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Message started by gdonovan on 15.11.05 at 12:28:45

Title: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 15.11.05 at 12:28:45
As you know it is a month till the 5 year mark that 3dfx closed their doors.

Rather then morn 3dfx's passing, I thought it better to celebrate by showing some new items I have obtained in the last few months but have not really made public yet  ;D

Every day I'll upload a new image till December 15th.



Intel revision V5-6000 with power brick, revision 1500.

Tracing the card it would appear to be the one shown at this trade show-

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=826

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Rolo01 on 15.11.05 at 13:26:16
And fully functional, I guess ?  ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Chosen_One on 15.11.05 at 14:59:47
cool idea...i guess we will see very strange things...
something clamshelled ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by st4r4m4m4 on 15.11.05 at 15:12:33
OMG am I wrong or you now have all revs of the 6K? :o

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 15.11.05 at 15:21:28
well very Nice Gary ;) @ St4r4m4m4 well he's missing a few the Rev.A2 2600 the first HInT based 6K and the Rev.A3 3400 the second HiNT based board and not to forget the Rev.A0 0700 with all of it's chips and components that card is the first 4x1 VSA-100 layout Voodoo5 6000 cores/ram @ 166Mhz with 5.4ns Toshiba ram.

The Rev.A1 1500 the one Gary pictured runs @ cores/mem 100Mhz with 5.4 ns Toshiba ram.

The Rev.A2 2600 has cores/mem @ 166Mhz and uses 5.5 ns Hyundai SDRAM and the Rev.A3 3400 has the same 5.4ns SDRAM as the Rev.A0 0700 and Rev.A1 1500 cards though cores/em run @ 183Mhz rather speedy hay :P though they are very unreliable, a Rev.A2 2600 would be even safer to use than a Rev.A3 3400.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by edmundoab on 15.11.05 at 17:20:29
does he have the revision 2?
I doubt he is gonna collect the sub revisions

its already a very great feat to acheive.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by T4H_KiserSose on 15.11.05 at 19:19:40
<<<< New kid on the block but a loyal fan to VooDoo for a long time in gaming zone..
  If any of you ever played Outlaws(LucasArts)..... thats where I been hiding for sometime and ...i must say it is sad to see why 3DFX couldnt continue :(   .........ive gone to many of your sites for tech help and now coming to find this forum in which i hope to maybe gather some more tech knowledge for being able to run these cards .... btw  we welcome players to this old game ....I can say for me, this is the fastest game that i think a voodoo will play ....I may be gloating but we've been able to achieve 800fps on a v5 agp card in this old game ..wether or not that is a real number it does move that fast ....... but yes to me a "month of 3dfx goodness" stands to be recognized :)
  hope to chat with you guys more soon
       Kiser(rick)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gamma742 on 15.11.05 at 20:42:00
That power supply looks huge, doesn't it?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 15.11.05 at 21:09:04
yes the VoodooVolts of the Rev.A1 1500 models are abit larger,if you go to Gary's Voodoo5 6000 section page on his 3dfx website you can see the size comparison very well :)


scroll down to the bottom of that page that is where the old Voodoo Volts with the four pin connector can be seen next to the Voodoo Volts with the single Pin connector better known as the newer Voodoo Volts that was meant for the Rev.A3 3400, Rev.A 3700 and Rev.A 3900 6K's.


Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Chosen_One on 15.11.05 at 21:13:41
it's a Rev.1 PSU isn't it?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 15.11.05 at 21:31:16
it's a PSU for Rev.A0 0700, Rev.A1 1500 & Rev.A2 2600 based 6K's, because they all have the four pin connector for the Voodoo Volts ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 15.11.05 at 22:52:09

wrote on 15.11.05 at 15:21:28:
The Rev.A1 1500 the one Gary pictured runs @ cores/mem 143Mhz with 5.4 ns Toshiba ram.


Actually, it's clocked at 100 mhz.



Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 15.11.05 at 22:52:51

wrote on 15.11.05 at 15:12:33:
OMG am I wrong or you now have all revs of the 6K? :o


Almost.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 15.11.05 at 22:54:34

wrote on 15.11.05 at 20:42:00:
That power supply looks huge, doesn't it?


Yes and what most people don't know is there is two different size early 4 pin bricks.

The larger of the two has air vents and either is larger then the later single pin brick.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 16.11.05 at 00:22:20
hello Gary,

could you post a pic of all three type of Voodoo Volts, would be cool to see the size comparrison of all three if that is possible of course ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 16.11.05 at 12:24:23
11-16-05

Todays post will contain a new 100DB-4440 set won off Ebay.


Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 16.11.05 at 13:51:40
hmm rather odd, I thought that the SLI Voodoo Graphics was a prototype from 3Dfx Interactive it's self, that set you have there is possibly the production model or am I a little off track here Gary?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Chosen_One on 16.11.05 at 20:54:10
maybe you got little off track coz of the prototype you saw on gary's website...

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 16.11.05 at 21:42:48
I have a prototype set and a new production set.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 17.11.05 at 12:23:47
11-17-05

IO Data Banshee


Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by st4r4m4m4 on 17.11.05 at 12:31:52
What a coincidence hehe ;)
http://www.falconfly-central.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=market;action=display;num=1132188038

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 17.11.05 at 12:45:25
That's why I posted that one today.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by paulpsomiadis on 17.11.05 at 17:37:28
Whats the white connector for? ???

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 17.11.05 at 22:36:08

wrote on 17.11.05 at 17:37:28:
Whats the white connector for? ???


Only white connector I see is for the fan?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 17.11.05 at 22:41:05
I think he means the cream coloured connector which is placed top-right of the fan connector, looks like a primmative I-O connector to me.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 18.11.05 at 00:13:34
ah, no idea.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 18.11.05 at 11:54:46


11-18

Velocity 100 Prototype

2499 PCB date, 210-0380-001-A0

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 18.11.05 at 12:34:34
The Force is Stong in you Jedi Master Gary ;)

Lot's of Glory on your side :P
I suppose that this is only a beginning  8)

does the Vel100 Proto opperate like the Vel200 Proto there by it has 2 TMU's or does it have 1 TMU like it's production model? imho I always have thought that the Vel200 like Vel100 should of had 1 TMU, but for the prototypes 3dfx uused 2 intead of one just for better stabillity purposes, any idea on this theory?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by ALT-F13 on 18.11.05 at 14:20:31

wrote on 17.11.05 at 17:37:28:
Whats the white connector for? ???

I asked different manufacturers a few times about some strange connectors on their products and typical (90%) reply was - "this is used for internal testing". The same connector as on I-O Data Banshee is placed on Gainward GFFX5900 and some other NV3x cards and was used as stated above :)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 18.11.05 at 14:37:50
hmm what can be understanded by Internal testing, because  attaching a monitor cable internally would be alittle trick wouldn't it?

Sorry on this behalf, but that's a little new to me lol.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by st4r4m4m4 on 18.11.05 at 14:54:03
I suppose they have some sort of device for just some fast testing of vital functions.
Now I have no idea how that goes if they test them all, or just say every 100th or one out of a batch.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Chosen_One on 18.11.05 at 15:17:38
if it is a working one please dump the bios ;)
the sticker 2.05 looks good...maybe there is a bios 2.05.xx on it...

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by ALT-F13 on 18.11.05 at 15:33:47

wrote on 18.11.05 at 14:37:50:
hmm what can be understanded by Internal testing, because  attaching a monitor cable internally would be alittle trick wouldn't it?

