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Reply #195 - 22.03.07 at 14:19:27
 
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a single 8800 GTX was 2x the speed of a X1950 XTX , while it wasn't, it was  only overal 77% faster in some cases it was 89% faster

Read between the lines (bolded) - even Obi acknowledged that! Well, Obi, this time, I totally agree with you!  8)
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Reply #196 - 22.03.07 at 14:23:11
 
It's what I have trying to say many all the time, I have the feeling some don't even read my posts propperly Roll Eyes but it was never 100% faster, that NEVER happened even with a faster CPU or system setup the R580's like the G80 are very scalable on that behalf.

but then again we are all from different places and heh mis agreements happen from time Smiley norries there lads 8)
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Reply #197 - 25.03.07 at 15:54:02
 
when X2600s' hits the markets I'm gonna buy one...

BUT

if AMD-ATI runs low price politic SO how about a corssfire system
What crossfire motherboard do you recommend for LGA775 socket(not so expensive below 100€ perhaps)?

Do you think LC-power 420W is enough for X2600(and for crossfire(maybe not))??
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Reply #198 - 25.03.07 at 16:01:16
 
take an AMD Mobo it's AMD + ATi so when AM3 comes out that core will easilly crush the Conroe's Smiley and the advantage is if you have  Socket AM2 mobo, with a small bios flash you can place the Socket AM3 CPU's with out a problem Smiley


My advice? go for the MSI K9A Platinum with AMD 580X chipset the best for ATi Graphics cards for CrossFire setups.

You don't need intel when you can take an ATi card, just take an AMD Athlon64 X2 5200+ with a nice X2600XT in CF that's fast enough to run Crysis @ max settings in DX10 mode.

the AMD580X is also the most stable chipset for ATi CrossFire setups and aslo the fastest  chipset for ATi CrossFire setups with AMD CPU setups.
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Reply #199 - 25.03.07 at 17:58:35
 
well I already have a 775 mobo(waiting for new E4300)
and Intel has better power/price ratio right now

actually I hav always had Intel CPUs(286, 386, 486, Pentium 100MHz, P2 300MHz, P3 800MHz) and this duron is an exeption.(but still waiting something bone-crushing product from AMD 8) )

so I was thinking ASrock CONROEXFIRE-ESATA2 (OMG how expensive are CF MoBos from other manufacturers  Shocked )
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Reply #200 - 26.03.07 at 01:16:10
 
hmm I have some Intels here though AMD always had the best price performance factor even now an A64 X2 3800+ setup is a nice low cost performace CPU with a nice MSI K9A Platinum AMD 580X mobo anyways I'm a more Opteron guy, I prefer max stabillity at heavy stressed applications that is where the Opteron get's it's advatages with it's ECC reg memory which is qua price performance cheaper and in most cases faster than the Xeon setups.

for the Desktop the E6400 [Conroe] is a nice CPU indeed, but for me it would be not sufficiant for my Workstation needs Wink

I'd say take MSI or ASUS, AsRock is a cheap and bad quallity C brand.
At the computer shop where i worked, 9 of the 10 RMA's were AsRock Motherboards Roll Eyes It didn't matter what type it was if it was an Intel or AMD based board , it had many stabillity problems or it was defect heh.

Then I rather go for an A brand board with a much better reliabillity as quallity than that low budget stuff.
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Reply #201 - 26.03.07 at 05:31:04
 
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hmm I have some Intels here though AMD always had the best price performance factor

This is a lie. You obviously need a history lecture: Until first athlons arrived, AMD was allways  a few hundred miles behind intel - yes, it was cheaper but not as much as it was weaker. I don't know if you remember old 486, or AMD K5 based CPUs - they were nothing compared with genuine intel. For example, K5 133Mhz was an equivalent of 75Mhz Pentium! The history repeated itselft with K6 - it was nothing compared to Pentium MMX. A pentium MMX 200Mhz was in many cases better then K6 266Mhz. And let's not mention Pentium Pro @200Mhz... Then the first Celerons 300A combined with a BX pro MB - that was a dream combo, much, much, much faster and stabler (even cheaper, when combined with MB) then K6-2 (or 3) @500Mhz.

Then came the first athlon CPUs and for the first time in history did AMD get the performance/price ratio crown with a Duron Spitfire. Intel got it back with a Tualatin celeron a year later and then lost it again to Athlon XP T-bred. Then came the first opteron-based cluster servers that blew away xeons "on the paper", but the companies are still using xeons (it's very hard to change the thing that works good). After that - with the coming of Athlon 64 - the prices of new AMD CPUs are getting near to the ones of Intel CPUs and some CPUs are even more expensive then the intel equivalents - again, for the first time in history. For a short period of time, Venice 64 hold the performance/price cronw, but lost it with the new gen CPUs from Intel. Now, they HAD to lower the prices because they have apsolutely no CPU on the market to compete with Core 2 duo.

