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Message started by gdonovan on 22.06.05 at 01:16:59

Title: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 22.06.05 at 01:16:59
Yes, I am going to start on my V6K FAQ page soon and I'm looking for all manner of information. Rumors, facts, revisions, board numbers made, technical info, etc, the whole 9 yards!

If you have any links to info nuggets from former 3dfx people talking about the cards, odd reviews on the web, private snippets here and there please let me know.

Gary

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by edmundoab on 22.06.05 at 07:09:30
I believe any sort of information i have would be on google too, which you have already browse it many times.
but i'll try , like everyone else  ;D

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 22.06.05 at 13:29:51
Yes, I have browsed the 'net many times along with actually being  "there" the first time around  ;D

But there is always something missed or some private bit traded via e-mail that makes part of a good story.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 23.06.05 at 14:55:26
well I do have this sweet info for ya Gary, how 3dfx got to the idea od the V56K, on what happened before it and after it ;) :

hehe about 400 were made and about a mere 37 are found working.

well here is how the Voodoo5 6000 came to it's point.

Voodoo3 1000 8MB SGRAM Strech test board for V56K power supply:
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album81/mini_IMG_2963_crop.thumb.jpg

That card was used to test the the amount of power needed to power the Voodoo5 6000 ;) gdonovan owns this device., and he owns way more wierd stuff, here our 3dfx albumsite, thanx to Surrimugge's wishfullness by creating that site, also a very good member from The Jedi Order ;)

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/3dfx_collectors

here the link to most wierdest finds ever:

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/album81

I hope you will enjoy them :)


The Voodoo3 strech has the layout of a Velocity-100
here the Velocity 100:
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/falconfly_voodoo3/3dfx_velocity100_front.thumb.jpg
I'm asumeing it has 8MB 5,5ns SGRAM and do you see that white power connector plug above it's VGA out?
That would of been the power connector plug for the Comdex Voodoo5 6000 2x2 design, it fits perfectly in the empty spot above it's VGA out;)
here is what I meant this plug:
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album81/power_board_connector.thumb.jpg

here is how I found that, here the streched Voodoo3 Circuit Test Board for Voodoo5 6000 with the white power connector plug above VGA and the front section the layout of that Velocity-100 i mentioned earlier ;):

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album81/mini_IMG_2963_crop.thumb.jpg

and here the 2x2 V56K Rev.A0 41-4999 Comdex card :
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/falconfly_voodoo5/3dfx_voodoo5_6000agp_2x2_display_comdex99_front.thumb.jpg

and here the precise spot for that white power plug:
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/falconfly_voodoo5/3dfx_voodoo5_6000agp_2x2_display_comdex99_leftdetail.thumb.jpg

anyway, the 2x2 design would of been to expensive so they had to come with something else, so they desinged this type of PCB the Rev.A0.0700:

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album81/P3173151G.thumb.jpg

and the Rev.A0 0700 with chips and Voodoo Volts External 80 watt PSU:
http://home.tiscali.be/Voodoo_Clan/voodoo/images/V5-6000final2.jpg

and which was followed by the Rev.A1 1500 model with a better circuit layout, though burnouts still occured with the Voodoo Volts, an internal power linkup would of been a better sollution.:



anyway the Intel boards wern't so stable, they had alot of burnouts, which led to other probelms, the Intel Bridge chip wasn't sufficiant enough, so another design for the bridge chip was needed, to let VSA-100's 3 & 4 communicate better and stabler with Chips 1 & 2, so the HiNT chip was designed and made from which the Voodoo5 6000 Rev.A2 2600 came to be a better design, some versions had 5.4 ns SDRAM at 166 to 183Mhz, frikkn'n fast, that's 11.4 to 12.8 GB per sec!! in memory bandwidth 8O

here the Rev.A2 2600 model:
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/collectors_rolo01/11030005_G.thumb.jpg

after the Rev.A2 series 3dfx came with the Rev.A3 series aka the Rev.A3 3400 with 5.4ns Ram and cores/mem @ 183Mhz, a Rev.A3 3500 with 6ns 166Mhz ram and cores also at 166Mhz and a Rev.A3 3700 with a better circuit layout, a remake of the unstable rav.A3 3400.

here a pic of the Rev.A3 3400:


and after that 3dfx finally made a final Revision of the Voodoo5 6000 , the Rev.A 3700 with PCI Rework by the famous 3dfx VSA-100 chief designer Hank Semenic also a True Jedi Master within the Jedi Order:
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/V5-6K-3700-A/DSCN0344.thumb.jpg

after the Rev.A 3700 they made a Rev.A 3900 with a 12 layer PCB instead of the standard 10 layer PCB, they did that to improve Stabillity, though it was rather Overkill. here a photo of a Rev.A 3900 with it's external PSU of 50Watts, normally a PCI Rework with Internal Hookup wouyld of been the most obvious way for uset, the external PSU's are very unstable, and they can burn out the card sometimes imedietly, which can be risky at times.
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album81/v6k_3900_overhead.thumb.jpg
and here a very nice Review of the Final Voodoo5 6000 AGP 128MB Rev.A 3700 :) It is in Germain though.

