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Reply #165 - 02.03.07 at 16:44:06
 
here finally some pics of a CrossFire setup of 2 ATi X2900 XTX cards used as 2 Stream Processors! just look at the rendering power, higher than a single Terraflop!
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These shots show how a crossfire setup can be used as a Dual Stream Processor setup, this setup enables the cards to work as CPU's for rendering heavy stuff, a single R600 has the same rendering power as up to 30 of the fsatest Workstation CPU, as where as a R580+ has only half of that rendering power, up to 15 times the render power of the fastest workstation CPU.

Combine that with 2 Opteron K8L Quad CPU's then you have a very powerfull rendering machine. 8)

"Also many have been worried about the size of the new R600 video cards. ATI is stating that 345mm / 13.6" will be the required space to fit the cards in a case. (Yes, the retail version will be somewhat shorter, or at least that is what is told to us even though we have yet to see one.) This figure is the card's 335mm physical length plus 10mm to properly install the card. A GeForce 8800 GTX is just under 11 inches longs while the 4 GPU 3dfx Voodoo 5 6000 comes in at 11.75 inches. Certainly if you have an R600, it looks like you will be able to claim having the longest in the room…."

heh well my Voodoo 5 6000 AGP 128MB Rev.A 3700 with bracket is 34.5CM long as well with the bracket, the PCB of that R600 is actually no longer than that of a Voodoo 5 5000 AGP or X1950 XTX.

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Re: ATi Discussions & ATi Troubleshooting
Reply #166 - 02.03.07 at 23:26:37
 
I'd say this 1.018 Teraflops are entirely synthetic (Quick & Dirty estimate by the Brooktree Compiler)

If 10% of that is uable for general Purpose (realistic), that'd be still an okay number Wink
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Reply #167 - 04.03.07 at 22:50:40
 
well there is also good news for us Mobile Gamers Smiley
http://www.techpowerup.com/?26673

with the ATi Lasso you can simply use the latest ATi GFX cards for your laptop by connecting them externally to the Laptop Smiley

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The card featured in that photo is an Ati Radeon X850 XT class card, which is placed in a very early prototype of the ATi Lasso convertor card.

The idea is very well thought, this way a single as multi ATi VPU setup of say 2 X2900 XTX cards is possible!

The only thing is how would you use your default Laptop TFT panel on that external card?
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Reply #168 - 05.03.07 at 02:28:06
 
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Take laptop... Smiley

Take hacksaw... Wink

Cut out screen... Cheesy

Wire-up screen to external ATI card... Grin

...problem solved! 8)

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ROFL! Grin Grin
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Re: ATi Discussions & ATi Troubleshooting
Reply #169 - 08.03.07 at 21:50:56
 
Is it true that the latest delay was made because ati wanted to release X2900s' and x2600s' at the same time?

I hope so.. I can't wait get my hands on X2600 Tongue

wikipedia says:
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X2600 XT  RV630      65 nm      650/1600 128-bit      64 shaders 256 MB GDDR3 Priced at $199
X2600 PRO      RV630      65 nm      550/1400 128-bit      64 shaders 256 MB GDDR3 Priced at $149 Smiley


it seems to be that is best that I bough pro version and oc to xt  Grin
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Reply #170 - 14.03.07 at 19:40:42
 
Well I have been testing the Command & Conquer3 demo on my X1900 XTX + X1950 XTX CrossFire Edition CrossFire setup at maxx details @ reso 1440x 900 x32 FSAA x14, AF x16HQ, Adaptive AA as HDR at max settings, so here the results:


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I must say that Direcx9.0c still looks very demanding!Shocked Just look at all that Motion Blur! Shocked
Thanx to 3dfx we have that technology in our modern graphics accelerators of today. 8)

The Crossfire setup handles this game in these insane settings without a problem and quite fluid gameplay as well, not bad for 2 R580 based cards, since that the R580 was designed back in Q4 2005, my X1900 XTX is a Rev.B 0552, it's from week 52 year 2005 but it was released Q1 2006.

Okay I must admit that the X1950 XTX CrossFire Edition has a R580+ GPU only difference is the 256Bit GDDR4, Bios chip as Cooler, for the rest it's very identical it's a Rev.B 0629 year 2006 week 29 which was released begin Q3 2006

The X1950 XTX as X1950 XTX CFE were designed to test the GDDR4 memory type with the 512Bit Ringbus memory controller of the R580 VPU, and this test kinda proved it's great success.

