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Re: AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ?
Reply #45 - 23.03.05 at 00:33:35
 
*lol* what about the much more & even bigger security issues on win98se? i mean, every 11 years old boy can hack a 6 years old system..this way, xp is safer

er..as i know win98 knows bigger ram, but only supports up to 384mb - if there's more on your mobo you could as well cut it..well, you're right about the os's for 3dfx boards. but are you really still playing games like turok1 or nfs2se?? me personally decided to buy a new card when switching to winxp..i still have my voodoo5 lying around here & it's kinda sad to not being able to use it (as long as i won't build a 2nd pc)

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Re: AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ?
Reply #46 - 23.03.05 at 00:51:55
 
*lol*

Well, I wasn't so much talking about the Security against external Attacks (a Patched Win98SE IMHO is by far safer than any WinXP).

With WinXP SP1 (also Win2000, regardless of Service Pack), you even just have to go online without a properly configured Firewall to catch Blaster & Co, Win9x is immune against this flaw.

The personally observed record of killing the System after going online with it fresh installed is AFAIK 3 seconds.

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Win9x supports 512MB RAM without modifications, with a Patch it is currently at 1GB AFAIK (never tested it myself though)

So no, WinXP isn't safer than any other MS OS, in fact it is by far unsafer than anything existing worldwide. It is the unsafest OS to ever exist on the face of earth. Thanks to its bundeled Trojans that ship with it in the first place, it is also the biggest Privacy risk to ever exist.
It's really funny to do Port Scans and an analysis of running (wide open and useless) Services on a fresh WinXP Installation; absolutely catastrophic.

Anyone who calls WinXP "safe" IMHO has no clue what's actually running there, it is the biggest catastrophy MicroSoft ever produced.
(but to be honest, it appears that there's a well controlled System behind all this; it is not that MS can't Code properly, but having the entire world connecting to MicroSoft Servers for Updates is an excellent way to keep track of 'em)

And I have never heard of any non MicroSoft-OS to ever ship with Adware as well. On WinXP, this even has 10% of all Network bandwidth reserved to perform its espionage of User Surfing habits. That alone is a complete NoGo, but some people don't care about their Data I guess.

Linux isn't quite there yet (Retail Market), but that's basically you don't have to buy it anyway and that Games have just started to be released for Linux as well.
It's getting there, just needs about 1-2 years more IMHO.
(note : in other countries it is by far more established than in Europe or the US, with markets like China or Brazil pushing it forward quite alot, the overall Situation will improve over time over here as well)

We'll just have to wait until the next generation of Polymorph Worms go online and kill a few Million "safe" WinXP systems again. That usually is a good "wake-up" call for all those who believe their Systems are anywhere close to secure.
MacOS or Linux never had this sort of Problem and likely will never have (and not because of the widespread misunderstanding that they are merely not so attractive targets, but because those OS'es are 1000x more secure than anything MS ever released).

PPS.
Have you ever seen an OS that its maker explicitly limits to 10 concurrent TCP/UDP Connections at one time, knowing it will be infected with a Worm one day ? (WinXP SP2 does that).
Well, I haven't *lol*, that speaks for itself concerning what MicroSoft thinks themself about the "security" of their OS *rofl*

Trust me on that one, in more than 20 years of dealing with computers I have never seen anything more unsafe and untrustful than WinXP.
The only potential Candidate for breaking this negative Record is... actually Windows Longhorn *g*

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If you want to see how those whose Millions of Profits literally depend on a Secure OS, just see how many Routers, Hosters and Backbone Operators work with MicroSoft Products in their mission-critical Systems.
The number is laughable low, and these people's existence on the market depends on it, so I do believe they know as well I am right and trust their absolute vitals rather to Linux, Unix or BSD.