Sorry on this behalf, but that's a little new to me lol.

Well I just cited what I was told :) Can't explain more thoroughly. I suppose that their term "Internal testing" means "testing done by manufacturer on specific industrial testbed and this dumb connector can't be used by end user so stop bothering me with questions about useless things which I don't know exactly by myself" :) But I heard almost the same replies from ATI, NVidia, XGI and few card makers (Gainward, Sapphire, etc.) Of course, due to my work most of my contact persons are PR/Marketing specialists and not the board engeneers :)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by st4r4m4m4 on 18.11.05 at 15:40:16
Fully working
I don't do much bios work, any good app?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 18.11.05 at 22:46:06

wrote on 18.11.05 at 12:34:34:
does the Vel100 Proto opperate like the Vel200 Proto there by it has 2 TMU's or does it have 1 TMU like it's production model?


Didn't check in this case aside from checking for normal function (it works fine)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by paulpsomiadis on 19.11.05 at 00:10:14
Hmm...internal testing... :-/

...just a theory here, but how about when they are beta testing the BIOS of the card and need to re-flash it when it's NOT in an AGP / PCI slot. ;D

I mean they can't do that if it's soldered onto the board...unless they have a 'flash' connector! :o

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by st4r4m4m4 on 19.11.05 at 00:28:56
Improbable, there would be no need for such a connector on a production board, especially not for testing beta bioses.
Also... in a developing part of the plant it's highly probable that there is plenty of AGPs and PCIs.
It might be some connector to check the vital functions, I suppose they have some sort of test on certain noumber of cards before putting them on the market after production.
The problem is I might be wrong as well as you, since noone is willing to tell the purpouse of such connectors.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 19.11.05 at 12:32:57


11-19-05

Powercolor EvilKing 3 Extreme 183mhz

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by TM30 on 19.11.05 at 14:13:51
prototype? or why does it have a papercard attached?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Chosen_One on 19.11.05 at 14:21:44
maybe only for ID...i use hangtags for ID the card...

Name
Build Date / Rev.
RAM
Clocks
BIOS

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 19.11.05 at 15:03:20

wrote on 19.11.05 at 14:21:44:
maybe only for ID...i use hangtags for ID the card...


Correct, this is a production card I had tagged so not to confuse with another card.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 19.11.05 at 17:14:00
hmm nice catch it has 5ns SDRAM like my Power Colour Evil King 3 Pro hehe same brand mem also hmm interesting Gary very Interesting.

anyways mine does infact run @ 166Mhz but it's max OC was core/mem 220Mhz heheh rather high for a 3K AGP :)

I wonder how far your Extreme will go , maybe 220Mhz also since the core and mem is actually the same only it runs at a different clock.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by TM30 on 19.11.05 at 18:15:36
220 is really good!

i thought my 217Mhz with the Compaq V3 3500 was extreme...

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 19.11.05 at 22:48:36
hehe yeah it sure was, I tested that on my AthlonXP 2700+ some 2 years ago. BTW TM 30 217Mhz is also very L33T

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by TM30 on 20.11.05 at 00:54:28
indeed, but you're more 1337  8)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 20.11.05 at 14:55:58
No pics on sunday ;-)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by ALT-F13 on 20.11.05 at 16:34:02
LOL Gary that's definitely a unique item today! ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 20.11.05 at 16:38:38
Need to space out the pics, not sure if I have enough new items for 30 days ;-)


Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Thandor on 20.11.05 at 16:53:03

wrote on 20.11.05 at 16:38:38:
Need to space out the pics, not sure if I have enough new items for 30 days ;-)
Well, I don't mind if you show us a Rampage twice  ;D . (As long as the picture is angeled different  :P)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 21.11.05 at 12:24:51


11-21-05

V5-6000, 3700-A Revision.

This one might be available for trade for the right item.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 22.11.05 at 12:47:06


11-22-05

Speed V4-4500



Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Eye-Q on 22.11.05 at 13:29:06
Nice - do you know if the little passive heatsinks on the RAM are original or fitted later?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 22.11.05 at 13:40:02
WoW nice one gary especially it's ram cooling looks very chilly, hmm does it have the Power Colour PCB?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Eye-Q on 22.11.05 at 14:36:18

wrote on 22.11.05 at 13:40:02:
hmm does it have the Power Colour PCB?

Apparently it's the same PCB as the Powercolor V4 4500 as you can see in this thread. ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Chosen_One on 22.11.05 at 14:42:48
awful cooler...
but a nice card :D

btw: bios bios bios *wanna have* :D :D :D

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gamma742 on 22.11.05 at 16:50:51

Quote:
awful cooler...


If the fan was only the same color as the heatsink ???

Different, different is good, No?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by wd2k on 22.11.05 at 20:22:42
heatsinks on the RAM are fitted later

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 22.11.05 at 21:37:29

wrote on 22.11.05 at 14:42:48:
btw: bios bios bios *wanna have* :D :D :D


Same bios as the Powercolor 4500.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 23.11.05 at 04:10:37
Something of intrest about this card- Notice on the lower left there is no voltage regulator! I showed a picture to Hank and he stated to save money the manufacture in China left it off to cut a corner and instead of running the VSA-100 chip at a regulated 2.9 volts it was being fed 3.3 AGP voltage!

That would explain why the back of the card was so hot and why the card stopped functioning not long after arriving in my hands =(


Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by wd2k on 23.11.05 at 04:30:27

wrote on 17.11.05 at 12:23:47:
11-17-05

IO Data Banshee


the AGP one is rare

http://bbs.yjfy.com/UploadFile/2005-11/20051123112856726.jpg

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by wd2k on 23.11.05 at 04:48:05
see these V4 4500

http://www2.beareyes.com.cn/jpic/2/2005/11/20051123_111516_2.jpg

http://www2.beareyes.com.cn/jpic/2/2005/11/20051123_111624_2.jpg

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 23.11.05 at 12:14:53
wierd never seen a card with a Yellow D-Sub, this probobly the first time I whitness this  :o  

Nice Catch wd2k   8)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 23.11.05 at 12:21:57


11-23-05

V5-6000 bricks- The large one is the newest addition.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 23.11.05 at 12:49:59
Gary the Biggest one on the Right was that one meant for the Voodoo5 6000 Rev.A0 0700 and the one with the logo for the Rev.A1 1500 based cards ? or both PSU's for both cards ?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by wd2k on 23.11.05 at 15:41:37

wrote on 23.11.05 at 12:14:53:
wierd never seen a card with a Yellow D-Sub, this probobly the first time I whitness this  :o  

Nice Catch wd2k   8)

Thanx

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 23.11.05 at 16:04:06
hehe norries well if you's like to discuss my cards on sale please refer to this topic:
http://www.falconfly-central.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=market;action=display;num=1132485484

Let's keep Gary's topic clean hehe.

@ Gary are there more differences between the large 4 pinned Voodoo Volts and the 3dfx labled 4 Pinned Voodoo Volts than the air vent gills and thier sizes?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 23.11.05 at 21:45:25

wrote on 23.11.05 at 16:04:06:
@ Gary are there more differences between the large 4 pinned Voodoo Volts and the 3dfx labled 4 Pinned Voodoo Volts than the air vent gills and thier sizes?


