Whaaa Zaaaa , Okay guys and gals, Show me your Voodoo5 6000's!

How many are there actually?

I'd like to know what Rev and PCB date it has and a very nice photo of it

here an example:

3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP 128MB Rev.A2 2600
http://www.3dfx.ch/gallery/albums/album65/PICT0013.jpg

sorry Edmuund for use'n your card in the example ;)

Have fun :) And May the Voodoo5 6000 Be With You All !

LOL, i was wondering... huh.. that picture looks very familiar :)

i hope i can get one of these ladys at the end of year  :-[

How many of these do you guys think can be found in the world today?

wrote on 08.02.05 at 21:11:54:

How many of these do you guys think can be found in the world today?

Well, That's also the meaning of this topic to find out how many.

Yes, but in my opinion it simple.......more we go to the future, and less ithey will be :'(......Nowadays they are in small number....how know if one day i will have enough money to buy one :-/

are we waiting for more cards to be posted?
you know osckhar has a mini collection of V5 6000 owners at his webpage

http://www.voodoo3dfx.com/UntitledFrameset-7.htm

click the link "Propietarios de la Voodoo5 6000"

thats probably only 30% of whats really available around the world

wow very Nice Edmund, that Link, nice Info Osckhar ;)  Well only 30%, So what happened to the other boards? are they still at Quantum3D or were they sold to other unknown people?

hehe also a very nice set this pair of Rev.A 3700's
http://www.voodoo3dfx.com/Propietarios%20V5%206k/Mr-Graphics%20Rev3700A%20web.jpg

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you know osckhar has a mini collection of V5 6000 owners at his webpage http://www.voodoo3dfx.com/UntitledFrameset-7.htm click the link "Propietarios de la Voodoo5 6000" thats probably only 30% of whats really available around the world

Hi to all, ;)
Well, the elink is a little bit OBSOLETE. Actually there are many v6k owner  in the whole world!

Here a little example:
Italaly: +20 v6k
France: 2 v6k
Germany: +15 v6k
Chez Republic: 3 v6k
Rusia: 1 v6k
Holland: 1 v6k
Romania: 1 v6k
USA: +20 v6k
Swiss: 4 v6k
Spain: 2 v6k

Regards,
Oscar

Australia has at least one too (from Elvis)

yes which means the rumor of about 50 cards were made is a lie then.. osckhar just listed close to 80 cards on an estimate.. and it could be way more..

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stralia has at least one too (from Elvis)

You are right Tom! I forgot to thim!  :-[

Regards,
Oscar

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and it could be way more..

I believe that there are more v6k owners.

then come to think about it.. its not that rare after all.
we see it on ebay every once a while..
and Vman / Hank themselves probably still hold a couple of em LOL

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and Vman / Hank themselves probably still hold a couple of em LOL

I don't know if V_Man will have more v6k, but Hank has a nice STOCK! ;)

VMan sold his some time ago now. Patience has it now ;)

Well, V_Man sold his collection to ai5u from USA, and ai5u sold the collection on ebay.

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And Falconfly and Patience bought the collection jointly.

ahhh, why do I even need to guess..
its either falconfly, patience or gary :)  8) ;D

Correct, the ai5u-collection was purchased a year ago by Falc and Patience. There is a topic in the "news"section where you can see that Patience got the final revision and FalconFly got the 2x2.

wrote on 09.02.05 at 00:42:00:

yes which means the rumor of about 50 cards were made is a lie then..

Lie is a strong term, people are easily misinformed if there is no "factual" source to fall back on. At that point stories & fables start to pass from person to person and anything is possible.

There were several hundred 6000's made, I'm not sure of the breakdown or where they are all at now.

I suspect a number of them were sent to a landfill or were simply destroyed when the 3dfx building was cleaned out.

Unique to us, nothing but a lump of dead PCB to a cleaning party.

wrote on 09.02.05 at 01:12:20:

ahhh, why do I even need to guess.. its either falconfly, patience or gary

I was ganged up on and outbid ;-)

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There were several hundred 6000's made

Well im not so sure about that "fact" too. I have heard several different numbers from 50 to 350 but no one can be sure.

