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Re: AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ?
Reply #15 - 23.04.04 at 09:55:43
 
Someone has forgotten the CPU speed limit of AMD Processors in Windows 95, that is around 350 Mhz. If you have a faster AMD CPU, Windows 95 wouldn't start. Of course, there is a workaround, a software kit released by AMD that changes some system files, and makes it possible to run Windows 95 with an Athlon (including Athlon XP) or a Duron processor. But this workaround is not so widely known.
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Reply #16 - 23.04.04 at 13:57:32
 
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well winxp is 2001 software, ya know...i suppose you do best w/ win2000+sp4

This is exactly what I intend to do!  Wink

I have heard that you use this setup and I believe you are right, in that it will be the best for what I will be using my system for too.

Although, I intend to have a dual boot too, of WIn98SE & Win2000+SP4.

What do you think? Any good?

What dual boot software would you recommend?
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Reply #17 - 23.04.04 at 17:36:45
 
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What dual boot software would you recommend?

win2000 does it..install it 1st, then win98se. then open the desktop properties in win2k & check the boot options, there you can edit the dual boot properties..

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...software kit released by AMD that changes some system files, and makes it possible to run Windows 95 with an Athlon (including Athlon XP) or a Duron processor...

interesting, but what's the use for? every newer o/s has native support & runs these cpus faster..anyway, I only heard once of an amd fix provided for some issues concerning win95 & k6-2 (no boot or something like that)...

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...why have 95, when you can have 98?...

why have win98, when you can have modern nt?  Grin
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Re: AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ?
Reply #18 - 26.04.04 at 10:37:35
 
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interesting, but what's the use for? every newer o/s has native support & runs these cpus faster..anyway, I only heard once of an amd fix provided for some issues concerning win95 & k6-2 (no boot or something like that)...

why have win98, when you can have modern nt?  Grin
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That fix for K6-2 processors on Windows 95 is actually needed for anything faster than a K6-2. On Athlon, Duron you really need this fix to run Windows 95...

Windows NT has it's strenghts and it's drawbacks. For example, run programs (3D) in Windows 98 SE and in Windows XP. There will be some differences in perfromance, so Windows 98 is still worth in some cases, at least. 3DMark 2001 SE is one of these examples... WIndows XP has some better points at memory accessing than Windows 98 SE, but CPU load is much bigger.

Also from Win 2000 and XP, your OS consumes more to get you almost the same results... Sometimes this thing is important.
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Reply #19 - 27.04.04 at 00:06:45
 
I'm running windows 98SE on my XP2400+
.. so fast I don't care anymore for the occasionnal reboot, I'm  even pleased to watch my PC do that Grin (you need to reboot for driver install and quite a bit of apps anyway)

and as for every new version of windoze, XP is more and more bloated, slow, crapware loaded and riddled with stupid annoying assistants

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Reply #20 - 27.04.04 at 19:22:16
 
Windows XP = Windows eXPerience

Athlon XP = eXtra Performance

AMD used this naming convention to show that the chips are "designed for windows XP".  etc... it's just a "name" who cares anyway?

Win95 will throw a win protection error at you if you're trying to run it on an AMD K6-2 350 or higher CPU.  This also means all Athlons.  There is a patch.

Many earlier releases will also go t!ts up due to AGP and USB incompatibilities.  Win98/98SE is better but the Internet Explorer shell bogs it down horribly on lower end machines, and it's seriously unstable and buggy.  Remove this, and Internet Explorer with it, and replace it with the Win95 shell and do a few more optimisations such as installing in the first place in APM mode, limiting Vcache, configuring your IRQ routing table correctly, and disabling APIC when you install and you won't crash/reboot at all. Wink

"Modern NT" is a poor excuse of a not so modern Workstation OS, that really hasn't been updated half as many times as it should have been.  Put it out there directly connected to the internet, instead of hiding behind a UNIX/Linux box on a secured LAN and it'll be wormed within minutes.  The myth about this OS's stability is now being seen for what it really is.  And now they're up to version NT5.x and it's still as sh!tty as ever.  Only a complete noob would run it as a server and anyone using it for gaming should consider Win9x.  Most people use NT5.x because it's "new", brightly coloured, looks pretty and has themes.  I don't spend much time messing about with my desktop or making it look aesthetically pleasing so this doesn't appeal to me.  When I install Win9x I never change any of the colours or other things from standard, instead I spend this time actually optimising and configuring the Operating System for good stable performance.  With a win9x OS that completes a shift-reboot in 5 seconds, boots from power up in 12 seconds approx, (would be alot faster without network for dhcp running) and simply doesn't crash, I'm not doing to badly on that count.
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Reply #21 - 27.04.04 at 21:53:15
 
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and as for every new version of windoze, XP is more and more bloated, slow, crapware loaded and riddled with stupid annoying assistants

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So...kill them  Grin XPlite does wonders for getting rid of the extra junk. I like some of it, like the welcome screen and the start menu, so I keep them. But a lot of the "enhancements" go bye-bye, and the result is a somewhat stable OS that runs faster than even 98se optimized. Of course, my voodoo box runs 98se (lite) because the XP drivers still really suck, comparatively, but with my Radeon 9500, stuff goes much better with XP.
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Reply #22 - 28.04.04 at 00:11:19
 
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  And now they're up to version NT5.x and it's still as sh!tty as ever.


also don't forget the very first version was called Windows NT 3.1  Cheesy
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Reply #23 - 28.04.04 at 00:28:17
 
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also don't forget the very first version was called Windows NT 3.1  Cheesy


Yea it had the Windows 3.xx program manager as well, and was as far as I'm aware the first NT version.  I think Windows 95 Explorer was added to NT in version NT4.0 but it may have been earlier. NT5.2 (Server 2003) is the latest.  But the main versions are NT3.x/NT4.x/NT5.x, collectively "NT".
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Reply #24 - 30.04.04 at 09:47:50
 
Regarding OS'es the problem still remains quite unchanged: they are nowhere as fast as they could be, and you can't make them run as you "could make a lego house" (every piece could be added and extracted easily, only the base couldn't be).