The X1950 XTX CFE combined with the X1900 XTX really makes a very powerfull 3D render unit, delivering a max memory bandwidth of 115,4 GB per sec, there by beating a single GeForce 8800 GTX, which only does 84,6 GB per sec max.

The more memory bandwidth the more fps and better gameplay with max FSAA +Adaptive AA + AFHQ + HDR settings at high reso's as what I kinda found out by using this combination in C&C3 as Flight Simulator X and that's kinda future proof for an old architechture like that of the R580.

I wonder how futureproof the R600 will be, since a single X2900 XTX will do 153,4 GB per sec while a single X2900 XT will deliver 143.2 GB per sec, also not too shabby.

My next step is a crossfire setup of 2 X2900 XTX cards Smiley but that will be later this year Wink
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Re: ATi Discussions & ATi Troubleshooting
Reply #171 - 15.03.07 at 01:14:08
 
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Well I have been testing the Command & Conquer3 demo on my X1900 XTX + X1950 XTX CrossFire Edition CrossFire setup at maxx details @ reso 1440x 900 x32 FSAA x14, AF x16HQ, Adaptive AA as HDR at max settings,
I must say that Direcx9.0c still looks very demanding!Shocked Just look at all that Motion Blur! Shocked

I must admit, that there seems to be a little bit too much motion blur for my taste. It look's like that terain has no textures, but only a smudged imitation of computer art. I dare to say that even the grandfather-game C&C 1 had better terain. I hope that gameplay is better then the graphics; since I'we grown up with C&C strategies...
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Reply #172 - 15.03.07 at 02:49:57
 
well I kinda forgot the MipMap settings hahah no wonder why it was so blurry!

so now it looks like this with max Mip mapping image quallity and yes it looks alot better espeacially the details and so on.
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click to enlarge Smiley

Still Red Alert2 + Yuri's Revenge is my big favour of all C&C's though C&C3 TW is the best 3D C&C ever Wink
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Reply #173 - 16.03.07 at 00:49:17
 
Well got some nice news now Smiley

here some pics from the RV610 Budget range aka X2300 series
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RV630 midrange card aka X2600 series:
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R630XT aka X2600 XT
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here the source!
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/?article_id=571589

In the dutch forum the AMD insider says that that big card is an ATi RV630 XT card.

Well here's more, got this via the dutch ATi resource forum Smiley

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1334851342&postcount=3637

I have uploaded the pics elsewhere, just incase they get removed Wink Read from left to right.
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heh as real as it gets my friends Smiley

And here some benchmark results from the R630XT aka X2600XT! w00t!
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4795

"As our sources revealed that RV630XT will score over 12K in 3DMark05 which is in fact faster than a X1900 XTX card."

also something interesting Smiley
http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/127
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Reply #174 - 17.03.07 at 18:18:46
 
The fist notebok is ready from MSI btw Smiley
ut has a RV630M in it orsay ATi Radeon X2600 XT M with an AMD Turion64 X2 kind of a logic setup since the AMD + ATi Co-Op.
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here some new shots of the X2900 XTX Retail card from VR-Zone Cheesy
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here the source:
http://resources.vr-zone.com/newspics/Mar0...R600-vrzone.jpg

The Good news is that the X2900 XT PCI-E 512MB GDDR3 will be about 500 euro's when it hit's the shelves, which is good news for the lads that are going for that card type Smiley
Got this from the dutch ATi news & Discussion topic @ Gathering Of Tweakers.net which was posted by user CJ
http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1203478/3

On the CeBiT AMD showed a new Physics demo this time the physics demo was developed togeather with Havok which took usage of the first HavokFX engine which ran on an X1900 XTX, the first game that is going to utilize this technology is called Hellgate: London, which will be also the first DX10 game to launch which supports HavokFX.

while rendering the physics demo on a CPU it only got 3 to 13 fps when the X1900 XTX was used as astream processor with HavokFX the FPS were greatly increased by 40 to 100fps!
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So thanx to this the R600 will be on time for the latest DX10 titles where it was actually designed for, so the delay isn't that bad as it seemed to be in the first place Wink
here's the source:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/?article_id=571782
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Re: ATi Discussions & ATi Troubleshooting
Reply #175 - 17.03.07 at 19:55:55
 
..it seems like ati really means businness-even for agp users:

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GECUBE DEMOSTRATED  the fastest AGP board to date, here in Hanover - the nicelt labelled GC-HX195XTGA3-D3.