No, aside from the size and grills both have four pin connectors. The large one with no decal visible does have a decal on the back with a 3dfx part number.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 24.11.05 at 13:59:50


11-24-05

Buffalo Banshee PCI

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 25.11.05 at 05:09:02


11-25-05

Pre-production 200SBi with some reworking (functions perfect)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 25.11.05 at 14:14:40
oei she's a beauty Gary :) so you are still collecting by the looks of it hehe , I find it still very amazing that you find new things , Just Brilliant to see my friend, The Force is truly Stong in you, I can sense that.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 25.11.05 at 21:03:12

wrote on 25.11.05 at 14:14:40:
so you are still collecting by the looks of it hehe.


Not really, you have to remember these items were obtained over a period of time, I just have not shown them till now.

I have one or two items to go before calling the collection "complete" unless a new target of opportunity arises.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 25.11.05 at 22:11:38
well I wish you all of the best with your last things collect :)
Hope to hear from you soon then :)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 26.11.05 at 15:26:38


11-26-05

Obsidian 50-2220

Card has VERY early 1996 date, green PCB, 3dfx hologram decal and daughtercard has decal stating NOT FCC tested.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gamma742 on 26.11.05 at 19:53:01
That Hologram decal is cool 8)

I bet it's an AT&T DAC underneath :o

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 27.11.05 at 21:17:41
Very nice find Gary 8) , is that the 12MB Voodoo Graphics or is it the 10MB version?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by st4r4m4m4 on 27.11.05 at 21:30:16
I'm afraid it's only 4+2MB
Obsidian 50-2200 4MB + Amethist module 2MB = Obsidian 50-2220 6MB

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by st4r4m4m4 on 27.11.05 at 21:32:44
I wish the day when I start buying Q3D gear never comes, or at least after I end my studiyng :P

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 27.11.05 at 22:20:17
Well you could always sell some items that might be worth selling and keep the ultra rare ;) but then again some things are indeed hard to decide I know how that feels like hehe been there also  :-X

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by st4r4m4m4 on 27.11.05 at 22:38:12
I think I would hardly sell any of my cards, to me even having 2 different revs. of the diamond V1 means a lot, and giving away 10 "cheap" cards for one proto is not what I have in mind, I collect 3Dfx hardware for what it has been in the ordinary PC user's life, a complete revolution in the PC vision, and belive me when I say that all the ubercommon production cards have brought the real thing in our houses.
Prototypes are mostly for us collectors a way to reach further in the company's work and setting higher goals, hi-end hardware was more a revolution in the industry, but this is not the thing I aim for as a collector.
Shortly: for now I go for the new era in the average joe's life.
Someday I'll most likely aim higher (probably starting with a V6K, that is to me the legend of all 3Dfx, the card we were drooling on it's pics in magazines while we were in high school :P )

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 27.11.05 at 23:11:01

wrote on 27.11.05 at 21:30:16:
I'm afraid it's only 4+2MB
Obsidian 50-2200 4MB + Amethist module 2MB = Obsidian 50-2220 6MB


And dated 1596 =)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gamma742 on 27.11.05 at 23:17:51

wrote on 26.11.05 at 15:26:38:


11-26-05

Obsidian 50-2220

Card has VERY early 1996 date, green PCB, 3dfx hologram decal and daughtercard has decal stating NOT FCC tested.


Off-topic ::)

Gary, is the "Backplate" BLACK like the 100DB Proto-type?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 28.11.05 at 01:55:37

wrote on 27.11.05 at 23:17:51:
Gary, is the "Backplate" BLACK like the 100DB Proto-type?


Sure is brother.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 28.11.05 at 11:58:18


11-28-05

Voodoo 3 2000 PCI with DVI support.

Board was obtained from a friend who indicated that this board was used for development of the DVI setup.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 28.11.05 at 12:08:10
hmm there is also a possibillity for a TV-Out as well, what is the big 3dfx chip for actually?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 28.11.05 at 12:19:43
LCD support.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by wd2k on 28.11.05 at 16:47:42

wrote on 28.11.05 at 11:58:18:


11-28-05

Voodoo 3 2000 PCI with DVI support.

Board was obtained from a friend who indicated that this board was used for development of the DVI setup.

so nice! :D

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by hanksemenec on 28.11.05 at 16:54:25
The big 3DFX chip to the left top is LCD scaling chip.

V3 could not scale up to provide digital drive to fixed resolution digital monitor.

If you had monitor that could only support 1024 by 768, you could not drive basic VGA modes onto the screen without it.

Hank

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 28.11.05 at 17:33:18
ah okay thanx for the info Hank 8) maybe on eof the many reasons that the Voodoo3 production model never had DVI adapter just because more components were needed thus it would cost 3dfx more to produce or wasn't that the cause?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by hanksemenec on 29.11.05 at 02:25:40
It was the cost.

The chip was sub contracted to external company, and scaling chip was a disaster.

Also DFPs were comming out with scaling built in, so it was not necessary to support scaling at that time.

3 strikes and the chip was out.

Hank

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gamma742 on 29.11.05 at 02:45:56
I wish I could see the connector. Looks smaller than the one on my ATI 9800 AIW. Non-standard or was there a standard back then?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by st4r4m4m4 on 29.11.05 at 02:54:07
Can't tell for sure but I think this is it
http://pinouts.ru/data/dfp_pinout.shtml

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 29.11.05 at 03:12:44

wrote on 29.11.05 at 02:54:07:
Can't tell for sure but I think this is it
http://pinouts.ru/data/dfp_pinout.shtml


Correct, you can find some of the LCD's on Ebay that use this connector.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 29.11.05 at 03:44:39
LCD's with connector could do a max resolution of 1280 x 1024 x 32 or was it 1280 x 1024 x 24 ?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by hanksemenec on 29.11.05 at 07:32:45
Digital transmission is limited to 24 bits. Before DVI was standard DFP was used for panel drive. That is used on the V3 card.

The signalling method is the same (TMDS Transition Minimized Differencial Signaling) on both DFP and DVI. 1 clock and 3 colors of 8 bits each. DVI was later expanded to include 6 color chanels (Dual link), but the standard is still only used to support 24 bit color at higher resolutions.

Hank

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by LuxKiller65 on 29.11.05 at 08:35:19
"Hank Semenec"

:o

:-X

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 29.11.05 at 12:19:59


11-29-05

Since we are on the subject of DVI....


Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by osckhar on 29.11.05 at 12:24:58
I like that card -Nice catch!

ps. Only 2 owners known!

Oscar

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by NitroX infinity on 29.11.05 at 12:26:30
Compaq card?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by edmundoab on 29.11.05 at 16:02:45
thought I did buy one of those cards without the tv tuner card,
but it would have been nice if it went higher then 183 Mhz

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 29.11.05 at 18:45:54
@ Hank

thank you very much Master of all Voodoo ;)

@ Gary

that's a nice card Gary way to go mate haha nice one! 1 of 2 worldwide huh wow rather something hehe.


Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Rolo01 on 29.11.05 at 20:52:04
What is that big 3dfx chip above the bios chip for ?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 29.11.05 at 21:08:23
that is support for the DVI

here's what Hank said what it exactly was ;)


wrote on 28.11.05 at 16:54:25:
The big 3DFX chip to the left top is LCD scaling chip.

V3 could not scale up to provide digital drive to fixed resolution digital monitor.

If you had monitor that could only support 1024 by 768, you could not drive basic VGA modes onto the screen without it.

