Hey guys,

I thought it might be handy to have a thread where we can list the cards we may have found that use the same kinda ram the Voodoo5 5500 does, TSOP86.

8MB modules

1: 3DProphet 4500 Kyro II 64MB = 5ns TSOP86 ram
2: 3DProphet 4500 Kyro II 64MB = 5.5ns TSOP86 ram


16MB modules

1:

please feel free to share any findings, I will update 1st post with the data

Any other info regarding the ram is welcome too ofcourse, like where it can be bought separately.

Ofcourse we like the 16MB modules best, since they allow for a 128MB V5 mod :)

what is the marking on the RAM chips? i see one sold here on Ebay, Apollo Kyro II 4500 AGP 64mb with Samsung brand on it, but the model number isn't quite clear on the picture(s).

all Kyro II cards use TSOP86 ram, only difference is that some cards have 200Mhz ram (5ns) and some use 183Mhz ram (5.5ns) the rest is exactly the same.
But mine has samsung ram as well, I'll post the markings tonight when I'm at home.

i'm asking because i see a lot of my AGP cards here have Samsung RAM on them...so i would like to check if it's exactly TSOP86 memory type.

there are very few cards that use TSOP86, it is easy to recognize, since it has 86 pins, very small ones, most cards from that time use TSOP II (54 pins) if I remember correctly

just enter the the print that is on the card into google and type specs behind it and you will get pages shown where the specs can be found.

for example: hynix 210A HY57V281620HCT-5, type the last part in google and you get loads of pages, and 1 is

http://www.digchip.com/datasheets/parts/datasheet/3909/HY57V281620HCT-5.php

showing:

Specifications
Memory Category DRAM Chip
Density 134218 kbits
Number of Words 8000 k
Bits per Word 16 bits
Package Type TSOP, 0.400 X 0.875 INCH, 0.80 MM PITCH, TSOP2-54
Pins 54
Logic Family CMOS
Supply Voltage 3.3V
Access Time 4.5 ns
Operating Temperature -40 to 85 C (-40 to 185 F)

So i guess the Voodoo4 also use TSOP86? since it's basically half a Voodoo5.

all vsa-100 based 3DFX cards use the TSOP86 ram,

Advice- if someone is planing to mod his card with fast memory. I recommend , always if you can, to buy new ones tsop86. I found problems when using used TSOP86. So you know for sure if card gets errors is for pins shorted or not correctly welded-

- Oscar.

good advice Oscar.

Do you know any sites that still sell the TSOP86 ram chips?

My dream is 256MB Voodoo5 5500, with fast ram, but I don't know if 32MB TSOP86 chips even exist. 128MB per chip is possible, Komponent did that mod to a Voodoo4 4500.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/691904837/MT48LC4M32B2P_7_IT_G.html

those are 16MB modules if I'm not mistaken, but they are only 143Mhz. :(

These are 5.5ns

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/MT48LC2M32B2TG-55-TSOP86-MICRON-FREE-SHIPPING/459644953.html

That is 183Mhz ram, but only 8MB per chip, so no go in more ram :(

ultima wrote on 03.12.13 at 12:31:07:

good advice Oscar. Do you know any sites that still sell the TSOP86 ram chips? My dream is 256MB Voodoo5 5500, with fast ram, but I don't know if 32MB TSOP86 chips even exist. 128MB per chip is possible, Komponent did that mod to a Voodoo4 4500. http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/691904837/MT48LC4M32B2P_7_IT_G.html those are 16MB modules if I'm not mistaken, but they are only 143Mhz. :( These are 5.5ns http://www.aliexpress.com/item/MT48LC2M32B2TG-55-TSOP86-MICRON-FREE-SHIPPING/459644953.html That is 183Mhz ram, but only 8MB per chip, so no go in more ram :(

Voodoo4 mounts 8 RAM chip, using 16MB RAM per chip you can reach 128MB, but no more since I doubt that 32MB 86TSOP-II per chip does exist, we are speaking of SDRAMs, not DDRAMs afterall. The Voodoo5 mounts MAX 4 RAM chip per VSA-100. So you cannot have your cake and eat it at the same time.

