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Message started by trevormacro on 13.11.11 at 16:09:42

Title: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 13.11.11 at 16:09:42
First modding part :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZAPxMqISag

Second modding part :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07ySeVH8i5Y

Third modding part :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL9AoSL0kQY

Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvvtCIp8cFo


And now Fourth part :


3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz :

----------------------------------------------
Pasted 5 copper pcb in the back of the card.
           +
       Fit the black big heatsink
----------------------------------------------

Pictures :












































Test in 3dmark2001se :

Hardwares :

- Asus p5wdgw ws pro
- Intel E8400
- 4Gb DDR2

Softwares :

- Koolsmoky Betas Drivers
- Windows XP Pro





22º in the room, with not extra fan for the card.
Perhaps with 6 big fan. 3 front and 3 back would help to gain some MHz more!

This Voodoo5 6000 Gold SE is a formula one!

201 MHz passed in 3DMark2001Se

ps. Anyway, I am very happy to see runing my card over 200MHz for benchmarking! It is amazing!


Best Regards,

Trevormacro

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by exxe on 13.11.11 at 16:28:11

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Tim on 13.11.11 at 18:00:35
You've really ruined the card now. The DRAM mod was tasty but this is dreadful.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by ps47 on 13.11.11 at 20:38:24
thirded. this is not the way you should treat the card.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Varus on 14.11.11 at 08:21:35
Hello
I think is this crazy and bad idea for V56k prototype card.

Best Regards,
Lukas

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 14.11.11 at 10:40:23
Since the death of the 3dfx company (11 years), nobody has succeeded to relive Voodoo5 6000 cards.
Let's do something for our Voodoo5 6000 do not disappear completely!
I wonder if someone have a brain !
Everyone buy cards and does nothing with it.
Everybody can do what he want. If I want to buy all cards and keep them all my life it's my decision and respect it.
And its also the decision of each V56K owner if he sell his card or not.
And it is my decision if I want to modify the card with better memory.

Imagine if humans were in extinction.
What would you do ? Nothing ?

Some people have killed their cards, others are losing their cards, keep their cards in a closet.
People use these cards as graphics cards in unlimited series.
Approximately 1000+ test cards were produced in year 2000.
There remains a few hundred cards in 2011 and only a little over sixty works.

All my Voodoo5 6000 cards works perfectly.

I have plans in my head to give a second breath to the famous 3dfx Voodoo5 6000.

----------------------------------------------------

@ps47 :

What are you doing for 3dfx with your Voodoo5 6000 3700A ?

@ exxe :

What is your goal with your collection ?

@ Varus :

Do you have one prototype card ?

@ Tim :

Where I have ruined the card ? Justify it
Now it's a Full working card ! :-) Not dammaged.



Thanks for reading,

Trevormacro

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 14.11.11 at 10:59:32
Do you really think that the air flow will be optimized this way? It's a mess. And stop with this hypotetical human extintion! ;D

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 14.11.11 at 11:09:04
@ Max_R :

With 6 big fans (3 front and 3 back) like that :





Now in modding ... not finished ...

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by ps47 on 14.11.11 at 11:48:43

trevormacro wrote on 14.11.11 at 10:40:23:
@ps47 :

What are you doing for 3dfx with your Voodoo5 6000 3700A ?

I give her a spin once or twice a year,for the sake of old times.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by RaverX on 14.11.11 at 11:56:32

trevormacro wrote on 14.11.11 at 10:40:23:
Everyone buy cards and does nothing with it.


That's because it's a *collector* item, not a normal card. I understand if someone mods/overclocks a GTX590 to get high framerates in games, but V5 6000?

Imagine someone buying a Ford card made in 1910 (an example), then he would start tuning the car: improving the engine, adding new tires and lights, etc.

That's *exactly* what you do with the V5 6000. And you are surprised that people don't like this and consider it a bad thing.

And you're right, it's your card, you can do whatever you like with her. But it doesn't mean that you're doing a good thing.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Backfire on 14.11.11 at 12:32:25
He has no idea about this community. He doesen't understand that anybody - and the 3dfx friends or V56K owners - never will have any benefit of his experiments.

It is only a shame what happen to the cards.  :(

He proofs his own incompetence with this, except in changing some heatsink stuff. And now he ask for some understanding and wonders why most of us haven't.

So Long
- Backfire -

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 14.11.11 at 13:05:35
It's different because of the heatpipes and other details. Weird.
trevormacro wrote on 14.11.11 at 11:09:04:
@ Max_R :

With 6 big fans (3 front and 3 back) like that :





Now in modding ... not finished ...

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 14.11.11 at 13:07:54
@ Backfire, RaverX :

I have a lot of 3700A. This is an Intermediate Project for a day to show you what I can do for this community.
I do not want to see all the Voodoo5 6000 disappear.
I want to save this beautifull card !

If no one can do it, I will do it !

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 14.11.11 at 13:22:56
It's your choice. I respect it.
So you do nothing interesting to save this beautifull card !
The number of V5k6 cards in the world is in free fall ! so sad :(


ps47 wrote on 14.11.11 at 11:48:43:

trevormacro wrote on 14.11.11 at 10:40:23:
@ps47 :

What are you doing for 3dfx with your Voodoo5 6000 3700A ?

I give her a spin once or twice a year,for the sake of old times.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by ps47 on 14.11.11 at 13:28:38
well, my personal opinion is that this is not a card one should mod.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 14.11.11 at 13:30:59
He said this to me too, in private, but without to know that I'm using my card at least one time in a week :) He didn't know us and I think that it's better for him to stop this sad little theatre.

RaverX wrote on 14.11.11 at 11:56:32:

trevormacro wrote on 14.11.11 at 10:40:23:
Everyone buy cards and does nothing with it.


That's because it's a *collector* item, not a normal card. I understand if someone mods/overclocks a GTX590 to get high framerates in games, but V5 6000?

Imagine someone buying a Ford card made in 1910 (an example), then he would start tuning the car: improving the engine, adding new tires and lights, etc.

That's *exactly* what you do with the V5 6000. And you are surprised that people don't like this and consider it a bad thing.

And you're right, it's your card, you can do whatever you like with her. But it doesn't mean that you're doing a good thing.

P.s.
He had ten Voodoo 5 6000 for who doesn't know.
He had accepted very high prices and now we can't be surprised if they are grown up and if we can't find other 6000. He want more!

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by osckhar on 14.11.11 at 13:34:53
Ok, later reading all the posts.

Here another very bad person jointly with trevormacro:



Funny to see how people act according who write the topic.

If this mod is done by Hank Semenec. Everybody would be excited.
If this mod is done by Michel. Everybody act like if he is a V5-6000 assassin.

I remember years ago when Hank modded one V5-6000 card, he changed tsop memory, used big heatsink for memory and vsa and all the people wrote with respect.

I understand you can like or not modding such cards but I think the respect is the most important thing.

I still did not see where the damage is done at the card.


The problems is resolder new TSOP ram or the big black heatsink? :)

Or perhaps the problems is that Trevormacro can buy all V5-6000 s cards he wants?

Agree now is impossible to buy V5-6000s cards because Michel burst the market.

Agree he can try once, 2, 3, 4, 5.... 20 times asking you if are you interested to sell your V5-6000 card.

But later of all those I have seen that everybody have a price and if offer is good people will sell his cards.

- Oscar.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Backfire on 14.11.11 at 13:35:52
It is amazing how insistently he presumes he does something _FOR_ this community.
It is amazing too, how arrant he ignores and skips the opinion of all other, given their comments to it.

He only use this and other forums for his self-expressions and don't recognice, that no one is interrested in.
By the way, all this has nothing got to do with the knowledge about techical experiences for changing some SMD parts. For an technician no special thing. But to understand this - more and other attributes are required than lots of Euros and the knowledge about on which side the soldering iron gets warm.

I feel very bad about this wonderful cards, and what is happening to them.

Shall he do with his cards what he want, but he can't expect, hat someone of the community has any understanding for it.

- Backfire -

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 14.11.11 at 13:37:05
@ all :

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 14.11.11 at 13:39:10

osckhar wrote on 14.11.11 at 13:34:53:
But later of all those I have seen that everybody have a price and if offer is good people will sell his cards.

- Oscar.
Not me. And I'm sad to see that the other 3Dfx lovers can't have their opportunity to have a 6K anymore. He is killing a dream.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Varus on 14.11.11 at 13:48:54

@ Varus :

Do you have one prototype card ?

Yes, i have two prototypes cards and i dont plan to change anithing about them.


Best Regards,
Lukas

PS.
But this is only my private opinion, dont take it personally.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by osckhar on 14.11.11 at 13:54:31

Max_R wrote on 14.11.11 at 13:39:10:

osckhar wrote on 14.11.11 at 13:34:53:
But later of all those I have seen that everybody have a price and if offer is good people will sell his cards.

- Oscar.
Not me. And I'm sad to see that the other 3Dfx lover can't have his opportunity to have a 6K anymore. He is killing a dream.


Agree again now is very difficult to buy a V5-6000 card but so is the market law but is not fair to say he is killing dreams.

Varus purchased a V5-6000s card.

- Oscar.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 14.11.11 at 13:58:13
It's my opinion: the 6Ks are the 3Dfx fan's dream and now there isn't anymore due to prices and availability. So he's killing a dream.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 14.11.11 at 13:59:02
The planet is interested in my projects :

The first french website :

http://www.tt-hardware.com/news/hardware/une-3dfx-voodoo-5-5500-agp-avec-un-core-i7-2600k-et-une-voodoo-5-6000-gold-se-a-200-mhz

The second french website :

http://www.comptoir-hardware.com/actus/cartes-graphiques/15855-insolite-une-voodoo-5-6000-kitee-sur-2600k-.html

Next internationals websites :

http://hwbot.org/newsflash/1465_agp_on_sandy_bridge_its_possible

http://faceit.lt/2011/10/31/3dfx-voodoo-5-5500-core-i7-2600k/

http://www.overclockers.ru/hardnews/44327/Voodoo_5_5500_AGP_v_odnoj_sisteme_s_Intel_Core_i7-2600K_Legko.html

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-19173-view-3Dfx-video-card-under-extreme-condition.html


@ all :
ps. what do you think ?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 14.11.11 at 14:03:21
I think that the overclock that you've done is simple, that the ram replacement is an old project that I wish I hadn't seen in a 6000 and that to use an adaptor is quite dull.
3Dfx was made for gaming and the most important factor in the background is the nostalgia. But you can't understand.

Ah, of course, I don't like the heatsink mod because I think that the airflow isn't optimized.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Backfire on 14.11.11 at 14:10:46
Very nice.
Self-Adulation.  :(

We'll see if the community has some advanteges of it. When he is a so great technician or engineer, a very big thing would be repairing died cards. Than he deserves the respect he is begging for. Than he helps the _community_.

All other is baublery and gambling.

- Backfire -

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by goriath on 14.11.11 at 14:53:13
I will reply to your private message here, since you opened a dedicated thread:


trevormacro wrote on 13.11.11 at 17:10:12:
Hello,

What do you think ? of this project


What I should think?! I think the same things that the fellows above already said.

Adding 1KG heatsink on a very long card making it very dangerous  to use in a vertical case ... ya, it's definitely a good idea, congratz. As if that wasn't enough, it's an awful solution. Oh....and keeping those small fans on that huge heatsink, simply make me laugh. This is what I think, are you satisfied?

You are still continuing contact me and others asking what we think about your *coooool* ideas.

Is it really so important for you to know what (virtual) people think about you?

You are continuing to expose yourself to public opinion, expecting, I dunno, glory? But if people don't like what you do and express their negative opinions, you simply delete their messages, as you did on youtube with your videos, isn't it?

