As I saw, Gary isn't a moderator at this board anymore?
It says "gdonovan - guest" when looking at older posts ...
What happened? If I'm not too nosy asking about that subject...  ???

yeah I mis my old buddy, I don't understand human nature sometimes.

wrote on 05.08.05 at 14:23:01:

yeah I mis my old buddy, I don't understand human nature sometimes.

It' sad to know he retired; but why on earth would Gary quit this place?

he has his reasons maybe, I'm not so sure, He shall always be remembered though.

Let's just move on, it's gonna be very different but things happen, still wierd though. :-[

obiwan your're right...sad but true...

but maybe he will return....

Since he can still post here, I'd rather leave it up to him to reply.

All I can say is that noone forced him to leave, he chose to delete his own account himself.
I'd rather have him still around as well, but it's his decision.

wrote on 05.08.05 at 14:44:04:

It' sad to know he retired; but why on earth would Gary quit this place?

Well, Let's hope it's just a short vacation and he will return home soon.

If he leaves, it's like having a broken AAlchemy...
I believe his nerves exploded, with all the tension that's been and still is hanging around here!

:(

there is some truth in that Luxkiller, but he has made a choice onwhich we can't change ;)

He must do what is best for his own feelings ofcourse that is something we can't decide.

why did i have the sense that some eternally dissatisfied envious people could be the reason why he leaves ?

yeps that's what I was thinking of allready. Gary has the proof though no doubt about that. period.

well i cant help but put my 2 cents in, i feel ive been here a long time, i'll always be thankful to falconfly for having this 3dfx place for us to meet and share.....as for gary, really no one else like him in 3dfx forums, i dont think there ever has been or ever will be another, how many ppl buy some neat rare card and thats the last we hear of it but maybe a picture or two, jesus, gary made it feel like 3dfx was still alive for me, everytime he got something ( alot of the time it was stuff we didnt even know was ever made)  you new there was gonna be an informative write up on it, info that just seemed to come out of nowhere, i love this forum and i love hearing and seeing new 3dfx stuff that gary comes up with, ty falconfly and ty gary, both of you have devoted alot of your time and money, more than i can even imagine to something you really like and it pays off for the rest of us, really ty both

all collectors collection was meant to keep 3dfx alive, every collectors collection is special no matter what size it may be or what's in it. don't need proto's to have something special it's allready special the way it is and alot of other collectors might think in the same way.

Gary has a very big collection and it's nice, but Money is one of the things we all know as the main thing to have, not all of us have as much money as those two.

My words are more doesn't mean more special, that might make others feel less, onwhich isn't the idea. we are one 3dfx community it actuall nice to see more collectors together than aside from each other.

sometimes i think things get lost in the english translation, i could care less about the size of anyones collection, its the sharing and info that gary brought about new or old cards that i liked, it doesnt take money to share about even the most run of the mill card, it takes the time and effort to hunt down and put together the info,thats more about time and effort than anything else, is that more understandable?
and one more thing, did gary ever mention how much money he has on this forum,? did i miss it? i thought i read he sold alot of stuff from something else he really likes to get cards, i hate it when ppl assume things about other ppl, some ppl in here spend money on lots of things other than 3dfx cards http://www.falconfly-central.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=offtopic;action=display;num=1107552361;start=0#0and some put most there money into them, really dont matter if you have 3 or 150, were all in the same hobby arent we?

wrote on 06.08.05 at 19:18:30:

i hate it when ppl assume things about other ppl

Hah!  :D  Yeah, there seems to be a lot of that going on around here ...  ::)


wrote on 05.08.05 at 19:55:08:

I believe his nerves exploded, with all the tension that's been and still is hanging around here! :(

wrote on 06.08.05 at 13:25:38:

why did i have the sense that some eternally dissatisfied envious people could be the reason why he leaves ?

wrote on 06.08.05 at 15:14:09:

That is exactly what I thought. (Example : Velocity 200, anyone? )

Best not to assume too much until you actually know all the facts (and that means EVERYONE's side of the story).  ;)

Let's move on ... as the 3dfx community always will.  :)

everybody be cool...you be cool!

sometimes it is better to shut up....it was gary's decision...and there is no need to find a guilty person for his decision! with things like that you can destroy a community!

these are just my two cents...pay gary some tribute if you want but DO NOT debase the situation! and the you in my post are for you all...for me too...

