:49
gary if you have some pads left i'm very interested in a pair  :D

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 01.03.05 at 07:56:12
I'll check in the morning, I'm off to bed.

G

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by OutOfRange on 01.03.05 at 08:21:44
damn time lagg  ;D here in switzerland it's now 8:21 AM and i'm started workin  ::)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by sloomy on 01.03.05 at 10:29:38
you can easly see , that both cards also do not have the same PCB color. The protetype cards are mostly made  intern, so they are a liittle bit "gray-green" than the retail produced  3dfx cards

@ Gary

I'm also interested in some pad, at least in one  :D

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by goriath on 01.03.05 at 10:47:43
One Voodoo3 3500 mouse pad also for me?? :P

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by osckhar on 01.03.05 at 11:38:27

Quote:
The bios is a generic version 1.11 that identifies the card as a 4500 with 32 MB of ram.

Mmmm, WEIRD!  :-/

And about DVI&TV outputs. Do they work well? Both outputs are enabled in the 3Dfx Tools?

Regards,
oscar

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by paulpsomiadis on 01.03.05 at 12:37:30
@gdonovan - if you could upload the BIOS of the 64MB card to "3DfxBIOS" it would be useful too... ;D

...err, that is if the owner of the site will upload it! ::)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 01.03.05 at 14:13:26

wrote on 01.03.05 at 11:38:27:
And about DVI&TV outputs. Do they work well? Both outputs are enabled in the 3Dfx Tools?


They show up in 3dfx tools and are available for function.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by osckhar on 01.03.05 at 16:39:46

Quote:
They show up in 3dfx tools and are available for function.

Nice!!! :D

About 64Mb: I don't understand the finality of assembling a V4 with 64Mb and not modify the bios to work to 64Mb. Very RARE!  :-/

Regards,
Oscar

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 01.03.05 at 16:47:21

wrote on 01.03.05 at 16:39:46:
About 64Mb: I don't understand the finality of assembling a V4 with 64Mb and not modify the bios to work to 64Mb. Very RARE!  :-/


One can assume at one time it did have the correct bios since the one on the board now is a fairly later version.

The trick now is to find the correct revision.

Didn't someone mention that there was another board floating around with the same ram configuration and outputs? It would be best to check with the owner of that board and see if he could do a bios dump.

An easy way to check if the bios and ram are working is to simply use 3DMark2001SE in 2x AA mode.

A 4500 with 32 MB won't run since it doesn't have the ram needed, returns an error message.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by osckhar on 01.03.05 at 17:09:38

Quote:
Didn't someone mention that there was another board floating around with the same ram configuration and outputs?

I don't know here but  I have seen this card on ebay. The seller was bOingball from x-3dfx site.  I don't know about the buyer. Times ago I contacted with him. I did a offer, but he doesn't want to sell! Now he is missing! :(





Regards,
Oscar

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by goriath on 01.03.05 at 20:02:59
Of course...if i was the buyer, i do not re-sell this card for any reason....

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by omega_supreme on 01.03.05 at 20:21:33

Quote:
Now he is missing!


Missing?...just a few minutes ago i've seen him in x3dfx chat. If your fast enough..maybe you can catch him  ;)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 01.03.05 at 20:21:37
I just want a copy of the bios and see what happens.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 02.03.05 at 02:34:04

wrote on 01.03.05 at 10:29:38:
I'm also interested in some pad, at least in one  :D


I set aside a "red" one, all that is left. If you want two let me know soon.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 02.03.05 at 02:37:37

wrote on 01.03.05 at 10:47:43:
One Voodoo3 3500 mouse pad also for me?? :P


The last one is set aside for you.

I have only a few red left, $2.50 each.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 02.03.05 at 02:40:22

wrote on 01.03.05 at 07:37:49:
gary if you have some pads left i'm very interested in a pair  :D


2 red ok? if so I think that's about all of them.

The bulk of the blues went to a member on the board (pre-arranged to save shipping)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by sloomy on 02.03.05 at 03:27:30
which one's are the "red "ones ?

i would gladly want to have 2 of them, but i see all of them are gone.. For the next time, please reserve please  for me some  pads  :D

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 02.03.05 at 05:14:05

wrote on 02.03.05 at 03:27:30:
which one's are the "red "ones ?

i would gladly want to have 2 of them, but i see all of them are gone.. For the next time, please reserve please  for me some  pads  :D


You have the last red one if you want it (total of 2), its the one with the 5500 AGP image.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by OutOfRange on 02.03.05 at 07:00:41

wrote on 02.03.05 at 02:40:22:
2 red ok? if so I think that's about all of them.

The bulk of the blues went to a member on the board (pre-arranged to save shipping)


yes that's ok, please let me know how much they are :)
thanks


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by sloomy on 02.03.05 at 09:43:23

wrote on 02.03.05 at 05:14:05:
You have the last red one if you want it (total of 2), its the one with the 5500 AGP image.


OK, i'll take it. It would be better , to become one of the   aVoodoo3  ones, but maybe next time , if you'll get some, you can reserve some for me. :)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 02.03.05 at 14:01:20

wrote on 02.03.05 at 09:43:23:
OK, i'll take it. It would be better , to become one of the   aVoodoo3  ones, but maybe next time , if you'll get some, you can reserve some for me. :)


Of the 34 mousepads purchased I have only 2/2 left for myself, If I knew that board memebers wanted them I would have purchased them all. =)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 02.03.05 at 20:14:00
Just some better shots of a few boards-




Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 03.03.05 at 02:59:15
hmm at first I though that that black Voodoo3 had a DVI connector, bit if you look at the 4800's DVI the black V3's DVI looks alot smaller, so what kind of connector is it then?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 03.03.05 at 03:40:11
It's an early DVI connector, in the late 90's there was no set spec for them that I'm aware of.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 03.03.05 at 16:12:06
wow that's a nice find Gary :) there is also no hardware to test it with? I mean that DVI connector? cause that would also be great if you had en onl DVI device to test it with :D

Only wish that was possible .

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 03.03.05 at 17:09:59

wrote on 03.03.05 at 16:12:06:
wow that's a nice find


That is what we call a vast understatment.


Quote:
there is also no hardware to test it with? I mean that DVI connector?


I would have to research flat panels and see if I could find one with that connector, Ebay I suspect. Best thing to do would would be take a picture of the connector and show it to sellers on Ebay and ask if it matched the items they had for sale.

Not much of a priority I'm afraid, I'm content with the board itself and don't need a LCD too!



Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 17.03.05 at 22:38:54


http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/album81

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Eye-Q on 17.03.05 at 23:04:24
:o Whoa, nice set 8)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 17.03.05 at 23:47:27
Just got a note back from the guy who designed this board, it has a V3 chip BTW.

Subject: Just what the heck were you building out there?

Answer: The stuff on the right is a dynamic load to allow power supply testing, and the power supply circuit we wanted to test, for the V5 6K.  Turned out to be overkill.


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 18.03.05 at 08:17:47
very impressive gary.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 18.03.05 at 12:20:29

wrote on 17.03.05 at 22:38:54:


http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/album81



wow that 5500 AGP Dual CRT is very nice, it also has that Flap behind the AGP connector the same type of flap the Voodoo5 6000 Rev.A1 1500 has :)


and another thing, I also thought about the extenal power supply plug for this card:


you see that the streched Voodoo3 this card:

it has a white PSU plug abouve the CRT in, and the V56K 2x2 card has traces for that plug ;)


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 18.03.05 at 14:38:33
You have a sharp eye my friend- The power supply test board white connectors also have a pcb lock on the back side, looking at the PCB of the Comdex board those locks would fit perfect into the locations there.

Nice.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 18.03.05 at 15:12:33
The Force is my powerfull Ally ;)

Yeah thanx Gary, I used to make model planes and hav'n a sharp eye is very important for perfection for the models.

Anyway there is something else also.

The Voodoo3 strech has the layout of a Velocity-100, I'm asumeing it has 8MB 5,5ns SGRAM :)

here the Velocity 100 and under it that strech V3 circuit test board for V56K. :





I saw this by looking carefully at the traces in the PCB and the layout of the chips themselves.

There are some little differences though in the fron part, the strech V3 circuit test board for V56K had some unknown VRM like chipless space, which the Velocity 100 does not have, the Velocity 100 has it's VRM placed just before the AGP connector, the strech V3 circuit test board for V56K is also missing that chip there also.

I'm not sure if it's a VRM, but it look's like one.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by TM30 on 20.03.05 at 14:05:45
is there anything written for a voodoo 2 with 4MB and only one TMU?

i wanna get some infos to my card...


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 20.03.05 at 14:51:49
Please note that a few of the shots have a fuzzy spot in the picture, this is due to a defect of my camera which is due to be replaced.



Tom's Hardware also had a mention of the 6MB models, nowhere else on the net have I found a reference. It would be nice if you could scan in that article.

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/19980227/index.html



This page shows two 6MB cards in SLI configuration- Note the location of ram for CK and which direction the SLI connector is pointing.

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/19980201/index-01.html

The V2 in my hand is dated 44-97, with the chips dated 46-97.  November of 1997!

In regards to the big PCB with the V3- It's been stated that the reason a V3 chip was used for this V6K powersupply test board was that 3dfx didn't want to burn up any VSA-100 chips in testing.

Perhaps they were in short supply at the time?

Some favorites from the box-



4MB Voodoo Rush board is very cool!



V5-6000 Intel PCB!



Prototype V6k fan set never used- I almost didn't get this one, the seller wanted to hang on to it and there was some hard barginning.



A prototype Voodoo 3 with SDRAM, also note the PCI interface and TV-out. What is intresting is the 3dfx had no plans to sell a PCI V3 version (or so they claimed back in the day)



An intresting prototype- Also PCI but the Voodoo 3 has an external RAMDAC chip like a Voodoo 2!



My favorite of the V3 boards- Fan cooled and running at 183mhz!

I'm only keeping about a dozen of the boards shown, everything else is up for trades or outright sale and a few have already found new homes  :)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 21.03.05 at 09:48:30

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 21.03.05 at 18:55:49
Obi-Wan_Kenobi this picture is for you!






Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 21.03.05 at 22:36:29




I have one of the V6K test boards powered up!! WOO!!!

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 22.03.05 at 09:51:22
thnak you very much for that Velocity 200 photo set :D really nice man, and that V56K cicuit test board is a V3 1K8MB @ 143 Mhz, very interesting a Velocity 100 ran that speed also, and a normal V3 1K ran @ 125Mhz, funny.

But what are those three big square like things on that Voodoo 3? would they have been sockets for VSA-100's or so?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 22.03.05 at 12:43:59

wrote on 22.03.05 at 09:51:22:
thnak you very much for that Velocity 200 photo set :D really nice man, and that V56K cicuit test board is a V3 1K8MB @ 143 Mhz, very interesting a Velocity 100 ran that speed also, and a normal V3 1K ran @ 125Mhz, funny.

But what are those three big square like things on that Voodoo 3? would they have been sockets for VSA-100's or so?


1) You have to remember the board was for dynamic load testing of the Voodoo Volts power supplies, I doubt how the card performed was of much importance. They just used the cheapest chipset they had on hand, hence the velocity 100 specs.

2) Has something to do with simulating the electrical load of a V5-6000 running. Someone with a background in electronics might be able to offer a better idea then I.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by sloomy on 23.03.05 at 00:42:58

wrote on 22.03.05 at 09:51:22:
..... that V56K cicuit test board is a V3 1K8MB @ 143 Mhz, very interesting a Velocity 100 ran that speed also, and a normal V3 1K ran @ 125Mhz, funny.



Are you sure about the Voodoo3 1000 clock speed ? Is a Velocity is faster clocked ( 143 mhz) as a Voodoo3 1000 ( 125(?) ) ?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by FalconFly on 23.03.05 at 00:47:08
Yep, that's also the way I know it.

Voodoo3 1000 : 125MHz (note : no Cooler on the Voodoo3 Chip)
Velocity 100 : 143MHz (passive Cooler on Chip)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 23.03.05 at 03:22:15
No Overclock Tab.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 23.03.05 at 05:28:15

wrote on 23.03.05 at 00:42:58:
Are you sure about the Voodoo3 1000 clock speed ? Is a Velocity is faster clocked ( 143 mhz) as a Voodoo3 1000 ( 125(?) ) ?


Only the Compaq V3-1000 16MB was clocked at 125 mhz.

The Gateway V3-1000 "Bonesteel" aka Velocity 100 8MB is clocked at 143 mhz.