sorry that my Pics are a bit big, but just to be precise in detail :)

http://members.aon.at/grandadmiralthrawn/index.htm?http://www.hardoverclock.org/html/reviews/3dfx_voodoo5_6000_agp/v5-6000_3.htm

well after all this 3dfx was go'n down hill like a stone, and they cancelled the Voodoo5 6000 project formely called Napalm 6000, and they continued on the Rampge project aka 3dfx Spectre.

here 1 of the only 3 3dfx Spectre 1000 AGP 32MB DDR SGRAM 128Bit.:
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/3dfxrampage/3dfx_rampage_011.thumb.jpg

thanx to these photo's I hopely solved a very long waited mystery, and May The Force Be With Us to solve lots more.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 23.06.05 at 16:26:26

wrote on 23.06.05 at 14:55:26:
hehe about 400 were made and about a mere 37 are found working.


This is very far from being correct- A few hundred of each revision were made (known exception Intel, 100+)with Hank estimating the 3700 series alone being in the several hundreds range.

My estimate for total made is in the 1400 range and chances are this might be low.


Quote:
anyway, the 2x2 design would of been to expensive so they had to come with something else, so they desinged this type of PCB the Rev.A0.0700:


The 2 x 2 design was never meant for production, cost had nothing to due with it. Due to the placement of the chips and the pinout for functions it would have been about impossible to make work. It was done for something to show the press at Comdex '99, no more no less.


Quote:
anyway the Intel boards wern't so stable, they had alot of burnouts, which led to other probelms, the Intel Bridge chip wasn't sufficiant enough, so another design for the bridge chip was needed


The problem with the Intel bridge chip was it would not work with intel motherboards, due to a mistake (bug) on Intels part.


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after that 3dfx finally made a final Revision of the Voodoo5 6000 , the Rev.A 3700 with PCI Rework by the famous 3dfx VSA-100 chief designer Hank Semenic


1) The 3700A wasn't the final revision, there is a 3900A and there *might* be one after that but it's still being looked into.

2) The PCI rework isn't suitable for production and would have been never been used on production boards.

3) Hank wasn't the chief V6K designer, the Daytona was his main project.


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a Rev.A 3900 with a 12 layer PCB instead of the standard 10 layer PCB, they did that to improve Stabillity


Still speculation, I still don't know why the board has 12 layer PCB.


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with it's external PSU of 50Watts,


55 watts.


Quote:
the external PSU's are very unstable, and they can burn out the card sometimes imedietly, which can be risky at times.


Speculation and even then on the early four pin bricks, the power supplies did see extensive testing before use so I find second hand reports of bricks frying boards dubious.

All the brick has to do is supply 12v+, not hard to do.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 23.06.05 at 16:45:50
oh well it's the way I heard mostly, I wrote down on what I've heard from other 3dfx users.at first I thought that the external PSU was 80 watt :-X abit off course I suppose, anyway roughly my explanation of the V56K is correct.

It does link together in one one, from the Velocity model to that streched V31K circuit test boar, to all other V56K models :)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 23.06.05 at 17:11:34

wrote on 23.06.05 at 16:45:50:
I thought that the external PSU was 80 watt


The early unit is 120 watts, the later 55 watts. These are from *maximum ratings* specs right off the bricks so they are very solid numbers.

They are not to be confused as to what the boards actually pull while under load and never forget some voltage is used from the AGP circuits too.


Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Chosen_One on 23.06.05 at 21:48:43
55W? in several interviews the 3dfx employees said 50W...

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 23.06.05 at 22:43:37

wrote on 23.06.05 at 21:48:43:
55W? in several interviews the 3dfx employees said 50W...


The information is right off the side of the unit.

BTW the current rating for the early bricks is double!

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Rolo01 on 23.06.05 at 23:19:36
I remember Hank gave some insider infos here :
http://p068.ezboard.com/bvoodoo56000resourcegroup
But the threads seem to be gone, its all empty, very weird...

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 24.06.05 at 02:23:54
I saved all Hanks posts from the V5-6000 forum several months ago  ;D


Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Rolo01 on 24.06.05 at 09:39:59
Thats good to know, thank you Gary.
I was afraid that info was lost...

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Gemail on 24.06.05 at 10:44:41

wrote on 24.06.05 at 02:23:54:
I saved all Hanks posts from the V5-6000 forum several months ago  ;D

If so, could you paste them here? Might be interesting for others like me who never got the chance to read Hank's info's. Thanks.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 24.06.05 at 13:59:43

wrote on 24.06.05 at 10:44:41:
If so, could you paste them here?


No need, they will all be posted on the new V6K FAQ page when completed.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by paulpsomiadis on 25.06.05 at 02:28:51
There 'used' to be the "V5 6000 resource group" (link on Falcon's links page)... :-/

...but the link goes nowhere now!!! :'(

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 25.06.05 at 03:22:29
yeah this one :

http://p068.ezboard.com/bvoodoo56000resourcegroup

the one Rolo01 mentioned earlier, I got no results , but norries Gary got all the most important info from the topics of that site, we're in good hands, the Force is still with us. ;)

I'm still wondering if there were any more Voodoo5 6000 Proto's like a Rev.A 4000 maybe there is one lurking one araound as an unknown card, I still have the feeling that we haven't seen all of the cards yet, the V3 Circuit board and V56K Rev.A0 0700 with no chips on it was also an amazing discovery out of the blank.

