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AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ?
17.04.04 at 18:30:29

It may sound a daft question to many who have already tried it, but do Operating Systems such as Win98, Win2000 and Linux, really work in a stable condition, on a system using an AthlonXP CPU?

I ask this because I plan to build my 3dfx GlideBox using a 2700+ AthonXP CPU, but only intend to install a dual boot of Win98 and Win2000 on the system for better stability and compatibility with the 3dfx GPU range.

Is there anyone who has tried this scenario, and can tell me if it works or not?

I'm sure it would, right? I just thought the architecture of the CPU had been altered to better suit WinXP.
If anybody knows the details, do they know what was changed in order to make it more suitable for the WinXP OS, as I read it somewhere ages ago, but I've forgot. Roll Eyes

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Re: AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ?
Reply #1 - 17.04.04 at 19:14:49

Allo mate! Wink

You'll find that a LOT of us use an AthlonXP without using Windows XP. Cheesy

I myself use WinMe in my main rig, which is an AthlonXP 2400+. Grin

Note that the 'XP' on the AthlonXP has absolutely NO RELATION to the O.S. that is being run on the machine! Roll Eyes

So, yup...those O.S.'s you listed should run NO PROBS! 8)

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DenisF Senior Member Offline So fluffy it hurts Posts: 409 Israel Gender:	Re: AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ? Reply #2 - 18.04.04 at 01:35:06 The whole 'athlonxp - optimized for windows xp' (and vice-versa) thing is pure marketing bullshît.
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Reply #3 - 18.04.04 at 04:27:27

The "XP" in "AthlonXP" = "Windows XP". Wink

And yes it's "...pure markieting B/S..." very true.

An Athlon is still to all intents and puproses an x86 clone however, and will function perfectly with Win9x/NT (Win32) and UNIX/Linux systems. The idea about them being overheating, "pre-overclocked", unstable, "cheap copies" though, is old news, anyone that comes out with that these days is critically behind the times. If you do go for an Athlon do avoid the Palomino and Thoroughbred A cores, they don't overclock well and the do run a bit too hot for my liking (yes sometimes, like with everything, the bas press can be partly true.)

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amp_man Ex Member	Re: AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ? Reply #4 - 18.04.04 at 06:48:39 methinks that the biggest difference between a non-XP athlon and an Athlon XP is the Quantispeed stuff that makes 'em faster at lower clock speeds
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Reply #5 - 20.04.04 at 10:07:51

Actually, the "XP" from "Athlon XP" was from "eXtreme Performance". Some people forgot this...

Anyway, Athlon XP has some very good improvements albeit the vastly known one is solely the PR (Performance rating the "3200+" thing, not the real frequency). This has lead to many problems because both "3200+" CPU's looked the same, but the L2 was different for one of them. Both were having the same "Athlon XP 3200+" label.

And to a certain degree, I see the "XP" as a marketing sollution. However, I've heard the link between "Athlon XP" and Windows XP only as a joke. I suppose very few people belived this "rumor". But HT and Pentium 4 wasn't the same?

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Reply #6 - 20.04.04 at 12:06:18

officially, there's no connection between the os and the cpu...officially but you all know better, don't you? Grin

and yes, pure marketing bullsh*t. but you should know (and you may know already) that the newest os offers best support for newest hardware technology. so me experienced a speed-up going from win2k to winxp, as there is better support for athlonxp's sse1 tech (called 3dnow professional) & others.
well, to the performance rating:
heard amd benches the cpus with a suite of some 20 benchmarks or so & then categorizes da crap..the name, e.g. 2400+, means the cpu is as fast as a thunderbird fsb133 (the last non-xp athlon) @ 2.4ghz. mh, sometimes right, sometimes i wonder wtf amd tries to proof w/ it.