This is a kid's behaviour.


trevormacro wrote on 14.11.11 at 10:40:23:
Since the death of the 3dfx company (11 years), nobody has succeeded to relive Voodoo5 6000 cards....


*Yaawnn...*

Bla bla bla, copy and paste this bullshit here and there as you want.



Quote:
@ps47 :

What are you doing for 3dfx with your Voodoo5 6000 3700A?


ps47 is the keeper of a very old 3dfx support page. I think that this is something can be defined as "for the 3dfx community".


osckhar wrote on 14.11.11 at 13:34:53:
Ok, later reading all the posts.

Here another very bad person jointly with trevormacro:



Funny to see how people act according who write the topic.

If this mod is done by Hank Semenec. Everybody would be excited.
If this mod is done by Michel. Everybody act like if he is a V5-6000 assassin.

I remember years ago when Hank modded one V5-6000 card, he changed tsop memory, used big heatsink for memory and vsa and all the people wrote with respect.


Hi Oscar,

Yes, if Hank Semenec puts his hand on the card, this can be accepted. Why? Because I hate you, so I want to be against every word you say? No. Because the Hank's hand is the 3dfx's hand, simple and plain. You forgot that the PCI rework IS a mod, afterall, but it is done by the man that has created that hardware.

I noticed you re-mod the card that Hank mod at the time. Congratz dude, you ruined another history's piece of post 3dfx era. That card was given to Amigamerlin from Hank Semenec, completely modded by Hank Semenec. Now that card is a card modded by a nobody.

All those like you don't deserve to own such piece of history. Property is property, right, and owners can do what they want, but this doesn't mean they will do the right thing. To be owner of such card imply a great responsibility.


Quote:
Agree he can try once, 2, 3, 4, 5.... 20 times asking you if are you interested to sell your V5-6000 card.


You fill your mouth of words about respect and so on, but the first to be disrespectful was your break buddy.

You are completely wrong, he can't. Because if I told him to stop to bother me and others with emails and spam, about selling the card or whatever, and he continues, then you cannot teach to me what is respect.


Quote:
But later of all those I have seen that everybody have a price and if offer is good people will sell his cards.


This is offensive. Not all people are wheeler dealer like you.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by goriath on 14.11.11 at 14:55:30

trevormacro wrote on 14.11.11 at 13:59:02:
The planet is interested in my projects :

The first french website :

http://www.tt-hardware.com/news/hardware/une-3dfx-voodoo-5-5500-agp-avec-un-core-i7-2600k-et-une-voodoo-5-6000-gold-se-a-200-mhz

The second french website :

http://www.comptoir-hardware.com/actus/cartes-graphiques/15855-insolite-une-voodoo-5-6000-kitee-sur-2600k-.html

Next internationals websites :

http://hwbot.org/newsflash/1465_agp_on_sandy_bridge_its_possible

http://faceit.lt/2011/10/31/3dfx-voodoo-5-5500-core-i7-2600k/

http://www.overclockers.ru/hardnews/44327/Voodoo_5_5500_AGP_v_odnoj_sisteme_s_Intel_Core_i7-2600K_Legko.html

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-19173-view-3Dfx-video-card-under-extreme-condition.html


@ all :
ps. what do you think ?



So this means that since your *project* is on the web, We must automatically like it and adulate you. Hahahha, oh jesus...

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 14.11.11 at 15:00:15
If it's quite dull to find a very good adaptor, try to find an adapter that turns a Voodoo5 faster than the Supermicro adaptor ?


Max_R wrote on 14.11.11 at 14:03:21:
I think that the overclock that you've done is simple, that the ram replacement is an old project that I wish I hadn't seen in a 6000 and that to use an adaptor is quite dull.
3Dfx was made for gaming and the most important factor in the background is the nostalgia. But you can't understand.

Ah, of course, I don't like the heatsink mod because I think that the airflow isn't optimized.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 14.11.11 at 15:05:28
Yes: the system will be unbalanced and it didn't help to play recent games or play better the games that already runs on a common 3Dfx system. Is it just benching? I hate benching.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 14.11.11 at 15:10:32
It does no good to say yes and I have not seen anything from you!
I can play a lot of Glide games with this adaptor + V5500 pci ! like Quake 3
You say anything !


Max_R wrote on 14.11.11 at 15:05:28:
Yes: the system will be unbalanced and it didn't help to play recent games or play better the games that already runs on a common 3Dfx system. Is it just benching? I hate benching.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 14.11.11 at 15:15:18
I can show a background that you simply don't have :D
It's you the envious :)
I've done and still do my job for my passion.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 14.11.11 at 15:18:45
@ Goriath :

If people are rude it's not the same thing.
I do not delete the messages with the critics.
Others do for me as the VA Board with Gold Leader.
The start of this problem is Gold leader ( Special Jalous guy who make problems between people ).

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by goriath on 14.11.11 at 15:28:22

trevormacro wrote on 14.11.11 at 15:18:45:
@ Goriath :

If people are rude it's not the same thing.
I do not delete the messages with the critics.
Others do for me as the VA Board with Gold Leader.
The start of this problem is Gold leader ( Special Jalous guy who make problems between people ).


You must learn that if you are so *brave* to come here, post your own ideas into a public forum, then you must consider that you will receive not only positive feedbacks, but negative too. But you aren't able to accept it, to face it. It seems like you want to impose you and your ideas until other people accept it. This reminds me something like suppression of freedom speech during regimes times.

Please, grew up.

P.S.: Gold Leader is simply your excuse for everything, when there are other people that simply don't think good about you.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 14.11.11 at 15:28:59
You continue to miss the problem. It's not envy, it's that you are buying all the cards and making the prices grow up. There are a lot of others nostalgic that desire to have a 6K, not only you.
10 6K and you want more. For what? Make me the favour to not post again your delirious posts, it's a rhetoric question.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by RaverX on 14.11.11 at 15:40:07

trevormacro wrote on 14.11.11 at 15:10:32:
I can play a lot of Glide games with this adaptor + V5500 pci ! like Quake 3
You say anything !



Quake3 is not a native glide game. I can buy a 8800GT card for less than 50 euro and it will run Q3 in 1920x1080 with 16X aniso and 8X AA at least 3 times faster that your oced V5 6000 can run the game in 1024x768 without any aniso/AA.

Any game that will run only on 3dfx hardware will run fine on a Voodoo3.

Overclocking a V5 6000 is useless, it will only destroy the card. You can add all the cooling that you want, electromigration will still occur if you raise the clock too much.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 14.11.11 at 16:12:04
@ all :

I have a secret project for all 3dfx users.
My Voodoo5 6000 Gold SE is the intermediate project !

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 14.11.11 at 16:16:41
I find difficult to believe that you need over 10 6K for your project. You miss the ethical part, the ideals and the moral of our communities.
You are still in time to revert this painful process.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by osckhar on 14.11.11 at 16:30:20
@goriath,

Your words already show me like you are. So, I will not spend many times with you.

When someone is able to say what you deserve and what you not deserve depending on your thoughts ... bad... Ahhhh, perhaps you are our '3Dfx Judge'.

I only tell you that now I have a card alive again and before I had a dead card. So, thank you so much 'nobody' (like you call him) who reworked again my card because the black heatsink pasted with adhesive thermal damaged 3 or 4 tsop sdram.

- Oscar.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 14.11.11 at 16:39:24
@ Goriath, Max_R, RaverX, Tim, Backfire, exxe, PS47 :

What do you do to increase the number of Voodoo5 6000?
Aside from the repair!

The facts are there: there is a drop in total number of V5k6 on the planet for the last ten years.

Because people like you do nothing to save 3dfx ! so sad ...

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by RaverX on 14.11.11 at 17:12:50
I don't understand what you're trying to say... What do YOU do to increase the number of Voodoo5 6000?

I didn't even knew that you can increase that number, unless you have a factory that can produce them.

As for saving 3dfx, look who's speaking. At least I don't butcher my working 3dfx cards.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 14.11.11 at 17:56:06
Look the bad education of Gold Leader :

http://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18282


goriath wrote on 14.11.11 at 15:28:22:

trevormacro wrote on 14.11.11 at 15:18:45:
@ Goriath :

If people are rude it's not the same thing.
I do not delete the messages with the critics.
Others do for me as the VA Board with Gold Leader.
The start of this problem is Gold leader ( Special Jalous guy who make problems between people ).


You must learn that if you are so *brave* to come here, post your own ideas into a public forum, then you must consider that you will receive not only positive feedbacks, but negative too. But you aren't able to accept it, to face it. It seems like you want to impose you and your ideas until other people accept it. This reminds me something like suppression of freedom speech during regimes times.

Please, grew up.

P.S.: Gold Leader is simply your excuse for everything, when there are other people that simply don't think good about you.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by osckhar on 14.11.11 at 17:57:14
@all,

I think the best for our little big 3Dfx community is stop. In this direction will not help no one.

It is clear some users will be agree to mod his cards others user will not agree. Some people will not like Trevormacro,  me or other user...

But I think is not fair to fight between us. Because we all love 3Dfx cards and his history.

- Oscar.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 14.11.11 at 18:05:25
I agree with you.


osckhar wrote on 14.11.11 at 17:57:14:
@all,

I think the best for our little big 3Dfx community is stop. In this direction will not help no one.

It is clear some users will be agree to mod his cards others user will not agree. Some people will not like Trevormacro,  me or other user...

But I think is not fair to fight between us. Because we all love 3Dfx cards and his history.

- Oscar.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by goriath on 14.11.11 at 19:41:46

osckhar wrote on 14.11.11 at 16:30:20:
@goriath,

Your words already show me like you are. So, I will not spend many times with you.

When someone is able to say what you deserve and what you not deserve depending on your thoughts ... bad... Ahhhh, perhaps you are our '3Dfx Judge'.

I only tell you that now I have a card alive again and before I had a dead card. So, thank you so much 'nobody' (like you call him) who reworked again my card because the black heatsink pasted with adhesive thermal damaged 3 or 4 tsop sdram.

- Oscar.


Sincerely, I don't intend to impress nobody (unlike someone else), even less people like you :)

On the other hand, I got an idea about who you are by years and that is that.

If I was like a 3dfx Judge, well, we would all 3dfx Judges. Since I'm not, you and your buddy must simply understand that if you choose to express your own point view into a PUBLIC arena (which I have nothing against it), someone else could have a different point of view. I have a different point of view, I have my ideas, I express them, but it doesn't mean I expect my self a red carpet (unlike someone else, again). This is the difference ;)

If it was a matter of "dead card" (even if it is true) why didn't you said this from the beginning? Nevertheless, you announced your mod differently.

Don't take it personally. I am the kind of person that simply say what he thinks, without joking, without shadows.

Ciao ciao e tanti saluti.


trevormacro wrote on 14.11.11 at 17:56:06:
Look the bad education of Gold Leader


Again, Gold Leader is only an excuse for you. Do you know what is your (minor) problem? You cares too much about him (and not only him). Why? Probably because he as others people are only a way for you to get deeper and deeper into your real aims. You hunt so called *friendships* only to reach your egocentric goals, but actually you don't care nothing about this or other communities.

Ciao ciao pure a te.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by osckhar on 14.11.11 at 19:53:48
@goriath,

This is the last time I told you. Please, dont talk about me. Is it enough clear for you?

Listen- With my cards I do what I want. Is it enough clear for you?

- Oscar.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 14.11.11 at 19:58:09
@ Goriath :

Gold leader is not only an excuse for me ! It's a real problem !
He creats problems between people.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 14.11.11 at 20:07:41



Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by goriath on 14.11.11 at 20:08:18

osckhar wrote on 14.11.11 at 19:53:48:
@goriath,

This is the last time I told you. Please, dont talk about me. Is it enough clear for you?