Gary shall be remembered as a memorial here :) that's for sure the whold Jedi Order shall remember him also :)

@ BFG3dfx
Everyone has thier own priorities in collecting, every 3dfx collection costed lot's of time and effort, we are all one big community so let's keep it that way, no one is worth less or worth more we are all but equal people just a hobby that's it period.

but no offence Gary's collection is big and it's great to see collections of that varriaty and size, rather impressive I must say, but it's as special as any other collection around here, that is what I'm pointing at, alot of other 3dfx collectors would agree here, Be Proud on what you have achieved everyone

[glb]Gary Donovan You shall always be Remembered in this wonderfull 3dfx Community[/glb]

obi-wan, i have np with you, you posted something right after me that i really didnt understand but seemed to be pointing my way, so i figured you must of mistunderstood what i had said, gary can take care of himself im sure, im not defending or taking anyones side, and i think if you like 3dfx 1 or 3 or 100 cards makes no difference that is why im not on the collectors list, i dont think there should be a limit cause some cant afford 10 cards or dont want 10, maybe they want just one card but love it, why divide ppl by how many they have if were all in the hobby together, as far as my post i stated that i wanted to thank gary and falconfly for what they have done, as i see it they have gone above and beyond with what they have provided, but hey thats how i feel, you may feel anyway you want, but i dont care to have a post make it sound like ive said something i didnt, ive never attacked anyone in this forum or gone outta my way to make another forum user feel bad, ive seen it happen quite often lately and if i wanted to see that bullshit id go over to x3dfx where they seem to think bashing ppl is cool, i like this place and dont wanna see it go down that road but some dont seem to care, im just done with it, now im just getting fed up with the whole thing and dont even wnat to get involed wit hit anymore, falconfly, gamma and many others, as obi-wan says may the force be with you all peace out.

Well where to start......Gary I appologise for using your pics. It was purely done out of ignorance of copyright laws etc...Even when I took the name off the pics it was still outta lack of understanding. I have only sold one thing on ebay too.. Im not only n00b to voodoo, but PC's and ebay as well...But I do appologise anyway...I  also appologise for bringing it here to you and all who are members here...When I posted the HELP thread I hadnt yet even put together that gdonovan and the person I posted their pics on ebay about were one in the same...Not until I went back to the websight did I understand that..Ive got a bit of a temper with people who come across crass/brash...But it might just be possible that your really not that way...Sometimes onling communication can be difficult...Face to face many things change..People in general arent so "tough", and bold then...lol...Gary I remember when I first came to this board and you, Falconfly and Pateince helped me get the right drivers for my voodoo3 2000...I appreciated you then, and I do now...Anyways bud Im sorry for all the crap on my part and hope you will stick it out here with your longtime friends... As you can see they want you right here bud...Anyway I dont need you to reply back as I am glad to have put thing as right as I can a mans way...later all..

It seems a lot of people who have posted within this topic are misunderstanding what others are posting, and what they are trying to say.

Before anything else kicks off, let's end this topic.  No arguments are wanted out of people simply misunderstanding another's words, so let's end it.

No worries BFG3dfx ;) my misunderstanding as well hehe

Hammer don't fuss about it, the past is the past and stop gett'n the old cows outa the creek hay, let's move on like a real 3dfx Community should be :)

Gary shall be remembered, and he is always welcome here like everybody else is ;)


May The Force Be With Us all, let's just move along.

I wasnt "fussing" gents, I was saying what I felt needed saying..I was taking responsibility for "ME" possibly being part of him leaving..So dont make any more out of it that that...

it's in some way interesting that some members are sure, that he's leaving us completely... he doesn't say that, cause he doesn't say anything...

yeah a possibility , oh well he may pop up one day and maybe not.

He has discision we have ours, let's just let it rest, and who knows what the future brings us.