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Reply #7 - 20.04.04 at 13:44:45

Windows XP is using more CPU when running than Windows 2000, even without all the things set by default. The performance gain might not be that big afterall, when using Windows XP. I also expected to see a Software OpenGL (MesaGL) running faster on Windows XP, but in fact it run marginally lower than on Windows 98 SE(1 fps faster on Windows 98) on all tests.

Thus the discussion is still open whenever for the CPU alone, you get something better or not when moving from Windows 98 SE or Windows 2000 to Windows XP.

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Micha Senior Member Offline Got milk? Posts: 317 Gender:	Re: AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ? Reply #8 - 21.04.04 at 08:44:24 definitely, you get something better when moving from 98se to xp, no matter. well, i agree win98 might be better for not-up-to-date h/w setups, but new stuff runs better on winxp
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Reply #9 - 21.04.04 at 14:30:22

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The whole 'athlonxp - optimized for windows xp' (and vice-versa) thing is pure marketing bullshît.

Yes, I agree. These are my thoughts exactly and the reasons as to the AthlonXP's release was to coin-in on the release of Windows XP. Pure marketing strategy.

I didn't doubt in my mind whether the CPU's would run or not with a different OS, more along the lines of the advantages and performance gains with the AthlonXP on a WinXP machine.
I also wanted to know if anyone had experienced serious software or hardware issues when running an older OS (Win98, Win2000, WinME) on the AthlonXP CPU.

I don't know the technicalality of it, but why won't Win95 run on an AthlonXP? ???
All I've been told is, is that it won't! Roll Eyes

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Reply #10 - 21.04.04 at 14:46:22

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definitely, you get something better when moving from 98se to xp, no matter. well, i agree win98 might be better for not-up-to-date h/w setups, but new stuff runs better on winxp

I totally agree with you here Micha, as this is the reason why I would like to run older OS' on my new AthlonXP machine.
The purpose of my 3dfx GlideBox is to run (mainly older, 3dfx-era) games and benchmarking runs for my entire collection of 3dfx cards.
It will not need to utilise any new software or hardware as the system will be running 1997-2002 age software/hardware. Wink

I just wanted to gain bacground info before starting to install the older OS' on the new machine.

Thanks guys & gals! 8)

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Reply #11 - 21.04.04 at 14:53:55

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I also wanted to know if anyone had experienced serious software or hardware issues when running an older OS (Win98, Win2000, WinME) on the AthlonXP CPU.

i did...winxp runs my cpu (see my specs) faster than win2000. well, sometimes it even ran slower tha w/ my ol' athlon 1GHz..(there was a mainboard problem, as well..resolved by bying a new one Grin

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I don't know the technicalality of it, but why won't Win95 run on an AthlonXP? ???
All I've been told is, is that it won't! Roll Eyes

it's way tooooo old. you know, the o/s must support a cpu as well, i.e. it needs some drivers (as for every other component). & win95 doesn't has these drivers...maybe M$ coders were too lazy or maybe the o/s core doesn't allow those drivers, who knows..?

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Reply #12 - 21.04.04 at 14:56:51

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The purpose of my 3dfx GlideBox is to run (mainly older, 3dfx-era) games and benchmarking runs for my entire collection of 3dfx cards.
It will not need to utilise any new software or hardware as the system will be running 1997-2002 age software/hardware. Wink

well winxp is 2001 software, ya know...i suppose you do best w/ win2000+sp4

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DenisF Senior Member Offline So fluffy it hurts Posts: 409 Israel Gender:	Re: AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ? Reply #13 - 21.04.04 at 14:57:43 One comes to think that win95 + dx9 would run it But you can't really slipstream anything into non-NT systems.. uhm.. bleh bugger win95, win98 pwnz it
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janskjaer Ex Member	Re: AlthonXP CPU's really useable on non XP OS' ? Reply #14 - 21.04.04 at 15:03:09 Win95 was never an option anyway! You're right though, why have 95, when you can have 98? It just puzzled me as to why some technicians I know, said Win95 wouldn't work on an AthlonXP rig, as I didn't know the details as to why, because they never said.
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