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TM30 God Member Offline Posts: 1108 Germany Gender:	Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results Reply #30 - 27.04.05 at 23:06:07 how long did the card work? i mean, instead of 3,3v the AGP port provided 1,5V... right? Lower voltage can also be dangerous? In what way?
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gdonovan YaBB Administrator Offline Infernal Collector Posts: 2361	Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results Reply #31 - 27.04.05 at 23:18:57 You would have to ask Osckhar.
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Obi-Wan_Kenobi Ex Member	Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results Reply #32 - 28.04.05 at 00:07:58 yeaps Osckhar mentioned that 1.5 volt kan kill 5500 AGPx4 cards, it happened to him once and if you want to know why yeah ask'n osckhar would be greatly adviced, remember it is a prototype and prototypes don't always perfect as production models they can go defect.
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Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results
Reply #33 - 28.04.05 at 09:46:28

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Well, my card did work during 2 or 3 months without problem. It was running in a ABIT IS7-G chipset ¡865, just compatible with AGP4x and 8x. Sometime I had some random reboot. I thought that the problem was the SFFT Alpha driver. But one day the card did not boot more...
If you check the card with the Everest Home edition. You will see like the card just works to 1x and 2x. But if you try with a V4, you will see compatibility to AGP1x, 2x and 4x. I have here 2 V5 5500 with NOTCH like AGP4x more, and both cards works just to 3.3v.

Rolo01 has a V5 5500 AGP4x too. But his v5 doesn't boot in a ASUS ¡865 or ¡875 chipset. Sloomy tried his V5 AGP4x in a ¡845 Board and worked well.

According Hank Semenec:
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Yes the notch means that 1.5V support is there. No, the card will not be destroyed when plugged into 4X only system. The IO voltage is sparated from 3.3V and takes VVDQ from the slot (3.3V or 1.5V).

Mainly, V4 does run AGP 4X protocol, that is the only one! If the card is notched with 1.5V key then it will run.

Hank

And now what?

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gdonovan YaBB Administrator Offline Infernal Collector Posts: 2361	Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results Reply #34 - 28.04.05 at 13:06:43 Quote: Yes the notch means that 1.5V support is there. This is only "part" true. The Powercolor VSA-100 boards have the AGP x 4 connectors but run 3.3V and AGP 1/2x ONLY. You also have to remember the 5000/5500 AGP x 4 are prototype boards i.e. unfinished, unreleased products.
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osckhar God Member Offline www.3Dfx.es Posts: 812 SPAIN Gender:	Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results Reply #35 - 28.04.05 at 16:34:58 Quote: You also have to remember the 5000/5500 AGP x 4 are prototype boards i.e. unfinished, unreleased products. Gary, Do you know why the V5 5500 AGP4x has not any NOT FOR RESALE tagged on the board? Seems to be like this card already was a product finished, right? Oscar
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Obi-Wan_Kenobi Ex Member	Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results Reply #36 - 28.04.05 at 17:21:44 well maybe it was in the stage that is was just finnished being made by a production machine and that it had to be sent to the lab for testen, just in that phase that it was waiting for transportation to the lab and that is where the cards get thier labels after testing.
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TM30 God Member Offline Posts: 1108 Germany Gender:	Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results Reply #37 - 06.05.05 at 20:06:38 Quote: You also have to remember the 5000/5500 AGP x 4 are prototype boards i.e. unfinished, unreleased products. this is not true. i got mine from a guy who had this card purchased regularly. these cards are no prototypes... if they were prototypes, they would be marked as "not for resale"
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Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results
Reply #38 - 06.05.05 at 22:09:02

1) I have one marked "not for resale" it's not uncommon for tools to peel the decals off because they think they are doing something illegal.

2) 3dfx was unloading a lot of odd cards at the end to try and generate cash flow, the IBM 4200 is suppose to be a prototype card modified for sale to IBM according to Hank.

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ps47 God Member Offline Keeper of the 3Dfx Helppage Posts: 988 Slovakia,central Europe Gender:	Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results Reply #39 - 06.05.05 at 22:52:32 Quote: This is only "part" true. The Powercolor VSA-100 boards have the AGP x 4 connectors but run 3.3V and AGP 1/2x ONLY. just a little side note-it seems like this is not entirely correct,no-X has performed some test and this is the result: seems like only the "L" cards are 3.3V only..
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Chosen_One Senior Member Offline Keeper of the BIOS-files... Posts: 499 Germany Gender:	Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results Reply #40 - 06.05.05 at 23:42:09 osckhar's card functioned very well for 3 months....then it died... a guy from voodooalert owns a v5 5500 agp4x too. his one worked on an A64 system...but only for testing...now he won't install it any more on a 1,5v mainboard....
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gdonovan YaBB Administrator Offline Infernal Collector Posts: 2361	Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results Reply #41 - 07.05.05 at 00:13:27 Quote: just a little side note-it seems like this is not entirely correct,no-X has performed some test and this is the result: seems like only the "L" cards are 3.3V only.. Not true- The Powercolor 4500 "TV" card also runs at 3.3 volts and AGP 1/2. Been there, own the card, tested them.
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Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results
Reply #42 - 07.05.05 at 00:24:29

Agreed.

Several people have taken their 2xAGP 3.3V Cards and stuck them into Boards without AGP Voltage Protection circuitry.

As they observed them running apparently without Problems, they deemed their Cards compatible.

A fatal error, as the Cards or the Motherboards begin to die a slow death.

Having done this error myself and running a PowerColor Voodoo4 in a 4x AGP only System for about 3 days, I noted the Card's AGP Connector and the area directly around it became very hot as well.

On my ASUS Dual AthlonMP Motherboard (4xAGP only) with appropriate AGP Protection circuitry, the Board (luckily) did not even power up using the PowerColor Voodoo4, with the AGP Warning LED lit bright red.
Same thing happened when I put in a Kyro2, which I later found out was (without modifications) also 2xAGP 3.3V only, despite being keyed for 4xAGP...

There is a remote chance that certain Revisions of the PowerColor Voodoo4 or the "L"-Card actually might be correct 4xAGP Cards, but AFAIK there is no way to be 100% sure without proper electrical Diagnose functions.

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gdonovan YaBB Administrator Offline Infernal Collector Posts: 2361	Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results Reply #43 - 07.05.05 at 01:41:15 Quote: AFAIK there is no way to be 100% sure without proper electrical Diagnose functions. Which is why I love my Epox board with KT333 chipset so much- Full hardware monitoring and AGP voltage report on the boot screen with support for 1/2/4 AGP modes.
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TM30 God Member Offline Posts: 1108 Germany Gender:	Re: VSA-100 board testing... surprising results Reply #44 - 08.05.05 at 15:05:34 yep this board is great. one of the best "voodoo boards" out there...
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