Hank

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 30.11.05 at 12:28:49


11-30-05

Image/Accel Velocity Voodoo 3 PCI

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 30.11.05 at 12:54:31
Actually a 3dfx Voodoo3 3000 PCI 16MB 7ns SGRAM Rev.D 0700 right? hmm only packed by another vendor, maybe that vendor bought the left overs from 3dfx, Though I have seen some of these on ebay some time ago, I do remem that I posted it in the ebay topic, it was being sold by an Australian bloke. But hey still a nice Find.  8)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Eye-Q on 30.11.05 at 12:55:12
Looks like the box is in "mint" condition, sadly sometimes rare boxes (e.g. VoodooMAC 5500 PCI euro-box) can be found only in bad conditions.

Apart from the box it's a common (repacked) V3 3k PCI, isn't it?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 30.11.05 at 22:47:01
Card was sold while 3dfx was in business, the company had a deal with 3dfx to sell them stateside.

The card has a bios revision I have not seen before, .08

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 01.12.05 at 04:36:49


12-1-05

Asian market V3-2000 mini-box complete!


Hmm, 12 more posting days left, I'll have to come up with some really spiffy items the last week.

hehhehehehehe.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 01.12.05 at 04:39:42
You are a man filled with supprises Gary ;) is that Voodoo3 2000 AGP box alot smaller than the regular one?

A shame that her beautifull Purple Face has some Art damage  :'(

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 01.12.05 at 10:42:08
yeah it's tiny!!!! though the Savage4 boxes next to them are sweet also :+


Crikey hay woah! well the Japs use NTSC that's for sure look at the back of this V3 3K5 AGP TV Box:

3dfx Voodoo3 3500 AGP TV/JA JA  [JA = Japan ;) ]

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 02.12.05 at 12:17:04


12-2-05

Aisan market V3-3000 new boxed.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 02.12.05 at 12:43:18
free software inside!!!

Needfor speed III & the best game in it and one of the best ever made :

Descent3!!! Whoo Hoo Hoo that game was made for Voodoo3 actually ;)


Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by ALT-F13 on 02.12.05 at 12:53:16
By the way Gary your 'asian' V3-2k and 3k have major difference :)
V3-2K is _chinese_, while V3-3K is _japanese_ (note the different kanji on the boxes). If you'll look on the picture posted by Obi-Wan (with different japanese cards) you'll notice that writings on the V3-2K box are different from yours. That's because they are 2 different box versions for China and Japan.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 02.12.05 at 22:27:04
Yes that is correct, I was just being generic when I stated "Asian market"

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 02.12.05 at 22:48:48
yeah looks great Gary, nice grab mate ;) and are ya gonna get the Asian 3500 also?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 02.12.05 at 23:35:59
No, it's the same size as the states side version.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 03.12.05 at 14:03:22


12-3-05

ASUS Banshee

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Eye-Q on 03.12.05 at 14:27:49

wrote on 02.12.05 at 23:35:59:
No, it's the same size as the states side version.

I think there is no chance in getting the "manslayer" into such a small box. ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 03.12.05 at 17:53:53
I think I'll post something Quantum3D related this Sunday.

=)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 04.12.05 at 04:55:01
12-04-05



As some of you know I have returned to fixing cars at a local Dodge dealership not far from my home.

Now being a fan of 3dfx and Quantum3D it didn't take me long to come up with something related that I could bring to work and be practical as well ;-)

The business has wireless Internet access and Chrysler has a lot of their Technical Service data that can be reviewed via a Dealer portal not to mention I have lots of repair database programs that would be handy to have on hand.

So between not wishing to use the shops computer (I perfer my own for security and privacy) I hatched a (low budget) plan.

Step one was to take a spare Quantum3D Graphite 810 motherboard with Celeron 433 CPU and install it in a Gateway MicroATX tower I had lying about. It was the right size for what I needed and free.

128 MB of ram was installed (free) the Gateway CD-ROM and floppy were reused (free) and I installed a fan in the front of the case for better airflow (also free)

Network access is via 2.4 ghz Linksys USB adapter from Newegg.com ($24)

Step two was to trip out to the garage where the chassis was modified with a saw to utilize a real ATX power supply (free) instead of the dinky 80 watt original and to pass a number of case pieces through the spray booth for a nice semi-flat black finish.

Step three was to assemble it all with a 10 gig ($4 off Ebay) dual boot drive (Win95/Win2000Pro) and install a number of automotive database programs.

Step four was to take an old Snap-On side cabinet and give it a good cleaning. After the cleaning and sanding was completed it was attacked with a hole saw front and rear for ventilation and cable access.

Step five was a nice krinkle black paint job (Autozone, $5.99 a can) and install a spare set of Mercury fan grills.

The cabinet hangs off the side of my main box with the monitor on top, the wireless keyboard and mouse ($19.99, Newegg.com) sit in the top draw of my main box. All I have to do is fire the system up in the morning and lock the cabinet for security.

So now I'll be able to access the net from my toolbox at work with my stylish "Quantum3d" work terminal so I can be more productive fixing cars  ;D












Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 04.12.05 at 14:59:57
the cover case looks great Gary :D the whole idea is a piece of art actually ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by paulpsomiadis on 04.12.05 at 15:40:15
VERY, Very nice modding! ;D 8)

But it doesn't have any 3Dfx chips in it! :'(

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 04.12.05 at 15:45:57

wrote on 04.12.05 at 15:40:15:
VERY, Very nice modding!


Thanks, it was a fairly quick job.


wrote on 04.12.05 at 15:40:15:
But it doesn't have any 3Dfx chips in it! :'(


Nope (hence no "3dfx inside" decal)

Quantum3D used these motherboards in the bulk of their Ultracade arcade systems which mostly have old school 2D games that require no 3D.


Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 04.12.05 at 16:15:23
so Quantum3D used the Graphite boards leftovers  in those machines also?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 04.12.05 at 16:22:01

wrote on 04.12.05 at 16:15:23:
so Quantum3D used the Graphite boards leftovers  in those machines also?


Not sure what you mean by "leftover" the 810 motherboard based Graphite systems would have been used in large numbers for the arcade market and Quantum3D/Ultracade sold them for a number of years.

I think they just stopped using the Graphite systems in the last year or two, so the platform really had legs considering they were in use for close to 5 years.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 04.12.05 at 16:45:55
hehe well what I mean by Leftovers  that's a Aussie word for the unsold items So I was thinkings that maybe Quatum3D resold those unsold items aka leftovers to the arcade market if that were the case.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 04.12.05 at 18:21:48

wrote on 04.12.05 at 16:45:55:
hehe well what I mean by Leftovers  that's a Aussie word for the unsold items So I was thinkings that maybe Quatum3D resold those unsold items aka leftovers to the arcade market if that were the case.


I doubt it- The only market they had for machines with no or little 3D capabilities would have been the Ultracade arcade consoles.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gamma742 on 05.12.05 at 01:36:34
Heheh!

That power supply in a microATX case looks huge :o

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 05.12.05 at 11:33:28
No Sh*t Sherlock ;D  it sure does look huge Gamma742 hehe but still the Quantum3D decals on the case give it the finishing toutch, norries there hay Gary  8) 8) 8)

echt toppie hoor ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 05.12.05 at 11:52:42


12-5-05

Powercolor EvilKing Voodoo 3 PCI

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by NitroX infinity on 05.12.05 at 16:19:40
Is it a Pro or Extreme? Or did PowerColor also sell 143MHz clocked V3's?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by ALT-F13 on 05.12.05 at 22:43:58
Should be Pro = 166 MHz.