As for the cherry on top of this all, let me tell you that the BEST price/performance ration TODAY holds Core 2 duo 4300, a CPU that in many, many cases overclocks from 1.8Ghz stock to 3.6Ghz - a 100% overclock! World record in stock overclocking! As such, it beats the best CPU nowadays - Core 2 Duo x6800. Try and find an AMD CPU in that price range with that performance. You're going to need either N20 cooling system or a few hundred bucks more to get that performance for the price.

Oh and one more thing - in mobile market (laptops) there is no good solution from AMD. The old mobile CPUs from AMD don't even deserve to be mentioned. Modern turions 64 are not that bad, but still much worse then C2D, or even the old Banias/Dothan (centrino -M). I think I shed some light on this subject now.

In the end, may I humbly ask - why are you so blindly narrow-sighted with DAAMIT? Don't get me wrong, I used ATI/NV/3Dfx/Miro cards and Intel/AMD/IBM CPUs, and I allways admired AMD (and still using it), but I admit to facts - it's not that shiny as you show it. As isn't ATI (and I am happily using ATI AIW x800XT/mobility FIRE GL T2)
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Reply #202 - 26.03.07 at 05:40:06
 
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well I already have a 775 mobo(waiting for new E4300)
and Intel has better power/price ratio right now
so I was thinking ASrock CONROEXFIRE-ESATA2 (OMG how expensive are CF MoBos from other manufacturers  Shocked )

You won't make a mistake with that CPU. But please, get a good, stable, overclokable mainboard. Either Asus, Abit or DFI - everything else is garbage when compared. I cannot say that MSI is bad, but it's just as good as Gigabyte and Gigabyte is cheaper Wink Don't take Asrock - it's the daughter company of Asus with its production-line in China (not in Taiwan) and with components of lower quality then original Asus.

With Mainboards should nobody make compromizes: it's the backbone of a system. If MB is strong and stable, you will get the maximum out of all the other components (CPU, Video card, Memory, HDD...).
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Reply #203 - 26.03.07 at 09:18:23
 
Well. ASrock isn't so good(like this K7S8X doesn't want run this 9800pro with 8x agp speed) brand but good to those who doesn't demand so much. but I chose my 775dual-vsta because both AGP and PCI-E support. When it is time to set up a crossfire system I'll buy a motherboard from better brand, because it's better to pay more for better perform.

BTW my big bro' needs a new agp videocard. He doesn't spend much on computers but wants to play new games. He prefer ATI so do you think that X1550 or X1650 is good enough run new games

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Reply #204 - 26.03.07 at 13:14:53
 
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BTW my big bro' needs a new agp videocard. He doesn't spend much on computers but wants to play new games. He prefer ATI so do you think that X1550 or X1650 is good enough run new games

Unfortunately, it is not. It would be smarter to try to get an old x800XT or similar - they are cheap and still powerfull enough to get you going. Either that, or Geforce 7600GT AGP/7900GS AGP - both of them are much better choice then x1650. X1550 is a cripple card, not a gamers card. With it, you might play minesweeper and so, but Crysis, Oblivion or Stalker - no way.
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Reply #205 - 26.03.07 at 16:04:05
 
yeaps got a nice ASUS AX800 XT Platinum Edition AGP 256MB GDDR3 Rev.B 0441 still going strong here! w00t !, how ever a  X1650XT is about 40% faster than a X850 XT PE AGP since it has the much faster GDDR3 memory okay it is 128 Bit do keep in mind that the RV560 VPU has 24 Pixelshader Processors compared to the 16 of the X850 XT PE as X800 XT PE cards.
the RV560 aslo has more Vertex schader power there by having 8 Vertexshader processors compared to the 6 on the X800XT PE as X850 XT PE cards.

Overall a singel X1650XT is faster in DX9.0c apps as a GeForce 7600GT, where as 40% faster than it's older X1600XT brother.

here a nice benchmark of the two Smiley
ATi radeon X1650XT versus nVidia GeForce 7600GT 8)
http://www.techspot.com/review/31-radeon-x1650xt-vs-geforce-7600gt/page2.html

"The new Radeon X1650XT is everything the original X1600XT should have been with performance at least on par, and usually greater than the GeForce 7600GT. The newer more demanding games such as F.E.A.R and X3: Reunion were the X1650XT specialties, as the additional pixel pipelines really came into play in these games. Even the games that are typically biased towards Nvidia, such as Quake 4 and Prey, had a hard time shutting down the X1650XT."
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Reply #206 - 26.03.07 at 16:44:33
 
ati X1650 seems to be ok!

btw this duron-9800pro system runs well Prey. and not all configuration options are at low. and fps is abowe 30 i think Grin
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Reply #207 - 26.03.07 at 16:48:15
 
hmm nice, Prey on a Voodoo 5 6000 shopuld be possible too since it's based on the Doom3 engine Grin
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Reply #208 - 26.03.07 at 16:53:05
 
hmm... even with Voodoo2 SLI Grin , like doom3 was able to run with on v2sli  Cheesy
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Reply #209 - 26.03.07 at 16:59:07
 
yeaps Grin 3dfx still rules overall haha so funny even that CS-Source ran on a Voodoo3 3000 AGP LOL
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