@ Hammer , wasn't meant to tempar ya, but don't pull things back from the past it's kinda pointless now and abit late.


But whatever happens we shall see.

lol...why dont you folks pipe down...my message was for Gary and none other...sit back and YOU let it go!..Reminds me of a bunch a women in a salon gossiping about the latest poop in the neighborhood here...hehehe...relax life is to short..

You must do what is best ofcourse.


@ Janskjaer, you are right better to lock this one, it is gett'n outa hand.

@Hammer - Don't worry matey. You have not done anything wrong.  Nobody has.  Please don't worry about it bud.

@Obi - Good idea.  Although I'm not a moderator, I'll see what I can do. It's turning into a bit of a mix-up due to different angles of confusion. As I said, let's all cool it and move on!

yeps you've got point Thandor :) to move on is the thing to do, we must keep 3dfx alive!

First off, sorry for bringing this to the top of the list again. Just thought I'd say this though just incase Gary ends reading this as a guest or something. For the most part, I don't keep track of who said what on here, I generally don't post unless I'm looking for something specific or trying to help someone else, just don't have the time really, but I would like to thank Gary for of the suggestions he's given me along with some of the other guys on here. I'm happy that the heart of 3dfx still lives on with alot of people. If you look at the Kyro fans that are still out there (very very few now adays) (Also a big Kyro II fan, being it was the best option at the time that it came out as far as performance/looks go imo) and then look at the thriving 3DFX fans, it's amazing that we have this many people using cards that are more then 5/6 years old. Gary helped keep this going (not to mention Falcon, Patience, Obi and so many others). So best of luck in with getting on with your life Gary and take care. People change, priorities change, other things come up, it's what's called life. You have to move with the flow of things.


Take it easy man.
Later.

thanx for your great words jandarsun8   We shall keep the spirit of 3dfx alive as much as we can, Gary Donovan is a good ole friend of mine, he has lots of 3dfx based cards, he has the largest collection in the world afaik.

I still miss Gary as everyone else would do, he has kept the spirit quit high over here.

Gary please come back, there are many people that will always accept your presence.

;D

Nice post, last post!

;D

I heard we must "move on" without gdonovan now... is somebody gonna take "his place" here in the forum or something?

???

That would be a tough act to follow IMHO

no-one could even replace Gary, that is the impossible, well almost.

Being a moderator should to be a paid position as much work as you have to put into it. Find a good one, they're worth their weight in gold. Time and Dedication. Plus you need to maintain composure during adverse situations. You know, breaking up fights without getting your own butt kicked :o

It should be against the rules to attack a moderator on the forum >:(

If you have a problem, Take it off line ;)

No resolution, Take it up with the board owned :(

precisely, being a Moderrator, is something I just would want or Like, been an Admin at x-3dfx.com, the load was too much on my head, too many things go'n on at once and some other wierd stuff.

It's something not for me, you have to be prepaired for anything that comes your way and you have to be nutral, like not being on one's side and not on the other.

There must be a single strait neutral line in any case that occurs.

wrote on 14.08.05 at 21:28:50:

Being a moderator should to be a paid position as much work as you have to put into it. Find a good one, they're worth their weight in gold. Time and Dedication. Plus you need to maintain composure during adverse situations. You know, breaking up fights without getting your own butt kicked :o It should be against the rules to attack a moderator on the forum >:( If you have a problem, Take it off line ;) No resolution, Take it up with the board owned :(

A moderator needs to be tough and hard. Taking a forum offline is not the solution. Removing messages (or editing) is not good either (unless it's a very bad message :P). I prefer an edit without removing the original message but adding a message with a warning or something similar.
If you want to have a good forum : Everybody should agree with each other and be nice.
Unfortunatly this is not possible 24/7.
Well, if someone exceeds a rule, show 'm the forum rules.
If he/she/it doesn't listen give he/she/it a short term ban. If that doesn't work simply ban him/her/it.