BTW rev.1.0 have noticeable differences (though also yellow PCB color). And slightly other box design (with old 3dfx logos, a bit other artwork, big "Voodoo 3" writing on the front instead of "EvilKing 3" and "EvilKing 3" writings on sides instead of "Powered by Voodoo 3"). I have both revisions boxed new (and 2.0 even spare sealed), so can compare them head-to-head:)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 05.12.05 at 23:24:30

wrote on 05.12.05 at 22:43:58:
Should be Pro = 166 MHz.


It is but oddly enough comes with 143 mhz bios too.

BTW- This was sold as Mac PCI board, it was a PC box with a tacky Mac decal with a CD-R disc with drivers and bios with instruction on how to flash to Mac use.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 06.12.05 at 04:56:58


12-6-05

5500 AGP "1400" A0

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 06.12.05 at 19:03:37
that Rev.A0 1400 rusn at cores/mem 143Mhz does it not, and this card was 3dfx's final disition for the cards Layout I believe.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by osckhar on 06.12.05 at 19:08:17
@Obi,
My A0 V5 5500 works to 166MHz.

Oscar

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 06.12.05 at 22:34:33
I'm fairly sure my 1400 board is clocked at 166 mhz.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 06.12.05 at 23:18:01
hmm I must of been confused with the Voodoo5 5500 AGP Rev.A1 0900 the one with the rework above the AGP connector and with tracing for second VGA.

here's that model that confused me:
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album203/V5_5500_Engineer_Sample.thumb.jpg

here's that rework I meant:
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album203/Cableado.thumb.jpg

Click Thumbnails To Enlarge!!! ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 07.12.05 at 13:02:50


12-7-05

New boxed Arcade FX Voodoo I

(hat tip to the friend who provided it)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 07.12.05 at 13:08:54
Nice Fine Gary, looks in good condition also, hmm never heard of that brand though. Where is this brand originated from?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by NitroX infinity on 07.12.05 at 14:03:46
Gary, is it a reseller (someone else's card) or is it a manufacturer? In case of the latter, would and could you post an image of the card?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by NitroX infinity on 07.12.05 at 16:48:40
You know what would fit in perfectly here, as in 'goodness' ?


Rampage benchmarks; the same you did for your V5 6000 with the Geforce's. ;D

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 07.12.05 at 22:19:21
I think that the 6K would beat the Specter 1K AGP in pure speed. though the Specter 1K does have 128 DDR so there may be a chance in some apps it might even bypass the Voodoo5 5500 AGP.

Anyways this is my speculation hehe

The Hardware maybe near to perfection but if the software doesn't cope that well even benching it wouldn't be like it should be, unless there is a way of creating better drivers for it, but I must conclude my brains don't have that capabillity to improve those drivers my lads :-X

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 07.12.05 at 22:45:19

wrote on 07.12.05 at 13:08:54:
Nice Fine Gary, looks in good condition also, hmm never heard of that brand though. Where is this brand originated from?


Best Data, a low end but fairly popular brand.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 07.12.05 at 22:48:13

wrote on 07.12.05 at 14:03:46:
Gary, is it a reseller (someone else's card) or is it a manufacturer? In case of the latter, would and could you post an image of the card?


The board actually states "Best Data" on it, of Chatsworth California.

Otherwise it looks just like a Monster board.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 07.12.05 at 22:50:07

wrote on 07.12.05 at 22:19:21:
I think that the 6K would beat the Specter 1K AGP in pure speed.


The Rampage has a higher clock, the V6K more bandwith and 4 chips.

I'd give the nod to the V6K, I imagine drivers are a bit more robust too.

Don't know when I will have benches, have to wait and see.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 08.12.05 at 12:53:10


12-8-05

"0900" 5500 AGP clocked at 143 mhz

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 08.12.05 at 13:40:30
yeah that's the bugga I was confused with heeh some cards do look alike sometimes

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 09.12.05 at 06:18:30


12-9-05

Three channel Iron system-

The system has three 200SBi in internal swaplock config with a Supermirco P6 motherboard, Viper 550, Intel 10/100 PCI NIC, dual P3's with 512 MB of ram.

Everything is Quantum3D spec correct (even the drives) and I'm told by one Q3D employee the only thing missing is a heavy coating of dust  ;D

The manual is my touch- It includes all the documentation for the system and pieces along with driver discs, as Quantum3D would have shipped with a system.

The Iron systems were "entry level" with a large number of options ranging from as simple as a Intel Seattle single CPU motherboard with a single 200SBi, or Ventana Voodoo 3 to dual cpu BX or GX motherboards with multi-channel video boards like this.

This was a very challenging project, but rewarding.









And one final shot for fun-



Personally I'm surprised the Dell box held up long enough for me to snap this pic.

More pictures here-

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/album340

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by BFG3dfx on 09.12.05 at 08:07:47
Ah, i should say something, ah let me go wipe the drool off first,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,how about i cant believe my own eye's, very nice Gary :o

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by TM30 on 09.12.05 at 11:48:09
OMG... SICK SICK  8)

(very nice)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 09.12.05 at 13:48:32

wrote on 09.12.05 at 09:06:47:
Very nice, Gary ;D

Note- One picture has a broken [img]-tag ;)


Fixed.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gamma742 on 09.12.05 at 17:37:21


Quote:
The system has three 200SBi in internal swaplock config with a Supermirco P6 motherboard, Viper 550, Intel 10/100 PCI NIC, dual P3's with 512 MB of ram.  




Now that's putting good use to the 200SBi cards ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 09.12.05 at 17:45:32
yeah sure looks amazing Gary even the Diamond Multimedia Viper V550 AGP is verywell visible :) that's a good Riva TNT card as well, I used to have that with a Skywell Technology Magic 3D II 2x 12MB SLi setup in my old Pentium!!!/E 650Mhz system many years ago.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 09.12.05 at 18:14:52
The AGP Iron systems built in this time period with 200SBi's were generally available with either a Viper 550 or ATI Rage Pro 8MB, later a Viper 770.

A system with a GX motherboard would use the onboard Cirrus Logic chipset for 2D of course.

I went for the Viper 550 as it was closer in date to the other parts of the system and the driver disc was shown in the manual-


Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 09.12.05 at 18:22:28
nice toy to play Descent3 with  :-* and that it's so complete also must be a very rare piece to come accross :X

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 09.12.05 at 18:38:43
Actually it's a 3 channel system (left/right/center) so it'd really no better at rendering Decent 3 then a single 200SBi.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 09.12.05 at 18:42:09
hmm okay but that's like my old 2x 12MB  Skywell Voodoo2 SLI set or actually any Voodoo2 SLi set inpersonal then, though could it do FSAA x2 & x4? or were 4 Obsidian 200 SBi's needed for that?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 09.12.05 at 19:02:51

wrote on 09.12.05 at 18:42:09:
though could it do FSAA x2 & x4? or were 4 Obsidian 200 SBi's needed for that?


Mercury required for that, though some of the Iron systems were suppose to do edge AA rather then full screen.

Still investgating that aspect, all 3dfx boards are suppose to do edge AA but there is a performance impact of course.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by paulpsomiadis on 10.12.05 at 02:30:12
HOLY GOD IN A HANDBASKET! :o :o

That picture is madder than a bag full of badgers! :D

VERY, VERY KEWL! ;D 8)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 10.12.05 at 02:44:30

wrote on 10.12.05 at 02:30:12:
That picture is madder than a bag full of badgers! :D


If I have time, I'll update it with what came from Gamma the other day.


Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 10.12.05 at 02:46:41
hehe that sounds like something Big I think gary ;D hehe you're always filled of supprises ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 10.12.05 at 06:10:01
Iron pictures have been updated, worth taking a look see.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 10.12.05 at 06:11:54


12-10-05

A very nice Heavy Metal AAlchemy case.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by BFG3dfx on 10.12.05 at 06:53:59
you got anything to put in that one gary?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 10.12.05 at 15:32:28
The Iron System was the one with the Voodoo RUsh was it not? If I can remember hehe.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 10.12.05 at 15:44:03

wrote on 10.12.05 at 15:32:28:
The Iron System was the one with the Voodoo RUsh was it not?


Nope, THe Quicksilver system has a Voodoo Rush based MGV-PCI and a S-12 AGP.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 10.12.05 at 15:44:31

wrote on 10.12.05 at 06:53:59:
you got anything to put in that one gary?


<evil laugh>

Oh yes, several ideas.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 10.12.05 at 15:59:41
hmm maybe a place for a second AALchemy 8164 :-X that would be nice, maybe you can cluster them as one suystem or isn't that possible?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 10.12.05 at 22:37:40

wrote on 22.11.05 at 14:42:48:
bios bios bios *wanna have* :D :D :D


Sent 13 this afternoon.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 11.12.05 at 15:09:59
That Voodoo5 6000 AGP 128MB Rev.A1 1500 with Legacy Voodoo Volts is still my favourite one :) those cards are so hard to get at hehe and since you have an operational one that makes it very exclusive.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 11.12.05 at 21:01:55



12-11-05

Since it turns out I have more items then days left before the 15'th I thought I'd post a double today  ;D

The first item is a V3 PCI with SGRAM dated early 99. I do have another PCI board like it with an external RAMDAC chip. The heatsink isn't original, just something I added so I could run the board (which does function)

The second item is a shirt from a friend of mine, brand new.

Them 3dfx guys sure did like their golf.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 11.12.05 at 21:27:54
WoW nice stuff :) never seen that Ole style 3Dfx Polo shirt before, looks nifty and very neat :)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 11.12.05 at 21:36:32
Pity the room lighting makes it look yellow at the top, it isn't.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by BFG3dfx on 11.12.05 at 21:45:29
i like that card with that heatsink on there, looks nice and that is a nice shirt that you dont really ever see.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 12.12.05 at 12:13:57


Looks normal right?



12-12-05

4500 PCI with Clamshell socket, bios 1.11

Yes, it works.




Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by TM30 on 12.12.05 at 13:35:02
1337 absolutely  ;D

heatsink with copper-plate , NICE

gary you're the king...

... i wish i had such sources of getting cards... money is not really the problem... what the heck i am working for... ::)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 12.12.05 at 14:24:44
By The Masters Of The Force!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now this is really the breaking Point Gary, I always had the idea that there were things that we haven't seen yet  , when I saw The clamp shell Rev.A0 4600 of the Rampage I first thought that it was totally something new, but now I see that they used that sollution for the Voodoo4 4500 Oven boards also, rather amazes me, though it is a cheaper way of testing the GPU's on those Ovenboards right?

Hmm I'n not so sure why 3dfx used the Clamp-Shell Technology, was it to save time for fitting the cards with heatsinks and fans or was it meant for ultimate cooling there by stressing out the cards to thier max speeds?

Anyways Ithere must be many qustions about this, I wonder what you think about that idea, there by I'd like to hear you out , I suppose we all would :)

one thing the year 2005 is just gett'n better by tha everyone, that's for sure ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Chosen_One on 12.12.05 at 17:22:19
thx for the bios...

but WTF ?!? damn nice card...but you posted this evil socket v4 at 12.12.! what for a card will be posted at 15.12.?

1. A0 clamshell rampage?
2. v4-2 4000?
3. osckhar's v5 5500 agp4x (joke ;) )
4. aalchemy 4116 (4x avenger)
5. aalchemy 8464 (4x 8164 with 32x vsa100)?

i'm really inquisitive...

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gamma742 on 12.12.05 at 17:43:03
If he's holding an 8464 I'm flying out to see that one in action :o

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by hanksemenec on 12.12.05 at 17:45:45
4500 PCI if for chip test only. It was never intended for production. The cost of the socket is about $1000.

You can test chips before solderring them down, it saves a lot of debug time.

The socket is from Nepenthe, it uses gold plated spring loaded pogo pins to make contact between the PCB and the chip. The coper tape is there to increase the force on the chip, when it is installed in the socket. The pins wear down after several hundred of insertions.

Hank

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by NitroX infinity on 12.12.05 at 17:45:53
I'd be more surprised if the lucky bastard (;)) got a hold of an AAlchemy 3 or one of the T&L cards ;D

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 12.12.05 at 21:55:47

All of us have bad luck and good luck. The man who persists through the bad luck - who keeps right on going - is the man who is there when the good luck comes - and is ready to receive it.

Robert Collier

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by BFG3dfx on 12.12.05 at 22:50:13
Ive never seen someone more determined to take the time to turn over every stone to find something, i know i have my limits even though i want something i will go only so far, sometimes because i get tired sometimes because i havent done the proper research to go farther, ive learned alot about hunting things down from you Gary, ty.


now to keep on thread, are you gonna do any benchies for this month, if so id like to see your 6k box against the 8way q3d system you got, i know there running different mobo's, cpu's but that's the reality of there limits, if not here a showdown on your site maybe.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 12.12.05 at 23:01:25
It's time for some Rampy Rock'n Roll Yieeee Haaaaa Grand Pa, that would be cool ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 13.12.05 at 11:42:39



12-13-05

Chips anyone?

Yes I know, not very exciting but the best is being saved for last ;-)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 13.12.05 at 13:58:10
hmm I've seen those keyrings in this topic also in your "Call This Art Topic" as my photographic memory recalls:

http://www.falconfly-central.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=general;action=display;num=1128385625

hehe don't mind about my reaction then haha it looks great Gary , Changed I have ;)

remeber you said this hahaha:


wrote on 04.10.05 at 03:55:17:
No! I stripped them from perfectly operating Mercury and 4116 systems!!



























Of course they were from dead cards!

I thought it would be a nice touch having a Voodoo 2 chip for a Mercury system keyring =)


Brilliant!!! Now I get it! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Chosen_One on 13.12.05 at 14:31:47
2 days left :(

but nice chips ;) i hope the next two cards/things will be the overkill...

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 13.12.05 at 14:38:23
Well I have a feeling that they will blow our minds out of Hyper Space ;D ;D 8)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by TM30 on 13.12.05 at 22:08:31
Fear and Mojo ;)

just joking...

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 14.12.05 at 03:26:41

wrote on 13.12.05 at 22:08:31:
Fear and Mojo ;)

just joking...


You never know what will turn up.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by TM30 on 14.12.05 at 11:35:08

wrote on 14.12.05 at 03:26:41:
You never know what will turn up.



ah one note... so on 24.Dec we will see this card  8)

;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 14.12.05 at 12:38:01
12-14-05

Nothing today, I hoped to have something in hand but it did not work out.

Tomorrow *four* boards, feel free to speculate.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by NitroX infinity on 14.12.05 at 13:04:31
The *four* makes me suspect you might have a four-chip card in store for us.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 14.12.05 at 13:10:34
hmm always full of supprises tomorrah will be a nice day :)

BTW My V6K system is prepared, the 8K3A+ came in today :) System is ready for Take-Off!