Listen- With my cards I do what I want. Is it enough clear for you?

- Oscar.


Hey, it's ok dude. Everyone has expressed their own thoughts. What had to be said, has been said and now is written.

It's over for me.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by osckhar on 14.11.11 at 20:15:33

goriath wrote on 14.11.11 at 20:08:18:

osckhar wrote on 14.11.11 at 19:53:48:
@goriath,

This is the last time I told you. Please, dont talk about me. Is it enough clear for you?

Listen- With my cards I do what I want. Is it enough clear for you?

- Oscar.


Hey, it's ok dude. Everyone has expressed their own thoughts. What had to be said, has been said and now is written.

It's over for me.


Yes, but when you are able to tell me what I deserve or not deserve. You overstep the line and I don't let you.

It is over for me too.

Regards,
Oscar.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by goriath on 14.11.11 at 20:16:17
@trevomacro

This is another point that you won't get. Continuing to post screens about people that express you approval, won't make me change idea, won't make me think that I am wrong. Face it.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 14.11.11 at 21:33:20

trevormacro wrote on 14.11.11 at 16:39:24:
@ Goriath, Max_R, RaverX, Tim, Backfire, exxe, PS47 :

What do you do to increase the number of Voodoo5 6000?
Aside from the repair!

The facts are there: there is a drop in total number of V5k6 on the planet for the last ten years.

Because people like you do nothing to save 3dfx ! so sad ...
I've left the circle but I still use my cards and I have my projects. I don't talk about them and about of my past in the 3Dfx communities 'cause I've nothing to dimonstrate. I've done and still do my part to keep 3Dfx alive in a low profile mode.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by gdonovan on 14.11.11 at 22:04:27
Some people collect, others mod.

Nice to see someone do such work, it is thier card to do as they please.

Gary

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by RaverX on 14.11.11 at 23:54:30

gdonovan wrote on 14.11.11 at 22:04:27:
Some people collect, others mod.

Nice to see someone do such work, it is thier card to do as they please.

Gary


100% true.

But if they mod and they say that by modding they save 3dfx...I find that wrong. Very wrong, if I can say so  ::)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by elfuego on 15.11.11 at 00:38:47
Seriously guys, I just cant believe what I just read on the last 4 pages. What the hell is wrong with you? Modding a V5 6k a MUCH BETTER option then sealing it away in some kind of an acrylic case and hanging it on the wall.

That card may be a prototype, but its still a usable item, and overclocked it even gives better performance. Some say "yeah it will run on V3 too", it will - but much worse. I *know* that NFS4:HS stutters occasionally on V5 5500 on 640x480 with FSAA 4x, whatever drivers and whatever the machine, I tried them all. With 6k I bet it runs smoothly, but overclocked - definitely on 800x600. And its not about benchmarking: its about enjoyment.

And this mod really does bring refreshment to a usually dull and slow 3dfx community of which I'm also a member.

A dead card can just as well serve in an acrylic case as a functioning one, but a good card is infinitely more valuable in a working case, under workload (e.g. games).

...killing history? Killing 3dfx? Wow... Sry guys, but I havent seen a bigger bunch of BS in quite a while. If I had the card, I would have modded it too, equipped it with the best memory and best cooling around and did some BIOS-tweaking. Thinking on this, I would do the same to a 1960 Corvette, Ferrari GTO / Testarossa, or even a good old Porsche 944 turbo. Hell, I'd tweak a Golf 1 GTI too, just as I tweaked my old Abit KT7 (works with a Athlon XP-M@2.4Ghz).

Ah whatever, trevor: GJ mate. Go for it! 8-) Next step: 512 MB overclocked RAM on a V5 6k !

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by goriath on 15.11.11 at 01:25:48

elfuego wrote on 15.11.11 at 00:38:47:
Seriously guys, I just cant believe what I just read on the last 4 pages. What the hell is wrong with you? Modding a V5 6k a MUCH BETTER option then sealing it away in some kind of an acrylic case and hanging it on the wall.


OK, this is your own opinion. It's fine.


Quote:
That card may be a prototype, but its still a usable item, and overclocked it even gives better performance. Some say "yeah it will run on V3 too", it will - but much worse. I *know* that NFS4:HS stutters occasionally on V5 5500 on 640x480 with FSAA 4x, whatever drivers and whatever the machine, I tried them all. With 6k I bet it runs smoothly, but overclocked - definitely on 800x600. And its not about benchmarking: its about enjoyment.


The problem you describe, doesn't make me think at the VGA as the possible stutter's cause. I was used to play that game with my Voodoo5 5500 @1024x768 FSAA 2x with no troubles. Even if it was like you said, to overclock an old card for performance improvements like better frame rates sounds like insignificant in this case. Overclock the CPU instead could be more productive.


Quote:
A dead card can just as well serve in an acrylic case as a functioning one, but a good card is infinitely more valuable in a working case, under workload (e.g. games).


It is exaclty what the most of us do with their cards. If someone prefer to keep the card under the glass for preservation and take it for a ride sometimes because he's a collector, it's fine as well.


Quote:
...killing history? Killing 3dfx? Wow... Sry guys, but I havent seen a bigger bunch of BS in quite a while. If I had the card, I would have modded it too, equipped it with the best memory and best cooling around and did some BIOS-tweaking. Thinking on this, I would do the same to a 1960 Corvette, Ferrari GTO / Testarossa, or even a good old Porsche 944 turbo. Hell, I'd tweak a Golf 1 GTI too, just as I tweaked my old Abit KT7 (works with a Athlon XP-M@2.4Ghz).


Honestly, this thread lasted four pages. Everyone expressed their own opinions, maybe in some strong and crude ways sometimes, but I think that none of us has been really offensive.

Now you come here saying that who disagree with this choice, speaking about something beyond the simple usage of these items, it's a bullshiter? Please, calm down.

You must keep in your mind that who wants really to collect this items, do it because he assign a meaning to them. Personally, I collect these items because except for the fun to test them, to use them, they are plenty of precious infos that otherwise you cannot even know. They can tell you a story, and more items together can tell you about 3dfx itself. This fact, from an hystorical point of view, it's the most intersting part (and fun) of collecting. I am interested in this part, you aren't? Hey, it's ok, but don't call me a bullshiter, thanks. This is simply collecting.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 15.11.11 at 09:12:51
@elfuego, gdonovan :

thanks :-)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Backfire on 15.11.11 at 09:27:03
Hm...

In fact - every owner can do with his stuff what he want to do. This is for sure and nobody can change it.

But what really sucks is, that he publicize it in public forums like a very special work. He connect the card with an adapter. He benched it, he overclock it, he put some other heatsinks on it, replaced memory. Than he botched the fans on the heatsink, ... sorry this all is not the first time that someone did this things. And sorry - that is only plain vanilla. Nothing fancy. Nothing technical impressive and advanced. Only 16% more clock?

And increasing the cards on the planet... what a bullshit. The number of cards is given but the number of runnung cards will be decrease. So the ONLY BIG THING is, to reactivate damaged cards. THAT will be increase the total ammount of runnung cards. But THIS he put aside. Why?

He's a loadmouth, with lack of knowledge about the details to do some very good for all. Particular for fhe community. But no way - only acting like a queens bee.

So let's see if he is of a tough stock. Let's see if he manage a own website with his work. With details to the technical background to increase the number of V56K's. Not only spamming around the forums and some Internet-Magazines with no significnt videos.

Showing good and exacly work with engineering knowledge. All other is to tinker with it.

- Backfire -

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 15.11.11 at 10:21:41

elfuego wrote on 15.11.11 at 00:38:47:
...killing history? Killing 3dfx? Wow... Sry guys, but I havent seen a bigger bunch of BS in quite a while. If I had the card, I would have modded it too, equipped it with the best memory and best cooling around and did some BIOS-tweaking. Thinking on this, I would do the same to a 1960 Corvette, Ferrari GTO / Testarossa, or even a good old Porsche 944 turbo. Hell, I'd tweak a Golf 1 GTI too, just as I tweaked my old Abit KT7 (works with a Athlon XP-M@2.4Ghz).
He's primarily killing a dream, the dream to have a 6K: there are a lot of affectionate that still wait for their opportunity and now, everyday it is most difficult to realize. He did nothing good for the community till now.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by NitroX infinity on 15.11.11 at 11:03:05
Damn, what a bashing party this turned out to be.

Anyway, my thoughts;

1) Trevermarco owning 10 V5 6000 cards and wanting more does not seem like a problem to me. He has the money to buy them and lets us know he has them. I prefer that over those guys who own the Rampage prototypes and seem to keep their mouths shut about it. At least we know where the cards are (who owns them) instead of some unknown person owning them.

2) I do not see the problem with this mod. I assume the heatsinks can be taken off the card again so it doesn't really matter if the heatsinks are ugly. They are only there to cool the chips for overclocking. And lets face it; most of you would jump at the opportunity to see a V5 6000 possibly run benchmarks at 220MHz or higher (dare I say 250MHz even?)

3) If I read between the lines of Trevormarco's posts, I think he's doing this to learn more about the technical aspects of the V5 6000 so he can later on try and repair the dead V5 6000's (Don't ask me how this is going to help him learn, I'm not an engineer). But I could be wrong on that so don't mistake this for a fact.


To make things clear; I have no problem with this mod. But it wouldn't make me happy if this was done with all V5 6000's.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Tim on 15.11.11 at 11:57:04
Trevor, I think it's really sad that you attack me simply for not agreeing with you, I think it does ruin the card aesthetically, even though it's still working. I don't do anything with 6000s, but I am still allowed to give my opinion right?

You went from a hundred "do you have v56k" to backstabbing pm's. Not very nice.


trevormacro wrote on 13.11.11 at 18:15:41:
LOL you are jalous of me DUDE!

You can do anything with your hand !

LOL




trevormacro wrote on 13.11.11 at 18:17:12:
You are Jalous

The card run at 201 MHZ without freeze.


You can do anything with your hands !!!! because you don't have brain


I think a warning is in place.....bit sad really....

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by gdonovan on 15.11.11 at 12:11:33

NitroX infinity wrote on 15.11.11 at 11:03:05:
To make things clear; I have no problem with this mod. But it wouldn't make me happy if this was done with all V5 6000's.


Well that would be rather pointless- Not like modding the board will get you modern day performance levels from the most basic of video adapters!

Trust me, poeple have these discussions in other groups like cars as well. Some people are outraged when someone modifies an old/rare car.

Huh, you get excited someone modifies a card where there is several hundred copies? Try a 1 of 3 cars built that is getting wheeltubs and a rollcage.

yikes.

I do a little modding, I do a little restoring, I see both sides. Not like he is taking the board and sticking into a blender to see if it shreds.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 15.11.11 at 13:16:40

Backfire wrote on 15.11.11 at 09:27:03:
Hm...

In fact - every owner can do with his stuff what he want to do. This is for sure and nobody can change it.

But what really sucks is, that he publicize it in public forums like a very special work. He connect the card with an adapter. He benched it, he overclock it, he put some other heatsinks on it, replaced memory. Than he botched the fans on the heatsink, ... sorry this all is not the first time that someone did this things. And sorry - that is only plain vanilla. Nothing fancy. Nothing technical impressive and advanced. Only 16% more clock?

And increasing the cards on the planet... what a bullshit. The number of cards is given but the number of runnung cards will be decrease. So the ONLY BIG THING is, to reactivate damaged cards. THAT will be increase the total ammount of runnung cards. But THIS he put aside. Why?

