Hi,

I'm trying to get an old 3dfx voodoo graphics card (4mb voodoo 1) to work in a modern PC setup. The aim is to play some old favourite glide games like Carmageddon. I have tried in Windows XP, installing the third-party voodoo graphics drivers and none of my games seem to recognise the voodoo. They just try to go full screen (or dont even get that far) and crash to desk-top. I'm thinking this is because Windows XP doesn't let the 3dfx card take over. Carmageddon gives me a error message:  "run-time library initialization error: DLL load aborted".
So i have tried these games in DOS but that seems to work even less. As soon as i start Carmageddon it doesn't even come up with DOS4GW (in windows xp it does). I think maybe this is a problem with DOS and memory.
I have also tried some 3dfx test programs under Windows XP and they just come up with an error saying they can't detect the 3dfx card.

I have tried many different things (such as different versions of glide) but nothing works yet. I really want to try to get these games working with the old voodoo graphics... can anyone help me?

Specs:
ABit n-force nf7-s2g motherboard
AMD Athalon 1.8GHz
256MB DDR RAM
GeForce FX 5700 Graphics card   <  linked with the
3dfx voodoo graphics card           < pass-through cable

Thanks!

Maybe try different 3rd party drivers, there are plenty of them out there!

Or just wait for the pros to help you!

;D

OK i understand it may be difficult to get a voodoo 1 card to work under windows XP (although the third-party drivers must work for some people surely?), but i am even having problems in DOS.

I just did a test using by putting the ''benchtri.exe'' test program that comes with the Glide 2 SDK onto a DOS boot disk and i get this error:
gd error(glide):  _grSstDetectResources: failed to find or map any board

:( I dont think my computer can see the voodoo card at all. But then it must be able to in Windows XP because it lets me install the third-party drivers. Maybe some problem with initializing the card ?

..I was trying to get my voodoo1 running on a new pc some time ago,tested on 3 modern pcs,but no matter how hard I tried,I was not able to get it working.either crashes or no 3d output at all (for example return to castle wolfenstein-the game was running and I was able to see the 2d hud textures and hear the sound,but the everything else was just grey).the problem is that there are no decent drivers for xp and voodoo1..if you really want to have glide support,you should get a voodoo2,this card has excelent driver support and will run on (almost) any new system.the card should be around 5$  ;)

I'm beginning to think both cards i've tried have been broken or just will not work at all, even in DOS for some reason. Windows XP recognises them and will install the drivers, but the card just doesn't work at all; in windows or in DOS.  ??? Its very strange that it doesn't work even from a DOS boot disk  ???

I've checked on this site and the one in my machine is a Gainward voodoo graphics if that helps anyone?

EDIT: Ok, now this is getting weirder: Windows XP keeps detecting the card over and over again sometimes when i boot up the computer.... I had to remove about 5 different 'copies' of the card in Device Manager  :-/  Is this a symptom of anything or this just Windows being stupid?

..forgot to add: I have tried both xp and win98se.no deal,the card just didnt work..

wrote on 21.02.05 at 23:08:42:

I would like to know how "performs" a Voodoo 1 on a very fast Intel Cpu ?

Pretty much anything over a 200-266 mhz the Voodoo Graphics becomes a bottleneck if I remember the bad old days.

Here is a page with Voodoo Graphics run with 1.0ghz Celeron.

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/bench.htm

wrote on 21.02.05 at 22:23:47:

I don't own XP.  ;) Do you try to run the game with or without its support (needs a patch) for the Voodoo 1 ?

Yes i have all the patches i need, so i run them all with the voodoo patches, but it doesn't work. I'm beginning to give up because the card doesn't even work in DOS  :-/

Well if going from a 300 mhz part to a 400 mhz makes no difference in fps...

While it would be neat to run one on a 3.0 ghz machine it will bench no faster then an old PII 400.

I'll let you know in a few minutes.

Ho-ho-HO! A fine joke, on me! It's a good day when you learn something new.

Voodoo Graphic will not run on AMD Barton platform, I think it is related to the 3dfx driver since after installing driver and pulling card it would still lock up during windows boot.

Installed card, booted to windows no problem, loaded driver, reboot, lock, safe mode ok.

On BX Intel platform-  Celeron 1.0 ghz (10 x 100 or at 10 x 66) Turok scored 28 fps, with a 333 mhz difference in CPU speed.

And Turok very simple game!

wrote on 22.02.05 at 08:18:41:

With AMD, i'm pretty sure that it's a "limit" in the speed of the cpu's.