If someone is banned he/she/it knew he/she/it was wrong since he/she/it already received a warning ánd a short-term ban.
This will look like strict moderating, but sometimes that's neccesary.
_{Of course you'll need standard forum rules to apply this. A discussion must be possible since it could be interesting.
But a discussion knows it's limits, no personal attack or whatsoever...}

Well, this is my opinion  ::) :P

exactly, also something that should of taken place else where....

anyways, Thandor is right, When I was Admin, I was prommised to get that acces, but it never came, so I was rather in a very cippeled situation.

Anyway that time has pased now, not of importance to me anymore, but it's still a good example of what can happen when in a crippled way of things, that wasn't pleasant for the Administration team as other users within the Forum.


Anyway, Maybe I was alittle too strict on things, I come from a strict life hehe, that is also an example of taking it too personal, so being an Admin nor Moderator takes lot's of skill to get things go'n in a neutral and stait line, keep out the fights, keep in the peace, keep it runn'n strait.

From what I have learned from being a Moderator and an Administrator, is that if you know hoe the system should work, it doesn't mean You now if it will work out and also it's doesn't mean you know how to BE an Administrator nor Moderator.

And Mr.G Donovan was one of the very few that knew the system on how it works and what was possible and what was not.

I was just thinking that maybe now FF has got too much work on this board... don't know, tought maybe our admin might have needed some more support and help.

???

Nah, from an Admin point of view, this Forum has (mostly) been almost absolutely trouble-free.

Apart from a downtime caused by complete technical incompetence of a "not-to-be-mentioned ex-Co-Admin" (and I don't mean Gary), it never caused me too much work.

That's really the point I like best being Admin, for as long as it just works, it means no workload *g*

Community-wise, only two people managed to earn an eternal ban (which was well-deserved in both cases), so that's not too bad either.

Summing it all up, the Forum only had minor and infrequent times where it requires actual Moderation and even less often actual Admin intervention. Comparing it to other places, I'd even say it did quite well so far, I've seen alot worse happening elsewhere...

Still, I do intend to have the "Community" run the show (at least to the max. extend possible) and I won't be seen posting too often, since that's IMHO how it gives the highest Quality (diversity of opinions and offered Solutions to various questions).

Since I wouldn't want it to be a one-man show or even people being afraid to oppose my opinion just because of that "Admin" Tag (which I tried to remove numerous times but never managed to without screwing up the Forum :P ), I just keep my postings at a minimum and rather remain a silent observer until specifically being asked or something too interesting pops up and gets me to post...

It's true though, that I don't have as much time as I used to, work keeps me busy enough and often enough in my free time I plain prefer to just keep things running on the technical side but that's about it.

i'm late reading this thread... :-[


but, gary has changed to guest's profile, i guess why not be just a member....

anyone know if gary has posted a "final" post?, or if he is still posting as guest?

because it's weird, in general, most of the users that "leaves" a forum, have posted (or have told it to a friend) a comment about it; so everybody will know about his/her decision....


PS: my english is not good, as usual  :-/
PPS: we miss (and will miss, if your decision is to leave the 3dfx's forums) your nice words gary  :'(
i hope he will be back, he is a great guy!  :)

wrote on 16.08.05 at 00:50:49:

Still, I do intend to have the "Community" run the show (at least to the max. extend possible) and I won't be seen posting too often, since that's IMHO how it gives the highest Quality (diversity of opinions and offered Solutions to various questions). Since I wouldn't want it to be a one-man show or even people being afraid to oppose my opinion just because of that "Admin" Tag

Amen.  :)   Spoken like a TRUE Admin / Moderator.  ;D

@ Gab :)

Everyone has thier way of leaving, some leave notes behind and some keep silence without leaving a note ;) Don't worry we are going to be fine, Gary was a great man here, he shall always be remembered imho.

But, FalconFly, it doesn't mean you have to "hide"!

;)

I don't hide, just 'observe'... small but subtle difference ;D

(call me a "sentinel" if you like ;) )

lol, how about Max from the black hole haha ::)

That's actually more close to reality that you might have thought...

just like a great observayor dude :P nah just kidd'n there FalconFly ;)

most Jedi would do the same, just keep an eye of things with out being seen .