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Chosen_One on 14.12.05 at 13:17:08
this was the original post....three instead of *four*....


wrote on 14.12.05 at 12:38:01:
12-14-05

Nothing today, I hoped to have something in hand but it did not work out.

Tomorrow three boards, feel free to speculate.


Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 14.12.05 at 13:19:47
Isense you are right Chosen_One, I sense something will really shock us hahah ... OMG! :-X

Hay one thing boys! Gary is always stacked with nice supprises, that's a fact, just another Dorrito's Moment ;D

Yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii haaaaaa

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by TM30 on 14.12.05 at 13:32:52
Dual or Quad Voodoo 3 would also be nice  ;D

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 14.12.05 at 23:28:45


Here is a picture for today- Like the Iron system, I have made manuals for Mercury and AAlchemy. They contain the Quantum3D owners manuals along with sub-manuals for the drive tray, network card, sound card, video card, etc along with driver and system discs.

In some cases finding original driver discs is very difficult! The Viper 550 disk for the Iron system took many weeks of searching on message boards and Ebay.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 14.12.05 at 23:32:49
Nice Documents Gary :) they make everything complete :)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 15.12.05 at 00:21:25
One day in 1996 I was over a friends house. We had been in a mutual "arms race" over PC hardware.

I was running a bus overclocked 166 (75 mhz) with the original overclocker board from ASUS.

His latest purchase was a Dell with a P-200 which up until *this day* my bus overclocked machine would run over on a regular basis.

On that day in 1996, he fired up GLQuake running on Orchid Rightous 3dfx Voodoo Graphics board.

Thanks to those at 3dfx for changing graphics, forever, you have not been forgotten.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 15.12.05 at 00:35:19


1) Daytona PCI "3900", currently in the hands of the master of disaster for tune up and oil change.

The plan is after getting the card to function again to replace the ram with 64 MB of 3.3 ns ram swiped off a GF-5700 and aim for 275+ mhz.

From there extrapolate possible Daytona 5500/6000 performance based on the results.



2) V5-6000 A2 with Voodoo Volts, former property of noted 3dfx collector, now here. Perfect function. Oscar has the twin to this board #006



3) Yes, the Comdex V5-6000.

It had fan headers so why not a few fans? looks b i t c h ' n! as we say in the states.













4) Quantum3D 4116 prototype.

Yes I am going to try and get it functioning.


Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Chosen_One on 15.12.05 at 00:44:04
HEAVY METAL!!!

the 4166 ...the comdex...the daytona...everything rocks...

unfortunatelly it is a bad day :( but such cards make me laugh ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 15.12.05 at 00:44:57
well 4 units indeed :D wow , well that Rev.A2 2600 is a beauty woei so that Black AALchemy 4116  8) 8) 8) 8)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by NitroX infinity on 15.12.05 at 00:48:32
Aha! So I was right about that V3 AAlchemy.
Good luck with your overclocking project :)


BTW, Chosen_One, shouldn't you be asking for BIOS'? ;D

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by st4r4m4m4 on 15.12.05 at 00:54:05
Donovan u complete us, keep up the good work!

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by paulpsomiadis on 15.12.05 at 02:16:44
OMFG! WTF! HOLY CR@P... :o :o :o

[the poster of this message was suddenly rushed to hospital after he spontaneously combusted] :P

LOL! ;D

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 15.12.05 at 02:23:22
Someone passed this picture along to me-



Full size is here-

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album52/VR.jpg

Note it has a Voodoo Graphics, not Voodoo II chipset.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by st4r4m4m4 on 15.12.05 at 02:27:17
Wow, I have never seen a picture of any of these realvision boards in more than about 300x200 resolution

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 15.12.05 at 02:28:47
hmm wierd stuff Gary looks like that there was a second PCI connector possible of even planned :) Is this sample yours? or is it going to be yours?

Well still an odd look'n thing I must say :)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 15.12.05 at 02:30:42

wrote on 15.12.05 at 02:27:17:
Wow, I have never seen a picture of any of these realvision boards in more than about 300x200 resolution


Someone watching the board caught an inquiry and passed a picture along to me.

No, I don't own this one.

Would be nice though, I'll have to tap a few of my friends in Asia and see what can be found.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 15.12.05 at 02:34:50
at first I thought it was a Voodoo Rush like board beacuse of the NEC chip and the SDRam above it, but then you mentioned Voodoo Graphics then I got confused, could it be a combination of a Voodoo Rush idea with a Voodoo Graphics part on it instead of a Voodoo Rush part?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 15.12.05 at 03:50:38

wrote on 15.12.05 at 02:16:44:
[the poster of this message was suddenly rushed to hospital after he spontaneously combusted]


Not bad, I liked this one better:

"That picture is madder than a bag full of badgers!"

;D

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Chosen_One on 15.12.05 at 08:59:40

wrote on 15.12.05 at 00:48:32:
BTW, Chosen_One, shouldn't you be asking for BIOS'? ;D


hehe...no :P

1. the comdex 6k does not work
2. i already got the A2 2600 bios in my last bios package from gary ;)
3. i already have the daytona bios (i think)
4. aalchemy 4116 does not work (yet)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by TM30 on 15.12.05 at 09:29:27
again and again: Gary you're 1337  8)

that Quantum 3D Card, is it a quad or even 8 Voodoo3 chips on it?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by NitroX infinity on 15.12.05 at 11:18:30

wrote on 15.12.05 at 09:29:27:
again and again: Gary you're 1337  8)

that Quantum 3D Card, is it a quad or even 8 Voodoo3 chips on it?

4 V3 chips. Memory is on the back, cooling (heatsink) is also on the back.

Chosen_One, Apparently there's someone with the green AALchemy 4116. If I'm not mistaking, that one is working. I don't know if I should say the name so I'm leaving that up to Gary :)



wrote on 15.12.05 at 02:23:22:
Someone passed this picture along to me-

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album52/VR.sized.jpg

Full size is here-

http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album52/VR.jpg

Note it has a Voodoo Graphics, not Voodoo II chipset.

Is that the VREngine VD1? Would make sense since the VD2 has a V2 chipset :P

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 15.12.05 at 11:46:06

wrote on 15.12.05 at 11:18:30:
Chosen_One, Apparently there's someone with the green AALchemy 4116. If I'm not mistaking, that one is working.


Nope- 4116 requires a unique power supply like 8164.

The prototype board I have doesn't "require" a power board like the almost production pieces as it has ring terminals at the top.  

Since I'm pretty sure 4 Voodoo 3 chips pulls a heck of a lot less amps then 8 VSA-100 chips I feel a wee bit safer tinkering with the board with a normal power supply.


Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 15.12.05 at 12:31:33
would it use about the same amount as out V6K's?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 15.12.05 at 12:32:37

wrote on 15.12.05 at 12:31:33:
would it use about the same amount as out V6K's?


Less I would imagine since Voodoo 3's have a few million less transistors each.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Thandor on 15.12.05 at 15:32:02

wrote on 15.12.05 at 12:32:37:
Less I would imagine since Voodoo 3's have a few million less transistors each.
Depends on the chip manufacturing process, too.
0,35Micron Avengers will generate more heat (and use more power than) the 0,25 micreon chips. Since it's unlikely that Quantum3D used 0,35Micron chips I think the V3 will be slightly cooler than the VSA-100.