So Maybe there is more, let's hope that anyway.


Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 02.07.05 at 19:05:39
Anyone? No nugget of info or trivia too small! Every little bit helps. Specs, technical data, small bits of private info, interviews, posts by ex-3dfx, anything!

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by hurtz on 04.07.05 at 20:04:53
Greetings,

A retro-test of V5 6000.

http://www.x86-secret.com/articles/divers/v5-6000/v56kgb-1.htm

hope it hasn't been posted before.

cheers. :)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 05.07.05 at 00:27:40
did you get this pic Gary:

Voodoo5 6000 2x2 card with Prototype cooling


Voodoo5 6000 AGP 128MB Rev.A 3700 in AGP to PCI slot


and here a greaty interview, okay it is German, but there is some nice info in it:

http://www.hardoverclock.org/html/reviews/3dfx_voodoo5_6000_agp/v5-6000_1.htm
I hope I made you abit happy :)

May The Force Be With You...Always, Gary

Friendly Regards,

Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 05.07.05 at 12:58:27
Thanks for the pics, the one with heatsinks I grabbed off 3dfxzone I think already.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 05.07.05 at 17:58:55
Yeah norries Gary , I wasn't so sure about the first photo, any talking about the 6000 cards, how does the Rev.A 3900 perform, just like an ordinary Rev.A 3700 or is it more stable at higher resolutions with greater loads?


by the way, my last post in this topic, might be helpfull also:
http://www.falconfly-central.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=news;action=display;num=1116829212;start=15#15

regards,

Obi-Wan Kenobi

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 12.07.05 at 18:26:45
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/v6k_faq.htm

benchmarks will be on a new page in a week or two, this one is large enough as it is.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 12.07.05 at 18:50:57
Oh Gary I found something for you that must be in your Voodoo5 6000 FAQ:

Omega_Supreme showed me it, it seemed to be an axternal Power suply for Rev.A1 & Rev.A2  series cards:
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album204/Helse_Voodoo5_6000_Rev_A1_kabeltje_piieuww.thumb.jpg

P.S. You forgot to put my name at the bottom of your special thanx section of your Voodoo5 6000 page ;)


Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Thandor on 12.07.05 at 18:58:18
Nice FAQ, Gary ;D

I noticed two (three ?) small mistakes. (Both located near the Motherboard compatibility list)

Quote:
Here are a list of motherboards that have been sent it by readers, note that I have not tested these so can't say for sure. Please double check before proceeding!

here are = here is :? I'm not sure, but "here is" sounds better to me ;)
it = in

Quote:
ECS K7VTA3 VIA KT333 AMD system

As far as I know the ECS K7VTA3 basically exists in 8  revisions. (Rev 3. and 3.1 are basically rev3)
Until a year ago I had an ECS K7VTA3 Rev2 with had a VIA KT266A. The newest revision contains a VIA KT333CF northbridge.
When looking at the ECS site I see that ECS is talking about AGP8x support and AGP4x support.

The 3rd revision of the ECS K7VTA3 contains a VIA KT333 northbridge. The second an KT266A.

I'm not sure about the first rivision, it must have either a KT266 or a KT266A.

Maybe it's advisable to add the following:

Quote:
ECS K7VTA3 Rev3 and up -  VIA KT333 - AMD system

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 12.07.05 at 19:17:26
Thanks, I was hoping for a slew of more info and corrections once the page was up!

I'll upload a new page in a few days as more info presents itself, spelling, motherboard info and credit errors fixed.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 12.07.05 at 19:24:00

wrote on 12.07.05 at 18:50:57:
Oh Gary I found something for you that must be in your Voodoo5 6000 FAQ:

Omega_Supreme showed me it, it seemed to be an axternal Power suply for Rev.A1 & Rev.A2  series cards:


Omega_Supreme: Any chance of a better picture, part number of plug perhaps?

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Chosen_One on 12.07.05 at 19:40:22
1.
if you want you can write a little bit about the universal useable bios! you gave me 0.27 & 0.32 of the v5 6k bios. but you found them on your v5 5500 dual vga and you said something about useing 6k-bios on v4-prototypes...

2.
oldest bios: 15. jan. 2000
latest bios: 5. oct. 2000

3.
i talked to larry coffey (bios programmer of elpin systems)
he said to me that 3dfx had their own bios programmers for their last chip generation (vsa-100...i guess he thought of this chip)...
unfortunatelly he seems to be very busy or on vacation...maybe i will get a few more answer ;)

if i can find something else i will contact you ;)

and of course: great faq!

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Rolo01 on 12.07.05 at 19:43:40
Hey Gary,
that external power supply cable was made by a friend of mine, it is completely home made. So no serial or part number.
My friend built this one for me at a time when I was looking for a way to power up my 6000. Soon after that VMan repaired my 6000 and soldered the terminals on.
I sent that cable to a guy named Enrico in the german voodooalert.de forum, he was looking for a way to power up his Intel Rev. 6000.
But I think he never used it, as far as I know he sold his 6000 soon...