@Falconfly - deadly shadow! 8)

...LOL! ;D

As long as you don't fall asleep because of just sitting there and "observing"...

;D

probably fall asleep because of all the work he's got on!  ;)

Yep, if anyone's interested in 70-100 hour weeks of work, go for it and try for yourself ;)

wrote on 19.08.05 at 22:30:58:

Yep, if anyone's interested in 70-100 hour weeks of work, go for it and try for yourself ;)

That's a lot of time :o

Well I'm home everyday 24/7. I would like to give it a go, though I may need some assistance ;)

Between 70 and 100 hours of work per week for this forum?

:o

This is about 85 hours of work every week.

A week has 24*7=168 hours.

If you work 85 hours you have 168-85=83 hours left.

If you sleep about 9 hours every night, you would have 83-(9*7)=83-63=20 hours left.

20 hours mean about two days not thinking about this forum.

Is it?

???

*rofl*

No, I'm speaking about my job there, not the Forum.
As I wrote earlier, it only seldomly causes any problems...

;D

Than my theory about "active adults" is correct: only the week-end is left!

:P

for me everyday is like a Saturday :P LoL ;D

I have all the time in the world really, but if there's help needed I'm ready for action. 8)

With that much time on your hands, I'll dig up the winner on the D2 mission builders contest and email it to you ;)

4 Levels complete with mission briefings ;D

@Obi-Wan: aren't you doing anything at the moment?

I maybe new here to you guys, but I before I'd often visit 3dfx sites, just for a glimpse of this great classic technology.

I couldn't imagine the world without 3DFX sites still going. I don't know if FalconFly knows how much I apreciate him still keeping his site alive and with helpfull advice.

You guys don't know me to well, but I have a heart. I miss it when well respected or helpfull people leave.

And especially now, I will be much more intouch. The reason is because I can't partition my hard drive and install windows 9x. I have a SATA drive. So I bought an old Pentium 3, 450Mhz P6BX-A+ motherboard, a 16mb STB Voodoo 3 3000 AGP, 3x pc100 128mb single sided non ecc ram.

So basically I need you guys, to help guide me through this unexplored territory, and I need you guys to be my friends. In real life my aquatences drink themselves stupid, and girls look at me and make that face like he's to ugly so I better upchuck look. :sigh:
So I socialize online, as no one in my crummy city will listen. Maybe it's because it's the worst economic city in the US.

you know FalconFly if there's anything I can do to help, let me know. I can scan stuff for you, or if you want, I can make a copy of the Voodoo 1 Diamond Monster 3D cd for you. I know I'm having a hell'of'a time finding the driver CD for STB voodoo 3 3000 agp. I know the drivers section, but I always feel the most secure with the driver cd.
Talee'Oh -later

wrote on 21.08.05 at 03:59:33:

for me everyday is like a Saturday :P LoL ;D I have all the time in the world really, but if there's help needed I'm ready for action. 8)

::)

http://www.freeonlinegames.com/play/2475.html

lol that was easy ;D it took me 40 minutes, I took my time for that one hehe :)

Anyways a Moderator for this would wouldn't be such a badidea afterall.

@Lucidtomr

Please open a separate Thread on that Computer Problem, I'm sure there'll be enough folks to help (but certainly won't find it hidden in this thread)

Welcome to the home of 3dfx Lucidtomr!
Yes, start a new topic, will be easier for other members to get to know your request.

A moderator? I love being a moderator!

;D <--- very clean teeth

wrote on 21.08.05 at 07:23:39:

@Obi-Wan: aren't you doing anything at the moment?

He's prolly playing that D2 Mission I sent him ;D

Link me up. I like to visit your forum ;)

Well I am 100% Disapproved, so that won't get me back  to a local job.

So I keep myself on the go at Home, playing Music like Sting & The Police, St.Germain, DJ-Tiesto, Bob Marley & The Whalers, Hall & Oats, all sorts of stuff, practice them on my keyboard and playing games on my PC's , sometimes I and Help at the Local PC store, helping people out of thier Computer myseries, really some clients can be n00by from time to time, when they leave we have to laugh at times lol, they say that there PC is broken, well if they just switch in the PSU it works like a Nissan Sunny with gas :)

But yeah as the days go on, you get used to the things that you are doing, life get's wierd, but that should make you feel like there is no other option, oh well I will survive, learn't lot in this Forum, would be a shame not to be here hehe.