NOTE- A large number of 3dfx lab cards have no heatsink mounted, this is normal due to the fact most of the cards had temporary clamp on heat spreaders so the cards could be modified with ease.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 23.03.05 at 11:39:12
okay the same solution they used with the Rampage card:
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/3dfxrampage/3dfx_rampage_001.thumb.jpg

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/3dfxrampage/3dfx_rampage_002.thumb.jpg

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/3dfxrampage/3dfx_rampage_012.thumb.jpg

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/3dfxrampage/3dfx_rampage_011.thumb.jpg

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/3dfxrampage/3dfx_rampage_013.thumb.jpg

click thunmbnails to enlarge ;)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 23.03.05 at 13:57:17
Nope, the pictures of Rampage show a "clamshell" board with a removable GPU.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by goriath on 23.03.05 at 15:23:33

wrote on 23.03.05 at 05:28:15:
Only the Compaq V3-1000 16MB was clocked at 125 mhz.

The Gateway V3-1000 "Bonesteel" aka Velocity 100 8MB is clocked at 143 mhz.

NOTE- A large number of 3dfx lab cards have no heatsink mounted, this is normal due to the fact most of the cards had temporary clamp on heat spreaders so the cards could be modified with ease.


Sorry, little question: For Velocity 100 (or GateWay V3 1000 or also called Bonesteel), bios shown Velocity 100 or Voodoo3 1000 ???

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 23.03.05 at 16:22:52
Info on boot up-

Gateway = Voodoo 3 1000G
Compaq = No boot info at all
Velocity 100 = Velocity 100

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 25.03.05 at 22:06:28
call that luck of the Irish indeed mate ;)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 26.03.05 at 15:20:39
Here is some information on the early flat panels-

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/19990707/tft-3-02.html

"The 20-pin DFP connector (MDR20). The maximum resolution is restricted to 1280 x 1024 pixels. "

If I find some spare time I'll have to look around ebay for one to try.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 27.03.05 at 10:47:59
try that translotor pageya know Altavista's Bablefish.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

dat moet wel wat gemakkelijker gaan voor die helse poppen :D

Hup Holland Hup!

May The Force Be With You mate :)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 30.03.05 at 10:52:51
BTW Gary this Dual CRT Voodoo5 5500 AGP :


I see you have another one but with out that flap and 2 heat spreaders on the VSA-100's:



do these cards support the Dual head feature, or was that not invented then?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 30.03.05 at 15:06:57

wrote on 30.03.05 at 10:52:51:
do these cards support the Dual head feature, or was that not invented then?


Neither card is functioning so really can't answer the question, I am told it is a dual head like setup though.

I'm going to try and get one of the boards repaired, if so then I'll sell off the other.

On the website these pages have been updated with the new cards-


http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/pro_rush.htm
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/pro_v2.htm
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/pro_banshee.htm
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/pro_v3.htm
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/pro_vsa.htm


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 30.03.05 at 16:46:16
:D Wauw :D a Rev.A1 4599 that is very old, it must of been one of the first Voodoo5 cards every to be built, and yeah 100Mhz for Core and Mem is quite odd indeed, but hey it's one the first, so I suppose 3dfx Engineers were testing what speed would of been the safest for the Voodoo5 to operate with no wanna wonder it has no fans on the heatsinks, that solves a link also.

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/prototypes/proto_v5_dualhead.jpg

So the Bios does work, hmm how about a new bios flash, like Edmund did with his Banshee Copper board, the one he bought from you once in a while?

Just think'n out loud Gary, I like to look for sollutions when ever possible. And if it is something else how would you know what has to be repared?


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 30.03.05 at 17:32:38
Different bios revisions have already been tried, both boards show up on the PCI bus during a scan but will not output VGA.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 30.03.05 at 17:49:49

wrote on 30.03.05 at 16:46:16:
no wanna wonder it has no fans on the heatsinks, that solves a link also.


A lot of lab cards have no heatsinks since they tend to get in the way during regular reworking of the boards when troubleshooting.

It's not uncommon to have temporary heat spreaders that are easily removed when work is required.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by jblue on 06.04.05 at 17:51:11

wrote on 30.01.05 at 08:06:04:
Has a tag on it that states card #7, it was an internal sample board from a retired Quantum3D engineer.

This is also in route from the same source-



Notice anything odd?

It is loooooooooong card  :)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 06.04.05 at 19:14:10
It's a 200SBi with only a single V2 chipset instead of two.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 12.04.05 at 03:33:11
This month the luck continues to hold-



V5-6000 "3900" with Voodoo Volts.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by VDX on 12.04.05 at 06:04:40
nice catch :o

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by osckhar on 12.04.05 at 12:19:28
Congratulations Gary! Impressive v6k card, rev 3900. Mmmmm, Very ODD!

ps. I want a VOODOO VOLTS!  ;D

Regards,
Oscar


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by paulpsomiadis on 12.04.05 at 23:01:02
KEWL! 8)

So how many V5 6000's do you own now Gary? ???

Oh and what's that HUGE card at the top left of the picture with all the cards taken at once (above the V5 6000 with the spacer on the end)? ???

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by OutOfRange on 12.04.05 at 23:13:40
yeah man  :D

great congratulations !  8)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Eye-Q on 13.04.05 at 00:17:15

wrote on 12.04.05 at 23:01:02:
Oh and what's that HUGE card at the top left of the picture with all the cards taken at once (above the V5 6000 with the spacer on the end)? ???

That's an Aalchemy 8164 (8x VSA-100, 512 MB of RAM) with power connection board.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 13.04.05 at 01:26:42

wrote on 12.04.05 at 23:01:02:
So how many V5 6000's do you own now Gary? ???


As keepers I own a 3700, a 3900 and a semi blank 0700 "intel" PCB.

I had two spare 3700's which I let go to friends who were in need of a V6K fix.

I'm planning on obtaining another 3700 and the prototype V6K fan assembly will be installed so it can be viewed and operated in all it's glory as 3dfx intended.


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 13.04.05 at 07:43:14
Weeding out parts of the collection, 30 items uploaded tonight-

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/album41?page=3

Package deals possible of course.

Down to 204 cards, have to find another 20-30 tonight that have to go.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by paulpsomiadis on 14.04.05 at 00:30:31

Quote:
That's an Aalchemy 8164 (8x VSA-100, 512 MB of RAM) with power connection board.


Holeeey sheee-it!!! :o :o

@Gdonovan - WOW that's some serious collection! ;D

PROPS and RESPECT! 8)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 14.04.05 at 03:33:50

wrote on 14.04.05 at 00:30:31:
@Gdonovan - WOW that's some serious collection! ;D

PROPS and RESPECT! 8)


Why thank you, I'm striving for the best and have been very lucky of late.