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Chosen_One on 12.07.05 at 20:06:41
an anonymous buyer paid about 1200 US$...sold in may 2004! but i have no idea who bought it...

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by edmundoab on 12.07.05 at 20:50:22
that name sounds so familiar,
was he in oschkar's website of V5 6000 collectors?

oh well, sounds like a decent price for the buyer who paid 1,200

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 12.07.05 at 22:35:03

wrote on 12.07.05 at 19:40:22:
1.
if you want you can write a little bit about the universal useable bios! you gave me 0.27 & 0.32 of the v5 6k bios. but you found them on your v5 5500 dual vga and you said something about useing 6k-bios on v4-prototypes...


Hmm, I'll look into adding a section mentioning the board bios in one way or another and making note that they may have a "common" base.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 12.07.05 at 22:41:41

wrote on 12.07.05 at 19:43:40:
Hey Gary,
that external power supply cable was made by a friend of mine, it is completely home made.


A different way to do things, perhaps I'll make one up for a later board and see how it works. Might be easier to do then an internal hookup and more options are always nice to have.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by osckhar on 13.07.05 at 00:37:39
Voodoo5 6000 on eBay:

The auction more cheaper on ebay;
08/12/02
Iwelliuws bought one V6k rev 3700 for 390€


The auction more expensive on ebay:
31/03/2003
agent600 bought his v6k for 1410€


Oscar

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gamma742 on 13.07.05 at 00:48:31
Not every V5 6K sold on ebay is functional.

Even at that, I've seen some non-functional 6000 fetch a pretty good price.


Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 13.07.05 at 01:01:15
and that can be painfull for the pocketbook :-X I sense that hehe

Anyway I found some very nice pics of some Rev.A2 2600's for your FAQ page, might be usefull :)

Here's a nice High Res photo of a 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP 128MB Rev.A2 2600 card:
http://home.pages.at/s-k-1/V56K/1_klein.jpg

and here a closeup of it's fans:
http://home.pages.at/s-k-1/V56K/2_klein.jpg

and here a Voodoo5 6000 Rev.A2 2600 with the old 3dfx Voodoo Volts external PSU:
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album204/v56k_Rev_A2_2600_with_external_PSU.thumb.jpg

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by edmundoab on 13.07.05 at 05:33:20
hmm, now that would have made more sense with voodoo volts,

mine had this Power supply rework done and I wonder how good it is myself LOL

not as long as the cable attached for the 3700s

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 13.07.05 at 18:39:47
Just wanted to shoot out another thank you to the people who contributed to the V6K FAQ page.

The response from the FalconFly board members by far has been the largest and I could not have done such a complete page without everyones help.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 13.07.05 at 19:03:29
Norries Gary, we are very happy to help you, afterall we all all big hobbists and big Fans, so doing something to joy others is one of my favourite things to do.

The Force Is Strong in this place, I can deeply sense that deeply, my 3dfx friends.

The Jedi Order appreciates this place very much, there is no evil here, these words have been spoken because that is the truth I bare to say from the depth of heart and soul.

The good people in this place helps each other onwhich there will always be good friendship, that makes this place a good place.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Chosen_One on 13.07.05 at 19:29:46
@obiwan: you are crazy!

@gary: np...it's the best v5 6k info-site! for me it was a pleasure to help...and for the others too!

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 13.07.05 at 19:46:05
@ Chosen_One I f I were crazy I wouldn't of posted such thing, the Force is some thing I believe in it keeps me going, believeing in God is something I don't do I've had many bad times and God was never there, the Force was in my spirit, it made me think positive about things.

Everyone has thier own opinion of things , so I am not crazy, it's my opinion of explaining that I appreciated Gary's thanx and this place ;)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by voodoo5500 on 13.07.05 at 20:23:39
@gdonovan,

The V6K FAQ page is very well done and makes for a interesting read  ;)


@Obi-Wan_Kenobi,


Quote:
so I am not crazy


your not crazy, your just unique  8)


Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 13.07.05 at 20:32:06
@ Voodoo5500

Thanx but yes you're right , maybe I am Unique hehe, everyone is unique to me, because we are all different fgrom each other, we all have out "thing" ;)

@ Gary

your Voodoo5 6000 FAQ page is very informatic for people that don't know much about the Voodoo5 6000 and how it came to it's state. If I fiund more pics you'll be the first to know mate. ;)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by BFG3dfx on 13.07.05 at 20:34:54
gj gary, one thing thou i didnt see, the big 6000 heatsink you got, thought for sure you would have some more info on that in there

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 13.07.05 at 21:57:20

wrote on 13.07.05 at 20:34:54:
gj gary, one thing thou i didnt see, the big 6000 heatsink you got, thought for sure you would have some more info on that in there


Been thinking about it, will do so today along with some updated motherboard info and the voodoo volts card too.

As a bonus, in the near future my site will have alternate pages in German, Spanish and perhaps French starting with this page.


Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 13.07.05 at 23:26:42
Das ist sehr schön mein freund ;)

in english:

that is very nice my friend

in dutch:

Dat is zeer mooi mijn vriend :)

dunno the rest though, it's that I lived 11 years in Australia for the english and I have German familly also which keeps up the German, and yeah for the dutch that 15 years of The Netherlands now and 3 before Australia :) a total of 18 years Holland that is :)

a multi language page would also result more visitors Gary, that would be a very good idea :) need any help on a dutch part, just send a PM :) willing to help out lad.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by paulpsomiadis on 14.07.05 at 00:21:20
Any plans to translate the page into Greek? ???