The was some sort of auction after 3dfx died I heard, where some of them where sold. But when I started searching for a very specific card it was a lot harder then expected.  

So 50 is a bit to low for sure but  I dont expect there to be a lot more then 200.

Well I wonder what happened to the other 2x2 card I mean there are or thwere were two of them. wierd man. more than 200 quite alot Tom, I mean, there is no trace of those cards, maybe 80 was about the limmit. I'm not sure just speculating ;)

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There were several hundred 6000's made

Well, a good contact told me the following:
Intel revision: 50-100Ud
Hint rev. 2xxx: 50Ud
Hint rev. 3000-3500: 100-200Ud
Hint rev 3700 A/A1 200Ud
Hint rev 3700 A3: Very little samples!

Regards,
Oscar

wrote on 09.02.05 at 01:31:36:

Well, a good contact told me the following: Intel revision: 50-100Ud Hint rev. 2xxx: 50Ud Hint rev. 3000-3500: 100-200Ud Hint rev 3700 A/A1 200Ud Hint rev 3700 A3: Very little samples! Regards, Oscar

Hey Osckhar the Rev.A3 3700 has 5,4 ns ram right? does it opperate at cores / mem 183 Mhz Like the Rev.A3 3400 cards and Rev.A2 2600 cards with 5,4 ns ram?

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Intel revision: 50-100Ud

hehe it was only a matter of time before this would show up  ;) Indeed nice numbers but I can tell you that this one does not  reflect reality for sure. Maybe 50 where made but there sure as hell are no 50 left on this planet  :P

- As for the 2x2, one was send to fotographer and now its in the hands of FalconFly. The second dissapeared after Comdex.

yes it makes more sense if they are referring to a particular revision

wrote on 09.02.05 at 01:22:14:

I was ganged up on and outbid ;-)

too bad you didn't contact me gary,
I would have gladly be on your team.

wow 50 Intel cards is quite something, the Rev AO 0700 cards are funny also, were they so different compared to the Rev.A1 1500, 1700 and 1900 cards?

Oh another thing, this Topic gave me the idea to do as an honor to the Voodoo5 6000 Resource Group People ;) May the Force be With All Of You.

wrote on 09.02.05 at 01:27:05:

Well im not so sure about that "fact" too.

I'm positive since it came right from the horses mouth so to speak. Just the intel revision alone there was 100+ boards made, revision 3 and last revision several hundred were made each.

There was well over a thousand cards made over the whole run, 1400 would not be an optimistic number.

@Obi

Yes the 3700A3 runs at 183mhz. I think basically its a 3400A3 card only with a newer PCB print ;) Like oschar said..very limited.

[offtopic]Ganging up is easy,...splitting up...well::)[/offtopic]

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There was well over a thousand cards made over the whole run, 1400 would not be an optimistic number.

Well in that case, I wont doubt it anymore.  There was a pretty large amount of cards destroyed then. What is your speculation on the amount left?

wrote on 09.02.05 at 01:39:59:

I'm positive since it came right from the horses mouth so to speak. Just the intel revision alone there was 100+ boards made, revision 3 and last revision several hundred were made each. There was well over a thousand cards made over the whole run, 1400 would not be an optimistic number.

oh wow that is still quite alot, and so many of them lost, maybe alot of them destroyed or would they still be lay'n around in the 3dfx base or at Quantum 3D?

then again we may never find those other cards. Hope they will shine up one day, maybe we are missing a type that we don't know of yet, like a Quad chip Daytona with 128Bit DDR, who knows. :-/

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then again we may never find those other cards. Hope they will shine up one day, maybe we are missing a type that we don't know of yet, like a Quad chip Daytona with 128Bit DDR, who knows.

Obi, to dream is free!  ;D

well thanx Osckhar :) but i was think'n in a possitive but rough direction to that, I think there are some wierd things out there.