Most of the important boards can be seen here-

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 15.04.05 at 14:51:02
Down to 195 I'm keeping now but need to find 10-20 more to go   :(

Ones I'm considering letting go-

Maxigamer Voodoo 2 (new boxed)
Trust Banshee PCI (new boxed, UK)
<gone> Procomp Voodoo II (boxed, Germany)
<gone> Game Wizard SLI for Mac (boxed)
<gone> G-Links unique Voodoo II for I-mac (boxed)
<stay> Modular Tech Voodoo Graphics (boxed, UK)
Innovision Banshee (boxed new, UK)
Innovision Voodoo II (boxed, Germany)
Miro Hiscore Voodoo I (Boxed, UK)
Miro Hiscore Voodoo II (Boxed, Germany)
Jaton Voodoo II (new boxed)
<gone> Dragon 3000 Banshee (new boxed)
<stay>  Dragon 4000 Voodoo II (boxed, Germany)
Diamond Fusion AGP 16 MB SGRAM (boxed)

<stay> Wicked3d Vengance Banshee PCI with disk
Biostar Voodoo Graphics (mailed from Taiwan!)
<gone> ProVideo PV830 (Dark Blue PCB/110 mhz ram)
<gone> Powercolor Voodoo II

Hard choices my friends, very hard choices.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by TM30 on 15.04.05 at 18:32:55
always the luck...  ::)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 16.04.05 at 01:09:22
heh it's more co-incidence than Luck :-/

Gary's right lett'n loose of a few cards is needed he does need the livin space to live.

Anyway Gary you're still do'n a great thing with your collection we all have learned alot also ;) Thanx to you mate.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 16.04.05 at 03:00:19

wrote on 16.04.05 at 01:09:22:
Gary's right lett'n loose of a few cards is needed he does need the livin space to live.


Space really isn't this issue- I could always put some up in the attic! The problem is there are too many and it's hard to see a tree in the midst of a forest.  

I'd rather have smaller number of unique cards then a great number of cards in general.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 16.04.05 at 10:09:29
Yeah you got a point there haha you do have heaps, and it is gett'n hard to see which ones are there or not, the forrest keeps on grow'n .

time to chop doown a few trees then. just keep the most worthy ones and let go of the most common ones I guess.


Though I still think there is alot more we don't know of yet, there's gotta be more wierder stuff out there.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 17.04.05 at 22:33:31
189 cards now, 13 more items uploaded to-

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/album41

TM30 and I are going to pass each other soon.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by TM30 on 17.04.05 at 23:37:59
you mean in count of cards or what?

why do you sell them? do you have them in doubles or do you have no more room for it?

and most of the cards you'll trade are not common... such as the Viewtop Voodoo Banshee...

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Chosen_One on 17.04.05 at 23:56:06

wrote on 16.04.05 at 03:00:19:
Space really isn't this issue- I could always put some up in the attic! The problem is there are too many and it's hard to see a tree in the midst of a forest.  

I'd rather have smaller number of unique cards then a great number of cards in general.


@tm30: i guess this is the answer ;)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by TM30 on 18.04.05 at 00:37:13
hmm than put it all on the wall, sortet by kind of GPU... and everything is in order. or some nice showcases...

c'mon this is really no problem   ::)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 23.04.05 at 23:32:57




No luck this time around, just plain hard research!

Ever since I found out 3dfx boards were used in some arcade applications I have been researching into this area to find out what machines used their chips. You are looking at a Voodoo 3 board used in a golf game!

The company was using production Voodoo 3 boards but when 3dfx closed their doors and the PCI board supply dried up they were forced to make their own Voodoo 3 boards if they wished to continue selling machines and have spares on hand.

The chip is dated mid 2000, the board is dated 2702!

Yes, 3dfx Voodoo 3's were still being made mid-year in 2002. What is odd is the board has no bios chip, I think the games motherboard handles the functions that the cards bios would normally handle. I tried running in on a PC and it does show up as a 3dfx card on a PCI bus scan and windows also sees it but the hardware conflicts with several items in the PC. I think the card is setup for one set of interrupts which isn't a problem for one locked dedicated platform but is an issue for PC hardware which needs to share resources and be more flexible.

I lucked out after e-mailing several dozen arcade owners who had kits for sale, this one was from spares owned by a company in Canada. The PCB is a nice dark blue color, the bottom picture is much closer to being correct.

I removed the heatsink to get a picture of the bare chip and could not get a decent picture today with the correct color and lighting.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by TM30 on 23.04.05 at 23:44:19
great stuff, gary!

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by paulpsomiadis on 23.04.05 at 23:47:28
WHOA! Nice! 8)

Which Golf arcade was it from @Gdonovan? ???

Heh, if I got it I'd prolly get a BIOS off an old MB - solder it and flash the card... ;)

...but it's just cos' I'm a moddin' phreak! ;D

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 24.04.05 at 00:06:33

wrote on 23.04.05 at 23:47:28:
Which Golf arcade was it from @Gdonovan? ???


Heh, I knew that question was going to come up ;-)

See these "Golden Tee Fore" auctions-

This auction has normal 3000-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13718&item=6171602126



This auction has the IT board-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13718&item=6172324248



Another 3000-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13718&item=6172919551



Kit with a 2000-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13718&item=6173376250



Most of the kits seem to come with either the later 2000 or 3000 PCI boards from 3dfx, I have seen one with a Powercolor PCI board too. I warn you the kits go for big bucks and the arcade operators don't part with anything that make them money lightly.

Most of the kits will clear $500-$1200 on ebay depending on what version is being sold.

I considered trying a chip but the blue IT boards are seen very rare with these kits, I think they were spares only... and considering the board works fine in a game I'm going to leave it be. Who knows, adding a bios chip might not even work since the game doesn't require one, the traces might not even be there or correct.

Welcome to a whole new aspect of 3dfx collecting  ;D

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 25.04.05 at 22:15:26


This card has been returned to function.

The early PCB has a problem running at the native 66 mhz AGP bus speed but by changing the divider from 1/1 to 2/3 in the computers bios it has no problem running at 44 mhz bus. I'm told it has something to do with some of the trace lengths in the PCB screwing up the timings. (I think I remember that right)

With the regular drivers it has no problem running in single chip, dual chip and 2x AA mode, when running in 4x AA mode it has some screen flashing issues.

I'm very happy it works at all  =)

Dual head operation is not available, I'm told unique drivers are required.