Well in at least my system it booted fine, just when drivers were introduced was there a problem.

Yes, would be of intrest to see if this is an issue on Intel system, next time I have my 2.8ghz open perhaps I'll try.

wrote on 22.02.05 at 12:33:24:

Yes, would be of intrest to see if this is an issue on Intel system, next time I have my 2.8ghz open perhaps I'll try.

Is this P4 a 533 or 800 fsb? Was wondering if the Barton has problems because of the faster fsb 166x2 vs. 133x2. Just a thought.

wrote on 23.02.05 at 04:34:12:

Is this P4 a 533 or 800 fsb? Was wondering if the Barton has problems because of the faster fsb 166x2 vs. 133x2. Just a thought.

1) 800 FSB

2) The PCI bus is locked at 33 mhz and nothing is overclocked.

I think it's related to the drivers since even without the card present the machine locked up.

Some interaction with the KT-333 chipset and the old Win9x 3dfx driver?

wrote on 23.02.05 at 10:42:58:

The card that doesn't work is an ColorMAX Voodoo.

I tried a few other cards as well including an Obsidian 50-2400, made no difference till I uninstalled the driver.

What AMD motherboards and chipsets were you running?

wrote on 23.02.05 at 10:42:58:

I've posted here somewhere.. But some 3dfx Voodoo Graphics cards run perfectly in new AMD systems. I have 3 A-Trend Helios 3D cards which ran perfectly in my AMD Duron 1200 and runs perfectly in an AMD Athlon XP 1700+ @ 2400MHz. (192x12,5) Diamond Monster 3D runs perfect too. The card that doesn't work is an ColorMAX Voodoo.

..full system specs please (all hardware/software,especially the voodoo1 xp driver you have been using)
:o

sounds interesting.... Maybe I can see the differences of my cards too. I'm not very hopeful that i can get my cards to work but i'll take a closer look at the cards and PCI connections.

Whats annoying is my PC detecting about 15 multimedia devices at once!!! It took a while to remove them all from device manager  :( It seems to be a big problem with my computer detecting the 3dfx card.

Hm, considering you basically could have trashed alot of components in your totally overclocked System, it's IMHO impossible to say where the actual error is buried.

It's a wonder it is still running in the first place.

Did you test if the Voodoo1 works in normal operating parameters ?
(AthlonXP 1700+ = 1466MHz, not 2400MHz)

IMHO high FSB has often hurt Voodoo Cards (malfunctions, overtemp), even if their own Bus Clock remained normal.

The Problem is not the locked or unlocked PCI speed, it is the FSB itself, regardless of locked/unlocked Device speeds.

And it is known that some designs simply sometimes do not run in high FSB Systems (>133MHz), although noone ever nailed the exact cause down.

Say, what about a Voodoo4 on WindowsME?

To have a few (old) Glide-games running again (after 5 years), I installed WindowsME next to W2K on my new(er) PC.

After installing two different drivers (i.e. the Amigamerlin- and Evolution-drivers as on 3dfxzone.it), I get a General Protection Error...

I have an Athlon 64 3000+ (@ 1,8 GHz) on an Asus A8V Deluxe mobo with 1024 MB DDR RAM, and Windows Millennium.

WinME instead of Win98, because, in my experience ME is (was) a lot better than 98.

Since I did not get the two games (space sims called, "Independence War" and "Defiance" by the late "Particle Systems" from the UK) to run on XP Pro and on W2K with my old Geforce2 MX and Glide "emulators", I thought I'd try good ole Windows Millennium again.

How come I get this general protection error after rebooting these Voodoo4-drivers?

not Windows Massile Extinction please, that is the worse OS ever made ans especially for 3dfx cards.

I would rather recommend you to use Win2K pro + SP4+

wrote on 20.07.05 at 20:00:10:

not Windows Massile Extinction please, that is the worse OS ever made ans especially for 3dfx cards. I would rather recommend you to use Win2K pro + SP4+

No way, Obi Wan!
I tested by intensive benchmarking both Win 98SE and Win ME and my results were that ME is faster, although somehow a litle unstable. I am using right now Win ME for my system powered by Voodoo 4 and it runs flawlessly, not alike the slower Win 98SE. By my oppinion, 3DFX products play realy small part in the overall speed difference between the two ... other system specs than mine might lead to different results ... it must be a case of better compatibility ...

