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20.02.05 at 17:40:12
 
Hi,

I'm trying to get an old 3dfx voodoo graphics card (4mb voodoo 1) to work in a modern PC setup. The aim is to play some old favourite glide games like Carmageddon. I have tried in Windows XP, installing the third-party voodoo graphics drivers and none of my games seem to recognise the voodoo. They just try to go full screen (or dont even get that far) and crash to desk-top. I'm thinking this is because Windows XP doesn't let the 3dfx card take over. Carmageddon gives me a error message:  "run-time library initialization error: DLL load aborted".
So i have tried these games in DOS but that seems to work even less. As soon as i start Carmageddon it doesn't even come up with DOS4GW (in windows xp it does). I think maybe this is a problem with DOS and memory.
I have also tried some 3dfx test programs under Windows XP and they just come up with an error saying they can't detect the 3dfx card.

I have tried many different things (such as different versions of glide) but nothing works yet. I really want to try to get these games working with the old voodoo graphics... can anyone help me?

Specs:
ABit n-force nf7-s2g motherboard
AMD Athalon 1.8GHz
256MB DDR RAM
GeForce FX 5700 Graphics card   <  linked with the
3dfx voodoo graphics card           < pass-through cable

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Reply #1 - 20.02.05 at 18:02:11
 
Maybe try different 3rd party drivers, there are plenty of them out there!

Or just wait for the pros to help you!

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Reply #2 - 20.02.05 at 19:02:34
 
OK i understand it may be difficult to get a voodoo 1 card to work under windows XP (although the third-party drivers must work for some people surely?), but i am even having problems in DOS.

I just did a test using by putting the ''benchtri.exe'' test program that comes with the Glide 2 SDK onto a DOS boot disk and i get this error:
gd error(glide):  _grSstDetectResources: failed to find or map any board

Sad I dont think my computer can see the voodoo card at all. But then it must be able to in Windows XP because it lets me install the third-party drivers. Maybe some problem with initializing the card ?
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Reply #3 - 21.02.05 at 20:31:34
 
..I was trying to get my voodoo1 running on a new pc some time ago,tested on 3 modern pcs,but no matter how hard I tried,I was not able to get it working.either crashes or no 3d output at all (for example return to castle wolfenstein-the game was running and I was able to see the 2d hud textures and hear the sound,but the everything else was just grey).the problem is that there are no decent drivers for xp and voodoo1..if you really want to have glide support,you should get a voodoo2,this card has excelent driver support and will run on (almost) any new system.the card should be around 5$  Wink
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Reply #4 - 21.02.05 at 21:23:54
 
I'm beginning to think both cards i've tried have been broken or just will not work at all, even in DOS for some reason. Windows XP recognises them and will install the drivers, but the card just doesn't work at all; in windows or in DOS.  ??? Its very strange that it doesn't work even from a DOS boot disk  ???

I've checked on this site and the one in my machine is a Gainward voodoo graphics if that helps anyone?

EDIT: Ok, now this is getting weirder: Windows XP keeps detecting the card over and over again sometimes when i boot up the computer.... I had to remove about 5 different 'copies' of the card in Device Manager  Undecided  Is this a symptom of anything or this just Windows being stupid?
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Reply #5 - 21.02.05 at 22:36:14
 
..forgot to add: I have tried both xp and win98se.no deal,the card just didnt work..
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Reply #6 - 21.02.05 at 23:36:59
 
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I would like to know how "performs" a Voodoo 1 on a very fast Intel Cpu ?


Pretty much anything over a 200-266 mhz the Voodoo Graphics becomes a bottleneck if I remember the bad old days.

Here is a page with Voodoo Graphics run with 1.0ghz Celeron.

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/bench.htm
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Reply #7 - 21.02.05 at 23:48:50
 
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I don't own XP.  Wink
Do you try to run the game with or without its support (needs a patch) for the Voodoo 1 ?


Yes i have all the patches i need, so i run them all with the voodoo patches, but it doesn't work. I'm beginning to give up because the card doesn't even work in DOS  Undecided
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Reply #8 - 22.02.05 at 00:02:11
 
Well if going from a 300 mhz part to a 400 mhz makes no difference in fps...

While it would be neat to run one on a 3.0 ghz machine it will bench no faster then an old PII 400.

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Reply #9 - 22.02.05 at 04:53:33
 
I'll let you know in a few minutes.
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Reply #10 - 22.02.05 at 05:49:30
 
Ho-ho-HO! A fine joke, on me! It's a good day when you learn something new.

Voodoo Graphic will not run on AMD Barton platform, I think it is related to the 3dfx driver since after installing driver and pulling card it would still lock up during windows boot.

Installed card, booted to windows no problem, loaded driver, reboot, lock, safe mode ok.

On BX Intel platform-  Celeron 1.0 ghz (10 x 100 or at 10 x 66) Turok scored 28 fps, with a 333 mhz difference in CPU speed.

And Turok very simple game!
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Reply #11 - 22.02.05 at 12:33:24
 
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With AMD, i'm pretty sure that it's a "limit" in the speed of the cpu's.



Well in at least my system it booted fine, just when drivers were introduced was there a problem.

Yes, would be of intrest to see if this is an issue on Intel system, next time I have my 2.8ghz open perhaps I'll try.
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Reply #12 - 23.02.05 at 04:34:12
 
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Yes, would be of intrest to see if this is an issue on Intel system, next time I have my 2.8ghz open perhaps I'll try.



Is this P4 a 533 or 800 fsb? Was wondering if the Barton has problems because of the faster fsb 166x2 vs. 133x2. Just a thought.
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Reply #13 - 23.02.05 at 13:51:33
 
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Is this P4 a 533 or 800 fsb? Was wondering if the Barton has problems because of the faster fsb 166x2 vs. 133x2. Just a thought.


1) 800 FSB

2) The PCI bus is locked at 33 mhz and nothing is overclocked.

I think it's related to the drivers since even without the card present the machine locked up.

Some interaction with the KT-333 chipset and the old Win9x 3dfx driver?
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Reply #14 - 23.02.05 at 13:54:59
 
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The card that doesn't work is an ColorMAX Voodoo.


I tried a few other cards as well including an Obsidian 50-2400, made no difference till I uninstalled the driver.

What AMD motherboards and chipsets were you running?
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