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by OutOfRange on 25.04.05 at 22:41:59
yeah :) good job gary  :D

i hope someday my 4200 comes also back to life  :-/

what about the dual monitor feature ? no signal or no option to enable it in the driver ?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 25.04.05 at 22:55:34

wrote on 25.04.05 at 22:41:59:
i hope someday my 4200 comes also back to life  :-/


What does it do/not do?


Quote:
what about the dual monitor feature ? no signal or no option to enable it in the driver ?


enable through unique drivers only.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by TM30 on 25.04.05 at 23:45:51
gary, did you put coolers on that 5500? hope so ^^

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by OutOfRange on 25.04.05 at 23:46:49
about my 4200:

if i plug it single to my mobo (tested on SD11 Slot A and KT333 Soyo yet) the motherboard starts but no beep is hearing and no picture...
if i put a second graphic card onto the mobo, the computer starts normaly, the pci device list shows a "unknown pci device".. windows also find an "pci device" but i cannot install any driver  :-/

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by FalconFly on 25.04.05 at 23:48:17
Hm, that sounds like a possible Video BIOS problem of that Card.
(otherwise, the BIOS should at least report it as a PCI Video Card with correct HW and Vendor PCI-ID values)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by OutOfRange on 25.04.05 at 23:50:26
hmmm what about a bios flash ? is it possible if the original bios is damaged ?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 26.04.05 at 01:33:11

wrote on 25.04.05 at 23:45:51:
gary, did you put coolers on that 5500? hope so ^^


No need, a large fan does the trick alone as the cards default speed is 100 mhz.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 26.04.05 at 01:39:20

wrote on 25.04.05 at 23:46:49:
if i plug it single to my mobo (tested on SD11 Slot A and KT333 Soyo yet) the motherboard starts but no beep is hearing and no picture...


You could try another motherboard- The 4200 16MB I have works in only 2 of the 6 motherboards I have here and even then reliably in one.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 26.04.05 at 17:14:10
<quote with images snipped to speed up page loading>

well this is another leap foreward :) but is there a way to get those unique Dual Head drivers? and if so could a VoodooMAC 5500 also use the Dual Head Function with a PC bios?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 26.04.05 at 17:40:28

wrote on 26.04.05 at 17:14:10:
is there a way to get those unique Dual Head drivers? and if so could a VoodooMAC 5500 also use the Dual Head Function with a PC bios?


1) I doubt it.

2) I have no idea, it would depend on the bios, the card and the drivers.

I don't have not enough info even to speculate.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by paulpsomiadis on 26.04.05 at 18:12:09
Hmm...looks like you can buy 'spare' parts from the Incredible Tech, homepage... ;D

http://www.itsgames.com/Support/parts.asp

Scroll down to "Voodoo Card"...but the price is REDICULOUS! :o

Also...seems like PGA Tour Golf was developed after Golden Tee... ::)

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/circs/7th/033785p.pdf


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 26.04.05 at 18:53:24

wrote on 26.04.05 at 18:12:09:
Scroll down to "Voodoo Card"...but the price is REDICULOUS! :o


$169 seems fair considering they are not selling them by the millions like 3dfx was.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by paulpsomiadis on 26.04.05 at 22:32:19
I suppose it is when you consider that they can't have many Banshee chips left...after all, no one is producing the GFX cores anymore... ::)

...still, one for those of us who have more cash though! :P

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 27.04.05 at 00:31:33
Voodoo 3, not Banshee.

I know people who might pay $169 for a new unique Voodoo 3, I'm content with a used one for much less ;-)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 28.04.05 at 17:53:14
Rampage discussion snipped from thread, lets keep more or less on topic guys.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 02.05.05 at 18:51:21
Well Gary as my 500th post :) I would want to ask, are there anymore cards we don't know of yet, like backhand Prototypes or other scraped projects, if you know something very interesting , like what happened to the Voodoo4-2 4000, why did it get scraped?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 02.05.05 at 19:03:38
How can I foresee a board I have never seen before  ;D

Stuff does pop up time to time like the IBM 4200 and the Voodoo Volts test board but I think just about everything there is to see has been seen by now..

But I'm always open for a surprise.


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 02.05.05 at 19:48:24
yeah me too Gary heh we all are right people ! ;D

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 04.05.05 at 21:35:13


Brand new boxed Voodoo Volts from an ex-3dfx employee.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 05.05.05 at 00:39:55
omg !!! this must be like a supprise :D :D :D very exclusive Gary well done mate and uhm you're always full of suprises ;)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 06.05.05 at 20:49:47
yea he finds thing i never knew existed

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Chosen_One on 06.05.05 at 21:22:00
and he finds things he never heard of ;) like the ventana50...

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 06.05.05 at 22:06:39
The hardest part is a name- As someone once stated, once you know the name of the needle in the haystack it becomes much easier to find.

There are several references to the Quantum3D Rush Ventana on the 'net, but without knowing the name chances are you would not find them or if you did what the reference is.

I do know there is a Ventana Banshee... but have not found a board as of yet.

Research is everything.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 20.05.05 at 13:21:27
Just sharing some pictures of the Graphite unit obtained on Ebay-



Overhead shot of the system showing Micro-ATX board with P3-733, Voodoo 3-3000, 128MB of ram and D-Link network card.



Front shot showing all the panel connections, if you notice there is no power switch! Typical arcade configuration is that the system powers up when the cord is plugged in, I have the system configured in the bios to power up when plugged in or the keyboard is touched.



Yes, I do go all out setting the system up, a customized Win98SE bootup screen =)



And a custom desktop too.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 20.05.05 at 13:48:45
very nice pictures gary,

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by VDX on 21.05.05 at 00:19:49
nice job gary, is that a standard v3 in there or a q3d v3?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 21.05.05 at 00:25:30
well yes that is a Voodoo3 3000 AGP but without the TV-Out ;)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 21.05.05 at 01:25:05

wrote on 21.05.05 at 00:19:49:
nice job gary, is that a standard v3 in there or a q3d v3?


That is a $64 dollar question.

Well it is a V3-3000 but has no TV-Out, the bios states 1.0.01 SD which is a normal bios but the card runs VERY cool. While running a Quake3 demo loop the card peaked at 109F which is very low for V3 at 166 mhz.

The card might be a sample with a thicker PCB, hence the lower core temp. The seller indicated the unit was a test box for the first Artic Thunder machines which is certainly possible considering the serial number ends with 0001.