ME is slower dude, really, I've used all OS's on my AXP 2700+ rig, with nearly all 3dfx cards I own and Win98SE is way faster than ME, ME is filled with bugs, it has been nomminated as the worst Operating System in The Word, and really it's frikk'n slow man, believe me, Windows 98SE with unofficial Service Pack 2.0 is the fastest and the best OS of 3dfx Voodoo cards with Windows 2000 + SP4+ on very well earned second place, there are facts of proof enough in this 3dfx world.

No reason to flame about that subject ... although I don't like the "dude" word since I don't see myself as a surfer guy  ;D
As I sayed, for me Win ME works better than 98 SE. Why? Optimised drivers (MB, SB, LAN ...) or whatever ... I realy don't care ... my favoryte is my fastest.  :) The fact that for many others the result is quite the opposite doesn't help me a bit. If Win98 were faster for my PC, I would have switched to it in no time because it is more stable.
Sorry for the off-topic ... ;)

Win98SE is faster laddie, there is enough proof, you asked , you get a clear shot so do  I

..... you must do what is best of course ...

Laddie ?? Should I take it as a "joke" ?  ???
First you called me "dude", now "laddie"...  Maybe my English sucks big-time and I miss-interpreted the terms, ... or maybe not.  :-X
No need for me to answer the same way, all I did was to state my point based on personal tests in civillised manner. If you feel like you need to continue calling me dissrespectfull names, please take it to private messaging way, Obi Wan!

Edit:
I never sayed that Win ME fits better for the 3DFX products than 98. I stated that for my system it gives me better overall performance but not stability. I tested other things too than gaming experiences.

please behave, the words dude and laddie are friendly things not mean things, we use those words morely and often from time to time, I use what I want, your are not the boss of my words, do I make myself clear.

I sense something I haven't felt since......

Yah, cool it folks! ::)

Remember that there are certain colloquialisms that mean something different to people who do not use them locally! ;)

CHILL, it's all good! 8)

yeah I know, I he asked for an aswer, I said that WinME isn't the best OS for 3dfx cards, he didn't agree, his dicision not mine.

No I'm not the boss of your words! Try to be more tolerant with other cultures customs, please! For me beeing called "dude" and "laddie" is considered an offence as in your culture they are friendly words. You couldn't have known that the first time; but I infform you on that now. If it is a must I'll adapt, look now:
<<Dude my force is cleaner than yours! Proove me wrong, you laddie!>>
Am I behaveing properly enough for your standards now?
P.S. Please forgive me mates for takeing this thred the off-topic way! I do end it here.  :)

Edit:
Obi Wan, you have private message from me  ;)

You must do what is best of course...



A 3Dfx Voodoo Graphics max speed ends at a Pentium!!! @ 933Mhz.

Quote:

although I don't like the "dude" word since I don't see myself as a surfer guy

Yikes!!

I am a surfer dude from southern California. If I called anyone "Dude" I certainly meant no disrespect.

I will try to be careful with my choice of words here.  

don't worry gamma742 it's just somethandg new dudes gotta get used to here ;) but afaik a Voodoo graphics has it's ultimate and max speed with a P3/EB 933Mhz.

Okay, okay, global differences aside ...  :)

ok, since falconfly is over worked i'll moderate  8)

everyone but me recieves a 5 year ban :-*

hmm. guess i'll be the only one posting now :)

from everything ive heard is that 98se is the fastest but there is no more support for it, ive used 2000 for several years and have had no problems with it, and if you check the drivers still being worked on there for 2000/xp i believe, which is reason i dont try out 98se again for myself. as far as win-me goes i never got to try that one out, wish i did since i like to pick for myself, whatever makes you happy is really what is best in the end. ;)

ok. 5 years is up, the ban is over resume posting :P

@ Everyone, no Bans required!!! everyone is innocent!

still useing Win98SE for 8 years without problems on my ole K62-500!!! it's really depends on what you do with it, I only run old Glide games on, it has the Unofficial Service Pack 2.02 has the look of 2K , the stabillity of 2K but the speeds and compliantcy of 98SE and it can read, and format NTFS files also ;)

Win2K pro is indeed the best allround Operating System, Lunix is better imho for Video and music composing and internet ofcourse, for the Internet there is Konqueror, that is simple the fastest and the best Internet brouwser in the world, for my MS OS's I use Mozilla FireFox 1.06 also a part from Linux :D

For The Dual OpteronDP244 and Dell InSpiron x-Treme 9100 , WinXP Home. anyway they have all a dual boot for Lunux Knoppix, and Debian9.1 shall be the next Linux OS for Voodoo testing :)