...mind you my Greek is really rusty now! LOL! ;D

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 14.07.05 at 01:02:12
If You need Somebody Call My Name ;)

hehe a good ole phrase from Sting, but greek hehe that would be cool, but not many speak that language , or some might.

anyway I was wondering if there was a Voodoo5 6000 AGP 128MB Rev.A3 3500 and 3700, I did hear about these, but I wasn't so sure about them, they are still floating around in my head :-X

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by edmundoab on 14.07.05 at 08:13:46
the A3 model for 3700
i remember asking amigamerlin once about it.

and also Vykuptel, both claim that it exist.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 14.07.05 at 11:47:37
hmm yeah I thought so, it was said that it was a Rev.A3 3400 with 6ns ram @ 183Mhz, it's ram was 6ns because the one with 183Mhz 5.4 ns ram aka the Rev.A3 3400 had stabillity problems at high Memory speeds maybe that is why 3dfx decided to use 6ns Ram @ 183Mhz for the Rev.A3 3700.

After the Rev.A3 3700 the Rev.A3700 came then shortly followed by the last ever made Voodoo5 6000 the Rev.A 3900.

Only two of model 3900 exsist, gdonovan and Omega-Supreme are the great and happy owners of those two beasts.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 14.07.05 at 14:42:48

wrote on 14.07.05 at 11:47:37:
hmm yeah I thought so, it was said that it was a Rev.A3 3400 with 6ns ram @ 183Mhz, it's ram was 6ns because the one with 183Mhz 5.4 ns ram aka the Rev.A3 3400 had stabillity problems at high Memory speeds maybe that is why 3dfx decided to use 6ns Ram @ 183Mhz for the Rev.A3 3700.


The later cards had -6 ram and 166 mhz clock speed because 3dfx thought that would fix the stability problems, it didn't.


Quote:
Only two of model 3900 exsist, gdonovan and Omega-Supreme are the great and happy owners of those two beasts.


Are known to *still* exsist. According to someone I talked too, a minimum of 10 engineering samples are/were made for any boards.


Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 14.07.05 at 14:46:15

wrote on 14.07.05 at 08:13:46:
the A3 model for 3700
i remember asking amigamerlin once about it.


I'll look into it.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Chosen_One on 14.07.05 at 14:54:46
@obiwan: crazy in a positive way ;) i didn't want to insult you!

maybe i have a guy who can translate the text into greek :D but he studies at the moment AFAIK...
perhaps you know him: it's Smiro (futuremark forum) who wrote the SBLive! & Audigy -> Audigy 2 (ZS) Softmod-Guide! about 2 years ago i translated the guide into german...

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by st4r4m4m4 on 14.07.05 at 17:32:40
If you are so much into languages I can do italian and slovenian...

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 14.07.05 at 17:52:43
@Chosen_One

Norries mate it's okay :) and yeah greek would be good, but I hope Gary won't mind so much languages hehe But yes it will be more user friendly, I understand that clearly.


@st4r4m4m4

okay I think that would be very welcome, I'll ask Gary about it tonight @ MSN but yeah every little bit helps :)

The Force Is With Us All!!

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by osckhar on 14.07.05 at 18:13:35
@Gary,
I can translate it to the SPANISH!  ;D

Oscar

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Thandor on 14.07.05 at 19:34:26
Obi-wan and I can translate it into Dutch  ;)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 14.07.05 at 19:51:18

wrote on 14.07.05 at 19:34:26:
Obi-wan and I can translate it into Dutch  ;)


Note sure thats possible guys the logistics are daunting- Currently there are 49 pages to my site and just translating to Spanish and German alone will add 98 pages of work.

Combine that with regular edits and corrections the information would have to be rechecked and re-translated again for every page.

Ugh.

Have to see if there is an easy way to do it.


Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Thandor on 14.07.05 at 20:42:16
Hmm, rewriting the hole site into a different language is a lot of work.
Although English is a worldlanguage and that shouldn't be a problem for the most people on the internet ;)

Rewriting the V5 6K FAQ in different languages is not a big problem since it's only one (long,big) page ;)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 15.07.05 at 10:52:14
you've got point Thandor :), it's indeed a streched A4 actually hehe, anyway Gary if you need help Thandor and I are here to help mate  8)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 12.09.05 at 16:38:42

wrote on 14.07.05 at 00:21:20:
Any plans to translate the page into Greek? ???


How about Dutch?

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/v6k_faq_nl.html

A few key pages are being done like the V6K FAQ, V6K benchmarks and maybe Rampage if people are willing to do the work.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 12.09.05 at 18:35:44
looks cool Gary :)
@ Thandor

Great translation lad, you seem to have the hand of things :)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by NitroX infinity on 13.09.05 at 00:22:22
Some things that could use improvement in the Dutch FAQ:


Quote:
Feedback, suggesties, correcties en overige informatie is welkom. Stuur gerust een e-mail. (In het Engels beantwoorden)

'beantwoorden' means answer in Dutch so that doesn't make sense. 'beantwoorden' should be left out of the sentence (this will still leave a correct Dutch sentence).