He's a loadmouth, with lack of knowledge about the details to do some very good for all. Particular for fhe community. But no way - only acting like a queens bee.

So let's see if he is of a tough stock. Let's see if he manage a own website with his work. With details to the technical background to increase the number of V56K's. Not only spamming around the forums and some Internet-Magazines with no significnt videos.

Showing good and exacly work with engineering knowledge. All other is to tinker with it.

- Backfire -


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I am french.
Sorry for my poor english.
I just start to creat an article.
Beta article in french : in developpment ... :
You can use translator to translate the text.

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Titre : Renaissance et Evolution d'une carte graphique 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 en voie d'exctinction
ou
Expérimentation évolutive d'une carte graphique 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 en voie d'extinction

3dfx, une marque qui rappelle un tas de souvenirs à ceux qui ont connu la société à l'époque : en effet, il s'agit de l’entreprise qui a démocratisé l'accélération 3D sur les PC entre 1995 et 1998.
Imposant coup sur coup ses Voodoo Graphics et Voodoo², la société fit de mauvais choix pour finir par disparaitre en décembre 2000. Onze ans après la fermeture de la société 3dfx, une communauté fan de carte graphique possède encore du matériel qui fonctionne sur des ordinateurs de dernière génération. Les plus chanceux et les plus déterminés d'entre eux possèdent actuellement un ou plusieurs prototypes de ces cartes. Ce sont des objets rares voir même très rares. Les plus acharnés des fans ont réussi à mettre la main sur des prototypes de carte de la firme dont la très célèbre Voodoo5 6000 - un monstre comportant 4 GPU ! Je suis un de ces acharnés et possède la plus grande collection de Voodoo5 6000 en France.


En premier lieu, je vous énumérerai les différents prototypes 3dfx que je possède. Ensuite, nous étudierons dans cet article comment les nouvelles générations de carte mère supportent des cartes graphiques 3dfx qui ont été crées entre 1994 et l'an 2000. Puis, nous analyserons les performances de ces cartes à l’aide de différents benchmarks. Pour finir, nous vous présenterons un nouveau projet qui consiste à modifier un des ces prototypes pour atteindre des limites jamais atteintes.
Bonne lecture

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Sommaire :
Introduction

I   - Le célèbre prototype 3dfx Voodoo5 6000.

II  - Les différentes cartes 3dfx que je possède.

III - Comment les nouvelles générations de carte mère supportent des cartes graphiques 3dfx qui ont été crées entre 1994 et l'an 2000.
IV - Les meilleures performances et les différents records obtenus avec un logiciel de benchmark.
V - Modification d'une Voodoo5 6000 3700A.

Conclusion

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Première partie : INTRODUCTION

3dfx Interactive était une compagnie spécialisée dans la production de cartes graphiques 3D. Elle fut fondée en 1994 par Gordon Campbell, Scott Sellers, Gary Tarolli et Ross Smith, conscients qu'aucune solution d'accélération 3D n'existait et que le marché était énorme. Le vendredi 15 décembre 2000, le rachat de 3dfx par Nvidia pour 120 millions de dollars est annoncé officiellement.
Les différentes gammes de voodoo et leur année de sortie :
      JAMMA Game-Control-Interface (GCI) (1995)
      Voodoo 1 (1996)
      Voodoo Rush (1997)
      Voodoo 2 (1998)
      Voodoo Banshee (1998)
      Voodoo 3 1000, 2000, 3000 et 3500 (1999)
      Velocity 100, 200 (1999)
      Voodoo 4 4500 (2000)
      Voodoo 5 5000, 5500 et 6000 (2000)


La Voodoo5 6000 est l'inédit produit haut de gamme dans la ligne des Voodoo5. Sur une carte, il y a :
- Un port AGP 2x
- 4 processeurs graphiques VSA-100 cadencé à 166 MHz, chacun d'entre eux possèdent 32 Mo de mémoire SDRAM à 166 MHz (chaque sdram possède 8 Mo)
- Une alimentation externe appelé VoodooVolt.
- Une puce HiNT HB1-SE66 PCI-PCI Bridge qui permet de connecter jusqu'à 4 périphériques PCI à 66MHz.
Il y a cinq révisions de la Voodoo5 6000 construitent pendant l'an 2000.
- Intel Revision 1 (model 1000-1900)
- HiNT Revision 2 (model 2000-2900)
- HiNT Revision 3 (model 3000-3500)
- HiNT Revision 4 (model 3600-3700)
- HiNT Revision 5 (model 3900)
Au dos de la carte on peut apercevoir un chiffre important comme par exemple 3700 ( 37 pour la semaine 37, 00 pour l'année 2000).Ce qui veut dire que la carte a été construite pendant la 37ème semaine de l'année 2000. Le cout d'une carte est estimé à 600 USD.

En 2011, on ne trouve plus que 78 exemplaires ( d’après les sources sûr d’un fan de 3dfx ) de Voodoo5 6000 dans le monde entier qui fonctionnent dont :

-0 Revision. 41-4999
-1 Revision.A0 0700
-4 Revisions.A1 1500
-7 Revisions.A2 2600
-6 Revisions.A3 3400
-59 Revisions.A 3700
-1 Revision.A 3900
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Deuxième partie :

Ma collection de Voodoo5 6000 et autres objets :
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/620563Trevormacrocollection.jpg
Je possède la plus grande collection de Voodoo5 6000 en France :
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/8378/screenshot2011081514391.png
http://www27.brinkster.com/trevormacro/voodoo5k6.html

Ma boite Americaine non officielle de la Voodoo5 6000 :
http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/3010/20110526004.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8883/20110526008.jpg
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/3410/20110526006.jpg
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/3537/20110526015.jpg

Ma boite Francaise non officielle de la Voodoo5 6000 :

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/662/20110720003.jpg
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/56/20110720007.jpg

Une comparaison des deux versions :

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3585/20110720004.jpg
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4568/20110720008.jpg


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Troisième partie : Comment les nouvelles générations de carte mère supportent des cartes graphiques 3dfx qui ont été crées entre 1994 et l'an 2000.
En 1999 les cartes mères possèdaient des ports Agp2x. En 2011 les carte mères ont des ports PCIexpress 16x.

Comment faire pour adapter une Voodoo5 6000 (Agp2x) sur un port PCIexpress?

Il nous faut deux adaptateurs :

- Un qui passe du AGP au PCI 32 ou 64 bits
http://www27.brinkster.com/trevormacro/Agp2pcifirst/agp2pcifirste.jpg

- Un qui passe du PCI au PCIexpress
http://www27.brinkster.com/trevormacro/Pcietopcix/pcixtopciea.jpg

Ma Voodoo5 6000 sur un port PCI-X :

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/2699/20110319016.jpg
Une Voodoo5 6000 + Agp2Pci + PCI au PCIexpress :
http://h-3.abload.de/img/_mg_3246o3x4.jpg
Voodoo5 5500 PCI + PCI2PCIe :
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5605/20110512005.jpg

De nos jours une communauté de fans de carte graphique 3dfx développe des pilotes compatible avec les systèmes d’exploitation. Il en existe plusieurs comme les pilotes SFFT, koolsmoky, etc…
Lorsque nous branchons une Voodoo5 5500 pci nous utilisons les pilotes SFFT qui reconnaissent les adaptateurs Pci vers Pci express.
Lorsque nous branchons une Voodoo5 5500 agp ou 6000 agp nous utilisons les pilotes Koolsmoky en version Beta qui reconnaissent l’adaptateur Agp vers Pci.
Depuis peu de temps, les pilotes SFFT 1.7/1.8 reconnaissent l’adaptateur Agp vers Pci.

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Quatrième partie : Les meilleures performances et les différents records obtenus avec un logiciel de benchmark.
Mes différents adaptateurs compatible avec les cartes graphique 3dfx :
Change Agp2Pci :

Chanponzero2Pci :

Chanponzero3Pci :

PCI-E to PCI ( PLX ) :


PCI-E to PCI ( PERICOM ) :


PCI-E x8 to PCI-X ( my project ) :


1er test :
Je me suis procuré un adaptateur PCI-E x8 to PCI-X (référence : RSC-RR1UE-AXL) (133/100/66/33 MHz).
Je possède une carte Voodoo 5 5500 PCI ( version mac flashéé avec un bios pc ).
Une carte mère ancienne : Gigabyte P35 DS4 socket 775
Un processeur Intel Q6600 2,4 Ghz.
4 Go DDR2.
Windows Xp pro Sp3.
Pilote Koolsmoky Beta.
(tout le materiel n'est pas overcloké)

L'adaptateur :




En branchant RSC-RR1UE-AXL sur le port PCI-E 16x avec une rallonge et ma carte v5500 pci sur l'adaptateur voila les resultats :





Sur 3DMARK2001SE le score est de 3457 points.

Conclusion : l'adaptateur marche en 66 mhz grace à la v5500 pci sans la modifier.
nb : cet adaptateur est meilleur que le PCietoPci (Puces PLX et PERICOM)

2ème test :

A 180 mhz, et processeur à 2,4 ghz :



3ème test :

Adaptateur PCI-E 8x to Pci-X : Q6600 à 3,33 Ghz et Voodoo 5500 PCI à 166 Mhz (par defaut) :


Adaptateur PCI-E 8x to Pci-X : Q6600 à 3,33 Ghz et Voodoo 5500 PCI à 185 Mhz :

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4ème test :

Voodoo5 6000 3700A avec l'adaptateur Supermicro + Agp2Pci (66mhz) :
( Pilotes Koolsmoky beta )

Q6600 @ 3,24 Ghz et Voodoo 5 6000 AGP @ 166 Mhz (default) :


Beau score !
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Nouveau materiel pour benchmark :
- une carte mère Asus MAXIMUS IV Extreme conçue pour l'overclocking :


- un processeur Intel Core i7-2600K 8MB L3 Cache jusqu'à 5,3 Ghz ou plus en overcloking (avec son radiateur Noctua NH-D14) :



- 8GB de RAM Gskill PC3 17000 à 2133MHz :



1er test :

PCI-E 8x to PCI-X adaptor :
V5500 pci à 186 mhz.
Processeur Intel Core i7 2600K (3.4 GHz)
Pilotes Koolsmoky betas.
Win Xp pro sp3
3dmark2001se : 4000 points !!!