Well, I sometimes wonder why Q3d didn't use VSA101's instead of VSA100. Because all they would need to do is ask nVidia (which still sells them VSA100's, don't know if they still sell them) for some and build a supercool Aalchemy (and one that uses less power).

wrote on 09.02.05 at 16:39:20:

Well, I sometimes wonder why Q3d didn't use VSA101's instead of VSA100.

Because the VSA-100 was a finished product and there was plenty of chips made and still in stock.

(OFF TOPIC)
Somebody knows if 3Dfx or Q3D did any prototype board utilizing 2 or more VSA-101?

Regards,
Oscar

Thats a negative, those boards where planned but there was not enough time anymore.

Well I offcourse VSA 100 was finished. But the difference between vsa 101 and vsa 100 isn't that big. And I know that Q3d has some smart people working for them that could figure it out. But now it is to late. They are probably selling Geforce 6800 ultra's extreme in SLI configuration.

Most people don't know but it was mentioned that the V5-6000 was slated to be made with VSA-101 chips at some point in the future.

I always that that was odd considering the chips don't have the same pinout but there must be have been some advantage in considering the 101.

Perhaps fanless operation? Better ram prices? Cheaper GPU due to smaller micron die? Less power consumption?

I'm sure cost reduction was the primary goal, it almost always is in business.

wrote on 09.02.05 at 17:44:37:

But the difference between vsa 101 and vsa 100 isn't that big..

Oh just the pinout of the chips and numbers made.

VSA-100 there are piles on hand, 101 was made in limted numbers and there is no performance difference.

Also the VSA-101 supports DDR ram and the VSA-100 doesn't :) AFAIK

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Also the VSA-101 supports DDR ram and the VSA-100 doesn't  AFAIK

Yes, but the problem is the BUS. CHIP VSA-100 works to 128Bits against the 64Bits from CHIP VSA-101. The performance is almost the same being a little more fast the CHIP VSA-100.

wrote on 09.02.05 at 17:58:58:

Also the VSA-101 supports DDR ram and the VSA-100 doesn't :) AFAIK

As we say here in the states- big whoop-de-doo.

VSA-100 = 128 bit SDR ram
VSA-101 = 64 bit DDR ram

The ram information is on my 3dfx triva page and have done benchmarks VSA-100 vs VSA-101.

Clock for clock a *Voodoo 3* is a touch faster then Daytona at the same clock speed and 16 bit color.

V4-4500 vs Daytona is a rout since the 4500 runs at 166 vs my Daytona's 143.

The VSA 101 supports 128 bit  ram. The Voodoo4 4800 uses 128 bit ddr ram ;).

I can double check but according to source DDR 64 bit only with VSA-101, it was a low end part.

okay never knew that so actually VSA-101's only advantage was that it's 0,18 micron and it can operate at high speeds without cooling and it can have a max memory amount of 256MB per chip, or was that the Rampage?

I do mess up sometimes lol  ::)

As far as I know the 128bit DDR Daytona cards were planned but never realised.
My V4-2 4800 has a 64bit memory interface, too.
No speed gain when compared to a regular V4-4500 with 128bit SDR.
I heard rumours that even the VSA-100 should support DDR memory, but that interface was faulty and then deactivated.
Does anyone know whether the VSA-101 could also operate with SDRAM ?

Well Sorry people, than I got the wrong information from someone. Well If the VSA 101 supports Sdram, it would be even more strange that a Aalchemy doesn't use a VSA101.

Well there is one card that does have a VSA-101 and SDram my fellow 3dfx friends, that's this one:

3dfx Voodoo4 4000 AGP 16MB SDRAM 128Bit:
http://www.tweakers.net/ext/f/37934/full.jpg

Umm, how do you know that card has DDR?

wrote on 10.02.05 at 11:09:09:

Well If the VSA 101 supports Sdram, it would be even more strange that a Aalchemy doesn't use a VSA101.

They did not make enough 101 chips so that is not a viable option, they do have to stand behind the cards and replace them if they fail.