A friend at Quantum3D is looking into the serial number for me.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by VDX on 21.05.05 at 05:35:36
Omg Gary, you got the vx model right, lol 8 video card options, from that file it seems you got the best model optons wise, and if you just coulda had a power outage that day lol ::)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 21.05.05 at 13:31:36

wrote on 21.05.05 at 05:35:36:
if you just coulda had a power outage that day lol ::)


Server class power conditioner & battery backup with extra batteries wired in for full four hours of emergency time.

I live by Murphys law and do everything possible within reason to avoid him kicking me in the shins.

Actually there were other options that might have been desirable (a 5500 would have been very cool and how about rackmount ears?) but I was really looking for one in Arctic Thunder configuration and that's what was found so I'm very happy.

Everytime you see an Arctic Thunder game just think one of these units is tucked in the guts. As the machines get older, beat up and start to come out of service some should be showing up on Ebay.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by paulpsomiadis on 21.05.05 at 16:39:04

Quote:
The card might be a sample with a thicker PCB, hence the lower core temp. The seller indicated the unit was a test box for the first Artic Thunder machines which is certainly possible considering the serial number ends with 00001.

A friend at Quantum3D is looking into the serial number for me.


Whoa, whoa and even more WHOA! :o

Kudos Gary! 8)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 26.05.05 at 13:26:48
Some stuff that has come in the last few weeks-



Floppies with new logo package, business cards & matches. Might sell off the matches in blocks of 4 or 5, I don't need a box of them.



Very cool 3500 T-shirt, I'm not much in the shirts but design is cool and price was right.



3dfx penknife, new.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 26.05.05 at 13:47:23

wrote on 21.05.05 at 16:39:04:
Whoa, whoa and even more WHOA! :o




Serianl number of the unit I own.



Midway decal on production unit which mine doesn't have.



Comparision of the production unit vs. the unit I have.

Notice the production unit has black painted plate around upper connectors and ATX plate is typical polished unit while the one I have they are both natural steel.

The upper connector runs to the secondary IDE channel, I suspect it's for loading the game and upgrades. Plug in external CD-ROM and away you go. The lower connector is a Midway part and interfaces with cabinet wiring.

Also notice that the production box uses a regular V3-3000 with TV and the box I have is equipped with a V3-3000 with no TV, dated 19-1999.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by BFG3dfx on 26.05.05 at 20:20:30
OMG, Gary your like my own little 3dfx shopping mall, im interested in the logo disc for sure if you happen to unload any, also every time i see that graphite box my mind driff's, just love that thing, really want one of those for my v3 3dfx box  ::)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 26.05.05 at 20:25:29
very nice stuff Gary :) Like your V3 3500 T-Shirt, i got's it's brother the V3 3000 Tee :)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 26.05.05 at 22:08:27

wrote on 26.05.05 at 20:20:30:
OMG, Gary your like my own little 3dfx shopping mall, im interested in the logo disc for sure if you happen to unload any


Yup, I'm going to be selling some as a package with matchbooks.

I don't need a whole pile of the things.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Thandor on 26.05.05 at 22:09:43

wrote on 26.05.05 at 22:08:27:
Yup, I'm going to be selling some as a package with matchbooks.

I don't need a whole pile of the things.
Nice, I really like those floppy's  ;)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 27.05.05 at 03:45:24
The floppies are probably a keeper but those matches are cool 8)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 27.05.05 at 05:30:16
Updated-

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/v3.htm
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/q3d_arcade.htm
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/q3d_obsidian.htm
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/q3d_other.htm
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/q3d_prototypes.htm
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/pro_rush.htm
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/pro_v3.htm
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/pro_vsa.htm
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/pro_daytona.htm

Added, but not complete.

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/q3d_graphite.htm

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by BFG3dfx on 27.05.05 at 07:26:29
lol, comming soon, you stinker :P

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 27.05.05 at 12:26:32
You are looking at several hours of work from yesterday, I was getting somewhat blurry towards the end.  :P

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 27.05.05 at 19:17:32
Gary, you still have a couple of "No's" on your Obsidian chart as to what you own. I beleive you own the last 2 now, 100-4440 and the 100-4440V?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by BFG3dfx on 27.05.05 at 20:07:35
You are looking at several hours of work from yesterday, I was getting somewhat blurry towards the end.  

lol, ive been all over your site since you got that box waiting for some info and photo's and i saw that link i was there in a flash, i was clicking all over that graphite desktop trying to get something to happen, i tell you for some reason i just love that graphite box, i just cant get enough of it, im trying to sit and wait(pacing back and forth)  ::)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 27.05.05 at 20:08:53
Fixed, along with something tuned up on the trivia page.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by janskjaer on 01.06.05 at 17:26:27

wrote on 26.04.05 at 17:14:10:
is there a way to get those unique dual Head drivers? and if so could a voodooMAC 5500 also use the dual Head Function with a PC bios?



wrote on 26.04.05 at 17:40:28:
1) I doubt it.

2) I have no idea, it would depend on the bios, the card and the drivers.

I don't have not enough info even to speculate.


It's been some time since this discussion but I have only found it.

Is there no function that was built in order to support a dual display on the Voodoo5 MAC?

If not, was the dual head layout just to give the user more flexibility on what monitor they could use with the card?  ???

Could the card be made to support dual display?  e.g. third party software?  I suspect any modification to the BIOS to enable this feature would be fraught with difficulty.  I aint too good with low-level languages.  :)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 01.06.05 at 19:03:32

wrote on 01.06.05 at 17:26:27:
Is there no function that was built in order to support a dual display on the Voodoo5 MAC?


1) Mac OS 9 that is on my machine supports dual display as I have run two monitors at a time using a 3dfx card and the on-board video.

2) I have no idea if dual display will work just off the 5500 PCI as I do not own the proper LCD with required connector.



Quote:
Could the card be made to support dual display?  e.g. third party software?


The Mac 5500 PCI in a PC? I have no idea, I suspect some bios & software work would be required.

The souce of my 5500 dual head AGP was clear that unique drivers were very much required for use as dual head, at least in a PC.


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 04.06.05 at 18:34:22
Graphite page is up.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 05.06.05 at 16:50:51
Nice go'n on the Graphite system , I suppose that is the last Quantum 3D sys you were look'n for right?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 06.06.05 at 21:17:08
Wow! That's a lot cheaper than I thought it would be. Dang Mercury System was around $20,000.00


Quote:
Graphite is shipping to customers now. OEM prices range from $500 to $1,500, depending on volume and configurations.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 06.06.05 at 22:58:06

wrote on 06.06.05 at 21:17:08:
Wow! That's a lot cheaper than I thought it would be. Dang Mercury System was around $20,000.00


Not really apples and oranges though- An entry level Graphite would have been Celeron 400-533 mhz CPU with 64 MB and onboard sound.