But that's only what I think. Maybe Hank does know the correct answer ?  ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Chosen_One on 15.12.05 at 20:39:27

wrote on 15.12.05 at 11:18:30:
Chosen_One, Apparently there's someone with the green AALchemy 4116. If I'm not mistaking, that one is working. I don't know if I should say the name so I'm leaving that up to Gary :)


yesterday obiwan told me that amigamerlin owns this 4116 with green pcb...

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by paulpsomiadis on 15.12.05 at 22:32:29
Even if Gary could get a VREngine card - it'd be a pain in the 'you know where' to try and get it to work... :P

Weren't they only used in Arcade cabinets or something or for simulation purposes? ???

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 15.12.05 at 23:10:24

wrote on 15.12.05 at 22:32:29:
Even if Gary could get a VREngine card - it'd be a pain in the 'you know where' to try and get it to work... :P


I would not even try.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by TM30 on 15.12.05 at 23:40:03
why? no time for testing?

or do i misunderstand something?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 15.12.05 at 23:51:48

wrote on 15.12.05 at 23:40:03:
why? no time for testing?


Would not try and get a VR board to function, drivers would be a problem I'd imagine.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by TM30 on 15.12.05 at 23:55:41
perhaps the manufacturer can deliver the drivers... the realvision site is still up and running..

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by garyatwork on 16.12.05 at 14:01:18
The  Heavy Metal work computer is now online

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by TM30 on 16.12.05 at 14:20:29
hi threre  8)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gamma742 on 16.12.05 at 18:40:57

wrote on 16.12.05 at 14:01:18:
The  Heavy Metal work computer is now online


If you won't get it trouble, I'd (we'd) sure like to see it in it's native environment. Pics please ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by LuxKiller65 on 16.12.05 at 19:42:05
Gary, you gonna make us have a heart attack someday...

:o

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 16.12.05 at 22:44:59

wrote on 16.12.05 at 18:40:57:
If you won't get it trouble, I'd (we'd) sure like to see it in it's native environment. Pics please ;)


Sure, I'll try on Monday.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Thandor on 18.12.05 at 18:10:22
Quantum3D 4116 goodness  ;D
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album145/Quantum3D_4116_1024x768.thumb.jpg http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album145/Quantum3D_4116_1280x960.thumb.jpg http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album145/Quantum3D_4116_1600x1200.thumb.jpg
1024x768, 1280x960, 1600x1200

The wallpaper is a bit dark but I like it that way. When using a white background it's too light and flashy.
The 1600x1200 model is 1MB big so it might take some time to load  ;)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 18.12.05 at 19:19:57

wrote on 15.12.05 at 20:39:27:
yesterday obiwan told me that amigamerlin owns this 4116 with green pcb...



yeah here the Quantum3D AALchemy 4116 with Green PCB from AmigaMerlin:

Click Thumbnail To Enlarge!
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album204/4116_G.thumb.jpg

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by paulpsomiadis on 19.12.05 at 00:34:49

Quote:
Sure, I'll try on Monday.


Which one, the pics or a heart attack...? ???

LOL! ROFL! ;D

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 19.12.05 at 00:45:34
System pics at work.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by NitroX infinity on 19.12.05 at 11:45:31
Gary, something that might have occured to you already, but I'm really curious about it.

The Voodoo 2 supported SDRAM right? Would 3dfx not have made a prototype with SDRAM then? To test if it would really work?

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 19.12.05 at 11:59:08
The data paper from 3dfx indicates both SDRAM and SGRAM support.

I have never heard or seen of a V2 with SGRAM, perhaps the support was in theory since the required ram might have been expensive or unavailable.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 19.12.05 at 12:07:55
maybe that SDRAM and SGRAM on Banshee cards is an example that it is possible since that the Banshee nothing else is but a Voodoo2 chip with just one TMU.

okay maybe abit more advanced since it can do 2D also

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gdonovan on 19.12.05 at 23:00:11


The place of business.



System locked in (blue tote down at the bottom is where the dirty shop rags go) Monitor is an old Digital system unit that displays 800 x 600 max so not worried if something happens to it.



Cabinet open, you can see power strip and speakers on left side and spare USB hub on top of system. On top of the monitor is the Linksys USB adapter. I'm surprised at the range, I can see the network access hub of the dealership next door.



Keyboard and mouse combo in top draw of main box.



Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Thandor on 19.12.05 at 23:06:20
Looks good Gary  ;D

You should paint some of those cars in 3dfx style 8)
Like the Volkswagen V3 Promocar.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 20.12.05 at 00:43:37
Gary I like your Work Jacket also ;) Looks like a Bomber Jacket , the ones the B-52 Pilots wore after a plane accident, they wore them inside out , so the Pilots can be found, because of the Bright Orange colour.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by st4r4m4m4 on 20.12.05 at 04:21:27
Looking at the monitor seems Gary checks FalconFly forums during the lunch break ;D

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 20.12.05 at 11:20:44
Yeaps,

" An Admin's Gotta Do What An Admin's Gotta Do "  ;D

but yeah I supppose everyone noticed that, nice to see it though :)

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by BFG3dfx on 21.12.05 at 05:09:21
thats pretty cool man, 3dfx at work, the best.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by TM30 on 21.12.05 at 18:17:46
this picture with cars makes me think...

gary, yeah i know a 3dfx item you do NOT own yet! (oooooh yes, you thought you got all, but you're dead wrong  ;D)

Its the Green 3dfx Voodoo 3 painted VW Beetle  ;D

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Chosen_One on 21.12.05 at 18:33:17

wrote on 21.12.05 at 18:17:46:
Its the Green 3dfx Voodoo 3 painted VW Beetle  ;D


overkill...

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Thandor on 21.12.05 at 18:33:17

wrote on 21.12.05 at 18:17:46:
this picture with cars makes me think...

gary, yeah i know a 3dfx item you do NOT own yet! (oooooh yes, you thought you got all, but you're dead wrong  ;D)

Its the Green 3dfx Voodoo 3 painted VW Beetle  ;D

3Dfx VW beetle
If it we're a Dodge he would've had the car already  ;D

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Chosen_One on 21.12.05 at 18:35:36
lol...2 posts in the same second...

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by TM30 on 21.12.05 at 18:35:55

wrote on 21.12.05 at 18:33:17:
overkill...



probably not for gary  ::)

;)

BTW: "found" another 3dfx car  ;D

http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/2056/trabant756008wa.jpg

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by st4r4m4m4 on 21.12.05 at 18:59:10
This for sure adds 200% more power to this kind of car, Overkill! :D

Thank god everything's not powered by Voodoo

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 21.12.05 at 20:25:53
@ TM30 haha a Trabant you're Funny man haha
;D ;D ;D ;D

but the idea is cool though.

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by gamma742 on 22.12.05 at 02:41:17
Clean up those jaggies >:(

Title: Re: A month of 3dfx goodness
Post by Obi-Wan_Kenobi on 22.12.05 at 12:34:22
@ Gamma742 No Shit Sherlock  FSAA disabled I guess for better performance, Since Trabants weren't fast hehe, did you know that they are made of Polyester!! Man one crash there will be nothing left but Junk! LOL ;D

Okay everyone I know we are drifting off again, which isn't the idea.

Gary Any new stuff mate, it's been rather quiet :) I sense something gracefull will happen, as for My 6K which is still @ Forign Customs :-X Oh well She'll pop up one day I quite ashure of that.

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