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Re: Upgrade time
Reply #30 - 06.07.04 at 15:25:29
 
Well, unless FSAA, Aniso and/or High Resolutions are used that is, so it's not that bad (and the Card will live through his next CPU upgrades as a Bonus).

However, Framerates will indeed be otherwise CPU limited...
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Reply #31 - 06.07.04 at 15:56:15
 
Well I can run Counter Strike, GTA:VC and DeusEx2 at 1024*768*32bit with 4x FSAA and 16x Aniso without any performance loss..

and that's on a 64mb radeon 8500 with a pentium3 733mhz..

don't think he'll have problems with his 9600xt..
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Reply #32 - 06.07.04 at 15:59:24
 
I personally would'nt purchase a video card with logic of limiting the video cards performance to a 1500 mhz cpu.

I would buy the best card possible (taking into consideration budget constraints) with the thinking I could still use the card with a cpu/system upgrade Wink
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Reply #33 - 06.07.04 at 16:04:14
 
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Well, unless FSAA, Aniso and/or High Resolutions are used that is, so it's not that bad (and the Card will live through his next CPU upgrades as a Bonus).



Correct- I play in 1024 x 768 with all graphics options cranked to the max and FSAA x 6 and Filtering set to 8x or better. Since I don't run at 1600 x 1200 the extra ram of the 256 meg cards would be useless.

Pound for pound the 9800 will be faster (even when cpu limited) then the 9600 due to double the pipelines when everything is turned on, a key piece to remember and the price difference between the 9600 and the 9800 isn't all that great.

As a bonus when/if you upgrade the card will have more cushion for future games then the 9600.

Just some thoughts.




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Reply #34 - 06.07.04 at 17:19:57
 
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Pound for pound the 9800 will be faster (even when cpu limited)


Bullshit, I had the pleasure to test a 9800 XT 256mb on my system, and it didn't even give better performance than my 8500 64mb.

Though you're welcome to show me a benchmark of both cards on a 1ghz cpu which will show the *pound for pound* difference. Roll Eyes
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Reply #35 - 06.07.04 at 17:31:23
 
*ehm*

I do hope nobody buys a Radeon 9x00 for Counterstrike (?)

The way I understood it, the purchase Options in question were intended not for years old legacy Games like CS that run fine on 3rd line Graphics Cards, but rather serve as a future oriented investment (we're talking Farcry, UT2004, Doom3, HL2 and alike Engines)
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Reply #36 - 06.07.04 at 17:59:06
 
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Bullshit, I had the pleasure to test a 9800 XT 256mb on my system, and it didn't even give better performance than my 8500 64mb.

Though you're welcome to show me a benchmark of both cards on a 1ghz cpu which will show the *pound for pound* difference. Roll Eyes


Please re-read my post-

*with everything turned on and maxed out*

This shifts some of the burden back to the video card and a 8 pipe ATI card will handle the load better then a 4 pipe ATI card.
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Reply #37 - 06.07.04 at 18:01:52
 
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"we're talking Farcry, UT2004, Doom3, HL2 and alike Engines)"


Indeed, Doom3 will make your video card grunt a bit.

I know it does on my computer Wink
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Reply #38 - 06.07.04 at 18:23:50
 
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*ehm*

I do hope nobody buys a Radeon 9x00 for Counterstrike (?)


Who said anything about buying? Wink
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Reply #39 - 06.07.04 at 19:39:54
 
Sorry, you lost me there.

I sure as hell don't hope people are even stealing Cards to play Counterstrike then Roll Eyes
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Reply #40 - 06.07.04 at 19:43:36
 
lol

I got it as a gift for a V4 mod Smiley
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Reply #41 - 07.07.04 at 11:16:46
 
Alright people. Smiley

Well, I've bought a card, and you may be suprised as to what I have gone for.
I bought a Radeon 9500 Pro (built by ATI), fully retail boxed with all it's goodies for $76.00 (£41). Cheesy
My reasons?:

1) I took DenisF's advice on the bottlenecks my machine will produce trying to run high-end cards (even with 256Mb RAM, as I take it this extra memory won't make a difference on my mid-range machine), and that I should avoid the high-end cards as shelling out the wads of dosh for these cards will not give me the performance gains you guys with high-end machines will be getting.

2) I took gdonovan's advice on the pipeline architecture making all the difference in terms of performance, rather than video memory.  I have also seen the benchmarks between the 9500 Pro Vs. the 9600 Pro/XT, and the 9500 leaves them both standing!

3) I took my mate, paulpsomiadis' advice, as he is a hardcore modding maniac  Wink and he already has the experience with the 9500/9700 series.  He knows his stuff, so I trust his judgement completely.

This card is a good all-round card and is ideal for me.  I get some great performance from the card with it's 8 pipeline architecture, won't suffer as many performance bottlenecks as I would with say, something like a 9800 Pro, and the card was good value for money IMHO.  Smiley

Let me know what you think guys on my purchase, and if I have made a decent choice or not?
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DX9 games to run on a 9500?
Reply #42 - 07.07.04 at 11:22:19
 
One question however, as the 9500/9700 series supports DX 8.1 and 9600 series supports DX 9, which card will still run faster on DX9 games such as Doom 3 and Half-Life 2? 
Even though the 9500/9700 series outperform the 9600 series in today's games, will they still beat the 9600 series for DX9 games (as mentioned above)?

Moreover, will I be able to run Half-Life 2 and Doom 3 at an average setting and speed (say 1024x768, high settings, maybe 2x/4x AA)on the Radeon 9500 Pro?Would it be possible?  ???
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Reply #43 - 07.07.04 at 13:01:50
 
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One question however, as the 9500/9700 series supports DX 8.1 and 9600 series supports DX 9, which card will still run faster on DX9 games such as Doom 3 and Half-Life 2?  
Even though the 9500/9700 series outperform the 9600 series in today's games, will they still beat the 9600 series for DX9 games (as mentioned above)?

Moreover, will I be able to run Half-Life 2 and Doom 3 at an average setting and speed (say 1024x768, high settings, maybe 2x/4x AA)on the Radeon 9500 Pro?Would it be possible?  ???


1) The 9500 is a DX9 part

http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=3&var1=88&var2=0

2) Should support everything the Doom3 needs, only question is clockspeed.

Good compromise choice! Only downsize I see is the clockspeed compared to the 9800 but you might be able to bring that up some.




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Reply #44 - 07.07.04 at 13:51:53
 
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1) The 9500 is a DX9 part

http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=3&var1=88&var2=0

2) Should support everything the Doom3 needs, only question is clockspeed.

Good compromise choice! Only downsize I see is the clockspeed compared to the 9800 but you might be able to bring that up some.


Muchas gracias amigo para la lista!  Wink

I suppose I could give the graphics card a thrashing with the Quake Tenebrae mod as a taster! Tongue

@paulpsomiadis - Matey, I will be calling upon thou divine skills Grin in modding this excellent 9500 into a beast of a 9700!  Cheesy I'll probably want to do the softmod first, then if I'm brave enough, I'll think about crossing over to the physical hardware mod. Do you know of any forums of people who have documented their work, doing both of these exercises?
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