A fairly cheap system compared to a Mercury with Intel server class motherboard, dual CPU's, ECC ram, burly power supply, etc..

Even a top of the line Graphite would have been fairly low buck (P3-800 with 512MB and V5-5500) considering the cost of the micro-ATX motherboard, power supply and "off the shelf" graphic options.

Graphite was aimed more at the arcade markets then Open GVS or mil-sim.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 11.06.05 at 16:33:20
New "gear" page is up on my site, new format which I think most people will enjoy.

All the items I have are now listed (only a handful were before) and everything is thumbnailed for faster loading.


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 11.06.05 at 22:18:14
I hope you can set aside a book of matches for me :)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 15.06.05 at 20:41:49
The "borg king" strikes again.




Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by TM30 on 15.06.05 at 23:06:39
damnit... where do ya get all these cards from... this is crazy!

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 16.06.05 at 02:41:33

wrote on 15.06.05 at 23:06:39:
damnit... where do ya get all these cards from...


I'm relentless and leave no stone unturned.

I was going to say that I found them on ebay for $50 but figured that would be just cruel.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 16.06.05 at 04:41:54
Aw that is mean.

I know your only joking.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 16.06.05 at 14:20:15

wrote on 16.06.05 at 04:41:54:
Aw that is mean.


It would be mean if I claimed I found them on Ebay for $50, but I didn't.

Lot's of following up and chasing leads turned up these two.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by paulpsomiadis on 16.06.05 at 19:45:57
Umm...WHOA! :o

Just for the uninitiated (and for me cos' I'm feelin' lazy) what are these cards again? ???

(Yeah, I know I should know better...but I lost track of the stuff Gary has!) :P ::)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Eye-Q on 16.06.05 at 20:06:22
The top one is a V5 5500 PCI "not for resale"-tagged and the bottom one is a V5 5000 AGP4x, also "not for resale"-tagged because the 5000 never did it to production-status.

P.S.: I won't say anything to that because it wouldn't be appropriate for this insanity. ;)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by TM30 on 16.06.05 at 20:22:45
yeah insane... the right words

i think gary has many contacts to ex 3dfx employee and they will send them the cards almost as a gift... i do not think that he pays much for his cards

(gary you can leave this without a comment...)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 16.06.05 at 20:55:59

wrote on 16.06.05 at 20:22:45:
i think gary has many contacts to ex 3dfx employee and they will send them the cards almost as a gift... i do not think that he pays much for his cards


Too funny- I either have to much money to spend on 3dfx stuff or I get it for just about free.

I wish some people would make up their minds.

Perhaps in the future I should be more secretive like other collectors.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by FalconFly on 16.06.05 at 21:14:21
*g*

I don't even want to know how much cash you already spent on these items.

It's for sure in far higher regions than even I spent for my stuff *cough*

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 17.06.05 at 03:16:12
I know that Gary has paid quite a bit for some of his cards. But I think as his collection has grown, and he started trading, He has done better on his deals.

I found out the hard way, you don't want to find youself bidding against him on ebay. It can get very expensive.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 17.06.05 at 05:24:24
Good thing I don't have any more spare car parts to sell for bidding funds eh?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 17.06.05 at 06:05:11
Just came from your web page, was viewing the Proto-Types VSA-100. Man I have to say, that 6K with the special heatsink/fan setup must be your crown jewel :o

If not, I'd sure like to know what item in your massive collection you consider to be the crown jewel.



A snip from your page (I hope you don't mind)  :-/


Quote:
Prototype fan & heatsink combo shown installed on reworked on 3700- I'm told that this is the very first time one of these heatsink was ever installed on a V5-6000. There was a handful of evaluation units made and none were ever mounted on a board till now. As a bonus, the "3700" board that this combo is mounted on is the "test board" used by Hank Semenec (ex-3dfx engineer) to develop the "PCI rework." The PCI rework allows the V6K to achieve full speed stable operation in all anti-aliasing modes. The term PCI in this case refers to the boards internal bus that the VSA-100 chips pass data back and forth.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 17.06.05 at 12:03:01

wrote on 17.06.05 at 06:05:11:
crown jewel


It would be a toss up between the that V6K and Mercury.

The "3900" V6K and the Voodoo 3 with LCD support get honorable mention though.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by BFG3dfx on 17.06.05 at 13:19:08
man that v6k w/heatsink is so cool i'd give it the #1 spot but i'd have that graphite box as second, a micro atx box frm q3d jesus what else could you ask for?.....................i got it, put that v6k in the graphite box with a different micro atx mobo of course ;)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 17.06.05 at 13:40:12
Ahh, but there is something so majestic about 4 200SBi running in unison that is alluring.

Loud too ;-)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 17.06.05 at 15:49:17
not forgetting the V 5 5000 AGP and PCI cards

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by TM30 on 17.06.05 at 20:52:10
5000 PCI... *crying*   :-[ :-/

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 18.06.05 at 00:45:43
Ouch! Edmund, you struck a nerve :-X

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 18.06.05 at 02:56:57

Quote:
toss up between the that V6K and Mercury



Have you made any progress on the AAlchemy 8164 System? Last check, I saw you had the power distribution card.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 18.06.05 at 05:59:39
hey... sorry about that yea..
i figured I should include those cards coz they are super rare

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 18.06.05 at 15:37:41


Oddly enough more and more of the AGP boards are turning up, the PCI boards are more scarce.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by TM30 on 19.06.05 at 12:59:47
where did  you get this card from  ::)

no gary, i'm just joking... i'm not thinking this  ;)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 19.06.05 at 14:55:36

wrote on 19.06.05 at 12:59:47:
no gary, i'm just joking... i'm not thinking this


You are thinking it, stated as such several times and just stated it again (joke or not)

Fair warned- blanket unfounded remarks about other collectors stealing your purchase from the seller will not make you any friends and is insulting.

The seller is stalling, once 90 days passes feedback can't be left.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 19.06.05 at 15:59:14
cool it down gary,

we're all united with 3dfx.
as much as rivalry for rare cards are there,

i also understand your Point of View.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 19.06.05 at 16:20:55
I'm stating the obvious.


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 19.06.05 at 17:18:48
sometimes online forums can really bring things to a boling point especially when no real emotions are involved.
in anycase.

not worth the negative interpretation  ;)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by TM30 on 19.06.05 at 20:29:52
i'll ask the seller... now he can say it to me if the card went to someone other... cause its ridiciulous that the will refund me so quickly...

