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Repairing V5 6000 Partially Death/Damaged Card
08.06.12 at 14:15:22

Hello,

The unique thing I have clear is that the first vsa-100 is working!
For such reason the card works ok in single chip, it means master chip is ok!
I would bet there are some problem in chip 2 or 3 or 4, but I am not 3Dfx engineer!

When some chip is dead then the card show lines in the monitor because card can't render...

Repairing card now:

Hint chip unsold/resold...

3 new chips vsa-100 are perfect soldered...

Just there is one little problem now.

Smd parts need to be resolded.
For such rework we use a hot air gun. Seems in the proccess some smd parts was unsoldered. They did not see it.
All is perfect, GPUs chips are very well soldered.
The card booted up ok, just I stoped because I dont want to test it until all smd parts are soldered again.

To be continued...

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gwb Junior Member Offline i liek eng samples Posts: 89 Georgia, USA	Re: Repairing V5 6000 Partially Death/Damaged Card Reply #1 - 08.06.12 at 15:18:51 Although I don't care much for your custom cooling setups, I do appreciate (and I'm sure others do as well) you spending the time and money to fix these legendary cards.
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trevormacro God Member Offline Voodoo5k6 Gold SE, Legend & Mystical Edition Posts: 622 Gender:	Re: Repairing V5 6000 Partially Death/Damaged Card Reply #2 - 08.06.12 at 16:26:24 gwb wrote on 08.06.12 at 15:18:51: Although I don't care much for your custom cooling setups, I do appreciate (and I'm sure others do as well) you spending the time and money to fix these legendary cards. Hi gwb, I want to progress. Thank you.
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m14radu God Member Offline Take your chance ! Posts: 555 Timisoara, Romania Gender:	Re: Repairing V5 6000 Partially Death/Damaged Card Reply #3 - 08.06.12 at 20:08:46 The soldering looks great, and professional ! Michael, don't forget that the v5 6000 cards are still prototypes. Mine is working best only in win98se ! I sugest to check first if your card works in win98se, before you change something else
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oldskool Senior Member Offline I Love 3dfx Posts: 398 uk Gender:	Re: Repairing V5 6000 Partially Death/Damaged Card Reply #4 - 09.06.12 at 15:15:48 Best of luck with this one, I hope you succeed.
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paulpsomiadis God Member Offline -=3Dfx still rox!=- Posts: 2011 Newcastle U.K. Gender:	Re: Repairing V5 6000 Partially Death/Damaged Card Reply #5 - 09.06.12 at 18:31:50 Good luck with the repair - hope you manage to rescue another of these legendary cards!
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trevormacro God Member Offline Voodoo5k6 Gold SE, Legend & Mystical Edition Posts: 622 Gender:	Re: Repairing V5 6000 Partially Death/Damaged Card Reply #6 - 10.06.12 at 00:33:30 Hello, Thanks for your support. I tested the card under win98 with same problem. Here is the smd reworks: Card continues with sli broken! I would go to change master vsa-100 and see what happens...
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m14radu God Member Offline Take your chance ! Posts: 555 Timisoara, Romania Gender:	Re: Repairing V5 6000 Partially Death/Damaged Card Reply #7 - 10.06.12 at 07:23:17 can you make a movie with the card behaviour ? i want to see the errors. What driver did you use for win98 ? you should take the original 3dfx release. And please check the card under win98se, not win98.
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Re: Repairing V5 6000 Partially Death/Damaged Card
Reply #8 - 10.06.12 at 11:29:44

Some things I would do:
1) re-flash the bios with a common version for rev 37000 cards
2) down clock all VSA100 to 143MHz or even lower
3) apply the PCI rework
4) change the first VSA100 (you mentioned that already)

Compare the card also to other common rev 3700, maybe there are some differences.

Could you do some ultra highres shots? Not those small pictures here Wink

Keep it up.

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m14radu God Member Offline Take your chance ! Posts: 555 Timisoara, Romania Gender:	Re: Repairing V5 6000 Partially Death/Damaged Card Reply #9 - 10.06.12 at 12:09:07 Please post a close shot from the revison tag too
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Re: Repairing V5 6000 Partially Death/Damaged Card
Reply #10 - 10.06.12 at 17:13:08

m14radu wrote on 10.06.12 at 07:23:17:

can you make a movie with the card behaviour ?
i want to see the errors.

What driver did you use for win98 ? you should take the original 3dfx release.
And please check the card under win98se, not win98.

I only have some screens:

On Windows 98se I use original 3dfx release.
On Windows XP I use SFFT1.9 and Koolsmoky betas drivers.

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Re: Repairing V5 6000 Partially Death/Damaged Card
Reply #11 - 10.06.12 at 17:21:43

Loeschzwerg wrote on 10.06.12 at 11:29:44:

Some things I would do:
1) re-flash the bios with a common version for rev 37000 cards
2) down clock all VSA100 to 143MHz or even lower
3) apply the PCI rework
4) change the first VSA100 (you mentioned that already)

Compare the card also to other common rev 3700, maybe there are some differences.

Could you do some ultra highres shots? Not those small pictures here Wink

Keep it up.

My friend Osckhar do the smd reworks.
A very good friend from Osckhar unsold and resold the Hint chip and VSA.
All tips you said are already done.
All ultra highres shots are in my brinkster website like these 3:

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/579630Voodoo5k6tenth1.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/973208Voodoo5k6tenth9.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/283734Voodoo5k6tenth3.jpg

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Re: Repairing V5 6000 Partially Death/Damaged Card
Reply #12 - 10.06.12 at 18:04:16

trevormacro wrote on 10.06.12 at 17:21:43:

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All tips you said are already done.
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I don't see the PCI rework attached, at least when I look at the picture in your post today at 00:33:30 -> http://www.falconfly.de/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1339157722/6#6

Add 4.7k resistors on R540, R589, R717 and R714. Change R734, R735, R743 and R745 to 0 Ohm.

Everything else does look fine to me, but the pictures on your site are a bit blurry. I hope changing the first VSA100 helps and that there is no damage on the PCB.

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Re: Repairing V5 6000 Partially Death/Damaged Card
Reply #13 - 10.06.12 at 18:29:49

Loeschzwerg wrote on 10.06.12 at 18:04:16:

trevormacro wrote on 10.06.12 at 17:21:43:

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All tips you said are already done.
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I don't see the PCI rework attached, at least when I look at the picture in your post today at 00:33:30 -> http://www.falconfly.de/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1339157722/6#6

Add 4.7k resistors on R540, R589, R717 and R714. Change R734, R735, R743 and R745 to 0 Ohm.

Everything else does look fine to me, but the pictures on your site are a bit blurry. I hope changing the first VSA100 helps and that there is no damage on the PCB.

Pci rework is not the solution. It is used when card lock up in 2/4/8xFsaa (card comes without pci rework. Anyway, it is not the solutuion since this rework is added when cards works ok but with lock up when fsaa is enable).

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Loeschzwerg Senior Member Offline AAlchemy PSU maker :-) Posts: 396 Germany -> Bavaria -> Augsburg Gender:	Re: Repairing V5 6000 Partially Death/Damaged Card Reply #14 - 10.06.12 at 18:43:53 Mainly you are right, the rework was meant to fix the FSAA lookups. It changes the timing so the PCI bridge does have more of it to synchronize the signals. No matter how it changes the timing of the analog SLI itself and this is what's not working on your card right now. So I think it would be a chance
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