Got mad- Pulled the 6600GT from the main box, tossed it in, install the latest NV driver, 5 minutes later I'm watching "Saving Private Ryan"

Can't wait for the GF3 to get here, hope the DVI output is as good as the 6600GT.

With my X800 Agp I have had some problems of artifacts and I have decided to buy a X1950 Pro. Later I've discovered that with Catalyst less recent than 5.7 It was all ok.

P.s.
There are three Gf3 models: Ti200; GF3; Ti500.
No space for Mx series It's sure that Gary have buyed a great card.

*Gainward CardExpert GeForce 3 PowerPack Golden Sample*
http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/gf3-gs.jpg
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gainward-gs.html#sect3

heh been us'n Omega Catalyst's since the 9700 Pro never had probs there, us'n 2K back then & XP Pro from the X800XT PE AGP but yeaps under 98SE they suck deeply since 98SE isn't that reliable as stable, I woluld always prefer 2000 Pro/XP Pro above everything, just much more reliable..

Oh well it all depeds on what you need and what your preferences are If you run very old programs very few need 98SE but miost can run under XP Pro under 98SE compabillity mode or under 2000 Pro/XP Pro under Dos Box

I find the Forcewhere of the geforces suck deeply actually, NV just can't make stable as good drivers that give good image quallity as Omega/ATi.AMD can that's under 2K as XP only

NV & 3dfx were once king at mak'n drivers for Linux & Win9.xx, as today NV makes solid drivers for Linux as ATI.AMD has improved though still lot's of fixes to go.

Here a list of the many major problesm with NV drivers hehe
http://www.google.nl/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&...

Sh*t on both sides man.

Still prefer 3dfx cards since they work perfectly in ANY OS

But if you're a Linux man just use a Voodoo3/4/5 based card or a GeForce 3,4, FX, 6, 7 through 8 series they should do well enough, the best forcewhere drive I have used for 2K + XP was 84.21 WHQL, the sucked big time, their ForceWare 90.xx series layout was worse than the 80.xx ones so overdone :')

What I reckon is that your system is instable with ATi cards, I had similar things with my EPoX EP-8K5A2+ motherboard while playing RedAlert2 on the 5500 as ATi X800 XT PE  as the GeForce4 Ti 4600 Ultra, all three had troubles with Red Alert2, while playing it  it crashed after playing for not even 3 muinutes.

all other games ran fine, now this is weird. on the ASUS A7R333-R Rev.1.02 with all three cards, ASUS A8R32MVP Deluxe with CrossFire setup as 5500 PCI no probs as Dell Inspiron 9100 xTreme with M18 MR 9800 also no probs.

so my problem was amotherboard deciding me what to run and what not, while the 8K3A+ had no troubles the 8K5A2+ did since I had 2 of these one was new the other was second hand and both had the same troubles.

for the 6000 these are good boards for 3dfx games no troubles there, it's that Red Alert2 is a main game still being played here so everysystem has to quillify with that game hehe

I think it's the motherboard, a similar factor I had with the EP-8K5A2+

Okay it had a game running issue with Red Alert2 not running propperly as while getting 6000 as 5500 lockups on the 8K5A2+ same went for the X800XT PE as the Ti4600 Ultra.

While the EP-8K3A+ ran every application as every card ran fine.

Shuttles are known to run instable with ATi cards as the older models do , most have GeForce based cards, which might explain your problem.

I can understand your stress when something doesn't work the way you want it too, I know it' can get to major stressed levels, but then again I'd say relax and do something else for a change then give it another shot.

Getting mad at things that don't want to work doesn't make it get better, it only confuses a stresses up the problem thereby not resolving it.

I'd say take a beer or 2, 3 .. 4 heh or a crate? or so? haha nah just kidd'n there

If it doesn't work with ATi's then it's simple it just doesn't   just use that 6600GT you have right? and go on with that nothing wrong with it's OpenGL as 2D, it does catch on pretty well as a mid end card these days.

What it also could be is that your ATi card has a defection, defect ram, defect parts things liek that though hard to eblieve since I have seen more defect GeForces than defect ATi cards.. but doesn't mean it isn't possible ofcourse !
@ x-3dfx most of our people have ATi cards as primay VGA's and really we come accross the most crazy setups and they do work greatly as many of our people ahve GeForce 8 series setups also, and really modern ATi & nVidia cards are about the same qua drivers up till now and I'm tlaking about the X1K series as X*.xx seris as teh GeForce 6,7 and 8 series.

For me you need to find the proper drivers for your 9800 Pro because if you choose the right relase surely you solve the problem.
I prefere Ati afterall (I have had problem with x800 and x1950 Pro) but I also have some Nvidia board. In my experience I have learned to install only the drivers in both case. If you need an interface to set the monitors you can install the old control panel

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Tried that first- The problem is the max resolution was limited to 720 x 480 with no other options available in the Windows graphics options tab.

The LCD is plug in play too which makes it even more irratating.

Bottom line- The NV drivers worked perfect out of the box first shot with a minimum of intrusion, the ATI drivers were hell.

I'm glad my X850 gives me no problems in the gaming box. I'd perfer to own ATI for obvious reasons but see no reason to keep throwing money at a company who can't write drivers worth a damn.

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You clearly have not read a thing I posted have you?