On the other hand, running critical Systems with a MicroSoft OS can lead to rather funny results.
I remember the US Navy had one of their multi-billion AEGIS Missile Cruisers emergency shutdown, and had to have it towed back into a harbour.
What happened?
One of the Crew Members inserted a Virus Infected Disk into his WinNT Workstation, causing the entire ship's Network to become infected.
When they lost control over their Weapon Computers and Propulsion, the Captain did the only thing he was left to do : order the emergency shutdown of all Command systems, rendering the ship an uncontrolled and propulsion-less floating entity on the ocean... and call for help Wink
(that's how the US Navy found out how "secure" their MicroSoft provided Systems really were)
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Re: AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ?
Reply #47 - 23.03.05 at 04:39:22
 
@Falcon - where can I D/L this 1GB RAM patch for Win '98? ???

Sounds..interesting... Grin 8)
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Re: AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ?
Reply #48 - 23.03.05 at 05:05:22
 
So far I've seen it integrated only in the inofficial Service Pack for Win98SE :

http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html

And don't quote me on the 1GB, I just know they lifted the 512MB limitation and thought I heard something about 1GB (might be less than that, not sure).

From the Past, I know people often got to 640 and 768MB using manual tweaks.
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Reply #49 - 24.03.05 at 16:17:35
 
2 facts:
win98se is 6 years old. 4 more years & you won't get anything to support (drivers, software) this system.
everybody uses winxp, so everybody idiot hacks winxp. what do you think would happen if 90% pc's would run linux? & WHO THE F**K INSTALLS WINXP & WORKS W/ IT AS IS?
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Reply #50 - 24.03.05 at 17:20:12
 
please becarefull what you are saying, there are alot of users that use WInXP as is, and there is nothing wrong with Win98SE, I run it flawlessly for about 18 mounths now.

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Reply #51 - 24.03.05 at 23:33:35
 
Win98SE still can support alot of Hardware out there, the limitations aren't as extreme as some think.

I agree, in a few more years things will look alot different, but we're mostly talking legacy Gaming anyway (= accepting some limitations concerning what works and what doesn't)

WinXP is not hacked because every Joe SixPack uses it, it is hacked because it is insecure.
And looking at the great success, an amazingly lot of people is installing it "as is".
It takes a great deal of knowledge and lots of time to make it half way secure, which only a tiny fraction of Users (with WinXP rather : MicroSoft Clients) possess.

If 90% of all people would use Linux, we'd see about >89.9% less Viruses and Worms immediately.

I had to fix, Install or "make secure as possible" such countless Windows Systems, the term WinXP basically makes me shiver already. A complete and utter desaster, nothing more or less than that it is...

But then, I really don't care about it anymore.
People get what they deserve, and if they refuse to realize what Security and Privacy Risks like WinXP eventually get them, I'd rather let them have it than waste my time on securing something that was never meant to be secure in the first place (looking back at the countless stream of catastrophies, I can only assess that MicroSoft intentionally created it that way by now,  to ease espionage upon the Clients.)
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Reply #52 - 29.03.05 at 17:56:58
 
sure, but i guess nobody in here uses winxp as is, right? and right, everybody who doesn't care about it will get the problems of an insecure system. and i care as less about those people as you do.

the linux thing, right, too. but what if so much people would use linux for at least a year? nobody would still care about hacking windows, when nobody uses it, that's the point. but they would try to hack into linux, that's the other point! and no matter how secure a system is, there's always a backdoor or an unsave port left in the system & that's exactly what hackers will try to find.
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Reply #53 - 29.03.05 at 18:16:51
 
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there's always a backdoor or an unsave port left in the system


And that's exactly incorrect...

Backdoors would (go figure) be almost immediately spotted and removed by the OpenSource community.
Open Ports actually do mean not as much harm to Linux, as they mean to Windows.

In a standard Linux Installation, there are exactly 0 open Ports unless you configure them to be open.
And unless you choose to install the respective Services, those Ports will be closed and unaccessible as a doornail til doomsday (again, unlike Windows).
Only those are open that you choose to be open, and "open" does not mean "open for all" (like Windows), only as open as Filters, Access Restrictions and built-in Firewall permit.