Resultats finaux :
J'ai testé ma carte graphique 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 PCI ( @ par default 166 mhz ) avec tous mes adaptateurs.
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Materiels utilisés : Maximus 4 Extreme, Intel 2600k @ 3,4 Ghz.
Pilotes : Koolsmoky beta and Sfft 1.7
Système d'exploitation : Windows Xp Pro Sp3
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Resultats 3dmark2001se :
Avec les pilotes Beta Koolsmoky :

- adaptateur Supermicro : 3620 points ( 66 mhz )

- adaptateur Pericom : 3487 points ( 66 mhz )

- adaptateur PLX : 3116 points ( 33 mhz )

Avec les pilotes Sfft 1.7 :

Configuration Sfft : DDI 9 + Tripple Buffer activé

* Adaptateur Supermicro : 3359 points

* Adaptateur Pericom : 3147 points

* Adaptateur PLX : 2899 points


L'adaptateur Supermicro est le meilleur au niveau performance ( PCI-X ). ;)

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Au tour de la 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 AGP ( @ par default 166 mhz ) avec tous les adaptateurs + adaptateur Change Agp2Pci ( modifié @ 66 mhz )

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Materiels utilisés : Maximus 4 Extreme, Intel 2600k @ 3,4 Ghz.
Pilotes : Koolsmoky beta and Sfft 1.7
Système d'exploitation : Windows Xp Pro Sp3
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Resultats 3dmark2001se :

Avec les pilotes Beta Koolsmoky :


- Supermicro : 3625 points ( 66 mhz )

- Pericom : "Ecran noir" ( 66 mhz )

- PLX : 3120 points ( 33 mhz )


Avec les pilotes Sfft 1.7 :

Configuration Sfft : DDI 9 + Tripple Buffer activé

* Supermicro  : 3364 marks ( 66 mhz )

* Pericom : "Ecran noir" ( 66 mhz )

* PLX : 2909 marks ( 33 mhz )

Dans 3dmark2001se, l'adaptateur agp2pci est compatible avec les pilotes Sfft 1.7. Une belle nouveauté !!!
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Ma video en ligne sur Youtube :

PCI-E x8 to PCI-X @66MHz 3Dfx PROJECT :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJCNtkdoDnU


( les drivers sfft 1.7 sont compatibles avec l'adaptateur agp2pci + voodoo 5 5500 agp )

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Cinquième partie :

Mon Nouveau Projet Mondial (première mondiale) : 3dfx Voodoo 5 6000 Gold Second Edition @186 mhz par defaut

J'ai remplacé les 16 mémoires Hyundai 6ns Sdram de ma carte 3dfx Voodoo 5 6000 3700 A (Hank's Rework) par des mémoires EtronTech " EM638325TS-3.5 " 3.5ns sdram 128bit 86pin.
J’ai voulu changer les mémoires Sdram de la carte pour augmenter sa fréquence générale.
En effet par défaut une mémoire sdram sur une Voodoo5 6000 3700A tourne à 166 MHz et peut monter dangereusement en overclockage.
Les Sdram EtronTech 3,5 ns peuvent atteindre 285 MHz au maximum.
Sachant que chaque GPU (processeur graphique) de la carte appelé VSA-100 ( révision 320 ) peut atteindre 220 MHz au maximum.
La fréquence des GPU et des mémoires sdram doit être la meme pour faire fonctionner  la carte graphique.
Il devrait donc être possible d’atteindre les 220 MHz si la carte est bien refroidit.
Le déssoudage et ressoudage des mémoires sdram demande beaucoup d’attention.


Voila le resultat en video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZAPxMqISag

La carte graphique marche parfaitement.

Quelque modifications seront apportées sur la carte avant la fin de l'année 2011.

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En avant première pour la France et la communauté 3dfx :

Mon project 3dfx Voodoo 5 6000 Gold Second Edition @186 mhz ( deuxième partie ) :


-Modification de la résistance R737 pour gagner en fréquence.
La résistance R737 a été ajoutée pour une légère hausse de la tension.
La puce HiNT contrôle la tension de la carte. Au dela de 183 Mhz il faut augmenter le voltage de la carte pour que la fréquence soit stable lors des tests. Nous avons donc enlever cette résistance et augmenter la tension à 3 Volts de la carte.

-Mise en place d'un Radiateur en Aluminium noir ionisé et de taille 21x8x2.5cm.


Ma carte graphique tourne parfaitement.

Je passe le test 3DMark2001se avec succès à 196 Mhz.

Je passe le test Quake3 timedemo 1 avec succés à 199 Mhz.

Voici le Teaser que je viens de réaliser :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07ySeVH8i5Y

( n'hésitez pas à me laisser des commentaires sur youtube )

nb : ma chambre est à 30° et la carte fait tourner des tests à 199 Mhz. Imaginez si ma chambre etait à 15° :-). Tout simplement incroyable ... :-)

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Mon project 3dfx Voodoo 5 6000 Gold Second Edition @186 mhz ( troisième partie )
- 3 enormes ventillateurs sur le radiateur frontal.
- 4 petits radiateurs sur les emplacement des vsa-100 au dos de la carte.


Ma 3dfx Voodoo 5 6000 Gold Second Edition passe le test Quake3 Timedemo1 avec succès à 200 Mhz.


Nouveau montage Video : 3dfx Voodoo 5 6200 ( 6200 = @ 200 Mhz )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL9AoSL0kQY

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Nouvelle Video :

3dfx Voodoo 5 6200 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvvtCIp8cFo


Conclusion
Un jour la société 3dfx a dit : "notre premier but est de franchir les 183 mhz par defaut avec une Voodoo5 6000"
En 2011 ils l'ont eu grace au travail fait sur une de mes revisions 3700A.

Est ce un nouvel espoir pour les ingénieurs de cette société ?

-------------------------------------------------------
It's just the start of my project !
One day, you will see the next one...


Trevormacro ( Michel )

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 15.11.11 at 13:31:33
@ NitroX infinity :

Thanks for these words :-)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by elfuego on 15.11.11 at 13:53:00

trevormacro wrote on 15.11.11 at 09:12:51:
@elfuego, gdonovan :

thanks :-)


Dont thank me, I still didnt forget you trying to rip me off with the adapter you bought for 70$ and trying to sell it for 600 eur...

...But I do give credit where credit is due. And everybody must admit that this thread really bumped up the number of visits to falconfly which is in fact one of the forums that keep the 3dfx alive :)

The biggest truth of it all is, just as gdonovan said:

"Not like he is taking the board and sticking into a blender to see if it shreds."  Now something like this with a V5 6k instead would also bring me in the rage-team:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLreo24WYeQ  8-)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by goriath on 15.11.11 at 14:21:34

gdonovan wrote on 15.11.11 at 12:11:33:

NitroX infinity wrote on 15.11.11 at 11:03:05:
To make things clear; I have no problem with this mod. But it wouldn't make me happy if this was done with all V5 6000's.


Well that would be rather pointless- Not like modding the board will get you modern day performance levels from the most basic of video adapters!


I know that.
You know that.
Everyone knows that.

...except him. This is the awful thing :(


trevormacro wrote on 15.11.11 at 13:16:40:
Conclusion
Un jour la société 3dfx a dit : "notre premier but est de franchir les 183 mhz par defaut avec une Voodoo5 6000"
En 2011 ils l'ont eu grace au travail fait sur une de mes revisions 3700A.

Est ce un nouvel espoir pour les ingénieurs de cette société ?


LoL dude, seriously, you are out of your mind

Best part: 8GB RipJaws DDR3 on Windows XP

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Backfire on 15.11.11 at 14:46:15
...and when it gets displeasing for him, suddenly his english is poor.  ;D

He decieved, spammed, fooled and disgusted quite much people due to his shiftily manner of behaviour. This might be more the problem than modding his card. Cute and easy at the beginning, than stroppy and importunately if he didn't can get what he want.
edit: And impertinent - as you can see his next post below.


He can do what he want, but we can expect he desist taking us for fools. Even via P/M or via forum.
But it my be too much expected of him.

- Backfire -

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 15.11.11 at 14:47:22
@ Goriath :

In real/physiq I have 8 Go of DDR3.
In Windows Xp I have only 4 Go of RAM because WinXp 32 bits doesn't support more than 4 Go I know :)
It's in developpment (beta), You can not read what I write ! Where is your brain ?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 15.11.11 at 15:01:06
Wasted ram anyway. Probably you don't know but better memory for oc and benching has less capacious chips. The 2x2 kit, for example, has a frequency of 2400mhz and cl8 lantency, for a better overclockability. The 2133mhz kit 2x2 has cl7 latency. More isn't necessarily better: oc basis.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by goriath on 15.11.11 at 15:02:15

Backfire wrote on 15.11.11 at 14:46:15:
He decieved, spammed, fooled and disgusted quite much people due to his shiftily manner of behaviour. This might be more the problem than modding his card. Cute and easy at the beginning, than stroppy and importunately if he didn't can get what he want.
edit: And impertinent - as you can see his next post below.


He can do what he want, but we can expect he desist taking us for fools. Even via P/M or via forum.
But it my be too much expected of him.


You got the core of the matter.


trevormacro wrote on 15.11.11 at 14:47:22:
In real I have 8 Go of DDR3.
In Windows Xp I have only 4 Go of RAM because WinXp doesn't support more than 4 Go I know :)
It's in developpment (beta), You can not read what I write ! Where is your brain ?


So, I guess you will make a miracle according to which wou will make XP recognize 8GB of RAM? WoW! Let's see.

I have a brain, into my head, over my shoulders and you should know that (*blink*), since it is the same brain which you asked elementary details about the rams AFTER you (or someone else *blink* again) already put them on your card.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 15.11.11 at 15:12:17
Do you really want impress us this way? I haven't seen the knowlege (or brain, like you say) which you are talking about, yet.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by RaverX on 15.11.11 at 15:35:00
If I would be a moderator here I would close this topic and I would give some warning for flame and injuries (hint: yes, we have a brain). But I'm not a mod  ::)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 15.11.11 at 16:31:01
@ Goriath :

You don't understand !
Impossible to have more than 4 Go in Win Xp x86.
I can't !
I just say : My article is in developpment ! I can make mistakes !

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by gdonovan on 15.11.11 at 22:04:55

Quote:


I know that.
You know that.
Everyone knows that.

...except him. This is the awful thing :(



I guess I should not mention then I had planned on modding a spare Daytona with Hanks help and clocking it at 275+ mhz and extrapolating the data to figure out what a Daytona based V5-6000 would do.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by osckhar on 15.11.11 at 22:51:19
Yeah, many times you talked me about such project. :)

If you still wants to do it. Just, send me the card.

- Oscar.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by gdonovan on 15.11.11 at 23:00:02

osckhar wrote on 15.11.11 at 22:51:19:
Yeah, many times you talked me about such project. :)

If you still wants to do it. Just, send me the card.

- Oscar.


In Germany at the moment.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by osckhar on 15.11.11 at 23:15:22

gdonovan wrote on 15.11.11 at 23:00:02:

osckhar wrote on 15.11.11 at 22:51:19:
Yeah, many times you talked me about such project. :)

If you still wants to do it. Just, send me the card.

- Oscar.


In Germany at the moment.


If one day it comes back at home... You already know Gary.

- Oscar.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by goriath on 15.11.11 at 23:28:50

gdonovan wrote on 15.11.11 at 22:04:55:

Quote:


I know that.
You know that.
Everyone knows that.

...except him. This is the awful thing :(



I guess I should not mention then I had planned on modding a spare Daytona with Hanks help and clocking it at 275+ mhz and extrapolating the data to figure out what a Daytona based V5-6000 would do.


Ya, already know that, but it doesn't sound the same, no? ;)

I mean, to do a mod for testing and inquiries it's a thing, because it's what we are speaking about, a test. Do a mod because this will bring a not so clear *second breathe* (when was already done), it's another thing.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 16.11.11 at 09:12:33
@ gdonovan :

Good new for this daytona.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by razrx on 19.11.11 at 12:42:07
Although I see both sides of the argument, I shudder to think what might have happened to my former V5 6000, had it got modded in this way.

If you are serious about getting the full potential out of your 6000 cards, why would you use air cooling, when there's water cooling, Peltier and liquid nitrogen...   ;)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by osckhar on 19.11.11 at 13:38:27
trevormacro used a 'common' V5-6000 3700A. He not used a virgin 6000  3700A, 3400 A3, 2600 A2 or another rare V5-6000 card. Simply a reworked Hank's card to check if the afirmation from Hank about if 3rd revision silicon, only used on 3700A/3900A rev, is to able to run over 200MHz cooled by air.

Anyway, card has not been damaged or killed. Both heatsink are anchored with screws. He can take out both heatsink easily. They were not pasted with adhesive glue, so on... Anyway I understand people don't like to use a V5-6000 for such dangerous project or simply because the card has more nostalgic value if it is kept in o riginal condition.