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 20.06.05 at 05:37:53
it takes sometime for any sort of refund,
especially when he has sent the item
I myself would be reluctant to send a refund coz it is a lose lose for me.
losing the item and losing the money.
a waste of time and effort too

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 21.06.05 at 03:03:55


Sigma Voodoo 3-2000 and 3000.

The 2000 board has 7ns ram, the 3000 has 5ns ram.


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 21.06.05 at 03:07:01

wrote on 20.06.05 at 05:37:53:
it takes sometime for any sort of refund,
especially when he has sent the item
I myself would be reluctant to send a refund coz it is a lose lose for me.
losing the item and losing the money.
a waste of time and effort too



Now I could be losing something in the translation but it sound to me like TM30 is suspicious because the seller was too quick to offer a refund.


Quote:
cause its ridiciulous that the will refund me so quickly...




Regardless, we are getting off topic here as this is Gary's thread ;)



Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gamma742 on 21.06.05 at 03:12:34

wrote on 21.06.05 at 03:03:55:
Sigma Voodoo 3-2000 and 3000.

The 2000 board has 7ns ram, the 3000 has 5ns ram.



That V3 looks like a good overclocker? Have you attempted it on this one?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 21.06.05 at 05:54:53
i miss cards that are of those size..
these days they are all so BIG

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 21.06.05 at 11:01:25

wrote on 21.06.05 at 03:12:34:
That V3 looks like a good overclocker? Have you attempted it on this one?


No, due to the trouble in obtaining one and rarity I don't wish to. Just happy to have one that works!

It is nice and compact, both cards are 16MB BTW. When I first saw the board I was wondering if it was 8MB.


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Rolo01 on 21.06.05 at 13:15:07
Are those cards common in the south asian market ?
Never heard of Sigma cards...

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 21.06.05 at 15:19:43

wrote on 21.06.05 at 13:15:07:
Are those cards common in the south asian market ?


I have no idea, but I have never seen one before though.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 21.06.05 at 16:58:34
south asia like India?

or do u mean south east asia ?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by BFG3dfx on 21.06.05 at 19:20:51
very nice  :)

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Rolo01 on 21.06.05 at 19:25:42
Edmundo,
sorry, you are right, I meant south east asian like Korea or something...

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 22.06.05 at 01:20:18
These cards were from mainland China.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 22.06.05 at 07:15:57

wrote on 21.06.05 at 19:25:42:
Edmundo,
sorry, you are right, I meant south east asian like Korea or something...



oh you mean the far East. okay..
as I know South East Asia like Malaysia have very limited quantity of voodoos, Perhaps Singapore has better variety but I have not been there for over 1 and a half decade.

should there be, they take the STB ones and creative manufacturers

mostly from taiwanese manufacturers.

but yeah China seems to have alot of unheard brands

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 23.06.05 at 21:45:29
gear page, updated.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 24.06.05 at 00:37:18
well My favourite would be a Voodoo5 5000 AGP 32MB, just because it has a very spacey layout and that makes it look very cool, on which nice for show and for Red Alert 2 that card would be fine.

the favourite misc item would be your Velocity Pen:


it says
we're not playing games anymore

LOL hahaha really cool.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 24.06.05 at 06:15:27
Yeah I want the AGP version too

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Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 24.06.05 at 11:57:03

wrote on 24.06.05 at 06:15:27:
Yeah I want the AGP version too

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Join the club dude ;)

Title: Last boxed retail pieces.
Post by gdonovan on 29.06.05 at 20:00:15




The retail part of my collection is now complete with the addition of a new boxed GA-630 and a boxed Orchid Voodoo II.

Just a few items left to obtain and the collection is complete.

I'll be busy catching up, I was out of town for a few days.


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 29.06.05 at 20:40:37
Very nice Gary :) good to see you back again, i got a little worried :)
Nice to see your collection nearing it's completion, what are you gonna do after collection the cards give them all a nametag, hehe just kidding there, go futheron with the dodge cars and minivans or continue with other 3dfx products?

Title: Re: Last boxed retail pieces.
Post by Gemail on 29.06.05 at 20:42:52

wrote on 29.06.05 at 20:00:15:
The retail part of my collection is now complete with the addition of a new boxed GA-630 and a boxed Orchid Voodoo II.
Just a few items left to obtain and the collection is complete.
I'll be busy catching up, I was out of town for a few days.

Outstanding!
You Gary truly are the one and only Borg King !
But I thinck your retail collection can't be complete without the infamous Velocity 200 boxed; am I right?
I hope someday sommeone will find it. Untill then, good luck to you all 3DFX collectors!

Title: Re: Last boxed retail pieces.
Post by gdonovan on 29.06.05 at 22:17:22

wrote on 29.06.05 at 20:42:52:
But I thinck your retail collection can't be complete without the infamous Velocity 200 boxed; am I right?


Unless someone can prove otherwise there were no Velocity 200's sold as production cards so it's a non-issue.

I have spent hours looking at old sites via www.webarchive.org and can't find a single retail outlet who claimed to have one for sale and all the 3dfx people I have contacted claim none were ever sold.


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 29.06.05 at 22:21:29

wrote on 29.06.05 at 20:40:37:
Nice to see your collection nearing it's completion, what are you gonna do after collection the cards give them all a nametag, hehe just kidding there, go futheron with the dodge cars and minivans or continue with other 3dfx products?


Plenty to do with the collection plus polish the site and add features.

I am going to be working on the race car in the near future plus a new job will keep me more then busy enough.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 30.06.05 at 01:49:25
a race car cool :D gonan give it a 3dfx special paint :) hehe, nah that's cool, a Dodge Daytona class car?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 30.06.05 at 01:58:22


Time to work on the beast.

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 30.06.05 at 02:01:09
a Dodge Plymouth, wow that's something you don't see everyday Gary, very nice :D is it a model from 1987?

Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by gdonovan on 30.06.05 at 02:40:44
Plymouth Reliant actually, it use to run 10.4 @ 131 mph in the quarter mile and generate 443 hp to the wheels at 30 psi (3 bar) of boost.

I'm planning on reducing the car weight by 300+ pounds and making another 100-150+ hp and running 8's at 150+ mph.


Title: Re: Luck of the Irish?
Post by edmundoab on 30.06.05 at 03:57:28
your website is definately a very good reference for alot of people including myself.

very well done, and I hope you have a good complete set of everything.


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