The mod isn't still a flawless success anyway. It turns out that there are different card behaviours depending on OS and motherboard used.

goriath wrote on 03.12.13 at 16:03:56:

ultima wrote on 03.12.13 at 12:31:07: good advice Oscar. Do you know any sites that still sell the TSOP86 ram chips? My dream is 256MB Voodoo5 5500, with fast ram, but I don't know if 32MB TSOP86 chips even exist. 128MB per chip is possible, Komponent did that mod to a Voodoo4 4500. http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/691904837/MT48LC4M32B2P_7_IT_G.html those are 16MB modules if I'm not mistaken, but they are only 143Mhz. :( These are 5.5ns http://www.aliexpress.com/item/MT48LC2M32B2TG-55-TSOP86-MICRON-FREE-SHIPPING/459644953.html That is 183Mhz ram, but only 8MB per chip, so no go in more ram :( Voodoo4 mounts 8 RAM chip, using 16MB RAM per chip you can reach 128MB, but no more since I doubt that 32MB 86TSOP-II per chip does exist, we are speaking of SDRAMs, not DDRAMs afterall. The Voodoo5 mounts MAX 4 RAM chip per VSA-100. So you cannot have your cake and eat it at the same time. The mod isn't still a flawless success anyway. It turns out that there are different card behaviours depending on OS and motherboard used.

[Emperor Palpatine mode on]Henceforth you shall be known as Darth dreamwrecker [Emperor mode off] LOL

But seriously, that really sucks, max for a 5500 is therefor 128MB. Is there any way to be sure if those 32MB chips exist??

Even modding the card to reach 128MB we cannot be sure if the card could benefit of extra RAM completely, so at some time keep to adding more and more RAM begins to be wasteful, if you ask me. 128MB would be enough, so I wouldn't take it bad.

BTW, if you really care about it, the only way to know some 32MB chip RAM would be simply search for them, but I have serious doubts you could find any. As I stated previously we're speaking about SDRAMs, not DDRAMs. At the time 16MB per chip were at the edges of market needs while fastest DDRAMs came out already. The only scenario I could imagine is something like cache for hard disk drives (32MB). But don't forget you don't need common SDRAM chip but 86TSOP-II RAMs! They were pretty unpopular and expensive at the time, I don't think we're going to find them on hard drives.

Modding with 32Mb chips was already tried with no luck:
http://www.falconfly.de/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1364630437/60

https://www.verical.com/category/511-RAM/520-DRAM-Chip#searchName=&_i_=1&searchTerm=87106&landingPage=catalogItemView&searchCriterion=mpnIDs

these are 143Mhz 32MB chips, so they do exist.

Could it be that the vsa-100 can handle 128MB per chip, but with a max of 16MB per chip, thus crippling the 5500 cause of it's "lack" of ram spots?

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/IS42S32800D-6TL/IS42S32800D-6TL-ND/1831342

I found 166Mhz chips too, but I can't find faster ones yet :(

Komponent wrote on 03.12.13 at 20:29:55:

Modding with 32Mb chips was already tried with no luck: http://www.falconfly.de/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1364630437/60

That means that a 6000 can only achieve 256MB max, right?!

But what about those quantum3d cards with 512MB, how many ram spots do those have?? I would guess 8 vsa-100 chips with 64MB per chip.