This board is based on a fully-fledged R580+ GPU, marrketed as the Radeon X1950XT. However, the GPU clock has been changed from default 625MHz to 648MHz - the default clock of the X1950XTX. ATI Overdrive is supported, and this option in the Catalyst driver will increase clock all the way to 675MHz. Memory is not 512MB GDDR4, which is what the X1950XTX has - but rather 256MB of GDDR3 memory. µ Both product manager and PR rep told us the firm "will not abandon AGP users".

We asked about the continuing contraction of the AGP market, but were told that the demand for AGP is still very strong. In fact, AGP accounts for the lion's share of some markets.

So for those users that want a AGP perfromance part this company will offer DirectX 10 boards based on RV610 and RV630. In fact, there will even be an overclocked version of the RV630XT, which could even end up cooled by a combined heat-pipe peltier cooler.

they even plan dx10 agp parts!


http://www.theinq.com/default.aspx?article=38288
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Reply #176 - 17.03.07 at 20:21:35
 
yeaps they sure do read that in the dutch ATi forums as well Smiley

that GeCube card is simply an OC'ed X1950XT which runs core/mem @ 648Mhz / 1800 Mhz DDR [900Mhz GDDR3 Physical]

the real X1950 XTX runs faster Smiley core/mem 650Mhz / 2000 Mhz DDR [1000Mhz GDDR4 Physical]

it\s that GDDR3 is maxed out @ 900 Mhz Physical, some samples may be able to run faster but not all so therefore it runs 900Mhz physical instead of 1000 Mhz physical Smiley

But yeah it's great to hear that AMD.ATi is willing to make AGP versions of their X2.xx series probably the X2600XT  AGP [RV630XT] as the X2800XT AGP [RV670XT] shall be made in AGP flavours for the high end gamer, where as the X2900 XL/ XT/ XTX series [R600] will only be made for the PCI-Express enthousiasts.


The main advantage of ATi is that they think of every gamers needs as for PCI-Express as AGP where as nVidia does not LoL Grin
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Reply #177 - 18.03.07 at 00:26:48
 
Obi, AMD (DAAMIT) is not going to use XT/XTX suffix any more; it's decided. Only 'pro' and something similar.

Anyway, I wanted to ask if any of you soft-modded your ATI cards in it's FireGL sister? I just modded mobility radeon 9600 into mobility FireGL T2 and I'm waiting for specview to download so that I may test OpenGL performance... So far - it seems that it works...

A driver change and you get a card that costs a few hundred (or thousands) bucks more  Smiley
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Reply #178 - 18.03.07 at 12:58:45
 
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Obi, AMD (DAAMIT) is not going to use XT/XTX suffix any more; it's decided. Only 'pro' and something similar.

Anyway, I wanted to ask if any of you soft-modded your ATI cards in it's FireGL sister? I just modded mobility radeon 9600 into mobility FireGL T2 and I'm waiting for specview to download so that I may test OpenGL performance... So far - it seems that it works...

A driver change and you get a card that costs a few hundred (or thousands) bucks more  Smiley



what? where did you get info from ? I see no sources?

Of course ATi is making the XT as XTX models Roll Eyes
the X2900 XT will launch en of March and the X2900 XTX will launch end of April Wink I got this from a dutch AMD.ATi insider who has connections with ATi partnerships and also works on ATi drivers.

his info is 9 of the 10 times realistic so better believe it, there is a X2900 XT as X2900 XTX comming it;s also very obvious:

http://www.xfastest.com/viewthread.php?tid=1471

over there they have some test results of a X2900 XTX hmm and you said there was no XTX comming, Now I find that kind of odd don't you .. Roll Eyes

here some nice news from the inquierer
http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=38300

The launch of the R600 is gonna be the biggest in GPU history heh I adore that !!! 8)
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Reply #179 - 18.03.07 at 13:06:48
 
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what? where did you get info from ? I see no sources?

Sorry, I forgot: Fuad Abazovic, ex-Inquirer
http://www.itx.ba/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=193&Itemid=1
You are going to need google translator to translate from serbo/croatian/bosnian to english or dutch.
Nobody says that R600 is not a good card, nor do somebody claims that there is not going to be a top, flagship model of new R600. Fuad just said that DAAMIT is not going to use that nomenclature any more - the difference will only be in the amount of memory on the card (amd maybe a slight change of clocks).

and who is Fuad? The best ex-news writer for the Inquirer
http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=26955 - loved by ATI
http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=37863 - adored by Inq
http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=37798 - and his fans worldwide

So, I am not sure who that insider of yours is, but this guy is real.
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