Well Q3d has a contract with nVidia concerning VSA100 chips. Q3d can still buy VSA100 chips from nVidia, because they own all the rights.

wrote on 10.02.05 at 14:56:42:

Well Q3d has a contract with nVidia concerning VSA100 chips.

Quantum3d has a licence with 3dfx to manufacture multi chip VSA-100 boards, has nothing to do with Nvidia.


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Q3d can still buy VSA100 chips from nVidia, because they own all the rights.

Do you honestly think Nvidia is still making VSA-100 chips or has any?

wrote on 10.02.05 at 14:56:42:

Well Q3d has a contract with nVidia concerning VSA100 chips. Q3d can still buy VSA100 chips from nVidia, because they own all the rights.

Quantum3D shoukd still  have a  quite good stock of VSA100 chips, so they can still offer Aalchemy systems with VSA100. But i think this stock is not infinitely.

wrote on 10.02.05 at 15:59:12:

Quantum3D shoukd still  have a  quite good stock of VSA100 chips, so they can still offer Aalchemy systems with VSA100. But i think this stock is not infinitely.

Oh I'm sure it isn't an infinite number they have, but then again they are not selling large numbers of AAlchemy AA5 systems either.

They are not in the consumer business, so the numbers sold are far smaller.

wrote on 10.02.05 at 14:36:53:

Umm, how do you know that card has DDR?

Uhm Sir, I didn't say that the 4000 AGP had DDR ;), it is known to my research, that the Voodoo4 4000 AGP is owned by a chech, and I've read some where that this little 4000 AGP has a Daytona based chip, which leads to a VSA-101, but with 16MB SDRAM and Not DDR Ram., I wasn't sure if the card has 64Bit SDRAM or 128Bit SDRAm because the Voodoo4 4000 was a low end card, more for the budget style of people.  I read this some where at 3dfxzone.it.

wrote on 10.02.05 at 17:49:56:

Uhm Sir, I didn't say that the 4000 AGP had DDR

Sorry, that is my mistake, should have said SDR.


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"I've read some where" "I wasn't sure" "I read this some where at 3dfxzone.it"

I read somewhere that less then 20 intel V5-6000's were made and 3dfx was stealing designs from Nvidia which is why they are out of business.

Have to be careful about what you read on webboards. ;-)

On the other hand I have this-

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/daytona/day_pair.jpg

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/3dfx/daytona/day_bios_screenshot.jpg

Hehehe its getting pretty off-topic now. Though this is right up my alley so I wont complain.

What i'd like to know how can you tell if the little 4000 has SD ram and not DDR, because I cant tell the difference between the memory on the little card and the memory on Gary's card.

And how do you guess its in the hands of a chech? I admit the card is displayed on his site but so are many other prototypes an exotic cards. Besides its still the picture of LogicalMadness.

And just to keep the topic where it was meant to be for, here is mine :

http://members.chello.nl/g.bruintjes/v56K_me_small.jpg

Nice PIC and AWESOME CARD!  ;D
@omega_supreme
¿What revsion is your card?  :o

(OFF-TOPIC, the package from Italy came in)   ;)

Regards,
Oscar

wrote on 10.02.05 at 18:46:05:

Nice PIC and AWESOME CARD!  ;D @omega_supreme ¿What revsion is your card?  :o (OFF-TOPIC, the package from Italy came in)   ;) Regards, Oscar

Yeah that's surely a beasty one :) and @ Osckhar very nice, Pics please at Surrimugge's album site ;)

wrote on 09.02.05 at 01:45:44:

oh wow that is still quite alot, and so many of them lost, maybe alot of them destroyed or would they still be lay'n around in the 3dfx base or at Quantum 3D?

From someone "inside" the graphics industry-

"I guarantee that 90% of that equipment not only wound up in a landfill somewhere, but that 3DFX had to PAY someone to haul it away.

All of the GFX companies that I have worked for have paid to have their engineering samples destroyed."

Also of intrest-

http://www.snopes.com/business/market/atari.asp