You should talk to some Enhanced Security Linux or SecureBSD folks, although they'd tell you the same.

Sorry, I'm too bored and too tired to try to teach other people the utter basics of Linux security. You need to read up more. Alot more...
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Reply #54 - 29.03.05 at 22:46:21
 
hey, i don't use it, i don't care. to be exact: nearly nobody uses it & nobody cares.
You should talk to some Enhanced Security Windows folks, although they'd tell you the same Grin
i don't need to talk about the many problems & restrictions of a linux system, because as users yourselves you'll mainly know them.
& guess what, who says that everbody wants to be part you this great open source (which comes close to 'yes, please hack me, here's my source code') community?
sorry, i'm too bored & too tired explaining people my thoughts when they don't want to understand and even don't think while reading but behave like they know every sh*t about things nobody else cares about. & yes, i got more necessary things to do than this here (just as stubborn as you're)
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Reply #55 - 29.03.05 at 23:56:25
 
Well, at least I know what I'm talking about...

I've been running and Networked Win95A, Win95OSR1, Win98, Win98SE, WinNT, Win2000, WinXP, Debian/Mandrake/SuSE/Knoppix/Fedora/Redhat Linux and Irix 6.5 to gain hands-on knowledge and argue about, IMHO that should make for a sound judgement on what those are, and what those are not.

PS.
Noone forces or urges you to be a part of the OpenSource Community. But when arguing about it with me about specific advantages or disadvantages, you better have your act and some facts together or remain silent.
I hate nothing more than people who have enough energy to fill pages of entirely bogus nonsense, yet are too complacent in their mind to check out reality at the same time. Basically those are doing nothing but wasting everybodies time having to correct their erroneous statements...
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But let's face it :
WinXP will continue to exist, regardless of what happens or what we discuss here; just like Linux will always be there.
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Reply #56 - 30.03.05 at 15:53:51
 
that's the point i tried to tell you Roll Eyes and linux won't take over windows in the next years.
that's why i don't fill pages w/ facts, nobody's interested in & it wastes my time. as i said, you know for yourself why linux is not everybody's darling.
the reality thing, save it for the poor. you're hiding behind your pc hardware, so don't tell me about reality. computers are tools, not somebody'S f**king life.
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Reply #57 - 30.03.05 at 23:06:08
 
HeHe! I just got my copy of Red Hat 9. I love it!!! It came with everthing I need (it has it's own "Office Suite") I just loaded it up this morning and was messing around with it but had to go to work.

I still have 98SE on my main machine with dual boot to XP SP2 that I rarely use but I'm sure I will use it more in the future (for work).

I think this linux stuff is pretty cool 8)
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Reply #58 - 31.03.05 at 09:14:12
 
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the reality thing, save it for the poor. you're hiding behind your pc hardware, so don't tell me about reality. computers are tools, not somebody'S f**king life.


* big lol * (sorry, didn't find a suitable emoticon)

"Hiding behind first-hand knowledge", to be saved for "the poor", now that's a new one to me.

Sure, computers are tools, but only few people are aware of how powerful tools they have become.

In fact, unless you're living somewhere in the woods, your life already depends on them working as advertised Wink

But you don't sound like the type of guy who would even realize... If this Forum had something like an award for such "Quality Postings", you'd sure have won it for this month *lol*
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Reply #59 - 31.03.05 at 23:16:27
 
and you don't sound like a guy who leaves his room for at least an hour a day.
sure i use computers to make my daily business easier but you should notice there are some more things in the world before your door; that was my point. but i'm sure you won't get it anyway as you're too fixed on your computer stuff.
50 years ago nobody's life depended on this crap & it doesn't by now, if you want so. i'm sure even you would be able to live a week w/o your hardware Grin
maybe you should also add an award for arrogant & ignorant postings - you're the winner!

fact: linux is a fringe development & will be at least the next decade. microsoft did much more for pc users than most other software firms (where whould pc graphics be w/o the directx releases?)
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