Looking at the picture of an 8164 it has 64 ram spots with8MB modules, so in theory it could be modded with 32MB chips, because it has all the required ram channels, as the 4500 does, right? Or am I missing something??
If true it could make a 2GB 8164 card a possibility, right??

ultima wrote on 03.12.13 at 22:25:52:

Komponent wrote on 03.12.13 at 20:29:55: Modding with 32Mb chips was already tried with no luck: http://www.falconfly.de/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1364630437/60 That means that a 6000 can only achieve 256MB max, right?! But what about those quantum3d cards with 512MB, how many ram spots do those have?? I would guess 8 vsa-100 chips with 64MB per chip. Looking at the picture of an 8164 it has 64 ram spots with8MB modules, so in theory it could be modded with 32MB chips, because it has all the required ram channels, as the 4500 does, right? Or am I missing something?? If true it could make a 2GB 8164 card a possibility, right??

I didn't remember the topic about a 32MB mod, thanks Komponent.

Well, according to that find, yes, a Voodoo5 6000 would stick to 256MB MAX.

On AA5 boards every VSA-100 has 8 RAM spots MAX (4 on the front, 4 on the back), 64MB (8x8MB) MAX per VSA-100, 512MB in total. You could replace 8MB RAM with 16MB RAM and reach, as for the Voodoo4, 128MB per VSA-100 (1024MB on board MAX). As far as I understand 32MB chip density is simply not handleable at the moment, the verdict isn't clear yet. And I don't think it's a matter of how many RAM spots you have available.

ok i found 2 cards which seem to have a high density of pins for the RAM, in my box:

-ATI Radeon "R6" SDR 32mb PCI
-Matrox G4+M4A32DG AGP

here are 2 pictures (click for a larger picture):
http://thumbnails108.imagebam.com/29271/e6df47292702955.jpg http://thumbnails108.imagebam.com/29271/b0fc4b292703043.jpg

here's the obligatory question: are they TSOP86 RAM chips?

Yep, good job indeed.

Those from ATi card are Micron 5.5ns 86TSOP-II: http://download.micron.com/pdf/datasheets/dram/sdram/64MSDRAMx32.pdf

Those from Matrox card are Samsung 6ns 86TSOP-II: http://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheet/SamsungElectronic/mXxqwrz.pdf

Both are 512K x 32bit x 4 Banks or 64Mb (8MB per chip).

Another card known to mount the right kind of RAMs is the Asus V7100.

i had a V7100 at the time, Geforce2 MX without A/V out (it was like 20-30$ more with one, so...), 32mb, AGP.

Though i do have one here, it's a V7100PRO 64M. (2m x 32)
pictures:
http://thumbnails104.imagebam.com/29273/36aeb5292728414.jpg http://thumbnails108.imagebam.com/29273/9d4b41292728489.jpg

i think i found another card with TSOP86 memory, it's a Riva TNT2 M64 16mb AGP, 2 x 8mb on it...so far no luck for 16mb chips...

it's the Compaq kind, model number "180-P0009-0000-C03"

goriath wrote on 04.12.13 at 00:21:18:

ultima wrote on 03.12.13 at 22:25:52: Komponent wrote on 03.12.13 at 20:29:55: Modding with 32Mb chips was already tried with no luck: http://www.falconfly.de/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1364630437/60 That means that a 6000 can only achieve 256MB max, right?! But what about those quantum3d cards with 512MB, how many ram spots do those have?? I would guess 8 vsa-100 chips with 64MB per chip. Looking at the picture of an 8164 it has 64 ram spots with8MB modules, so in theory it could be modded with 32MB chips, because it has all the required ram channels, as the 4500 does, right? Or am I missing something?? If true it could make a 2GB 8164 card a possibility, right?? I didn't remember the topic about a 32MB mod, thanks Komponent. Well, according to that find, yes, a Voodoo5 6000 would stick to 256MB MAX. On AA5 boards every VSA-100 has 8 RAM spots MAX (4 on the front, 4 on the back), 64MB (8x8MB) MAX per VSA-100, 512MB in total. You could replace 8MB RAM with 16MB RAM and reach, as for the Voodoo4, 128MB per VSA-100 (1024MB on board MAX). As far as I understand 32MB chip density is simply not handleable at the moment, the verdict isn't clear yet. And I don't think it's a matter of how many RAM spots you have available.