For me it is a very attractive project. Perhaps because I love overclock and modding world and of course V5-6000s cards.

Best regards,
Oscar.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by RaverX on 19.11.11 at 15:30:16

osckhar wrote on 19.11.11 at 13:38:27:
trevormacro used a 'common' V5-6000 3700A. He not used a virgin 6000  3700A, 3400 A3, 2600 A2 or another rare V5-6000 card.


No offense, but each V5 6000 card is unique, they are protoype cards, not production cards. There's no "common" V5 6000...

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by osckhar on 19.11.11 at 15:38:31

RaverX wrote on 19.11.11 at 15:30:16:

osckhar wrote on 19.11.11 at 13:38:27:
trevormacro used a 'common' V5-6000 3700A. He not used a virgin 6000  3700A, 3400 A3, 2600 A2 or another rare V5-6000 card.


No offense, but each V5 6000 card is unique, they are protoype cards, not production cards. There's no "common" V5 6000...

Yes, no problem.

Just we have differents points of view.

Best regards,
Oscar.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by gdonovan on 19.11.11 at 16:02:43

RaverX wrote on 19.11.11 at 15:30:16:

osckhar wrote on 19.11.11 at 13:38:27:
trevormacro used a 'common' V5-6000 3700A. He not used a virgin 6000  3700A, 3400 A3, 2600 A2 or another rare V5-6000 card.


No offense, but each V5 6000 card is unique, they are protoype cards, not production cards. There's no "common" V5 6000...


Actually there was several hundred 3700A's churned out, as close to a production board as it gets.

Hank alone had at least 100 if not more and indicated upwards of 700 were produced.

To give you a frame of reference, most prototype boards only see 10 to 20 samples tops.

If I am incorrect, please let me know but to the best that I can recall this is correct information.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by RaverX on 19.11.11 at 18:24:05

gdonovan wrote on 19.11.11 at 16:02:43:

RaverX wrote on 19.11.11 at 15:30:16:

osckhar wrote on 19.11.11 at 13:38:27:
trevormacro used a 'common' V5-6000 3700A. He not used a virgin 6000  3700A, 3400 A3, 2600 A2 or another rare V5-6000 card.


No offense, but each V5 6000 card is unique, they are protoype cards, not production cards. There's no "common" V5 6000...


Actually there was several hundred 3700A's churned out, as close to a production board as it gets.

Hank alone had at least 100 if not more and indicated upwards of 700 were produced.

To give you a frame of reference, most prototype boards only see 10 to 20 samples tops.

If I am incorrect, please let me know but to the best that I can recall this is correct information.


I would be stupid to say that I know this better than you. I'm sure than your information is accurate. One question, to be sure that I understand this: you are saying that 3dfx had a production line set for V5 6000?

I was under the impression that they didn't managed to setup a machine that could mass produce V5 6000 and that they were all "hand made". Of course they weren't soldered by hand, what I'm trying to say is that they require human assistance for each board and that each board was unique, because they never managed to get a fully stable layout and an automated line for mass production.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by gdonovan on 19.11.11 at 18:31:13

RaverX wrote on 19.11.11 at 18:24:05:
I would be stupid to say that I know this better than you. I'm sure than your information is accurate. One question, to be sure that I understand this: you are saying that 3dfx had a production line set for V5 6000?


All I'm stating is that several hundred 3700A were made, how they were made is a question better directed towards Hank.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by gdonovan on 19.11.11 at 18:34:59

RaverX wrote on 19.11.11 at 18:24:05:
I was under the impression that they didn't managed to setup a machine that could mass produce V5 6000 and that they were all "hand made". Of course they weren't soldered by hand, what I'm trying to say is that they require human assistance for each board and that each board was unique, because they never managed to get a fully stable layout and an automated line for mass production.


I will point out with utmost politeness this board-



Clearly the boards could be made in a mass produced manner.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by paulpsomiadis on 20.11.11 at 14:22:00
@RaverX - the only "true" proto boards are the copper boards that are clearly a one-off... ;)

Most other stuff (yup even the V5 6000) were on a prod-line. ::)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by goriath on 20.11.11 at 15:16:26
Copper don't make the prototype ::)

If you want to consider a Voodoo5 6000 as a production card, maybe you should think at the numbers fisrt.

The Aston Martin One-77 is effectively a production car. But they will make only 77 cars for all the world.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 20.11.11 at 15:21:38
Mine is a prototype for sure ;D

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 20.11.11 at 15:32:57
@ Max_R, Goriath :

Max_R : "I have a project since eleven years ago but due to different reasons now is very slow in the growth."

Let's talk about your futur project ?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by rottentreats on 20.11.11 at 15:39:38
Late posting in this thread I know.  I think these projects are very interesting.  Yes similar things have been done in the past, but this is taking it to a new level. (plus, it's always more fun doing something yourself)

Great job trevormacro!   8-)  I look forward to reading on and seeing your projects progress.  This type of stuff reminds me of the old 3dfx days, when people modded things and tried to get as much performance as possible. 


On a side note:
I personally haven't had as much time to have fun with 3dfx in the last several months, being engaged and dealing with work/life is time consuming enough as it is.  I am slowly getting out of 3dfx and collecting. (have been for some time)  I have everything I want in terms of 3dfx items, and intend on keeping my last V6K. (yes the fully functional virgin - http://rottentreats.com/last.jpg)

Which brings me to this topic.  Let me create a scenario, two people want an item, one person is willing to pay more.  Gee, I wonder who the seller would sell the item to... I don't care how much you "love" 3dfx, but I can't think of ANY seller who would turn down an offer that is much higher than another.  To those who cry about Trev buying up all the cards, shut up and save your money and buy one yourself. (if you can find one)  There are many out there, and for the right price are for sale, the trick is to know where to look and who to ask.  Look at me, I could have sold one of my cards to Trev, but instead I sold that one to Varus because I think he is a worthwhile collector who deserved the card.  The others I sold to Trev because no one was near his offer. 

A 3700A is NOT rare, to anyone who says this is simply incorrect.  Three of them have passed through my hands, and I am no one special with no special connections.  I find it funny how no one brought up this "over collector" argument when people like  Omega_Supreme, Gary, or Oscar starting having 6+ V6Ks.  Seriously, for those people who think Trev is destroying the chances of you getting a V6K, first of all grow up, then save up and then buy a card.  Or never find one again and whine more because you didn't buy one when you potentially could have.



Lastly, for those who say a V6K is at tops only worth $800, you literally have a mental condition.  The one person who says that even crumbled to a "v6k black hole" aka Murfisor, when he sold his card for double said "v6k value".  Hypocrite of his own "anti capitalism campaign".  His force must have been weak during those times lol, stronger then ever now :D

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 20.11.11 at 16:01:19
@ Rottentreats :

Thank you for those words.
Nice picture ! :-) LoL

For the last sentance :
I know who you're talking about!

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 20.11.11 at 17:46:05

trevormacro wrote on 20.11.11 at 15:32:57:
@ Max_R, Goriath :

Max_R : "I have a project since eleven years ago but due to different reasons now is very slow in the growth."

Let's talk about your futur project ?
You must wait a little bit more.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 21.11.11 at 02:19:13

rottentreats wrote on 20.11.11 at 15:39:38:
Seriously, for those people who think Trev is destroying the chances of you getting a V6K, first of all grow up, then save up and then buy a card.  Or never find one again and whine more because you didn't buy one when you potentially could have.
Don't say grow up to me: you don't know me nor my reasons. I've my 6K but I think that all this is ethically wrong. 1000€ is not that affordable price and now is triplicated thanks to who has the right amount. Who are you to know our economical potential? You are just another presumptuous.
He has ten 6K but consider that he wants more. Eleven? Twelve? Twenty? How much more? The chance for the most of us is to have one, not ten and not for 3000€.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by rottentreats on 21.11.11 at 03:18:15

Max_R wrote on 21.11.11 at 02:19:13:
Don't say grow up to me: you don't know me nor my reasons. I've my 6K but I think that all this is ethically wrong. 1000€ is not that affordable price and now is triplicated thanks to who has the right amount. Who are you to know our economical potential? You are just another presumptuous.
He has ten 6K but consider that he wants more. Eleven? Twelve? Twenty? How much more? The chance for the most of us is to have one, not ten and not for 3000€.


First of all, I will say whatever I want, to whoever I want. 

Secondly, this has never been about what is affordable or not, it's supply/demand and who is willing to pay the most. Period.  Go find another rare item and tell me how it is any different.  My first 3700A was $2,600 (€1,900) and my two others were $1,900.  (€1,400)  It wasn't easy but I was able to afford these cards.

If you can't find a card, or are willing to pay the price, the term around my neck of the woods is "tough shit."  It would be nice if everyone could get a V6K for a decent price, don't get me wrong, I am all for that. However that is not reality, nor will it ever be again. 

It's rare, and worth more money than some people are willing (or able) to pay.  Sorry to break the bad news.

Anyways, back to the meat of this topic.  Great work on the project again Trev, I look forward to see where this goes.  :)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Max_R on 21.11.11 at 10:54:26

rottentreats wrote on 21.11.11 at 03:18:15:
First of all, I will say whatever I want, to whoever I want.
Except me. I won’t let you talk to me like that.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by gdonovan on 21.11.11 at 11:54:25

Max_R wrote on 21.11.11 at 02:19:13:
1000€ is not that affordable price and now is triplicated thanks to who has the right amount.


Then perhaps you should find another hobby.

You want to know crazy?

I built a Ghostbusters Proton Pack for Halloween- Replicas can sell for $2000-$4000 for a decent one and a original sold for over $15,000 US just 5 years ago.

Mind you a REPLICA that was never used in the movie, been built by someone who had nothing to do with the studio or movie sells with ease for over $2000 without breaking a sweat.


Quote:
Who are you to know our economical potential?


Which is neither here nor there.

Its called supply and demand. If the price is too high, sooner or later those that have the items will reduce the price to move them.

Wishing the price reduced so its at a level you think is fair isn't how it works.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 21.11.11 at 12:10:55
@ Gdonovan :

Nice build Good Work.

Ghostbusters : S.O.S Fantômes ( in french )

:-)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by goriath on 21.11.11 at 14:49:56

gdonovan wrote on 21.11.11 at 11:54:25:
I built a Ghostbusters Proton Pack for Halloween- Replicas can sell for $2000-$4000 for a decent one and a original sold for over $15,000 US just 5 years ago.

Mind you a REPLICA that was never used in the movie, been built by someone who had nothing to do with the studio or movie sells with ease for over $2000 without breaking a sweat.


Ya, but I guess you spent several time to find parts, buy them, build the replica. And time is still money nowadays. If the replica is accurate, I think that will be preferred to those which won't.


rottentreats wrote on 21.11.11 at 03:18:15:
First of all, I will say whatever I want, to whoever I want.


Ya, exactly like him or others here. I think you must calm down, eh.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by gdonovan on 21.11.11 at 15:21:19

Quote:
Ya, but I guess you spent several time to find parts, buy them, build the replica.


Almost everything was sourced from a local hardware store with the most expensive part being an $18 circuit board for the rotating lights.

Time yes I had a few weekends and weeknights invested, parts? Maybe $100-$150 tops.

If you wanted to pay me $2000 for it, I'd be more than happy to take it.

I'm good at building and fixing things, that is a talent of mine.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by goriath on 21.11.11 at 15:38:33

gdonovan wrote on 21.11.11 at 15:21:19:

Quote:
Ya, but I guess you spent several time to find parts, buy them, build the replica.


Almost everything was sourced from a local hardware store with the most expensive part being an $18 circuit board for the rotating lights.

Time yes I had a few weekends and weeknights invested, parts? Maybe $100-$150 tops.

