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Reply #75 - 31.01.07 at 13:08:24
 
Hey Gary can you explain what problems you were seeing?

But yeah I know the problem too upgrade to another OS  heh back then I was like yeah right it's gonna cost me more cash if I would do that, but It could also be the motherboard you use?

Just a guess there, since that my experience with 2 EPoX 8K5A2+'es were big drama's with later cards combined with older and later OS'es, however with the 8K3A+ simply the best EPoX board evermade in human history, that board was like a rock in every OS that ran on it untill 7 of it's Cappacitors started leaking Lips Sealed

for NT OS'es like Win2K pro & XP Pro I would advise using Omega 6.03 on R9700 to X850 series cards, since that these cards have the DX9.0b spec that driver is perfect for them.

for cards of the X1K series like X1800, X1900 and so on I'd say get Catalyst 6.12 or Omega Catalyst 7.01 based on Cat 7.1 and up Smiley
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Reply #76 - 31.01.07 at 15:11:50
 
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Hey Gary can you explain what problems you were seeing?



What part of "Blue Screen Of Death" is unclear????

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But yeah I know the problem too upgrade to another OS  heh back then I was like yeah right it's gonna cost me more cash if I would do that.



Cash has nothing to do with it- I have legacy applications that WILL NOT run under Win2k or XP.

I do use my computers for more than Internet or Gaming.

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but It could also be the motherboard you use?



Gigabyte with P4 Intel chipset, about as safe as you can get.

I doubt it as I already pointed out it works fine under Win2k or with win9x and a NV board.

You keep ignoring the fact I have no desire to tinker with third party drivers- I made my purchase based on advertised support for Win9x and ATI did not deliver.

I paid ATI for support and would expect an item I paid to work as advertised with a minimum of fuss with the provided drivers OR the revison downloaded from ATI.

This was not the case.

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Reply #77 - 31.01.07 at 16:46:58
 
Um, I'm not going to get into the rest of this discussion but I have a 9600 Pro that would not work with a certain board no matter what OS. Ended up having to update the bios on it because there were known issues specifically with the 9600 series.

Just a suggestion.
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Reply #78 - 31.01.07 at 17:33:59
 
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Um, I'm not going to get into the rest of this discussion but I have a 9600 Pro that would not work with a certain board no matter what OS. Ended up having to update the bios on it because there were known issues specifically with the 9600 series.


The same MB & 9800 works under 2000/XP with no other changes.
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Reply #79 - 31.01.07 at 17:47:14
 
From the sounds of it, you've got a nvidia card in the machine and it's working fine?


Just wondering, if that's the case I'll just let this thread die.  Tongue
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Reply #80 - 31.01.07 at 19:02:33
 

1) ATI 9800 card and W98 = crash

2) ATI 9800 card and Win 2000 = no crash

3) NV card and W98 = no crash

4) NV card and Win 2000 = no crash

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Reply #81 - 31.01.07 at 20:40:15
 
Cool, as long as it works. Thought you were still having problems to the point it wasn't working at all, that's all.

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Reply #82 - 31.01.07 at 22:19:40
 
hmm 98SE isn't one of the best OSes out there, 2000 is far more reliable for most heavy load situations.

anyways a Gigabyte mobo with Intel chipset, uhm Intel I850? I865? I845P? there are so many of them.

an Intel chipset may be the issue since my AthlonXP with ASUS A7V333-R Rev 1.02 + Beta Bios 1017 VIA Apollo KT333 chipset and really it never failed under 98SE, 2KPro & XP Pro with a 9700 pro 9800Pro and X800XT PE AGP.

though Gigabyte like ASUS, ABiT and MSI are good brands overall.

So it might be a problem with your intel chipset and ATi card, which may sound silly and yeah it should work really.

uhm did you flash your mobo with a the latest bios that may help? you can also flash your ATi card with a newer bios that can fix things too Wink

It's so that support for 98SE has stopped for quite some time, so support for that OS isn't important  which also maybe the reason why ATi advises a later OS.

since it functions perfectly under 2K pro  Smiley really XP pro has great advantages , you can run 98SE games as programes unsder 98SE compabillity mode, and if that don't cope there is always DosBox Smiley

but yeah 98SE can run stable when you install it on a stable system, my ASUS A7V333-R ran 98SE with the 9700 Pro and 5500 PCI for 2 years without lockups.

I personally think it's the intel chipset problem with the ATi card under 98SE, just a bad support, could also give gigabyte the blame for bad support under 98SE with ATi cards Wink maybe a newer chipset driver might help, look elsewhere Wink
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Reply #83 - 01.02.07 at 00:32:07
 
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hmm 98SE isn't one of the best OSes out there, 2000 is far more reliable for most heavy load situations.