I read through the post and seems that the 32MB per chip doesn't work, but what about the 16MB chips piggybacking? Didn't see any conclusive answer about that.

so it's easier to mod a V4500 since they already have empty RAM sockets? so putting 8mb on those cards whould be good for 64mb.

Does that mean that if i get a V4500 someday, i could use those 8 x 8mb RAM from my V7100Pro to get a 64mb V4500 instead?

RaptorZX3 wrote on 04.12.13 at 04:50:58:

i had a V7100 at the time, Geforce2 MX without A/V out (it was like 20-30$ more with one, so...), 32mb, AGP. Though i do have one here, it's a V7100PRO 64M. (2m x 32)...

Indeed, right RAMs and very fast.


ultima wrote on 04.12.13 at 09:25:27:

goriath wrote on 04.12.13 at 00:21:18: ultima wrote on 03.12.13 at 22:25:52: Komponent wrote on 03.12.13 at 20:29:55: Modding with 32Mb chips was already tried with no luck: http://www.falconfly.de/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1364630437/60 That means that a 6000 can only achieve 256MB max, right?! But what about those quantum3d cards with 512MB, how many ram spots do those have?? I would guess 8 vsa-100 chips with 64MB per chip. Looking at the picture of an 8164 it has 64 ram spots with8MB modules, so in theory it could be modded with 32MB chips, because it has all the required ram channels, as the 4500 does, right? Or am I missing something?? If true it could make a 2GB 8164 card a possibility, right?? I didn't remember the topic about a 32MB mod, thanks Komponent. Well, according to that find, yes, a Voodoo5 6000 would stick to 256MB MAX. On AA5 boards every VSA-100 has 8 RAM spots MAX (4 on the front, 4 on the back), 64MB (8x8MB) MAX per VSA-100, 512MB in total. You could replace 8MB RAM with 16MB RAM and reach, as for the Voodoo4, 128MB per VSA-100 (1024MB on board MAX). As far as I understand 32MB chip density is simply not handleable at the moment, the verdict isn't clear yet. And I don't think it's a matter of how many RAM spots you have available. I read through the post and seems that the 32MB per chip doesn't work, but what about the 16MB chips piggybacking? Didn't see any conclusive answer about that.

Piggybacking is also possible, but if 32MB per chip doesn't work I don't see why stacking RAMs to reach the same density could work as well. Anyway, piggybacking is a very hard technique. In this case extremely difficult since pins are very close together and for this reason very prone to unsuccess. Another thing you should consider is that stacking RAMs together could increase final latency.

Really, I don't see any reason to put more than 64MB per VSA-100, memory amount which the Napalm was designed for.


RaptorZX3 wrote on 04.12.13 at 10:03:54:

so it's easier to mod a V4500 since they already have empty RAM sockets? so putting 8mb on those cards whould be good for 64mb. Does that mean that if i get a V4500 someday, i could use those 8 x 8mb RAM from my V7100Pro to get a 64mb V4500 instead?

Yes, but I agree with Oscar when he says is better to use new RAMs solder-ready. When you desolder the ram from the donor you heat stress the chip and then one more time when you have to solder them on the target card. Moreover, since the RAM chip isn't "clean" there are chances that you get shorts when you solder the chip again.

Piggybacking is also possible, but if 32MB per chip doesn't work I don't see why stacking RAMs to reach the same density could work as well. Anyway, piggybacking is a very hard technique. In this case extremely difficult since pins are very close together and for this reason very prone to unsuccess. Another thing you should consider is that stacking RAMs together could increase final latency.

Really, I don't see any reason to put more than 64MB per VSA-100, memory amount which the Napalm was designed for.