If you wanted to pay me $2000 for it, I'd be more than happy to take it.

I'm good at building and fixing things, that is a talent of mine.


Only because I think that probably for a fan or collector, that proton pack seems to worth the money, it doesn't mean I intend  buy it ;)

But thank you for the thought.

If one day I ever wanted a proton pack, I will try the fun to build one by myself, since it seems I am skilled as well at building/repairing things.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 25.11.11 at 14:13:48
New article : 3dmark2001se :

http://www.tt-hardware.com/news/hardware/record-au-3d-mark-2001-se-avec-une-3dfx-voodoo-5-6000

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 25.11.11 at 14:50:44
@exxe :

Try to beat me :) @190 MHz !

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 01.12.11 at 13:03:05
Hi at all,

The modding continue :











6016 marks in 3dmark2001se :




Finally fans are fitted in the card.

The card runs so well to 200MHz, but for runing over 200MHz, it depends from heat room.

Card worked during some minutes to 203MHz in 3DMark2001se.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 02.12.11 at 02:07:40
Video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wA3tpLBdmo

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 02.12.11 at 18:34:28
3 Bigs Fans on the rear heatsink :



Anchored the card with the heatsink :

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by m14radu on 03.12.11 at 07:29:30
Nice score Michael !

;)

With the 3.5ns memories you should reach 210Mhz ;)

I remember that my V3 3500 with 5.0ns reach 215Mhz easly !

Maybe the next step is to use a Single Stage Phase Cooling.

Keep up the Projekt and good work !

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 03.12.11 at 13:44:23

m14radu wrote on 03.12.11 at 07:29:30:
Nice score Michael !

;)

With the 3.5ns memories you should reach 210Mhz ;)

I remember that my V3 3500 with 5.0ns reach 215Mhz easly !

Maybe the next step is to use a Single Stage Phase Cooling.

Keep up the Projekt and good work !


Thank you Comisarul ;-)





@ All:

I would like to involve all our beautiful community.
I throw the distances between each 3700 A hole of the Voodoo5 6000.
Then start by Air Cooling!
Give me all your ideas for a cool Rev.3700A please with precise patterns (plans).
Thanks in advance

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Kokohemmo on 04.12.11 at 02:50:18
Hi

Very nice moddings you have.

If I was you, and trying the limits of V56K, I would try 4 Peltier elements 40*40,  80 Wats

Also cold plate (alunium is good) needed between chips and peltier...

Peltiers need high capasity PSU, and of course preventing ice behind the card  you need to isolation every chip.
Backside would been in ice and front side VERY hot.

Regards
Kokohemmo.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 04.12.11 at 21:20:50
@Kokohemmo :

Thank you :-)

Bonus :

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 28.12.11 at 18:38:16
New World Record :

3dfx Voodoo5 6000 3700A Gold SE @201 MHz ( 3dmark2001se ) : 

6341 marks

Hardwares : 
-------------------------------------- 
- Asus Maximus 4 Extreme 
- Core i7 2600k @5 GHz 
- 4 Go Gskill DDR3 
- Supermicro Adaptor RSC-RR1UE-AXL 
- Change AGP2PCI modded @66 Mhz 
- 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold SE 
-------------------------------------- 

Softwares : 
-------------------------------------- 
- Windows XP Pro Sp3 
- Koolsmoky betas drivers 
-------------------------------------- 














:-)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by rottentreats on 29.12.11 at 04:59:42
And he does it again! Great run man, keep up the great work!  8-)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by m14radu on 29.12.11 at 07:08:00
Nice results Michael :)
I think that the world record belong to you now !

Did you try to push the card more than 201 Mhz ?
As i saw, Osckhar manage to run his card at 204Mhz.

Also try to change the memory timmings to the agressive settings. This change will bring you more points!

Did you use Arctic silver 5 thermal paste ?

Keep up the good work ;)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 29.12.11 at 22:20:46
@rottentreats :

Thanks Rottentreats :-)

@m14radu :

Yes, when i put 202 MHz the bench freeze. In my room there is a lot of heat.
Osckhar manage to run his card @204 MHz during winter ;)
I will try to grow up my score... :)
Thank you ;)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 02.01.12 at 16:47:47
New World Record :)

6472 marks


Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 02.01.12 at 17:33:35





Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 02.01.12 at 17:50:23
New V5k6 Gold SE Pictures :

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 18.01.12 at 12:11:47
V5k6 GoldSE booting : http://youtu.be/-S7U1r-f0Hc

Front and Back : http://youtu.be/a7lARJdUowc

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 25.01.12 at 11:15:47
In the world :

http://muropaketti.com/retroylikellotusta-voodoo-5-6000-core-i7-2600k

http://www.bodnara.co.kr/bbs/article.html?&D=7&cate=3&d_category=8&num=88319&refresh_cnt=1

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1400140&mpage=1

http://www.purepc.pl/sprzet_pc/karty_graficzne/3dfx_voodoo_5_6000_przetestowane_na_sandy_bridge_5_ghz

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=32897737

http://vga.zenha.net/news/120120119/1130311.shtml

http://www.gamez.com.tw/thread-565092-1-1.html

http://www.ethek.com/rescatando-una-3dfx-voodoo-5-6000/

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7082347

http://www.in4.pl/news_3dfx_Voodoo_wiecznie_%C5%BCywe_dzi%C4%99ki_Trevormacro,24320.htm

http://www.chw.net/foro/noticias-chw-f55/948339-3dfx-voodoo-5-6000-overclockeada-a-201mhz-en-un-core-i7-2600k.html

http://pclab.pl/news48487.html

http://foros.tecnogaming.com/threads/3dfx-voodoo-5-6000-overclockeada-a-201mhz-en-un-core-i7-2600k.4280/

http://oclab.ru/topic/rekord-na-3dfx-voodoo-5-v-3dmark-2001-se

http://www.in4.pl/archiwum.htm?okres=5&od_kiedy=2012-01-21

http://www.noticias3d.com/noticia.asp?idnoticia=49865

http://www.hard-planet.net/foro/f24/3dfx-voodoo-5-6000-overclockeada-201mhz-en-un-core-i7-2600k-6414/

http://www.stalkerteam.pl/topic/3610-voodoo-bije-wlasny-rekord-w-3dmarku/

http://overclocking.ru/hardnews/45451/Overkloking_v_stile_quot_retro_quot_3Dfx_Voodoo_5_i_mirovoj_rekord.html

http://bbs.siluhd.com/thread-621751-1-1.html

http://www.newsyit.pl/legendarna-karta-voodoo-w-parze-z-procesorem-core-i7-2600k-bije-wlasny-rekord-w-3dmarku/

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f14/i7-2600-voodoo-5-6000-deklassiert-geforce-4-mx-867427.html

http://www.67pc.com/thread-197662-1-1.html

http://antistarforce.com/publ/overkloking_v_stile_quot_retro_quot_3dfx_voodoo_5_i_mirovoj_rekord/2-1-0-26218

http://www.expreview.com/18242.html

http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=520457

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 19.04.12 at 19:10:08
Quake3 Benchmarks:

Video:

http://youtu.be/_c4E4xgsWCc

Any reactions? to compare with Geforce 3 and 4...

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Loeschzwerg on 19.04.12 at 20:01:26
Please test the Quake 3 Demo with the following settings:

1280x1024 @ 32Bit
texture/model quality at max
vertex lightning
8x FSAA
OpenGL as API

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 19.04.12 at 23:51:28

Loeschzwerg wrote on 19.04.12 at 20:01:26:
Please test the Quake 3 Demo with the following settings:

1280x1024 @ 32Bit
texture/model quality at max
vertex lightning
8x FSAA
OpenGL as API


Hi,
Not now...
In futur yes...
nb. I have only 1024*768 max resolution in my desktop.
How can i go up?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Loeschzwerg on 23.04.12 at 17:19:01
That's strange, I'm using SFFT 1.9 and I can choose 1280x1024?!

Try editing it manualy in the q3config.cfg:

seta r_mode "-1"
seta r_customwidth "1280"
seta r_customheight "1024"

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by oldskool on 25.04.12 at 00:09:22
Or just set r_mode to 8

seta r_mode "8"

Are you running more than one cpu core ? Can be smoother if you set Q3 affinity to a single processor. It does have smp but it never really worked correctly.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 25.04.12 at 12:17:30

Loeschzwerg wrote on 23.04.12 at 17:19:01:
That's strange, I'm using SFFT 1.9 and I can choose 1280x1024?!

Try editing it manualy in the q3config.cfg:

seta r_mode "-1"
seta r_customwidth "1280"
seta r_customheight "1024"


It doesn't work!
In my Win XP desktop, I ony have 1024*768 for the max resolution.



If in my desktop I could choose more than this resolution it will be nice and it will work with Quake 3 but i can't now :(
I have LG LCD Flatron W1946S-BF.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 25.04.12 at 12:24:57

oldskool wrote on 25.04.12 at 00:09:22:
Or just set r_mode to 8

seta r_mode "8"

Are you running more than one cpu core ? Can be smoother if you set Q3 affinity to a single processor. It does have smp but it never really worked correctly.


seta r_mode "8" put a bad resolution in quake 3!

Yes I put my motherboard by default so more than one cpu core are activated.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Loeschzwerg on 25.04.12 at 13:00:57

trevormacro wrote on 25.04.12 at 12:17:30:

Loeschzwerg wrote on 23.04.12 at 17:19:01:
That's strange, I'm using SFFT 1.9 and I can choose 1280x1024?!

Try editing it manualy in the q3config.cfg:

seta r_mode "-1"
seta r_customwidth "1280"
seta r_customheight "1024"


It doesn't work!
In my Win XP desktop, I ony have 1024*768 for the max resolution.



If in my desktop I could choose more than this resolution it will be nice and it will work with Quake 3 but i can't now :(
I have LG LCD Flatron W1946S-BF.


Ah ok. Hm... this is strange. Something seems to be wrong with the resolution settings the driver provides!? What drivers are you using?

Do the following:
1) download the "3dfx Uninstaller V2.0" --> http://www.falconfly.de/tools.htm
2) uninstall all 3dfx drivers and tools
3) install the latest amigamerlin or sfft drivers

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by gwb on 25.04.12 at 18:01:24
Are you sure your monitor isn't limited to 1024x768?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by goriath on 25.04.12 at 18:55:48
Have you installed your driver's monitor properly?

The video card driver potentially could make available every video settings without the monitor *.inf.

The driver's monitor simply write some registry settings so the video card driver can be aware of the monitor capabilities.


trevormacro wrote on 25.04.12 at 12:24:57:
Yes I put my motherboard by default so more than one cpu core are activated.


That's not enough.

In order to gain a performance boost from your multi-cores CPU you have to enable SMP (Symmetric MultiProccessing) support in Quake3. The SMP command is: r_smp 1
You can set that as usually through the console.

But Quake3 must be launched also in REALTIME PRIORITY mode, otherwise more likely you will get system's lockup.

Do as follow:

1) Create a new shortcut to quake3.exe
2) Goes to the shortcut properties section and write in the target as follow:

cmd /c start /realtime X:\folder\folder\quake3.exe +set r_smp 1

Where X is the letter of the drive where quake3 is installed and folder...folder is the path where the game is isntalled, for example:

cmd /c start /realtime C:\Programmi\Quake III Arena\quake3.exe +set r_smp 1

That will launch automatically the game in realtime priority mode with SMP support enabled.

Since r_smp 1 will be written in the game .cfg file, I suggest you to set the original shortcut to launch the game with SMP support disable in order to start quake3 as normal in the case you need, otherwise whenever you will try to start the game normally AFTER the /realtime priority test, if SMP is still enable, system will freeze:

In the shortcut target: X:\folder\folder\quake3.exe +set r_smp 0

That's the theory. In practise, who knows...