For Gary, well he's been a real great man here, a Salute to  him would be highly accepted. He really helped and learn't us lot of thingies and stuff. I know we would like to have Gary back as I would that would be a dream, but I think that we should be free to dream things :)

@ Gamm742, wow new Descent2 Levels cool can't wait to get them ;)

@ Everyone else, let's keep this place cozey and enjoyable, I've seen many forums go to waiste also, And now I'm gonna listen to some DUB :) from St.Germain ;)

May The Force Be With You...Always,

Ben Kenobi.

I was just saying how I miss it when good people leave, and how important and valuable people are.

I guess I worded it wrong or I was misunderstood.  :(

wrote on 22.08.05 at 03:11:23:

I guess I worded it wrong or I was misunderstood.  :(

Your post sounded Okay to me. I was just heading over to the tech support section to see if you needed any help with your SATA drives. :)

I mean, as long as there are no odd guys coming here like "go check my incredibly advanced Linux Kernel" (I loved that one!), nothing can go TERRIBLY wrong here.
It's a forum about magic things, very few people are interested in this, but when they do, they're almost everytime cool people (like we, that was my point).
If Gary hadn't quit, maybe things would have gotten worse and worse, speaking about -I don't know- his relations with other members for example. Probably he tought it was better to leave and this is a sign of cleverness. We just lost the Spielberg of 3dfx, but we have other geniuses... and he might come back after all!

if Gary stayed, the difference would of been unclear, it really depends on how it would pack out in a certain point of view, I personally think it would of been good if he stayed, but the difference would even be noticable. Gary was and always will be the Graff of 3dfx to me.

That's what I guessed he was here, even if I didn't know him at all.

;)

We should see it like this:

Gary has been here for quite some time, and we have learnt lots from him, we all have had our ups and downs, but that is very normal in life hehe.

We should see that as a good thing, and we shall keep this place alive with or without him. If he comes back he will do that when he feels the time is right. we shouldn't worry my friends, it's gonna be okay.

He shall be remembered as a very Important 3dfx memember and a good and loyal friend from far.

May The Force Be With You, My 3dfx Jedi Friends

Friendly regards,

Obi-Wan Kenobi. 8)

Things sure have slowed down here since he left. I find myself straying to other boards now looking for interesting 3dfx posts.

I consider myself lucky as he and I keep in touch. I spoke to him this morning on the phone. He's doing well, still collecting as I'm sure you well amagined. He sent me a pic of his most recent purchase. It came with and very large power supply 8)

I'm sure he will be updating his web page soon ;D

wrote on 27.08.05 at 21:24:50:

I consider myself lucky as he and I keep in touch. I spoke to him this morning on the phone.

;D

who? oh do tell :o

wrote on 29.08.05 at 14:29:26:

who? oh do tell :o

please leave, you're not being so serious right?  optievuh.

Actually, if anyone hasn't already noticed - Gary has a NEW admin account... ::)

...he didn't leave, he was just 'on holiday'... ;)

hehe well he did leave for a reason, but that reason should be very clear, now that that resason has been deleted, he's back ;) But for me this is very old news.

But anyways I have been monitor'n his moves for the last few weeks, and I think he had a connection with Caravel, also a Dark Member, he was the spammer which had many names like "The Doctor" & "Reverend Brother Poquelin" , that was all the same user aka Caravel.

So Caravel tried to defend himself with the excuse that , those users was his little cousin, well I was thinking nice play mate but you can't run from the truth this time..., And I told FalconFly, this happening, and I was right in a way. So he was watched also, I sensed within the Force that Caravel as Janskjaer would fail, and they did, mostly the of the cause was Betrail.

Anyways the threats have been removed, lets keep our minds clear from that ;)

Gary is back and here to stay, so this topic has no more good for use as far as I can see it hehe.