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RaptorZX3 wrote on Today at 9:03am: so it's easier to mod a V4500 since they already have empty RAM sockets? so putting 8mb on those cards whould be good for 64mb. Does that mean that if i get a V4500 someday, i could use those 8 x 8mb RAM from my V7100Pro to get a 64mb V4500 instead? Yes, but I agree with Oscar when he says is better to use new RAMs solder-ready. When you desolder the ram from the donor you heat stress the chip and then one more time when you have to solder them on the target card. Moreover, since the RAM chip isn't "clean" there are chances that you get shorts when you solder the chip again.

Well, if I look at the post and see that the V4 4500 did a test run with 64MB @ 1600x1024 and 2xFSAA and scored 3xx and with 128MB it scored well over 800. Still a crappy score, but the increase due to ram increase is pretty damn good.
It is being hindered by the 33Mhz pci bus and his slow CPU (XP1900+), both of which I don't suffer from, seeing as I have a 66Mhz PCI slot waiting for it and an XP-M3000 clocked at 2.4Ghz, so if it would be possible....why not, maybe 4xFSAA will run decently then :D

goriath wrote on 04.12.13 at 15:12:09:

Really, I don't see any reason to put more than 64MB per VSA-100, memory amount which the Napalm was designed for.

Even I don't see a point into it and I did it already...  ;D
Voodoo4 with 128Mb is incompatible with the huge majority of motherboards I tried to test it with. It does work with S2466, but in normal operation virtually shows no performance increase over V4 64Mb and after a long, long search I have found not one game that will start on it bun not run on a 64Mb Voodoo4, because games that require 128Mb video memory also need pixel shader. Also if something runs like crap on 64Mb, 128Mb sure won't make it playable.
It's pointless, VSA100 has no power to need 128Mb. I did it just as an experiment to see if I can do it, but still have hope to find one day a software that will start on 128Mb but not on 64Mb just for the fun of it.  :D
64Mb versus 32Mb is another story. Games that do require it to run, clear boost in performance.

BTW, I didn't want to offend you or say that you shouldn't have modding the card :-/

I see no reasons to going into troubles for a mod that don't pay off the efforts, that's all.

But if the goal is simply fun and research I am always very much interested since the best thing of practicing this stuff is to learn something new.

I only do it for fun. I can count on the fingers of only one hand the number of clients that in about 10 years have ever payed me any money to mod cards for them.  :P No offense taken  8-)

ultima wrote on 04.12.13 at 15:42:46:

Piggybacking is also possible, but if 32MB per chip doesn't work I don't see why stacking RAMs to reach the same density could work as well. Anyway, piggybacking is a very hard technique. In this case extremely difficult since pins are very close together and for this reason very prone to unsuccess. Another thing you should consider is that stacking RAMs together could increase final latency. Really, I don't see any reason to put more than 64MB per VSA-100, memory amount which the Napalm was designed for. Quote: RaptorZX3 wrote on Today at 9:03am: so it's easier to mod a V4500 since they already have empty RAM sockets? so putting 8mb on those cards whould be good for 64mb. Does that mean that if i get a V4500 someday, i could use those 8 x 8mb RAM from my V7100Pro to get a 64mb V4500 instead? Yes, but I agree with Oscar when he says is better to use new RAMs solder-ready. When you desolder the ram from the donor you heat stress the chip and then one more time when you have to solder them on the target card. Moreover, since the RAM chip isn't "clean" there are chances that you get shorts when you solder the chip again. Well, if I look at the post and see that the V4 4500 did a test run with 64MB @ 1600x1024 and 2xFSAA and scored 3xx and with 128MB it scored well over 800. Still a crappy score, but the increase due to ram increase is pretty damn good. It is being hindered by the 33Mhz pci bus and his slow CPU (XP1900+), both of which I don't suffer from, seeing as I have a 66Mhz PCI slot waiting for it and an XP-M3000 clocked at 2.4Ghz, so if it would be possible....why not, maybe 4xFSAA will run decently then :D