You must be aware that video driver must support SMP in order to run the system properly with SMP command turned ON and I don't think that SFFT driver are made to do that. Quake3 SMP implementation really sucks. There is no assurance it will work. If it will, could not speed up the game as you expect; in the worst scenario could decrease the performance and/or make run the system unstable.

Note that probably you will need to upgrade quake3 to the latest Point Release (1.32/1.32c) in order to benefit of the SMP support. If so you must be aware of:

1) 1.11 version of the game is more likely the best performer. I tried the 1.27g and aftet the upgrade I got worse performance. The 1.32 is better of the 1.27, but not good as the first.

2) If you upgrade the game, forget to play demos 001 and 002. Every new demo that came with the game upgrades is made to run only with the point release from which it came; demo001 and demo002 works with the original 1.11, demo000 and 001 came with 1.16/17....demo four came with 1.27/29/30/31/32 (ya, welcome to the weird world of quake3 development...)

If you upgrade to 1.32c PR, you will be able only to play the new demo called four, so you will lose the element of comparison you tested until now.

My advise is: try SMP if you want with the original game executable (1.11) untouched. If the game will force you to upgrade, forget about SMP.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Loeschzwerg on 25.04.12 at 18:58:25
That's it! I thought its a normal 19" TFT with 5:4, but its a Widescreen 16:9 with a max resolution of 1.366x768 Pixels...

Get a display with at least 1280x960 (4:3) or 1280x1024 (5:4), better with 1600x1200 so you can max out your Voodoo 6000s. Your cards are getting bored ;)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 25.04.12 at 21:19:36

gwb wrote on 25.04.12 at 18:01:24:
Are you sure your monitor isn't limited to 1024x768?


I am sure ;)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 25.04.12 at 21:22:39

goriath wrote on 25.04.12 at 18:55:48:
Have you installed your driver's monitor properly?

The video card driver potentially could make available every video settings without the monitor *.inf.

The driver's monitor simply write some registry settings so the video card driver can be aware of the monitor capabilities.


trevormacro wrote on 25.04.12 at 12:24:57:
Yes I put my motherboard by default so more than one cpu core are activated.


That's not enough.

In order to gain a performance boost from your multi-cores CPU you have to enable SMP (Symmetric MultiProccessing) support in Quake3. The SMP command is: r_smp 1
You can set that as usually through the console.

But Quake3 must be launched also in REALTIME PRIORITY mode, otherwise more likely you will get system's lockup.

Do as follow:

1) Create a new shortcut to quake3.exe
2) Goes to the shortcut properties section and write in the target as follow:

cmd /c start /realtime X:\folder\folder\quake3.exe +set r_smp 1

Where X is the letter of the drive where quake3 is installed and folder...folder is the path where the game is isntalled, for example:

cmd /c start /realtime C:\Programmi\Quake III Arena\quake3.exe +set r_smp 1

That will launch automatically the game in realtime priority mode with SMP support enabled.

Since r_smp 1 will be written in the game .cfg file, I suggest you to set the original shortcut to launch the game with SMP support disable in order to start quake3 as normal in the case you need, otherwise whenever you will try to start the game normally AFTER the /realtime priority test, if SMP is still enable, system will freeze:

In the shortcut target: X:\folder\folder\quake3.exe +set r_smp 0

That's the theory. In practise, who knows...

You must be aware that video driver must support SMP in order to run the system properly with SMP command turned ON and I don't think that SFFT driver are made to do that. Quake3 SMP implementation really sucks. There is no assurance it will work. If it will, could not speed up the game as you expect; in the worst scenario could decrease the performance and/or make run the system unstable.

Note that probably you will need to upgrade quake3 to the latest Point Release (1.32/1.32c) in order to benefit of the SMP support. If so you must be aware of:

1) 1.11 version of the game is more likely the best performer. I tried the 1.27g and aftet the upgrade I got worse performance. The 1.32 is better of the 1.27, but not good as the first.

2) If you upgrade the game, forget to play demos 001 and 002. Every new demo that came with the game upgrades is made to run only with the point release from which it came; demo001 and demo002 works with the original 1.11, demo000 and 001 came with 1.16/17....demo four came with 1.27/29/30/31/32 (ya, welcome to the weird world of quake3 development...)

If you upgrade to 1.32c PR, you will be able only to play the new demo called four, so you will lose the element of comparison you tested until now.

My advise is: try SMP if you want with the original game executable (1.11) untouched. If the game will force you to upgrade, forget about SMP.


I have installed properly my driver's monitor.

I let you know when I will test all your helps.

Thanks for it Goriath ;)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 25.04.12 at 21:32:44

Loeschzwerg wrote on 25.04.12 at 13:00:57:

trevormacro wrote on 25.04.12 at 12:17:30:

Loeschzwerg wrote on 23.04.12 at 17:19:01:
That's strange, I'm using SFFT 1.9 and I can choose 1280x1024?!

Try editing it manualy in the q3config.cfg:

seta r_mode "-1"
seta r_customwidth "1280"
seta r_customheight "1024"


It doesn't work!
In my Win XP desktop, I ony have 1024*768 for the max resolution.



If in my desktop I could choose more than this resolution it will be nice and it will work with Quake 3 but i can't now :(
I have LG LCD Flatron W1946S-BF.


Ah ok. Hm... this is strange. Something seems to be wrong with the resolution settings the driver provides!? What drivers are you using?

Do the following:
1) download the "3dfx Uninstaller V2.0" --> http://www.falconfly.de/tools.htm
2) uninstall all 3dfx drivers and tools
3) install the latest amigamerlin or sfft drivers


I will test and let you know too.
Thanks Loeschzwerg :)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Loeschzwerg on 26.04.12 at 10:50:22
But if it is the LG W1946S-BF you have, the max resolution ist 1366x768, so all resolutions above 1024x768 with a ratio of 4:3 or 5:4 won't work.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by oldskool on 26.04.12 at 11:24:34
I think your monitor doesn't support this resolution

Video
Maximum Resolution 1366 x 768
Maximum Refresh Rate 50 Hz

seta r_mode "-1"
seta r_displayrefresh "50"
seta r_customwidth "1366"
seta r_customheight "768"

Not sure  if that will work !

r_smp as far as I have been reliably informed is broken, so I would leave it default and set Q3 to use a single core.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by goriath on 26.04.12 at 15:56:14

oldskool wrote on 26.04.12 at 11:24:34:
I think your monitor doesn't support this resolution

Video
Maximum Resolution 1366 x 768
Maximum Refresh Rate 50 Hz

seta r_mode "-1"
seta r_displayrefresh "50"
seta r_customwidth "1366"
seta r_customheight "768"

Not sure  if that will work !

r_smp as far as I have been reliably informed is broken, so I would leave it default and set Q3 to use a single core.


If the monitor supports that res or not it's not relevant at the moment since it's the video driver that allows the game to set resolution with the proper timings and 1366x768 it's not present in the inf of whatever 3dfx or 3rd party driver.

He should add the proper string with the right timings in the 3dfxvs.inf, then reinstall the driver. That assuming that the monitor inf isn't hiding the (unsupported) resolution to the vga driver.

AFAIK smp code is still present in quake3. At the time the guys at id soft. had a lot of troubles trying to make it work. Actually smp can work, but absolutely not as it should.

Enabling smp in REALTIME I managed to gain about 1fps at 1024x768 max details w/o FSAA on a system equipped with Pentium4 3.06GHz with Hyper Threading...(I haven't inquired further)

Yes, absolutely ridiculous, but I'm curious to see what is going to happen with a CPU which has no logical cores, but physical cores instead. Probably there won't be any apreciable performance boost at lower resolutions, but with higher ones as  Loeschzwerg suggested ,maybe it could help to preserve frame rate a bit from falling down ;)

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 27.04.12 at 18:39:10
It's time for news tests...

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 27.04.12 at 20:34:16
The Voodoo5 6000 Gold SE on my new Supermicro Motherboard:

Video:

http://youtu.be/4cIxVEkxfzo

Your opinions about these tests?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 03.05.12 at 11:18:32
Hello,

Here Voodoo5k6 Gold SE tests on my new Supermicro Motherboard:

On PCI-X slot:



On PCIepxress slot:



- 3dmark2001se @166 MHz with Koolsmoky drivers on PCI-X:



- 3dmark2001se @166 MHz with Koolsmoky drivers on PCIexpress:



- 3dmark2001se @200 MHz with Koolsmoky drivers on PCI-X:



- 3dmark2001se @200 MHz with Koolsmoky drivers on PCIexpress:



As you can see the card has better results on PCIexpress slot (with two adaptors) than on PCI-X slot (with only one adaptor).

Why?
I don't know...

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by osckhar on 03.05.12 at 13:56:41
Michel,

It could be because IRQ is shared. Check your 6k in the others 2 left pci-x slot.

Regards,
Oscar.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Loeschzwerg on 03.05.12 at 13:57:21
Since it's a rather new mainboard (for Sandy Bridge) it is very likely that PCI (and PCI-X) isn't a native part of the chipset anymore and has to be added via an additional bridge chip. This bridge chip is connected then to a pcie lane. I guess that this bridge chip slows down the timings/speed. I have seen this behavior within all new mainboards that don't feature native PCI/PCI-X support.

You can see this also when using highend raid controllers.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 03.05.12 at 14:37:28
Osckhar:

I will test it in few days...and let you know...

One other question:

As you can see on this picture, WinXP Pro Sp3 32 bits have only 2 Gb DDR3 in use...Why not 3,5 Gb?

nb. I have 2 * 4 Gb DDR3 1600 MHz connected to my Supermicro MB.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by Loeschzwerg on 03.05.12 at 15:06:21
Don't think it's an IRQ problem (see my post before). But you can test this.

Since WinXP 32Bit can't adress more than 2GB for program use it doesn't matter if it shows 2GB or 3,5GB. Maybe PAE (physical adress extension) isn't activated?

You also need to divide all the other memory that needs to be adressed (VGA memory, soundcard and so on) => Win XP can handle max. 4GB.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 04.05.12 at 19:15:37

Loeschzwerg wrote on 19.04.12 at 20:01:26:
Please test the Quake 3 Demo with the following settings:

1280x1024 @ 32Bit
texture/model quality at max
vertex lightning
8x FSAA
OpenGL as API


Voodoo5 6000 Gold SE @199 MHz.

My max resolution is 1024*768!

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 12.05.12 at 11:37:05
Doom 3 playdemo:



- OpenGL32.dll MesaFx 6.2.0.2 with DooM 3

- Comparaison @166 MHz and @199 MHz...

- In console: playdemo activate_demo1.demo

Video:

http://youtu.be/U-RVWtsJqFY

Doom 3 Benchmark:

Pictures:











Video:

@199 MHz,

- In console: timedemo activate_demo1.demo

http://youtu.be/G7ewP6xcTJw

31,6 FPS in fastest mode 800x600.

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 22.06.12 at 14:01:08
Hello everybody,

An idea for the futur!

The Voodoo5 6000 Gold SE will receive an update.



Be patient...

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 11.10.12 at 20:38:26
Hello everybody,

Do you remember the V5k6 GOLD SE with aircooled system?

Who want to see the update?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 13.10.12 at 23:26:19
It's coming...

3,5 ns with watercooling system.

http://youtu.be/gzKFW1Jw-Fc

Good idea to compare with a 6ns card?

Title: Re: 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Gold Second Edition @201 MHz
Post by trevormacro on 19.10.12 at 17:19:39
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