Quote:
Alledrie de kaarten waren niet instaat om te werken, ze diende dus ook alleen maar als 'showmodel'

'instaat' must be written as: 'in staat' (with a space).
'diende' is single but you need plural so it should be 'dienden'.
Also, there's a dot missing at the end of the sentence.


Quote:
3dfx documenten van vóór en ná Comdex '99 spraken over de V5-6000.

'spraken' is past tense. I assume the documents still exist so it should be 'spreken' (this also gives more 'power' to the sentence).


Quote:
Er zijn maar 2 Comdex '99 Voodoo 5 6000's bekend voor, zoals een engineer het noemde : "the dog and pony show".

The comma makes the structure of the sentence a bit hazy. A better way of writing this sentence is:

Quote:
Er zijn maar 2 Comdex '99 Voodoo 5 6000's bekend voor (zoals een engineer het noemde): "the dog and pony show".



Quote:
De kaarten waren alleen bedoeld voor foto's totdat de échte Voodoo 5 6000 gemaakt werd.

Nowhere in the Dutch language is 'echte' written with a ' above the e (échte > echte).


Quote:
De Comdex '99 kaarten hebben 4 Voodoo 3-3500 chips! Daarom zaten er ook VSA-100 stickers op de chips, zo kon niemand zien dat er 3500 chips op zaten.

'De Comdex '99 kaarten' (English: 'The Comdex '99 cards') is general and could also include the V4 and 5, yes, it is the V5 6K FAQ but still.
'zo kon niemand zien dat er 3500 chips op zaten.' This can be read two ways:
1. the boards were equipped with chips used on the V3 3500.
2. the boards were equipped with 3500 chips ;D
A better structure for this sentence is:

Quote:
De Comdex '99 Voodoo 5 6000 kaarten hebben 4 Voodoo 3-3500 chips, daarom zaten er ook VSA-100 stickers op de chips. Zo kon niemand zien dat er Voodoo 3 3500 chips op zaten.


It's late, I'll go over the rest of the FAQ tomorrow.
(Starting from 'Voodoo Volts')

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by NitroX infinity on 13.09.05 at 10:33:12

Quote:
Well, you can read it as : "Please answer in English" or "Answer in English please".
The correct translation is : Graag in het Engels beantwoorden.


But you're talking to the people who are sending an email to Gary and they're not 'answering'; Gary is ;D

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 13.09.05 at 11:13:34
@ Thandor

Exactly, If I were still in Australia as an Australian Citizen and I had a site like Gary  would answered in the same way, Dutch would sound like Japanese for most english people ;)

I totally agree there lad  8)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by NitroX infinity on 13.09.05 at 11:27:11
No, he'll probably use 'Please write in English'. ;)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by NitroX infinity on 13.09.05 at 11:40:14
Gary; you say that at full load the V5 6000 pulls 50 or 60 Watts at full load.

I've read somewhere that the VSA-100 chip uses 17 Watts, which means that the V5 6000 uses at least 68 Watts.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by NitroX infinity on 13.09.05 at 14:07:08
166MHz I guess.

Can't seem to find the link which said 17 Watts though.
Did find these: 15 Watts:

http://www.ntcompatible.com/Voodoo_5_5500_Review_s1364.html

http://animeboards.com/showthread.php?t=17189&page=2

http://www.guiadohardware.net/analises/12/

EDIT:
Found the link:
http://www.guru3d.com/tech/cebit2000/index3.html

Quote:
Since we're on the subject power-consuming, I've been able to verify that the VSA-100 processor will take up about 15-17 WATT.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Eye-Q on 13.09.05 at 14:51:13
The thing is: the last article you linked is a preview-article so the power consumption is only assumed, the first two articles relate to one basic article (which says vague "up to 15 watt per VSA-100") and the third article states that the whole V5 5500 uses up to 40 watts.

There are not only the VSA-100-chips which consume power but RAM, voltage converters etc. so the overall consumption of the card isn't simply the added up consumption of four VSA-100-chips but this magnitude plus something more.

Furthermore these wattages are "worst-case-wattages" like at today's CPUs which have a TDP (thermal design power) of X watts but use in reality only X-Y watts. This is really blatant at the Athlon 64-CPUs: TDP of an A64 3500+ Venice is 67 watts but "real-life"-measurements of the german website hardtecs4u showed that this CPU only consume 32 watts at full load.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 13.09.05 at 14:52:32

wrote on 13.09.05 at 11:40:14:
Gary; you say that at full load the V5 6000 pulls 50 or 60 Watts at full load.


Correct- As stated by Scott Sellers in an interview (50 watts) measured with an actual meter while under load (48 watts) and the later brick only supports 55 watts.

I statnd by my numbers since they have been backed up with actual load readings and power supply ratings.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by osckhar on 27.12.05 at 16:21:55
Update V6k faq -Motherboard.

A2 V6k
MSI PROS66TD MASTER-LR
(Dual PIIIs 1.4GHz tualatin).