No i mean the AGP version, with the empty sockets, since the PCI version only have sockets for the RAM already there, so you would really need 16mb chips to make it 64mb, while on the AGP version, it seem you can still use 8mb chips, since it have 8 sockets in total (4 empty ones)

Not to mention that Voodoo4 can do FSAA 2x only :P

i don't care about anti-aliasing, i want to keep the best performance possible without adding to the useless "eye-candy". I had to switch from 32bit to 16bit color for Q3A to get better performances out of my Voodoo5, considering that 32bit was pretty much new at the time, so not that good for performances for new techs...

Yes, Voodoo4 AGP from 32 to 64Mb is the easyest mod. Just solder 4 more chips (8Mb) in the empty spots and flash the BIOS with the modded one.

you need to be extremely good with soldering though. (i really suck at soldering) And you might need to change all the RAM chips so all of them are from the same brand and speed.

I would prefer to get someone to make me this mod, while providing the stuff needed.

RaptorZX3 wrote on 05.12.13 at 03:49:30:

i don't care about anti-aliasing, i want to keep the best performance possible without adding to the useless "eye-candy". I had to switch from 32bit to 16bit color for Q3A to get better performances out of my Voodoo5, considering that 32bit was pretty much new at the time, so not that good for performances for new techs...

that has more to do with the hardware behind it then the voodoo card itself I think.

Haven't gotten around to testing yet, but me thinks that if I cranck up FSAA on my V5 pci in a 66Mhz pci slot, I will still get decent framerates.

i use a Pentium 4 1.6Ghz Northwood (512kb cache), 512mb DDR266, Windows98SE with latest unofficial patches, V5 with latest stable official drivers, Diamond MX300 sound card...with a good power supply and good cooling as well, including 2x chipset coolers with thermal paste put on those things (what's the name of those again?) on the back of the V5's GPUs to help even more with the cooling.

altho the P4 1.6 should be more then enough, it is well known that P4's were pretty crappy in regards to games, especially compared to AthlonXP / Athlon64, even the P3 1.4-S would probably outrun the P4 by a small margin :)
But what is the framerate you are getting without FSAA on the voodoo4 and 5?

well with Dethkarz it's always 60fps, in the benchmark it's often over 100fps, and everything's maxed. except no anti-aliasing. NFS4 run great with full details even with a lot of transparent dust/smoke around while racing.

Pretty much all games run smoothly (except some which run on older Glide and older PCs better like Pod).

But at the time, i did had some framerate problems as well with a Geforce2 MX 32mb, i was able to put 32bit colors in games but i had a major framerate drop because this feature was still new and required more video RAM (kinda like the DirectX11 with the geforce 400 series, and then improved a lot with the 500 series).

But for those kinds of games, there's almost no difference between 32bit and 16bit colors, so it's alright for me. I had a 1.7Ghz Willamette (256kb cache) on this board before, but after finding a 1.6Ghz Northwood, i switched to this one because of the 512kb cache.

If some one is interested to mod his card. I recommend to use the old technique to solder pin by pin. It is slow process but very effective thecnique. Work is very clean and if you learn fast each mod will be much more easy. Using the tech solder pin by pin card is not stressed as tsop. Very important.

Starts for a V4-4500 agp is very good idea. Easy mod with not wires needed for connect signs.

Good luck guys! :)

ps. komponent, amazing project you did with V4-4500 @128Mb- did you used high resolution with fsaa enabled to see if you can reach resolution not reached for moded @64Mb? For example in Quake3?

RaptorZX3 wrote on 05.12.13 at 03:49:30:

i don't care about anti-aliasing, i want to keep the best performance possible without adding to the useless "eye-candy". I had to switch from 32bit to 16bit color for Q3A to get better performances out of my Voodoo5, considering that 32bit was pretty much new at the time, so not that good for performances for new techs...