Apart from that OS'es are far from being secure. If they were 99% secure, every time you would make a wrong change, the system would simply lock, and you would have to format your hard-drive. We know this is not the case. Security holes, if not too many, are needed sometimes.

Even Linux, although it's better than Windows in some aspects, it's still lacking a lot of good things. Given the last rumour that Linux could become a payed OS (even if it is a joke, it could happen somewhere in the future) things don't look so bright.

Also, there is still no Free Developer Programming Platform free language, designed from ground-up to suit year 2004-2010 period (not the old C, C++ designed in the 70's and 80's). This probably won't happend too soon, so here we go in the never-ending game: OS-Programs-CPU-Hardware, all being more or less obsolete (in design) compared to what would be needed today.
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Reply #25 - 30.04.04 at 23:17:42
 
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Regarding OS'es the problem still remains quite unchanged: they are nowhere as fast as they could be, and you can't make them run as you "could make a lego house" (every piece could be added and extracted easily, only the base couldn't be).

Apart from that OS'es are far from being secure. If they were 99% secure, every time you would make a wrong change, the system would simply lock, and you would have to format your hard-drive. We know this is not the case. Security holes, if not too many, are needed sometimes.


Thats probably the most misinformed statement I've ever heard.  We don't need security holes, only a crazed Win32 fan could come out with that one.

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Even Linux, although it's better than Windows in some aspects, it's still lacking a lot of good things. Given the last rumour that Linux could become a payed OS (even if it is a joke, it could happen somewhere in the future) things don't look so bright.


What?  Linux is better than Win32 from every aspect, it's flexible constantly updated, secure, free etc.  Linux won't become a "payed" OS.  I presume you mean proprietary software?

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Also, there is still no Free Developer Programming Platform free language, designed from ground-up to suit year 2004-2010 period (not the old C, C++ designed in the 70's and 80's). This probably won't happend too soon, so here we go in the never-ending game: OS-Programs-CPU-Hardware, all being more or less obsolete (in design) compared to what would be needed today.


C has never been superceded, it is a powerful platform independent language.  UNIX/Linux and Microsoft Windows are coded in C.  There is no reason to change because C does it's job.  C is also "free", you don't have to buy expensive proprietary IDE's for C develpoment.
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Reply #26 - 01.05.04 at 05:59:57
 
WHOA there! Shocked

Don't go all Evange-linux on our A$$ES! Roll Eyes

Remember that although Andrei's statements are quite mis-informed (many of us agree with that!), there are a LOT of us in this forum who still use MS O.S.'s! Wink

And I don't go around saying people who use Linux are loonies! Roll Eyes

Linux is better and we all know it's a fact! Cheesy

So CHILL already! 8)
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Reply #27 - 01.05.04 at 07:17:28
 
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Even Linux, although it's better than Windows in some aspects, it's still lacking a lot of good things. Given the last rumour that Linux could become a payed OS (even if it is a joke, it could happen somewhere in the future) things don't look so bright.


Some distros of linux are already paid for (aka commercial), like Red Hat Enterprise, Lindows (well, if you want to call that linux), and many others. But the core itself will most likely always be open source.
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Reply #28 - 01.05.04 at 16:46:26
 
Patience is correct in that distribution and support (installation and maintenance) can be charged for, the source code, which is freely distributed, cannot be charged for.  Refer to the GNU/GPL.

@paulpsomodias: I dual boot Win9x and Linux, I didn't call all Win32 users crazed, so you seem to have misinterpreted.  I was simply stating that anyone who categorically writes that security holes are necessary and that without such exploits a system would be unusable is quite honestly making alot of excuses for the Win32 platforms shortcomings.

I've spent the last few days over vnc disabling services and "optimising" a friends XP installation.  I had to remove Welchia-B and Ms Blaster in the process along with a host of adware, spyware etc.  XP had only been clean installed on the system for about 1 hour.  Personally I don't find this acceptable for a mainstream OS that costs far too much anyway.
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Reply #29 - 01.05.04 at 16:54:27
 
Since we're already Off-Off Topic again (great word Roll Eyes ) :

I've just paid for my latest Linux purchases as well :

9,99 Euro for a DVD containing
- Knoppix 3.4
- Slackware 9.1
- Fedora Linux Core 1 (AMD64)
- FreeBSD 5.2.1
- Complete Book (as pdf) Intrusion Detection for Linux Servers

Considering this DVD holds a total of maybe 50000$ or more in terms of what a comparable set of MicroSoft Products would cost, not too bad Grin
And talking OS security , I think FreeBSD alone really is about as good as it can get...
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