Oscar

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gtxe on 28.12.05 at 20:25:52
The v56k runs perfect with this mainboard:

Epox EP-8K5A3+ (KT333)

CPU: Barton 2500+ (@2800+)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 28.12.05 at 20:45:28
mine is flying high on this system :)

AMD AthlonXP Thoroughbred-B 2700+ @ 2167Mhz
EPoX EP-8K3A+ Rev. 1.2 VIA Apollo KT333
1x 512MB PC-3200 Kingston Value Ram 2x 512MB on the way
SB Live 5.1

Win2KPro USA + SP4
Amigamerlin 3.1 R11 + Wicked3D 3.02

here a pic of it all in action :)
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/3dfx-Interactive-Voodoo5-6000-AGP-128MB-Rev-A-3700-3dfx-Voodoo-Volts-Rev-A-0030/DSC00909.thumb.jpg

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by TM30 on 29.12.05 at 19:38:04
wow Obi you have a damn nice camera, or you are a good photograf.... or both  ;D

what cam do you have?

BUT... clean of that dust behind the casefan ;)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 29.12.05 at 21:34:37
Thanx TM30 :)

well it's a 7.2 Mega Pixel camera from Sony that is what I do know, the name I'm not sure, I will have a look for ya though norries there :)

and yes the Voodoo5 6000 is a great design. anyways here the V6K topic of mine :
http://www.falconfly-central.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=general;action=display;num=1133956008;start=30#30

Let's keep this topic for gary ;)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gtxe on 31.12.05 at 14:38:59
EP-8K5A3+ is not the same as EP-8K3A+ !!!
http://www.epox.de/products/view.php?product_id=386

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 31.12.05 at 15:12:06
@ gtxe

uhm did one of us say it was? sorry I can't recall that ???

The thing that counts is that the EPoX EP-8K3A+ the latest board is with the VIA Apollo KT333 chipset.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gtxe on 31.12.05 at 15:56:57

wrote on 28.12.05 at 20:45:28:
mine is flying high on this system :)

AMD AthlonXP Thoroughbred-B 2700+ @ 2167Mhz
EPoX EP-8K3A+ Rev. 1.2 VIA Apollo KT333
1x 512MB PC-3200 Kingston Value Ram 2x 512MB on the way
...

perhaps i missunderstood you, but mine is an other system ???
i put it here for the compatibility-list in the v56k-faq

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 31.12.05 at 16:28:37
here some nice onfo of the Voodoo5 6000, an interview with Scott Sellers from Beyond 3D :)

http://www.beyond3d.com/interviews/sellers/

Scotty says:

" Right now, 3dfx as a company is going back to basics, going back to what we know, and what we dominated which is high performance 3D and we're gonna kick anyone in the teeth that's in that segment! We're gonna become king of the hill once again."

Way To Go Scotty!!!

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by st4r4m4m4 on 31.12.05 at 18:33:31
Quite a long impressive interview, too bad they didn't make it :'(

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 31.12.05 at 18:53:26
yeah I did have my rillings when I read that Sorry Scotty to hear that you didn't make it buddy  :'( :-* :'(

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by st4r4m4m4 on 31.12.05 at 18:56:50
wander what is he doing now... (and the other fellas)


And btw happy new year to the asian ppl, I belive some already live in 2006 at his time ;)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 31.12.05 at 19:49:20
Wait a sec I have an idea Go here :D
Happy New Year!!!!!!!

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by ALT-F13 on 02.01.06 at 20:58:15

wrote on 31.12.05 at 15:12:06:
@ gtxe

uhm did one of us say it was? sorry I can't recall that ???

The thing that counts is that the EPoX EP-8K3A+ the latest board is with the VIA Apollo KT333 chipset.


Not exactly. EP-8K5A3+ is The Ultimate motherboard for V5-6K owner. It was the most feature packed KT333-based motherboard. Everything from 8K3A+ plus 4-port IDE RAID controller (unique feature), onboard 10/100Mbit LAN adapter, four RAM slots, small improvements in BIOS, onboard gameport, better package (i.e. 4 additional USB-connectors instead of 2) and few other minor differences.

Once it was the best motherboard for Socket A, before NForce 2 approached on the market.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 03.01.06 at 00:08:29
Well I meant that the EPoX EP-8K3A+ was newer than the EPoX EP-9K5A2+ ;) hehe

I know I know the names can get really messed up so can my brains lol haha omg, but uhm Congratulations again ALT-F13 with your V6K Rev.A 3700 like I told you on teh phone December 31, 2K6 LOL ;D that was @ 23: 14 when I called ya haha was cool 8) 8) 8)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gamma742 on 03.01.06 at 00:12:09
Anyone old enough to remember the OverDrive CPU's

I think the one that was AMD based was "Evergreen"

We need an A64 based OverDrive CPU to drop into our  EPoX EP-8K3A+ and EP-8K5A3+ motherboards. This would give the V6K the shot in the arm it needs.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 03.01.06 at 00:13:52
hmm  don't see the difference be tween an OverDrive CPU or a real one, should I see it as a K8 with 462 Pin layout ? or a K8 on a K8 to K7 Socket 462 Convertor?