Performances are drivers and system dependant.
But if you don't care about FSAA, plug in a Geforce2/3 to play Q3A instead :P


RaptorZX3 wrote on 05.12.13 at 09:56:43:

i use a Pentium 4 1.6Ghz Northwood (512kb cache)

I have stopped to read here.
P4 1.6GHz (512Kb) NorthWood means FSB 100MHz (400MHz QDR).
In this case a PentiumIII with 133MHz FSB could do better :P

Try to put a P4 with 133MHz FSB (533MHz QDR) just for a start. What motherboard are you using?

BTW, the higher is the FSB clock, the better performance you get with the Voodoo5. For this reason, aside from compatibility, to use an Athlon platform with 166MHz FSB is always preferred.

goriath wrote on 05.12.13 at 14:41:41:

RaptorZX3 wrote on 05.12.13 at 03:49:30: i don't care about anti-aliasing, i want to keep the best performance possible without adding to the useless "eye-candy". I had to switch from 32bit to 16bit color for Q3A to get better performances out of my Voodoo5, considering that 32bit was pretty much new at the time, so not that good for performances for new techs... Performances are drivers and system dependant. But if you don't care about FSAA, plug in a Geforce2/3 to play Q3A instead :P RaptorZX3 wrote on 05.12.13 at 09:56:43: i use a Pentium 4 1.6Ghz Northwood (512kb cache) I have stopped to read here. P4 1.6GHz (512Kb) NorthWood means FSB 100MHz (400MHz QDR). In this case a PentiumIII with 133MHz FSB could do better :P Try to put a P4 with 133MHz FSB (533MHz QDR) just for a start. What motherboard are you using? BTW, the higher is the FSB clock, the better performance you get with the Voodoo5. For this reason, aside from compatibility, to use an Athlon platform with 166MHz FSB is always preferred.

ooohhhhh.....you shouldn't say that....that's like cursing in church 

thou shalt not stray away from thy God....3DFX!!

thou shalt not worship flase idols.....nVidia

thou shalt not make unto thee graven images:

https://www.google.nl/#q=nvidia+logos

I wanted only amicably provoke him ;)
(I hope he won't take it bad)

But to my side, what's the point to keep a napalm card into a system if you aren't interested to enjoy FSAA in all its glory? :)

i use a DFI PM12-TL
http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-DFI/PM12-TL.html

Seem like i'll have to look for a 2.8Ghz 533FSB then.

And so far, the only AMD boards (Socket 462) i own only have AGP 4x/8x, so i can't use my V5 on them. And i have no P3 board with Tualatin core support.

After checking on Ebay...there's no way i'm gonna pay 15$+ for a P4 2.8Ghz CPU! (7-8$ shipping to me for the least expensive one)

https://web.archive.org/web/20081022221118/http://www.dfi.com.tw/Support/Download/bios_download_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=1128&CATEGORY_TYPE=MB&STATUS_FLAG=A&SITE=US

Be sure to have the latest bios installed before to go for the upgrade if you haven't already ;)

well...after checking in my box of CPUs...i DO have this CPU! so yes, before changing it, i did the BIOS update. Now it have an ugly splash screen image i don't know how to remove... (it doesn't give me a choice in the BIOS)

Checked the manual for the option to disable the splash screen but didn't find any: https://web.archive.org/web/20040204005120/http://www.dfi.com.tw/Upload/Manual/pm12%20tctl%20675002501.pdf

Maybe the settings is joined with the Quick Power On Self Test option? Try to disable it to allow the system to do a full run of memory test at boot up, maybe this way you'll are able to get rid of the splash screen at the same time, only a guessing...

As for the rest? Is it working fine?

so far it seem to be just fine, tried Quake 2, Quake 3, GLQuake, Project IGI, and VoodooLights.

For some reasons i can't see the CPU temperatures and fans speeds on this board, but it seem to be fine, with all the cooling i've put in, i don't think it's going to overheat.