/gdonovan drums fingers on desk...

I have applications *THAT REQUIRE* Win98.

Not 2000 or XP, just Win98.

Opening a control panel is hardly heavy work.

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So it might be a problem with your intel chipset and ATi card, which may sound silly and yeah it should work really.



Obi do you even bother to read my posts?

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Reply #84 - 01.02.07 at 00:36:43
 
yes I do bother to read them , why do you think I am posting? for the fun? heh, hope you read mine sometimes, sometimes I get that same idea too ya know, no need to get agro so soon Undecided Just help'n out here and figur'n out for another sollution, we Jedi don't give up that fast, we just find another way.

But then again back to the nastyness of your problems Smiley

1. Are there no newer and better applications that could replace the ones you are using, so you could make usage of 2KPro or XP Pro instead?

2. If not then I would say keep the ATi rig for NT based OS'es like 2K Pro and use the NV rig for older OSes if that runs better why not, still strange that your system has symptoms and the systems from FalconFly do not, I think it's the intelchipset which is causing the problem otherwise FalconFly as I should of gotten the same problems Wink

3. What you could do is test the ATi card in one of your KT333 rigs and see what happens there Smiley
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Reply #85 - 01.02.07 at 00:54:48
 
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1. Are there no newer and better applications that could replace the ones you are using, so you could make usage of 2KPro or XP Pro instead?



No.
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Reply #86 - 01.02.07 at 01:02:33
 
hmm have you tested the X850 pro as 9800 Pro in an VIA KT333 based mobo as well under 98SE, because that seems to run perfect here as 2KPro as XP Pro as 98SE.

might be a chipset problem, unless a bios update might fix it , not sure bout that it's worth giving a go, unless you allready gave hat a shot heh Smiley

otherwise use the 6600GT card in the 98SE system and the ATi cards in the NT based rigs, and yes it's strange that the ATi's don't opperate under 98SE on an intel chipset in your situation.

And if you have tested it in the KT333 rigs like I asked before and even that didn't help then I have no idea Gary  Undecided

Anyways for 98SE wouldn't it be wiser to make use of one of your many 3dfx cards since it remains the best OS for 3dfx cards and their image quallity rocks, as for the later model cards, they work faster under 2K and XP since they are mainly optimised for those OS'es.

I just hope you find a way Gary.
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Reply #87 - 01.02.07 at 01:12:57
 
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hmm have you tested the X850 pro as 9800 Pro in an VIA KT333 based mobo as well under 98SE, because that seems to run perfect here as 2KPro as XP Pro as 98SE.


The ATI board(s) are now regulated to my "gaming box" which runs Win2000pro.

No I have not tested the ATI boards on a KT-333 platform since they were not purchased for use on that platform.

An intel 848 chipset motherboard is as "gold standard" as you can get as far as a stable platform.

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might be a chipset problem, unless a bios update might fix it , not sure bout that it's worth giving a go, unless you allready gave hat a shot heh Smiley


Obi- It's a driver problem, the combo works fine under Win2k and also works fine under Win9x with a Nv board.
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Reply #88 - 01.02.07 at 01:16:58
 
hmm oke well the VIA Apollo KT333 has the same Gold standard award for AMD Duron/Athlon/Athlon4/AthlonXP setups, built many of these setups while I still had a Job in the computer store: SilverStar Computer Service which I worked in for about 2 years, before that 9 years @ JOOS' Computers & Componenten Wink

the ASUS A7V333-R and EPoX EP-8K3A+ were the best and most reliable KT333 boards on the planet and also the most advised ones, When I was @ Silverstar we sold like 200 PC's with either one of those mobos with AMD Duron to AthlonXP setups in like 4 mounths it was a record for a small PC store in a village of about 4800 inhabbitants.

anyaways sorry for the offtopic babble there heh

well I'd say use the NV board in that config if that works why not, only if you would like the same performace of the X850 Pro I'd say get a nice 6800GT AGP 256MB.

if your intel chipset is so reliable, why doesn't it work with ATi cards like the VIA KT333 chipset I have for AMD CPU's do ?

An ATi card can't be compared with a GeForce, they totally two different designs.

I used to have this one from XFX Tongue
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Reply #89 - 01.02.07 at 01:44:30
 
Ok, sorry for being so blunt here, I'm home from work and i've had a couple but at this point, with Gary's machine working just with an nvidia card in it at this point, WHO CARES? Gary's got an experience that maybe can't be explained but in the end who cares, the machine works for what he wants it to do and his other machines are working fine so.....  Besides this as kind of gone on more then it needs to. Go play some quake you two and settle it that way.  Tongue 

On a side note, I've downloaded the demo so I'll be next time it's on a weekend. You guys tend to play when I'm at work.
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