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 03.01.06 at 00:20:14
Unless there is a Universal AGP x8 Slot :) you could replace the standard AGP x8 slot with a Universal AGP x2/x4/x8 Slot I suppose I may not exsist but the idea hehe still would PWN lol :)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gamma742 on 03.01.06 at 01:26:04
Yeah my OverDrive Chip is a pipe dream too :-/

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 06.01.06 at 03:55:56
Hmm What about that 200 Mhz Voodoo5 6000 that could be 3 possible things.

A: A Rev.A3 3400 with 5.4 ns SDRAM and an extreemly high OC

B: A Rev.A3 3400 with 5ns SDRAM with a default speed of cores/mem @ 183Mhz OC'ed to 200Mhz

C: A Rev.A3 3700 with 5ns SDRAM with a default Cores/mem speed @ 200Mhz aka the mystery V6K.

I really wonder about this 200Mhz card, I did hear rumor about a V6K @ 200Mhz and I always have believed somewhere that there is a Rev.A3 card at that speed, just dunno if it was a Rev.A3 3400 with extreem OC , or extreem mem timings or a Rev.A3 3700 .

Any more info on this critter?

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 06.01.06 at 04:02:40
1) Hank states the fastest clock on the V6K was 166 mhz, they never had the boards stable enough to clock at 183.

2) There is one board clocked at 200, it was Hanks personal board which I think he gifted to someone.

If I recall, it had faster ram and Mercury heatsinks on the ram.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 06.01.06 at 04:04:27
but the Revision and PCB date is unknown? and the Rev.A3 3700 may yet still exsist?

Oh well tomorrow heh later this day I will test the Rev.A 3700 in Descent3 Ver 1.5 with Pyromania 1.5 Final :P

@ 1024 x 768 x16 in Glide with FSAA x2, x4 and x8 8)

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by 3Dfx-tweaker on 06.01.06 at 11:22:49
Isn't Iwellius selling a 200mhz V5 6K ?????/
It could be that that is the 200mhz version.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 06.01.06 at 11:24:45

wrote on 06.01.06 at 04:04:27:
but the Revision and PCB date is unknown?


Looking at the pics, 3700.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 06.01.06 at 11:50:05
hmm a modified Rev.A 3700 maybe with 5ns Ram or isn't that visible because of it's Blue Heatsinks?:

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/4595/v56000agpmod16dp.th.jpg

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/9652/v56000agpmod28ia.th.jpg

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/5950/v56000agpmod39kx.th.jpg

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/835/v56000agpmod46tc.th.jpg

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by gdonovan on 06.01.06 at 11:52:48
That's not the board.

"Mercury heatsinks"

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by hanksemenec on 06.01.06 at 17:10:36
The Mythycal 6000

Yes there is such a beast.

Hand picked VSA100 silicon,  taken from fast fast corner lot. It was sorted using the single chip socket board.

-5 or -45 memory was installed on the board.

Stable frequency was 220MHz.

Aquoes got the card 4 years ago  :o

Hank

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by NitroX infinity on 06.01.06 at 17:40:29
Hank, maybe you know the answer to this. Been wondering for a long time about this.

Why didn't 3dfx go for the V2 type SLI (connected through a cable) with the Napalm chips?. Wouldn't that have made things a lot easier?

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 06.01.06 at 19:33:27

wrote on 06.01.06 at 17:10:36:
The Mythycal 6000

Yes there is such a beast.

Hand picked VSA100 silicon,  taken from fast fast corner lot. It was sorted using the single chip socket board.

-5 or -45 memory was installed on the board.

Stable frequency was 220MHz.

Aquoes got the card 4 years ago  :o

Hank



Well a 220Mhz version hmm interesting what was it's PCB date and Revision Hank? also a Rev.A 3700 like the most we all have here?

And where does this Aquoes come freem sounds very Greek to me hehe.

So that 200Mhz V6K Rev.A 3700 may be a total different card, so maybe that there were more of these sick Green Monsters from the Gloom of 3dfx Interactive hey :)

I mean that thing must cost like a fortune maybe 3000 US Dollars or so!

May The Force Be With You All!

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 06.01.06 at 21:46:23
BTW how does FSAA x2 , x4 and x 8 work on the Voodoo5 6000? Would that be:

1. Would FSAA x2 be 1 VSA-100 with FSAA x2 and the other 3 for pure speed?

2. Would FSAA x4 be 2 VSA-100 with FSAA x2 and the other 2 for speed?

3. Would FSAA x8 bet FSAA x2 per VSA-100?

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by roflkopp on 12.01.06 at 15:58:03
No, I think the loadbalence is much better. Imo it works just like voodoo5 5500 with double AA-Samples in T-Buffer.

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by hanksemenec on 12.01.06 at 16:10:47
V2 style SLI could only be done on PCI based VSA 100. Marketting did not like that. Also the FSB would be only 33MHz.

If you had to run AGP and PCI card in SLI you would require a redirector. each card is sitting behind a different PCI bridge and snooping function built into VSA100 would not function. You would have to copy the command streem to both cards.

Hank

Title: Re: V5-6000 information wanted
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 12.01.06 at 16:27:05
hmm okay sounds very logic unless there were motherboards with standars 64 Bit 66Mhz PCI-X slots hehe but indeed that could of been the sollution only it would cost more money in expenses.

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